With Todt in power should FOTA start long term plans for a real breakaway ?

not rly

just wait and see, Todt will do fine

The teams are committed until 2012, so plenty of time to plan.

oh come on calm down

muppets

I think the FIA will be ready for them next time. I fear FOTA has missed the boat.

Yup, I thought this was what Monty had in mind when he was quoted the other week saying Ferrari might not be in F1 beyond 2012.

Given that FOTA thought the 2009 version of F1 was 'perfect' that boat they missed must have been the RMS Titanic.

This is why FOTA signing the Concord agreement has screwed everyone. They're locked in.

FOTA are naive bunch of self centerd individuals, how is that going to work?

*head desk*

Have any of you actually looked at the policies both men were looking to introduce? Todt had a whole charter, looking to eparate the Presidency from the actual sport, with policies to reform the stewards, establish a disciplinary committee ad reform the Court of Appeal. He's got a very clear idea of what he wants and what he expects. His policies are sensible and well thought-out. As much as I would have liked him to win, Ari Vatanen was just shouting "CHANGE!" and had no substance - or at least not as much - compared to Todt. His policies were a case of "We'll sit down, and we'll talk. Then we'll take action based on what everyone thinks." Not the best way of doing things.

Management theory states there are two ways to introduce change. One is to do it gradually, introduce and impement new ideas in a constructed, logical order and does not do too much, too quickly. It allows the organisation to adapt and respond and assess those changes. It takes time, but it has a better chance of being accepted. This is the school of thought Todt is hailing from. It will take him time to make those changes, but there's less risk of everything collapsing the and FIA defaulting to its original state with the added problem that it will be less receptive to change. Personally, I think this is the wiser way forward.

The second theory is that you take everything and you change it all at once. This is what Vatanen was proposing. It's high risk, high reward: you an introduce changes quickly, but the problem is that you risk losing everything in one go. It works well in small businesses, but for an organisation as vast and complex as the FIA, the risks outweigh the gains. I think Vatanen could have made it stick, I honestly do. But I think he would just be creating problems - an with it, more work - for himself. He might have had a grasp of what the fans and the public wanted, but the FIA doesn't exist solely for the purposes of Formula One; if it did, Vatanen may have been a better way forward. But the FIA supports almost every international and national form of motorsport in some way, shape or form. Vatanen's proposals just weren't appropriate for the FIA as a whole, even if theymay have been suited to Formula One.

In the end, Jean Todt won because he had a better grasp on the big picture. But I think - and I admit I was wholly expecting this - that too many people are reading too much into Todt's association with and endorsement by Max Mosley.

I was just going to say:

man you type fast

yeah i think so too, by then there will be half a grid of privateers running cosworths, F1's ability to field a rival grid to FOTA would be signifigantly better.

FOTA shouldn't have choked when they had max on the ropes.

Yeah, whn it comes to pressing Ctrl + V, there are none quicker.

I thought it might be appropriate to re-post, for two reasons: 1) I think it's a very valid argument (else I wouldn't have posted it in the first place), and 2) I wholly expect that no-one will take the time to read it - much less reply to it - in the other thread. Hell, I doubt anyone will do that in this one, either.

http://www.teamsassociation.org/press-rele...e-fia-elections

ENOUGHT SAID

lol

I actually read it. Good, sensible and well-thought out post. As SeanValen in his early days would have said; On the edge foruming, EXCELLENT

If FOTA was ever going to break away it would have done it by now. The costs of entry are too great, they are prohibitive. Just setting up the administration would be a massive undertaking of both effort and capital.

Hm, so who will take charge of that then?


He was stymied by the election process. Having to propose a slate of candidates. It could be argued that Vatanen's candidacy was exactly the same as Todt's - act in accordance with the FIA's members' wishes - only that it would be a rebranded, scum-less FIA.

Todt won because Max made sure it was still an unpaid position and that wining entailed ousting the 22 most powerful and embedded cronies in the FIA.

So only Ari took him on, and he wasn't a strong candidate.

Add the threats and bribery, of course.

I think people are giving Todt less credit than he may deserve. He could easily announce Mosley as F1 Commissioner, but that's not to say he'll simply be a puppet for Mosley. The powers of the F1 Commissioner will be nowhere near those of the President of the FIA. Hell, the F1 Commissioner won't even be second-in-command.

As for who I'd like to see as F1 Commissioner ... I actually think Ari Vatanen would be the perfect man for the job.

If the teams get screwed by FIA in future, they deserve it. They've earned it.

Edit:

Having said that, it would be wise for teams to wait for Jean Todt to put on his strap-on before they start squealing. He has not taken any decisions yet and fans are getting suicidal. It is entirely possible that he will show different colors once elected and his earlier posture was only to assure his success. Most politicians change once they take office (look at president Hussein) and rarely do what they promised. Lying and manipulation are almost a necessity to get elected in a democratic system. Todt can be good or bad, give him an opportunity to show his true colors and then start the wailing.

I can't believe people actually thought the breakaway was really going to happen, muc less think it's still an option.

^ It never ceases to amaze me.

What never ceases to amaze you? That somebody disagrees with the general opinion held by the forum?

No. I was agreeing with you.

Ah, okay. See, I was a little uncertain, because as soon as you start giving voice to sentiments that are not particularly anti-Mosley, the hounds tend to set themselves on you, as if their opinion is more valid because more people have it.

Hehe some people like to swim against the current and have an abrasive opinion on everything, just for the heck of it.. that happens as well on forums.

Yeah, but I'm not doing it simply because I can. I actually believe Todt is the better man for the Presidency, just as I believe Button-to-McLaren is not a serious offer, or that the United States shouldn't have a Grand Prix until it can prove it is more worthy than places like Russia and India, that a FOTA breakaway series was never going to happen, or that Button did not simply do the bare minimum to get to the World Championship and actually had to race a vastly-inferior car comapred to the McLarens and Red Bulls. I admit it frustrates me a little bit when people are so extreme in their views that they can't be brought around in a debate because they've already made up their minds (personally, you can persuade me of something I disagree with, but it's not easy ... that said, it cn be done).

Common sense indeed and well put. Unfortunatley most people lack that which is said to be common.
They'd mush rather jump to irrational conclusions. I think Todt will do good.