QUOTE (Impulse^ @ Nov 18 2009, 10:09) 
Well, in the end, Räikkönen turned out to NOT be a liar..
Ferrari was indeed his last team
Ferrari was indeed his last team
Thank god for that. At least Kimi had the balls to stick to his word.
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Thank god for that. At least Kimi had the balls to stick to his word.
QUOTE (Verderer @ Nov 18 2009, 08:51)
Well, I guess there goes the only reason for me to pay for seeing F1 live, and waking up at unearthly hours to watch the circus... can't say I am that keen on seeing Kimi in WRC, frankly I don't think much of it, especially these days. It's just boring to me, no wheel to wheel racing, just two (or one really) person winning the races and WC year after year...it's not what it used to be, and I think it is unlikely to improve.
I just feel it is such a waste of talent, to me he never had a perfect season in F1 or showed his true mettle. Even if he's had a fantastic career in F1 and won the WC, I feel he's been so unlucky to drive for Macca when the cars were shit, and for Ferrari when both the team AND the car were shit.
Well, it was fun while it lasted. I don't for a minute think that the Kimster will return to F1. Once you're out, you're out for good. People forget you so quickly. I'd be delighted if he made a come-back, but I fear the odds are heavily against it. I just wish he'd stuck with it, and compromised his demands. But he didn't, so it appears F1 is really not the most important thing in life for him, and that's just fine. If that is the case, maybe his place really isn't with F1 anymore.
I just feel it is such a waste of talent, to me he never had a perfect season in F1 or showed his true mettle. Even if he's had a fantastic career in F1 and won the WC, I feel he's been so unlucky to drive for Macca when the cars were shit, and for Ferrari when both the team AND the car were shit.
Well, it was fun while it lasted. I don't for a minute think that the Kimster will return to F1. Once you're out, you're out for good. People forget you so quickly. I'd be delighted if he made a come-back, but I fear the odds are heavily against it. I just wish he'd stuck with it, and compromised his demands. But he didn't, so it appears F1 is really not the most important thing in life for him, and that's just fine. If that is the case, maybe his place really isn't with F1 anymore.
Top post!
Slightly better (I hope!) translation of those Robertson quotes:
"They [McLaren] were not against Kimi participating in a couple of rallies. Obviously it wouldn't have been possible to take part in very many. I've read many stories where that's held as the main reason [things didn't work out] but that wasn't the case."
"It's not just one reason. We didn't reach an agreement on certain things so we felt it was not the right arrangement for Kimi."
"We made it clear that if we can't move forward with McLaren, he won't drive in F1 next year. Negotiations went bust and the final decision was made on Tuesday."
"Up until yesterday, continuing in F1 was our first choice. Now is the time to sit down with Kimi and discuss what he wants to do. Participating in WRC would requires that he gets a competitive car, too."
"We knew what the plan was. He [Kimi] knew all the possible obstacles there were for an agreement. I'm sure he feels sad in some way. Like I've said, this doesn't mean F1 is a thing of the past for him. He will return in 2011 if we find the right place for him."
"Kimi doesn't want to be in F1 just for the joy of participating. He's too good for that [For the love of doG, Steve!!! - kismet]. He's still eager to drive if he can find a team that gives him a chance to win the championship."
Is it just me or do those quotes have a weird vibe to them? It's like there never was any plan B but no one cares, except maybe Kimi. What am I missing?
"They [McLaren] were not against Kimi participating in a couple of rallies. Obviously it wouldn't have been possible to take part in very many. I've read many stories where that's held as the main reason [things didn't work out] but that wasn't the case."
"It's not just one reason. We didn't reach an agreement on certain things so we felt it was not the right arrangement for Kimi."
"We made it clear that if we can't move forward with McLaren, he won't drive in F1 next year. Negotiations went bust and the final decision was made on Tuesday."
"Up until yesterday, continuing in F1 was our first choice. Now is the time to sit down with Kimi and discuss what he wants to do. Participating in WRC would requires that he gets a competitive car, too."
"We knew what the plan was. He [Kimi] knew all the possible obstacles there were for an agreement. I'm sure he feels sad in some way. Like I've said, this doesn't mean F1 is a thing of the past for him. He will return in 2011 if we find the right place for him."
"Kimi doesn't want to be in F1 just for the joy of participating. He's too good for that [For the love of doG, Steve!!! - kismet]. He's still eager to drive if he can find a team that gives him a chance to win the championship."
Is it just me or do those quotes have a weird vibe to them? It's like there never was any plan B but no one cares, except maybe Kimi. What am I missing?
QUOTE (AndyW35 @ Nov 18 2009, 10:17)
Why doesn't he go to Brawn?
Well even Jenson doesn't want to stay there and prefer to be LH lapdog for next couple of years instead.
Cant believe it, gutted, Kimi out is F1 loss
Having just read an article on James Allen's website I'm beginning to look at this differently. It seems Kimi's problem was mainly caused by Ferrari and the contractual position that he was in as part of the severance deal.
James notes that he would have been paid 17m to see out 2010 season without a drive or 10m if he went to another team. Now given that his full year salary was 34m it now makes sense that he was trying to earn 24/25m from another team so that he wouldn't be taking a pay cut. Mclaren were offering 6m, so he would have been worse off than sitting at home. Having to take a pay cut, being forced to do all manner of PR and not being able to rally would have put him in a lose lose situation IMO.
I don't blame Kimi, but it seems that the clever bods at Ferrari knew what they were doing all the while and have succeeded in eliminating a formidable foe. Will he return to F1? I'm not sure. The lack of testing and the new regs will put him at a disadvantage and I guess it depends if he wants it bad enough. Somehow I can't see Kimi touting himself for a seat like JV, he doesn't need the money and a year out might just convince him that he doesn't need the hassle.
Oh well, life goes on.
James notes that he would have been paid 17m to see out 2010 season without a drive or 10m if he went to another team. Now given that his full year salary was 34m it now makes sense that he was trying to earn 24/25m from another team so that he wouldn't be taking a pay cut. Mclaren were offering 6m, so he would have been worse off than sitting at home. Having to take a pay cut, being forced to do all manner of PR and not being able to rally would have put him in a lose lose situation IMO.
I don't blame Kimi, but it seems that the clever bods at Ferrari knew what they were doing all the while and have succeeded in eliminating a formidable foe. Will he return to F1? I'm not sure. The lack of testing and the new regs will put him at a disadvantage and I guess it depends if he wants it bad enough. Somehow I can't see Kimi touting himself for a seat like JV, he doesn't need the money and a year out might just convince him that he doesn't need the hassle.
Oh well, life goes on.
If he really hungry for F1 drive then he would have taken the pay cut that came from driving for another team. Just goes to show that it was all about the money.
Very sad. I don't think he'll be back.
Sad. 
Have been great to follow him though. 
Have been great to follow him though.
QUOTE (Verderer @ Nov 18 2009, 10:51)
I just feel it is such a waste of talent, to me he never had a perfect season in F1 or showed his true mettle.
What's really painful in this prospect he said in 2008 he could easily stay in F1 for 4-5 years more. It mean he could end his career in 2011-2012. Damn.
QUOTE (kismet @ Nov 18 2009, 11:57)
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but I'm mostly just venting because I'm so ****ing frustrated with how the guy can't seem to do one ****ing thing in his life without making a spectacle of himself. Just retire like normal people, will you!
No offence, but you're the one making such a spectacle of it. From what I've read and heard he's been very low key about this (and frankly, everything).
Just goes to show what a character he was. People who claim he's missing characteristics are very much mistaken... you don't build probably one of the biggest fanbases without being a great character. In a sport where all drivers go the mainstream corporate route he's the rebel, out there to enjoy himself.
The sadness fans feel now is the sum of pure racing pleasure he has given us during the 8 years he participated... and I'm thankful for that.
He will be missed...
QUOTE (MaxFan1 @ Nov 18 2009, 10:37)
If he really hungry for F1 drive then he would have taken the pay cut that came from driving for another team. Just goes to show that it was all about the money.
I think it is very difficult in life to take a pay cut especially when one is not desperate. Ferrari would have let it be known the precise details of the severance agreement so that prospective teams would know what they needed to pay Kimi to make it worth his while ~ 7m+
What would you do? If someone offered to pay you more to stay at home than go to work. There is an attraction to staying at home for KR. He can take a year off, do other things and still get paid more than was otherwise being offered. He he misses F1 bad enough he can always make an effort to get back in the near future.
The main beneficiaries are Ferrari IMO. Yes they will have to pay out 17m, but they've got rid of a driver that could cost them a lot more than 17m in lost revenue. James also notes that Brawn wasn't particularly keen on KR after learning of his work ethic form his ex colleagues at Ferrari. So not only were Ferrari getting rid of KR they were also slagging him off to prospective employers.
Life's a b!tch sometimes but we all hate paying for a service/goods or whatever without getting any tangible benefit - it's much easier and satisfying to give with one hand while taking away with the other.
This is so sad. If this is because money, then he loose all my respect. If he have other reason then is OK, good luck.
QUOTE (kismet @ Nov 18 2009, 09:27)
Slightly better (I hope!) translation of those Robertson quotes:
"They [McLaren] were not against Kimi participating in a couple of rallies. Obviously it wouldn't have been possible to take part in very many. I've read many stories where that's held as the main reason [things didn't work out] but that wasn't the case."
"It's not just one reason. We didn't reach an agreement on certain things so we felt it was not the right arrangement for Kimi."
"We made it clear that if we can't move forward with McLaren, he won't drive in F1 next year. Negotiations went bust and the final decision was made on Tuesday."
"Up until yesterday, continuing in F1 was our first choice. Now is the time to sit down with Kimi and discuss what he wants to do. Participating in WRC would requires that he gets a competitive car, too."
"We knew what the plan was. He [Kimi] knew all the possible obstacles there were for an agreement. I'm sure he feels sad in some way. Like I've said, this doesn't mean F1 is a thing of the past for him. He will return in 2011 if we find the right place for him."
"Kimi doesn't want to be in F1 just for the joy of participating. He's too good for that [For the love of doG, Steve!!! - kismet]. He's still eager to drive if he can find a team that gives him a chance to win the championship."
Is it just me or do those quotes have a weird vibe to them? It's like there never was any plan B but no one cares, except maybe Kimi. What am I missing?
"They [McLaren] were not against Kimi participating in a couple of rallies. Obviously it wouldn't have been possible to take part in very many. I've read many stories where that's held as the main reason [things didn't work out] but that wasn't the case."
"It's not just one reason. We didn't reach an agreement on certain things so we felt it was not the right arrangement for Kimi."
"We made it clear that if we can't move forward with McLaren, he won't drive in F1 next year. Negotiations went bust and the final decision was made on Tuesday."
"Up until yesterday, continuing in F1 was our first choice. Now is the time to sit down with Kimi and discuss what he wants to do. Participating in WRC would requires that he gets a competitive car, too."
"We knew what the plan was. He [Kimi] knew all the possible obstacles there were for an agreement. I'm sure he feels sad in some way. Like I've said, this doesn't mean F1 is a thing of the past for him. He will return in 2011 if we find the right place for him."
"Kimi doesn't want to be in F1 just for the joy of participating. He's too good for that [For the love of doG, Steve!!! - kismet]. He's still eager to drive if he can find a team that gives him a chance to win the championship."
Is it just me or do those quotes have a weird vibe to them? It's like there never was any plan B but no one cares, except maybe Kimi. What am I missing?
Well the plan B obviously was to sit at home for at least a year, meanwhile collecting the money and doing fun stuff.
QUOTE (fed up @ Nov 18 2009, 10:57)
What would you do? If someone offered to pay you more to stay at home than go to work. There is an attraction to staying at home for KR. He can take a year off, do other things and still get paid more than was otherwise being offered. He he misses F1 bad enough he can always make an effort to get back in the near future.
The thing is, most of us are stuck doing jobs we don't like. On the other hand, if I was a F1 driver and have earned more than enough to have a comfortable life, then I would happily take a paycut and keep driving in F1.
Now the question is. Does Kimi like driving in F1? That's where the question of his motivation and commitment comes from.
QUOTE (Verderer @ Nov 18 2009, 08:51)
Well, I guess there goes the only reason for me to pay for seeing F1 live, and waking up at unearthly hours to watch the circus... can't say I am that keen on seeing Kimi in WRC, frankly I don't think much of it, especially these days. It's just boring to me, no wheel to wheel racing, just two (or one really) person winning the races and WC year after year...it's not what it used to be, and I think it is unlikely to improve.
I just feel it is such a waste of talent, to me he never had a perfect season in F1 or showed his true mettle. Even if he's had a fantastic career in F1 and won the WC, I feel he's been so unlucky to drive for Macca when the cars were shit, and for Ferrari when both the team AND the car were shit.
Well, it was fun while it lasted. I don't for a minute think that the Kimster will return to F1. Once you're out, you're out for good. People forget you so quickly. I'd be delighted if he made a come-back, but I fear the odds are heavily against it. I just wish he'd stuck with it, and compromised his demands. But he didn't, so it appears F1 is really not the most important thing in life for him, and that's just fine. If that is the case, maybe his place really isn't with F1 anymore.
I just feel it is such a waste of talent, to me he never had a perfect season in F1 or showed his true mettle. Even if he's had a fantastic career in F1 and won the WC, I feel he's been so unlucky to drive for Macca when the cars were shit, and for Ferrari when both the team AND the car were shit.
Well, it was fun while it lasted. I don't for a minute think that the Kimster will return to F1. Once you're out, you're out for good. People forget you so quickly. I'd be delighted if he made a come-back, but I fear the odds are heavily against it. I just wish he'd stuck with it, and compromised his demands. But he didn't, so it appears F1 is really not the most important thing in life for him, and that's just fine. If that is the case, maybe his place really isn't with F1 anymore.
Yep he's an enigma alright. On his day the fastest guy on four wheels but he's never had the hunger or drive to be a multiple WDC IMO. Still he's got one so he should be happy.
I am not surprised. It's known that I never liked Räikkönen so I won't miss him and I would not say that it's a shame because the final decision was obviously his own doing.
Or better said, his career (again I repeat, he is a very good driver but not a top one) is equally the product of shrewd marketing as of his qualities as a driver. The irony is that the same team that made him and his career (the Robertsons) now seemed to be his undoing (assuming Räikkönen really was as autistic about the things other than driving as he seems).
I wanted him to land a seat at McLaren but if his/Robertsons' demands were out of touch with reality (and it seems so, his stock simply dropped sharply), then it was his decision and I respect it.
In the end, he retires (or takes a sabatical) from F1 with very good overall achievments, even the WDC title that I honestly thought would never be within his reach, and way too much money for his worth. So everyone could be happy.
GC
Or better said, his career (again I repeat, he is a very good driver but not a top one) is equally the product of shrewd marketing as of his qualities as a driver. The irony is that the same team that made him and his career (the Robertsons) now seemed to be his undoing (assuming Räikkönen really was as autistic about the things other than driving as he seems).
I wanted him to land a seat at McLaren but if his/Robertsons' demands were out of touch with reality (and it seems so, his stock simply dropped sharply), then it was his decision and I respect it.
In the end, he retires (or takes a sabatical) from F1 with very good overall achievments, even the WDC title that I honestly thought would never be within his reach, and way too much money for his worth. So everyone could be happy.
GC
QUOTE (hsvone @ Nov 18 2009, 11:06)
On his day the fastest guy on four wheels
Doesnt' make Kimi any more special than other drivers as others also were the fastest guy on four wheel on their day.
QUOTE (MaxFan1 @ Nov 18 2009, 11:03)
The thing is, most of us are stuck doing jobs we don't like. On the other hand, if I was a F1 driver and have earned more than enough to have a comfortable life, then I would happily take a paycut and keep driving in F1.
Now the question is. Does Kimi like driving in F1? That's where the question of his motivation and commitment comes from.
Now the question is. Does Kimi like driving in F1? That's where the question of his motivation and commitment comes from.
Regardless my friend, taking a pay cut would have been bad for his confidence. Going from driving a Ferrari and earning 34m to being summarily dismissed (to make way for another driver) and then being offered contracts less than the severance pay. F1 driver despite what they are paid are still human and have the same insecurities as you or I, it's just on a much larger scale.
Its utterly disappointing to realize that *the* greatest natural talent currently in F1 wont be there next year. He may not be the most complete driver, but he is the most naturally gifted. The ability to step into a car and instinctively knowing how to make it go faster as opposed to learning the hard way is very very rare. The last driver in that league was Gilles in my opinion.
But this contract business is also a mystery to me. I am really curious as to what exactly they couldnt agree on?
According to Robertson it wasnt about rallying and it wasnt money. So it was sponsorship duties and appearances? Really? Kimi wouldnt agree on doing a couple of extra rounds in that department? That doesnt make any sense, so it would have to be something else. Because if its only the commercial stuff, that will leave me a bit miffed to be honest. Somehow I think it wasnt Kimis decision 100%. Some other stuff must have played a role. Like what the terms of his contract concerning the release from Ferrari says.
But what does it matter. Next year will all be about fuel saving anyway. Who can get the best mileage and make it to the end. Whoop-de-doo.
But this contract business is also a mystery to me. I am really curious as to what exactly they couldnt agree on?
According to Robertson it wasnt about rallying and it wasnt money. So it was sponsorship duties and appearances? Really? Kimi wouldnt agree on doing a couple of extra rounds in that department? That doesnt make any sense, so it would have to be something else. Because if its only the commercial stuff, that will leave me a bit miffed to be honest. Somehow I think it wasnt Kimis decision 100%. Some other stuff must have played a role. Like what the terms of his contract concerning the release from Ferrari says.
But what does it matter. Next year will all be about fuel saving anyway. Who can get the best mileage and make it to the end. Whoop-de-doo.
QUOTE (kismet @ Nov 18 2009, 13:27)
Slightly better (I hope!) translation of those Robertson quotes:
Is it just me or do those quotes have a weird vibe to them? It's like there never was any plan B but no one cares, except maybe Kimi. What am I missing?
Is it just me or do those quotes have a weird vibe to them? It's like there never was any plan B but no one cares, except maybe Kimi. What am I missing?
Don't want starting to blame his managers but it's looks like they did a bad job (miss Button as possible candidate and that's could ruin all deal). In other case why they don't want to tell the real issues?
("My sporting head")Typical Raikkonen 
, a money grabbing coward, with a over inflated view of his self worth. Asking for top money, combined with outrageous concessions(ie; limited sponsor events, rallying) by a driver deemed surplus to requirements at Ferrari and effectively sacked.
("My objective head") Kimi is well within his rights to take a sabbatical, he has no obligation to anybody to race or forfill some role we F1 fans believe he should. In the world we inhabit today Raikkonen would be nuts to take a lesser wage. To us it might seem he has more than enough to live on, but to him, taking less money is the difference between having a $3 million dollar Florida beach pad or not. Why should Raikkonen compromise what he believes he is worth? If anything this proves to me Raikkonen has no ego. He is doing the smart thing and taking the money. And for those of you who believe money is not the be all and end all. I'll give you my Pay-Pal account details, and all those who disagree can pay me £100 pounds, to prove they not only have moral convictions, but live by them also, instead of asking people like Raikkonen to only live by them. I'm far from a Kimi fan and my post history will confirm that. But in the cold light of day, I don't blame him.
, a money grabbing coward, with a over inflated view of his self worth. Asking for top money, combined with outrageous concessions(ie; limited sponsor events, rallying) by a driver deemed surplus to requirements at Ferrari and effectively sacked. ("My objective head") Kimi is well within his rights to take a sabbatical, he has no obligation to anybody to race or forfill some role we F1 fans believe he should. In the world we inhabit today Raikkonen would be nuts to take a lesser wage. To us it might seem he has more than enough to live on, but to him, taking less money is the difference between having a $3 million dollar Florida beach pad or not. Why should Raikkonen compromise what he believes he is worth? If anything this proves to me Raikkonen has no ego. He is doing the smart thing and taking the money. And for those of you who believe money is not the be all and end all. I'll give you my Pay-Pal account details, and all those who disagree can pay me £100 pounds, to prove they not only have moral convictions, but live by them also, instead of asking people like Raikkonen to only live by them. I'm far from a Kimi fan and my post history will confirm that. But in the cold light of day, I don't blame him.
QUOTE (kismet @ Nov 18 2009, 11:27)
Slightly better (I hope!) translation of those Robertson quotes:
[i]"They [McLaren] were not against Kimi participating in a couple of rallies. Obviously it wouldn't have been possible to take part in very many. I've read many stories where that's held as the main reason [things didn't work out] but that wasn't the case."
"It's not just one reason. We didn't reach an agreement on certain things so we felt it was not the right arrangement for Kimi."
[i]"They [McLaren] were not against Kimi participating in a couple of rallies. Obviously it wouldn't have been possible to take part in very many. I've read many stories where that's held as the main reason [things didn't work out] but that wasn't the case."
"It's not just one reason. We didn't reach an agreement on certain things so we felt it was not the right arrangement for Kimi."
Well what was the hitch then???PR stuff?length of contract? couldn't they be a bit more clearer????
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 18 2009, 10:13)
In other case why they don't want to tell the real issues?
Any representative will keep the business matters private unless the customer explicitly wants them published - and I just can't see Kimi asking for something like that...
EDIT: Though I'm sure after a while there will be interviews where Raikkonen will tell some more about it.
QUOTE (Big Block 8 @ Nov 18 2009, 14:24)
Any representative will keep the business matters private unless the customer explicitly wants them published - and I just can't see Kimi asking for something like that...
EDIT: Though I'm sure after a while there will be interviews where Raikkonen will tell some more about it.
EDIT: Though I'm sure after a while there will be interviews where Raikkonen will tell some more about it.
Well Kimi clearly said why he was sacked from Ferrari. It seems you have a point - Kimi will say it himself.
Curious thing - if he would knew he will take sabbatical in the end he could squeeze more money from Banco.
i don't for a second believe that Kimi-mcLaren cudn't come to agree just because of money and sponsor appearings, there has to be more to it. a lot more to it.
Beside asking at least 12m from mcLaren is maybe correct in that kimi gets money from ferrari only for 2010, what about 2011? surely he won't drive for 6m
Beside asking at least 12m from mcLaren is maybe correct in that kimi gets money from ferrari only for 2010, what about 2011? surely he won't drive for 6m
QUOTE (fed up @ Nov 18 2009, 11:12)
Regardless my friend, taking a pay cut would have been bad for his confidence. Going from driving a Ferrari and earning 34m to being summarily dismissed (to make way for another driver) and then being offered contracts less than the severance pay. F1 driver despite what they are paid are still human and have the same insecurities as you or I, it's just on a much larger scale.
He has to take into account what he was offered compared to the rest of the grid. It's not like he was being paid significantly less than everyone. Like I said, does he like driving in F1? If I had a job that I actually enjoyed doing AND have earned more than enough to live well, then I wouldn't have a problem with a paycut if the choice was between quitting that work or continuing. Imagine if Button never took that paycut.
Alan Baldwin:
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
QUOTE (OSX @ Nov 18 2009, 12:48)
Alan Baldwin:
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
That's sheer arrogance on Robertsons' side. It worked well since 2002 but finally got exposed.
GC
QUOTE (OSX @ Nov 18 2009, 11:48)
Alan Baldwin:
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
Full article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8365967.stm
Riku Kuvaja (Kimi's PR guy) on MTV3:
"I didn't notice he was depressed in any way. He wasn't cursing or anything. You take things as they come. The most important thing is that things are clear now. This card has been played and it didn't work. Now we'll explore other options", Riku Kuvaja says about Kimi's reaction.
This combined with Robertson's latest quotes makes me so angry. I thought Kimi wanted to quit F1, but apparently he didn't. They just f***ed it up. It seems Kimi and/or Robertson just overplayed their hand and are totally clueless as to what to do now. They thought McLaren would just give in if they wait long enough and had no back up plan whatsoever??? No concrete rallying plans, nothing. Kimi is just going to sit at home pissed that he didn't lower his demands, WTF?!?
EDIT: missed the ABC news so this post is irrelevant rambling now
"I didn't notice he was depressed in any way. He wasn't cursing or anything. You take things as they come. The most important thing is that things are clear now. This card has been played and it didn't work. Now we'll explore other options", Riku Kuvaja says about Kimi's reaction.
This combined with Robertson's latest quotes makes me so angry. I thought Kimi wanted to quit F1, but apparently he didn't. They just f***ed it up. It seems Kimi and/or Robertson just overplayed their hand and are totally clueless as to what to do now. They thought McLaren would just give in if they wait long enough and had no back up plan whatsoever??? No concrete rallying plans, nothing. Kimi is just going to sit at home pissed that he didn't lower his demands, WTF?!?
EDIT: missed the ABC news so this post is irrelevant rambling now
Kimi = JV 2
If you go to a team and get a third of what the other driver gets, I think it shows already that you aren't going to be equal in the team.
QUOTE (saunarobot @ Nov 18 2009, 12:05)
If you go to a team and get a third of what the other driver gets, I think it shows already that you aren't going to be equal in the team.
I guess that means contrary to Kimi fans claims, he was indeed the #1 at Ferrari given he was paid so much more than Massa, and still he couldn't get the job done against Massa.
QUOTE (MaxFan1 @ Nov 18 2009, 14:07)
I guess that means contrary to Kimi fans claims, he was indeed the #1 at Ferrari given he was paid so much more than Massa, and still he couldn't get the job done against Massa.
Yes I think so, but with italians there is a certain degree of insanity involved always.
QUOTE (karina_k @ Nov 18 2009, 16:50)
Well what was the hitch then???PR stuff?length of contract? couldn't they be a bit more clearer????
Mclaren's refusal to give him 'No.1 status' against Hamilton, because Kimi might be afraid (rightly so) that Lewis is so gonna kick his ass.
Shame really, but the Kimster is largely responsible for this development.
Maybe, he will in fact enjoy rallying more than F1 - I will certainly enjoy seeing him in a rally car next year.
Maybe, he will in fact enjoy rallying more than F1 - I will certainly enjoy seeing him in a rally car next year.
QUOTE (primer @ Nov 18 2009, 13:11)
Mclaren's refusal to give him 'No.1 status' against Hamilton, because Kimi might be afraid (rightly so) that Lewis is so gonna kick his ass.
If you were going to be as vague as the Robertsons you needn't have bothered to reply
QUOTE (OSX @ Nov 18 2009, 13:48)
Alan Baldwin:
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
"Raikkonen's manager told BBC that McLaren couldn't afford Kimi "so he's going to go rallying instead". Thinks they already signed Button."
http://twitter.com/alanbaldwinf1/statuses/5823939233
"MTV3 has received information from a reliable source that F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen has been negotiating with Citroën World Rally Championship Team.
Räikkönen has an alternative of driving all season either for Citroën factory team or for private Citroen team run by Petter Solberg.
Citroën factory team's sponsor Red Bull has offered to pay Räikkönen twice the salary, six times world rally champion Sébastien Loeb is getting. Loeb is estimated to earn 5-6 million euros per year."
There's one more useful development here: every time somebody here writes how Schumacher scared and run away from Räikkönen, an equally good point would be made about Räikkönen scaring and running away from Hamilton. Thanks, Kimi!
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QUOTE (karina_k @ Nov 18 2009, 17:51)
If you were going to be as vague as the Robertsons you needn't have bothered to reply
Is. Happy?
QUOTE (primer @ Nov 18 2009, 13:54)
Is. Happy?
Yeah,sure.Source?
I refuse to believe KIMI is finished in F1. 
QUOTE (Flat and Out @ Nov 18 2009, 14:34)
"MTV3 has received information from a reliable source that F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen has been negotiating with Citroën World Rally Championship Team.
Räikkönen has an alternative of driving all season either for Citroën factory team or for private Citroen team run by Petter Solberg.
Citroën factory team's sponsor Red Bull has offered to pay Räikkönen twice the salary, six times world rally champion Sébastien Loeb is getting. Loeb is estimated to earn 5-6 million euros per year."
Räikkönen has an alternative of driving all season either for Citroën factory team or for private Citroen team run by Petter Solberg.
Citroën factory team's sponsor Red Bull has offered to pay Räikkönen twice the salary, six times world rally champion Sébastien Loeb is getting. Loeb is estimated to earn 5-6 million euros per year."
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That's just insane. Loeb is the best rally driver ever. Giving kimi twice as much is an insult to all his achievments. I'll a bit pissed when everyone is looking at Raikkonen at the team even if he's 2 sec slower every Km.
on the other hand, just imagine a private team with Peter Solberg, Marcus Gronholm and Kimi Raikkonen! apart from the sporting issue, what a Marketing operation!!!
so there we have it, it was greed on robertsons and kimis part 
well then bye kimi, you dont deserve that sec seat then.
well then bye kimi, you dont deserve that sec seat then.
QUOTE (Chiara @ Nov 18 2009, 14:56)
With autosport article it's all about money and terms? So Mclaren couldn't afford 10-12M euro? WTF.
To tell you the truth rally sucks - no overtaking, no real competition - you could buy a car and drive somewhere in the finnish forest - the same fun i must say.
QUOTE (f1rules @ Nov 18 2009, 14:00)
so there we have it, it was greed on robertsons and kimis part well then bye kimi, you dont deserve that sec seat then.
well then bye kimi, you dont deserve that sec seat then.Räikkönen was a marketing/getting rich product of the Roberstons just as much as he was a good (not top!) driver. This concept was bound to collapse and it collapsed in Ferrari.
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So, is Jenson greedy bastard becouse he refused to sign with brawn and went to McLaren becouse of higher salary.
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 18 2009, 13:02)
With autosport article it's all about money and terms? WTF.
To tell you the truth rally sucks - no overtaking, no real competition - you could buy a car and drive somewhere in the finnish forest - the same fun i must say.
To tell you the truth rally sucks - no overtaking, no real competition - you could buy a car and drive somewhere in the finnish forest - the same fun i must say.
Rally's awesome. I'd rather be a rally driver than an F1 driver to be honest. Rallying would suit KR well.
QUOTE (motorhead @ Nov 18 2009, 18:37)
So, is Jenson greedy bastard becouse he refused to sign with brawn and went to McLaren becouse of higher salary.
QUOTE (Martin Whitmarsh)
“I want to make clear that Jenson’s decision to join us was in no way motivated by money. We’ll be paying him no more than he could be getting elsewhere, and that fact is a reflection of not only Jenson’s belief in Vodafone McLaren Mercedes but also his desire and ambition to build on the phenomenal results he achieved during the 2009 season.
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