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Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (monaco @ Oct 29 2009, 05:24) *
Not sure if this is the thread for this --

But I have been following the discussions on the fate of Kimi Raikkonen for the next season.

I have been an avid Ferrari fan since 1996 and became a Michael Schumacher follower the year after. I have gone to three GPs ( two at Monaco) and have been waving the red flag with such fervor clap.gif ... But during those times he drove for McLaren ( the "hated" enemy by the Ferrari camp then ;) ), I have found myself compelled to cheer for Kimi when he reached the chequered flag ahead of others because of a flawless or very strong race - which is a very rare thing for me to do, when he was representing a very strong competitor of Ferrari!

I do fully understand that Ferrari may have had strong technical or organizational reasons ( but also believe financial considerations came into it - that, I understand, too) - or at least LDM believed so and may have acted in the corporate and the racing team interests -- to replace Raikkonen with Alonso. But I am rather appalled at the way they have treated Kimi, per the public pronouncements of LDM and Stefano Domenicale. Is this the Ferrari way?? Maybe I do not know the team close enough even after being a strong supporter of the team for so long (strong enough that I was one of 15 lucky invitees to the car inauguration in Maranello, part of a group chosen from the Ferrari forum in the earlier part of the 2000's, which I could not go to because my invitation came too late to get an Italian visa then), but I never thought they would treat someone who has brought them a WDC this way. It was kind of humiliating. If they have simply kept their mouths shut...and just made the formal announcements of the driver-switch, then I would not be so appalled.

Would I still cheer for Ferrari! Of course! But I wouldn't be surprised if I also send out a loud cheer for Kimi for winning in whatever team he decides to join in 2010 - even if it was the "hated" McLaren ;)

Thanks for that. I can tell you that you are far from the only Ferrari supporter who feels this way.
But for all the talk about the family that is Ferrari, there certainly are a lot of examples that shows otherwise. Historically speaking, as senna da silva said. They did fire Alain Prost for instance if I remember correctly. I think when it comes down to it they are just as cynical and calculating as the next team in F1. But the Kimi saga has reached a new low point for them when it comes to driver management.
meat
Don´t worry guys. Mac deal is already done. They will announce it after the season. up.gif
TT6
"McLaren is the only option for Räikkönen", says Räikkönen according to Mtv3. "There's not even discussions with Toyota."

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtm.../2009/10/985468

In quotes Kimi says McLaren is the only option if you want a winning car. The situation should be clear in few days.
hello86
Some good news me thinks cat.gif

QUOTE
Räikkönen: McLaren is my only option
29.10.2009 13:56

Kimi Räikkönen told MTV3 that McLaren is his only option.

- I haven't even discussed with Toyota, Räikkönen assured.

- If you want to drive a winning car then McLaren is the only option. My situation should be clear within a few days, Räikkönen hinted.


courtesy of wolfie
grunge
- I haven't even discussed with Toyota, Räikkönen assured.

the same thing that me and others have been saying for weeks now..
race
QUOTE (TT6 @ Oct 29 2009, 14:07) *
"McLaren is the only option for Räikkönen", says Räikkönen according to Mtv3. "There's not even discussions with Toyota."

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtm.../2009/10/985468

In quotes Kimi says McLaren is the only option if you want a winning car. The situation should be clear in few days.


Finally some news and even good news. Was it the French article that mentioned the contract will be published on Tuesday? Kimi says in a few days so it seems there was indeed a source that knew something. It was just too hard to pick which one of the 100 sources to trust.
Wade
I can smell it.

Cmmon Kimi, if you wanna win, take the money aside and accept that role.
Desdirodeabike
Very good news indeed! Kimi isnt kidding around. This is for real people - get ready for one heck of a season next year. up.gif
Kimi is back where he belongs.
wiry
Yes, good news.
But during press conference he hasn't dismissed the possibility of going to wrc next year...
confused.gif
SpamJet
I have a slightly off topic question which didnt really warrant a new thread ......

Have Kimi and Lewis had the same number of races in open wheel cars now? I know Kimi only had 23 pre F1, where as Lewis featured in many lower series.
grunge
QUOTE (wiry @ Oct 29 2009, 17:16) *
Yes, good news.
But during press conference he hasn't dismissed the possibility of going to wrc next year...
confused.gif

where did u get that?..the official transcript of the PC isnt out as yet on f1.com
Fallout
QUOTE (wiry @ Oct 29 2009, 14:16) *
Yes, good news.
But during press conference he hasn't dismissed the possibility of going to wrc next year...
confused.gif


He doesn't have to. He said that everything should be resolved over the next few days - he never confirmed he was going to drive for McLaren, only that they are the only team he is discussing with and that he will come around with an answer in the next few days. smile.gif
wiry
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 13:19) *
where did u get that?..the official transcript of the PC isnt out as yet on f1.com

here you are...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2009-...997750768_x.htm
denthierry
YEAH BABYEAAAAHH ! up.gif
Gosh i hope this comes true...

It's not all, but a big step.

And if it happens, next "hurdle" will be Hammy. I mean, lot of respect for someone saying that McLaren is where he belongs, but in the past 3 years, lots of things have changed there, team has changed, people change, rules changed... and most of all, the car changed ! It's not cause the Macs back then suited him, that they will still suit him now. Mac spent last 3 years adapting car to mainly Hammy's style and wishes. So even if it's a homecoming, still quite a challenge ahead for him. But since it didn't seem to bother him much when joining Ferrari in 2007, i expect he can do it all over again now!

Damn.... i bet some here will start claiming we're already starting to look for excuses. No guys, i'm not, just assessing the potential hurdles to overcome.

Whatever, i just hope we get a confirmation in the next 4 or 5 days... Would give me "winter testing" testing thread to look for smile.gif
OSX
QUOTE (wiry @ Oct 29 2009, 15:16) *
Yes, good news.
But during press conference he hasn't dismissed the possibility of going to wrc next year...
confused.gif


"As long as it [rally] doesn't disturb what you are doing in Formula One, there is no problem", Raikkonen said.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2009-...997750768_x.htm
the.4th.mask-keteer
Apparently, Kimi noticed his fans are falling apart thus the hint

The French article appeared to be reliable it seems now.
So maybe there will be something huge this Nov 3rd as predicted by them?
grunge
"Its not just Formula One or rally, there are other things I could do, so we will see what happens," he added.

u can see he is giving his trademark ''goingnowhere'' comments again.i dont think anyone other than TS or MTV3 will ever have any proper comments from him
Odvan
QUOTE (the.4th.mask-keteer @ Oct 29 2009, 16:32) *
The French article appeared to be reliable it seems now.
So maybe there will be something huge this Nov 3rd as predicted by them?

Jeez. You don't need to be a genius to figure out that Daimler-Benz negotiations with Mclaren plays a huge role not only in Kimi's possible future but probably couple of one of the biggest-successful teams on the grid. Plus usually announcements happens in the middle of the week.

I might add Mclaren and Kimi want close deal in a more fast way because it's still hold drivers market.
femi
QUOTE (TT6 @ Oct 29 2009, 13:07) *
"McLaren is the only option for Räikkönen", says Räikkönen according to Mtv3. "There's not even discussions with Toyota."

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtm.../2009/10/985468

In quotes Kimi says McLaren is the only option if you want a winning car. The situation should be clear in few days.


Rosberg said he is leaving Williams and the situation should be clear in few days. or something similar
I think Mercedes wants to announce all their drivers line-up for next year in one news release or conference.

I had written that KIMI needs to start making some nice noises about Mclaren if he wanted the drive in light of the Haug's recent statements.
Bouncing Pink Ball
QUOTE (TT6 @ Oct 29 2009, 09:07) *
"McLaren is the only option for Räikkönen", says Räikkönen according to Mtv3. "There's not even discussions with Toyota."

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtm.../2009/10/985468



QUOTE (OSX @ Oct 29 2009, 10:23) *
"As long as it [rally] doesn't disturb what you are doing in Formula One, there is no problem", Raikkonen said.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2009-...997750768_x.htm

Finally, something resembling news from Kimi's side. Now this looks promising. The rally bit (no F1 with part-time/full-time rally or F1 plus a few rally races) must be a part of the hold up, along with salary and sponsorship duties negotiation, on making a final announcement either way.
femi
Haug seems to know how to kick @ss - lol
grunge
well if the announcement is made on tuesday,3rd nov,as the french article said...ill be inclined to believe the article was spot on.
peroa
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 14:56) *
well if the announcement is made on tuesday,3rd nov,as the french article said...ill be inclined to believe the article was spot on.


Maybe everything will be announced.

Drivers, team-relations, etc.
femi
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 14:56) *
well if the announcement is made on tuesday,3rd nov,as the french article said...ill be inclined to believe the article was spot on.


Inclined to believe?
We will all know I guess smile.gif
grunge
QUOTE (femi @ Oct 29 2009, 17:55) *
Haug seems to know how to kick @ss - lol

im not sure thats the case.kimi has mentioned mclaren before as well.
femi
QUOTE (peroa @ Oct 29 2009, 14:58) *
Maybe everything will be announced.

Drivers, team-relations, etc.


It had been written that the big guns at Mercedes, Mclaren and the Abu Dhabi guys are meeting this weekend but I doubt there will be an announcement about Merc - Mclaren relationship, but we'll see...
JamesHunt
Done deal. He will sign for Macca next week and Rosberg for Brawns.
grunge
QUOTE (femi @ Oct 29 2009, 17:58) *
Inclined to believe?
We will all know I guess smile.gif

one thing that even the article doesnt explain are haug's comments.they came right out of the blue.

interesting thing is MW didnt follow suite either as he blatantly praised kimi yesterday.
femi
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 14:59) *
im not sure thats the case.kimi has mentioned mclaren before as well.


Not in such definite terms. He had included them in his opitons...including retirement
femi
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 15:01) *
one thing that even the article doesnt explain are haug's comments.they came right out of the blue.

interesting thing is MW didnt follow suite either as he blatantly praised kimi yesterday.


Haug and MW (Mclaren in general) don't seem to agree on what is released to the Press. Haug had since a year or so been trying to play the boss at least in public.
That must have irked RD I imagine.
Odvan
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 16:56) *
well if the announcement is made on tuesday,3rd nov,as the french article said...ill be inclined to believe the article was spot on.

And if it will be at Wednesday you will believe I'm messiah? wave.gif
femi
Won't be surprised at all if Force India announces HEIKKI as part of their 2010 drivers' line-up before Mclaren / Mercedes'
Odvan
QUOTE (femi @ Oct 29 2009, 17:00) *
It had been written that the big guns at Mercedes, Mclaren and the Abu Dhabi guys are meeting this weekend but I doubt there will be an announcement about Merc - Mclaren relationship, but we'll see...

I think we may hear something about Merc-Brawn and in the end there are two ways for Merc-Mac - we continue/we aren't continue relationship.
grunge
QUOTE (femi @ Oct 29 2009, 18:04) *
Haug and MW (and Mclaren in general) don't seem to agree on what is released to the Press. Haug had since a year or so been trying to play the boss at least in public.
That must have irked RD I imagine.

i said the same thing a few pages back.and i dont remember any disparity of that sort from 2,3 years back.as u mentioned,its the last year or so that has seen haug change his stance that way.
femi
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 15:10) *
i said the same thing a few pages back.and i dont remember any disparity of that sort from 2,3 years back.as u mentioned,its the last year or so that has seen haug change his stance that way.


I suspect and hope the Abu Dhabi meeting will produce some kind of truce between Merc - Mclaren.
I read somewhere that there maybe some concerns about Brawn because of their relative poor performance in the 2nd half of this season. I think Merc. may not want to experience what happend with between BMW and Williams - but we will see.
sleenster
Haug seems to be saying something that does not fit with what KR and MW have been saying again:

QUOTE
Haug, Mercedes' competition director, is quoted as having said this week by Sport Bild: "If there is the possibility of having a good German driver, then we will."


http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...50663&FS=F1
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (sleenster @ Oct 29 2009, 15:19) *
Haug seems to be saying something that does not fit with what KR and MW have been saying again:



http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...50663&FS=F1

What the... confused.gif
F*ck it. I have now officially given up trying to understand this deal. Its frankly beginning to piss me off.
Fallout
So basically Haug is saying that they will sign a german driver if he/she is any good. Kimi reports that he is in talks with McLaren and will have it solved over the next few days. The only conclusion from that must be that Haug considers Heidfeld, Sutil and Rosberg either unavailable or not good enough.

grunge
QUOTE (femi @ Oct 29 2009, 18:15) *
I suspect and hope the Abu Dhabi meeting will produce some kind of truce between Merc - Mclaren.
I read somewhere that there maybe some concerns about Brawn because of their relative poor performance in the 2nd half of this season. I think Merc. may not want to experience what happend with between BMW and Williams - but we will see.

i tend to think the AD meeting will mean the end of the merc/mclaren association.james allen mentioned on his blog as well that haug and company really want to capitalize the current situation where u can possibly run an f1 team for 1/3rd of what it used to be 2,3 years back.they want a more major and controlling hand in an F1 team,something that is far more feasable economically and otherwise at brawn than at mac

JA.. haug is a very important figure in the Mercedes set up and he has a view of the bigger picture of where F1 is heading. He’s excited by the prospect of teams being able to compete in F1 for a third of what it used to cost, or even less. He and his board see this as the right moment and the right opportunity to control their own team.


Bouncing Pink Ball
Reading the article in context, I think Haug's hinting about Rosberg to Brawn. Merc is involved with both teams for next season (as of now, anyway).

OSX
QUOTE (sleenster @ Oct 29 2009, 16:19) *
Haug seems to be saying something that does not fit with what KR and MW have been saying again:

Haug, Mercedes' competition director, is quoted as having said this week by Sport Bild: "If there is the possibility of having a good German driver, then we will."

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...50663&FS=F1


Yes. Nico to Brawn which will soon be owned by Mercedes. Not hardly a secret that one.
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (OSX @ Oct 29 2009, 15:26) *
Yes. Nico to Brawn which will soon be owned by Mercedes. Not hardly a secret that one.

Well, I certainly hope you are right in that conclusion. Makes kinda sense tho.
OSX
QUOTE (Desdirodeabike @ Oct 29 2009, 16:22) *
What the... confused.gif
F*ck it. I have now officially given up trying to understand this deal. Its frankly beginning to piss me off.


You're mixing two different things. Kimi's move to McLaren and Nico's to Brawn. Mercedes powers both McLaren and Brawn which it will soon own.
overmatik
I refuse to believe that the Hamiltons have any say on Mclaren, people fantasise too much. Mclaren is a group, Lewis is an employee and if Mclaren wants Kimi they'll have them.

After all, Lewis commitment with the team changed after the Toyota incident, there were even rumours of Anthony looking for other teams.
femi
QUOTE (OSX @ Oct 29 2009, 15:26) *
Yes. Nico to Brawn which will soon be owned by Mercedes. Not hardly a secret that one.


That's my take on it as well.
sir jackie walker
Haug works for Mercedes-Benz, not (solely) for McLaren... Rosberg > Brawn, anyone?
femi
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 15:25) *
i tend to think the AD meeting will mean the end of the merc/mclaren association.james allen mentioned on his blog as well that haug and company really want to capitalize the current situation where u can possibly run an f1 team for 1/3rd of what it used to be 2,3 years back.they want a more major and controlling hand in an F1 team,something that is far more feasable economically and otherwise at brawn than at mac

JA.. haug is a very important figure in the Mercedes set up and he has a view of the bigger picture of where F1 is heading. He’s excited by the prospect of teams being able to compete in F1 for a third of what it used to cost, or even less. He and his board see this as the right moment and the right opportunity to control their own team.


I read JA response in a Q&A as well, I also read about concerns within the Merc board members - I think this was in the daily Telegraph (I am not sure).
We need to remember that Merc expressed interest in Brawn came during the first half of the season when they were winning everything and the MP-24 was not doing so great and around the "liegate" affair.

Anyway, we will soon find out.
grunge
QUOTE (sleenster @ Oct 29 2009, 18:19) *
Haug seems to be saying something that does not fit with what KR and MW have been saying again:



http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...50663&FS=F1

im certain the article is referring to brawn when he talks about rosberg(german driver).

Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (OSX @ Oct 29 2009, 15:29) *
You're mixing two different things. Kimi's move to McLaren and Nico's to Brawn. Mercedes powers both McLaren and Brawn which it will soon own.

Yesyes. I think you are right smile.gif

But another thing. The french article mentioned that Kimi was looking for guarantees concerning the Mercedes engine. That it will be just as good next year. Do you guys think that he is referring to the changes that are planned to making the field more level engine-wise, to accomodate the new teams with Cosworth engine?

What I read is that the changes will not be made to the Cosworth engine but to the Mercedes engine by dialling it down a bit. Maybe there have been talks about how to deal with this (ridicoulous) change.
sleenster
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 29 2009, 10:37) *
im certain the article is referring to brawn when he talks about rosberg(german driver).


ok good, as long as a German driver doesn't come near Kimi's seat that will be fine with me biggrin.gif
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