kimi will certainly be asked that question at the press conference and though im sure we'll hear nothing of any value from him,that sort of relates it to this thread.
maybe u could make more of your trademark insightful pseudo sarcastic posts instead..theyre certainly serve more purpose than the above mentioned post

i wonder if someone asks him about haug's comments..plus alonso and kimi together.i dont think its going to be that comfortable b/w them

Very interesting... but probably no more accurate than the rumour - elevated to fact by a single blog post - that KR is to be paid $50m by Ferrari but only if $20m if he drives for another team or the rumour peddled by the Spanish speaking press that LH has a veto and has used it.

These negotiations are pretty sensitive... I think we are going to have to accept that we just dont know what is going on and as KR often says ... we just have to wait and see.

Can't expect anything revealed at the press conf. Wait and see!

Kimi will say that he hasn´t made any decision yet...

And it really looks like we won´t get any clarification about his future at this weekend.



source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79808

A bit off topic, but it will be nice to see the boxing fight in between Jarno and Adrian that we were left out in Brazil.

We'll see. If Whitmarsh would give as much as a hint that the driver line up has been decided or that the announcement is coming in a few days the press would be all-over them like flies this weekend so he really can't give anything away. At least not before the last race is over.

Man - can it be more obvious what the organisers are trying to do here.. Alonso and Kimi. Gee. And whaddaya know - Sutil and Trulli. Hmm.. Go figure. I dont know if I want to go thumbs up or thumbs down on that one.

From Turun Sanomat:
28 October 2009

"Team principal Whitmarsh is continuing negotiations with Raikkonen. English F1 Racing asks him who of McLaren's drivers would have been his dream team.

– We had Senna-Prost and that didn't work too well. We had Hamilton-Alonso and that didn't work too well either.

– Perharps the best working pairing from our drivers would have been Mika Hakkinen and Kimi Raikkonen. With them it would have worked. Both are straightforward drivers who concentrate on the driving. Special personalities but intelligent and clever and can give all the necessary feedback to their engineers, Whitmarsh says."

http://www.ts.fi/f1/uutiset/84325.html

At Brazil, they put Hamilton and Massa in the presser after Massa had spent the previous few weeks slagging off Hamilton's champion as illegitimate because of Singapore.

i hear some of people on this bb dislaiming this and many other quotes,instead we get he is unmotivated,lazy,unable to give accurate feed back to the engineers.im inclined to believe m.whitmarsh

I would add that when I read the original Finnish version, the first statement seemed like it was TS own opinion, not from F1 Racing or Whitmarsh.

It does seem that they really really want Kimi there. Do I sense a bit of...something towards Hamilton? Maybe it's true he or his father are trying to interfere too much.

i have not read the original finnish,does it mention something about ham/dad,or is it worded in a certain way?

seems like raikkonen is straightforward, clever and intelligent according to mw. and part of a mclaren 'dream team' to boot. high praise indeed.

Like some others, I'm not sure where the lazy and useless with feedback rumours come from either. Because he isn't always making statements about how much he does to help push the team? Because he didn't sit in his car while puddles formed around his feet during a rainstorm? Kimi just does what he's been hired to do – drive – and doesn't pretend to be an extra engineer at the factory. All he needs is to slot in at a team where that's respected.

[quote name='Bouncing Pink Ball' post='3960581' date='Oct 28 2009, 20:23']Like some others, I'm not sure where the lazy and useless with feedback rumours come from either. Because he isn't always making statements about how much he does to help push the team? Because he didn't sit in his car while puddles formed around his feet during a rainstorm? Kimi just does what he's been hired to do – drive – and doesn't pretend to be an extra engineer at the factory. All he needs is to slot in at a team where that's respected.

From journalists "frustrated" with Kimi's attitude towards media.

Well Haug and Whitmarsh plays bad and good cop - one is bashing while other praising.

Yeah.

Personally, Brawn can have Mercedes just as long as McLaren gets to keep Haugie! What a jolly fat man! ;)

No, it's a good translation. The first sentence was just in a different paragraph than the F1 racing bit, that's all. The rest is just my random thoughts on it. Kimi is in Martin's dream pairing, but Lewis isn't and he says he picked the Finns partly because they only concentrate on driving. Maybe it's completely unrelated to Hamilton, but it just made me wonder. It's all we can do when there's no god damn confirmation on Kimi and McLaren

They are all over the paddock I guess because of what Peter Sauber has said about Kimi's lack of interest in the technical aspect of the car.

All over the forum, not all over the paddock where they know better. When he was at Sauber, Kimi could barely speak English and spoke so quietly no one heard him. I'm not saying he is the most talkative guy now, but the change has been dramatic and he is perfectly able to communicate technical matters in English now. In 2001 he was an uneducated boy who had just learned some basic English when he was living with his Formula Renault team manager's family.

You a paddock insider?

as far as I am concerned that has not changed based on Luca and Stefano's comments. I think Mclaren is a different case because they do not demand this much detail from their drivers.. - they just want then to drive the car and the engineers take care of the rest.

Well don't forget MW was talking to Finns at the time. It's not a statement anyone could ever disprove. Also if he had come out now and said Kimi+Lewis is his dream pairing...

Martin has been close to Lewis for a long time, I don't think in reality he'd exclude Lewis from anything. I think he has very fond memories of Kimi too.

Well if I understand correctly he talked to F1 Racing (UK magazine).

Luca - the technical wizard? Right.

So in essence you are saying Whitmarsh lies. It's cool, I don't get your view at all, but stick with that. I say Stefano speaks half-truths because he's again and again forced to answer why they broke Kimi's contract. He has to say something and he can't just say "Luca told me to".

But I know this is futile because your signature tells me all I need to know.

Of course Whitmarsh lies. As the great Dr. Gregory House says, "Everybody Lies."

Remember, Whitmarsh was asked who his ideal driver pairing was, not who his ideal driver was. Those are two completely different things. Mika and Kimi are not only similar personalities, but they're known to get along well. Kimi has a lot of admiration and respect for Mika, who I'm sure was a personal hero of his as he was making his way up through the ranks. Finns, like Brazilians, tend to have a lot of patriotic comradery.

Don't respond - he's poor troll.

no man.. I was just telling the other fellow where the rumor started since he didn't know. Here is the link to the discussion..
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...=92449&st=0
There would always be various sources of information and is up to each individual to form a concept based on what is being said.
I cannot force you to believe what Peter Sauber said nor can you force me to dismiss or create conspiracies out of Ferrari's camp.
The way you formulate your thought is by starting with a given which is true to you no matter what; then you begin to find reasons why anything which contradicts your initial thought could have been said and present that as it was true..

I also value MW comments but I do not dismiss the others - I put all of them together and come up with a conclusion which is what I said earlier.

From what i've read on "teh internets" it is, Lewis, his dad and his step-mum have a veto on the 2nd driver at McLaren and have told Martin that if Kimi gets the seat he's going to go to Force India and turn them into a WCC contender!

(apparently FI do good curries too!)

i also take a broad view,not just 1 person but,the peter sauber comment was in 2001,nearly 9 years ago,(i used to be a lazy sod...not anymore).people change.how does a lazy,unmotivated person drive a 220 mph rocket for 2hrs if he is lazy??

(back on topic)
imo opinion i think kimi wont retire in 2010,i cant believe that he wouldnt have a contract in place for 2010,as he would have known he was going to leave ferrari quite a long time ago...it would be very foolish imo to leave it to late as mclaren may pick someone else,even tho i think vmm would welcome him back ,as he is well liked /remembered from his 2002/2006 stint.

Lazy comments are often bandied around by people who are far removed from the person in question and judge by appearances. Kimi is laid back and a bit of an introvert and this is often hard to swallow by some people within a workplace (or industry such as F1).

I think the recent MW quotes are positive. What better than to have your two favorite drivers who also happen to be among the top 3 drivers in F1, both known quantities, both world champions and both with mass appeal in the same team??? Whitmarsh realizes this - so a Lewis-Kimi team would be quite formidable in his eyes (and indeed to everyone) and once all the clauses are settled, I'd expect such an announcement.

i totally agree gerry(if i may).imo kimi & lewis are the 2 most exciting drivers in f1.the combined fanbase/merchandice would be huge.i like kimis attidude,he does his talking on the track.i hope the announcement comes soon,my nerves are taking a battering.i would even call kimi/lewis partnership
+vmm as the greatest driver pairing for 2010/2011

I'm nervously waiting too!! Unlike the Alonso/Hamilton pairing - with Kimi in the team you wont have the bitterness and dummy spitting behavior that was present back then. Both are champions so the level of respect should be more mutual. They will be close no doubt about it and it wont always be easy - but Mclaren will have their best shot at winning both titles (providing the car is good) as well as finally succeeding in supporting two superstars in the one team.

You don't need to be a paddock insider to say that Kimi could not speak English well in 2001, was an introvert, now he is perfectly able to communicate in English, used to live in his managers' apartment during his Formula Renault days, do you?

May be he is a paddock insider too!

What do you expect Luca and Stefano to say about their outgoing driver? Their own engineers say the opposite. When it comes to technical appraisal, I tend to place more importance on Dyer's words than SD or LdM.

No doubt, thumbs down to both. Bloody suckers, idiots! They fined Trulli explicity stating his public outburst as the reason. Now, the same jokers who fined him pit him against Sutil. Then we have the other two drivers. One was forced out to accomodate the other. What do they do? Put them both side by side. How pleasant! I mean, what kind of sadistic cheap tasteless morons do this? It's one thing to put two drivers involved in an incident like that of Kimi-Webber in Brazil, Massa-Bourdais (Japan 08). But two sets of drivers like this? Classless from a governing body..

It seems like if one driver bites the ear of another driver after the previous race, they would ask them both to come for the next press conference.

There is no way anyone can compare Kimi's rookie season to his latter seasons in terms of communication and language.

In fact a friend of mine drove Kimi and his parents from the airport to a holiday area before the Melbourne GP back in 2001. He confirmed that Kimi didnt speak alot of English.

That pretty much describes Max and his FIA.

do you guys even know what Peter said?.. It had nothing to do with language skills..

Not sure if this is the thread for this --

But I have been following the discussions on the fate of Kimi Raikkonen for the next season.

I have been an avid Ferrari fan since 1996 and became a Michael Schumacher follower the year after. I have gone to three GPs ( two at Monaco) and have been waving the red flag with such fervor ... But during those times he drove for McLaren ( the "hated" enemy by the Ferrari camp then ), I have found myself compelled to cheer for Kimi when he reached the chequered flag ahead of others because of a flawless or very strong race - which is a very rare thing for me to do, when he was representing a very strong competitor of Ferrari!

I do fully understand that Ferrari may have had strong technical or organizational reasons ( but also believe financial considerations came into it - that, I understand, too) - or at least LDM believed so and may have acted in the corporate and the racing team interests -- to replace Raikkonen with Alonso. But I am rather appalled at the way they have treated Kimi, per the public pronouncements of LDM and Stefano Domenicale. Is this the Ferrari way?? Maybe I do not know the team close enough even after being a strong supporter of the team for so long (strong enough that I was one of 15 lucky invitees to the car inauguration in Maranello, part of a group chosen from the Ferrari forum in the earlier part of the 2000's, which I could not go to because my invitation came too late to get an Italian visa then), but I never thought they would treat someone who has brought them a WDC this way. It was kind of humiliating. If they have simply kept their mouths shut...and just made the formal announcements of the driver-switch, then I would not be so appalled.

Would I still cheer for Ferrari! Of course! But I wouldn't be surprised if I also send out a loud cheer for Kimi for winning in whatever team he decides to join in 2010 - even if it was the "hated" McLaren

Historically speaking, yes.

You are the one who wondered that what Sauber said might have led to the general belief in the paddock. Nobody believes that. Rather people picked up from the words "all over the paddock" to "just all over the forums". So, there is no connection taken from Sauber's words leading to general conception in the paddock as you wondered.

So any new link on this Kimi to Mac buzz?

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...p;#entry3960545
An earlier post in the thread in the last 20 hours.

I read my local newspaper TS on breakfast, and the report of MW's positive comments on Kimi brought hope to my desperation, which is growing without the announcement... Pleeease hurry up guys and make the damn deal public.
This is like kid waiting before the Christmas wondering if the Santa will come or not...

well whitmarsh certainly cant stop praising him everytime he speaks.he defended kimi before as well when coulthard spoke out.
im still kind of certain the mac deal will go thru.these comments also strengthen the french nespaper story posted a coupla days back.

on the kimi/technical side story,oh well,its been argued to death already.sauber has been bitter on kimi since he later left them for mclaren..peter commented during the later half of 2011 that ''kimi was seflish and only thinks of himself"...he obviously wanted kimi to stick around for another year..the same bitterness that spilled out when kimi was confirmed with ferrai back in 07.

and just a suggestion...most of u recognize the posters who post here with an anti kimi agenda....the previous 2 threads have been closed for the same reasons..someone just posted a few posts back ''any new updates on the kimi.mac deal''..he obviously couldnt find the whitmarsh comments posted just an hour back in the midst of all the crap thats inhabited this thread.

Exactly. Neither SD nor LdM have ever been engineers.

Kimi is still not the easiest one to get something out him by the press. But looking back to the 2001, that must have been torture for the journous trying to get something understandable out to print Same thing must have been with his engineers at the start...

In finnish Kimi has always been much more vocal of things, but surely his english much more fluent nowadays...