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They do have Aki Hintsa, the doctor. He speaks good Finnish as he is a native speaker
I wouldn't trust Peter Windsor on this, he is clearly a Kimi hater. Very much biased against him.
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Oct 30 2009, 11:29) 
I agree that the car got better. They did stop developing it, but clearly they have done a lot of work on setups to maximize it.
With that said, you've got to admit that Raikkonen's driving has in fact improved starting in Hungary. He had the last updates on the car at the Nurb, and while he had engine problems in the middle of the race, we didn't see anything like his spirited starts at Hungary and Spa or his undeniable awesome race pace in the time in which the car didn't have a problem during that race. He's clearly been a different driver.
Furthermore, Raikkonen has something to do with the car performing better. He's the one responsible for giving feedback to the engineers. It sounds to me like he's done a great job giving them feedback and getting the changes to the car that he wants, and the team has done a great job of responding to his feedback.
I wouldn't at all say the F60 has been an outstanding car this year. It undeniably improved, starting in Spain and with the upgrade at Silverstone/Nurb. The BGP-001 and RB5 have clearly been ahead of it all year, and McLaren really transformed the MP4-24 with their developments and vaulted ahead, as well. Like the MP4-24, it's been good on technical circuits that require mechanical grip and underbody downforce under braking (which both teams have improved with their DDDs) as well as circuits requiring horsepower (Ferrari and Mercedes engines, KERS), but it's been relatively weaker on circuits- or at least sectors of circuits- with serial quick, sweeping corners. Both the MP4-24 and F60 were horribly off in Sector Two at Spa- about a second off the RB5 (best overbody downforce, which is key for the quick corners). The difference in Raikkonen squeezing into Q3 and Hamilton missing it was down to Raikkonen getting a good lap and Hamilton not doing so; otherwise, the differences between the two cars at Spa were nil.
With that said, you've got to admit that Raikkonen's driving has in fact improved starting in Hungary. He had the last updates on the car at the Nurb, and while he had engine problems in the middle of the race, we didn't see anything like his spirited starts at Hungary and Spa or his undeniable awesome race pace in the time in which the car didn't have a problem during that race. He's clearly been a different driver.
Furthermore, Raikkonen has something to do with the car performing better. He's the one responsible for giving feedback to the engineers. It sounds to me like he's done a great job giving them feedback and getting the changes to the car that he wants, and the team has done a great job of responding to his feedback.
I wouldn't at all say the F60 has been an outstanding car this year. It undeniably improved, starting in Spain and with the upgrade at Silverstone/Nurb. The BGP-001 and RB5 have clearly been ahead of it all year, and McLaren really transformed the MP4-24 with their developments and vaulted ahead, as well. Like the MP4-24, it's been good on technical circuits that require mechanical grip and underbody downforce under braking (which both teams have improved with their DDDs) as well as circuits requiring horsepower (Ferrari and Mercedes engines, KERS), but it's been relatively weaker on circuits- or at least sectors of circuits- with serial quick, sweeping corners. Both the MP4-24 and F60 were horribly off in Sector Two at Spa- about a second off the RB5 (best overbody downforce, which is key for the quick corners). The difference in Raikkonen squeezing into Q3 and Hamilton missing it was down to Raikkonen getting a good lap and Hamilton not doing so; otherwise, the differences between the two cars at Spa were nil.
I understand the logic you are applying, but fundamentally it is flawed. In relation to Kimi's apparent improvement since Hungary, your equation is flawed due to not factoring Massa's possible performance in the same period. The answer being we'll never know. But if the second half of the season was to follow the trend of the first half, which would be a reasonable assumption to make, then Kimi would have lost out to Massa on more occasions than he would have beaten him. Bearing that in mind, what picture would that paint of Kimi's driving?
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Oct 30 2009, 09:42)
I understand the logic you are applying, but fundamentally it is flawed. In relation to Kimi's apparent improvement since Hungary, your equation is flawed due to not factoring Massa's possible performance in the same period. The answer being we'll never know. But if the second half of the season was to follow the trend of the first half, which would be a reasonable assumption to make, then Kimi would have lost out to Massa on more occasions than he would have beaten him. Bearing that in mind, what picture would that paint of Kimi's driving?
Why the need to compare to Massa? The car is a better standard by itself. It has not improved, it's a standard.
The impression I have is it is more down to getting a set-up Kimi likes. If he is comfortable in the car, with the balance of the car, then you see excellent performances from him. It's the same with every driver. What was wrong in 2007, 2008 and even this year in some races, was that there was too often a situation he wasn't comfortable with the car. I read this from his comments. The feeling he has to the car now might very well be much better than what he had last year, but the difference is the car of this year is just overall lacking down force so the top results are extremely hard to achieve. This is what you can read from Kimi's comments, the balance of the car is good but there is the lack of overall grip. So whilst he might feel more comfortable with the car this year, and perform to his best, it's not enough to win the races as the others have more down force.
kimi and lewis have opposite opinions of the yas marina track
kimi...there arent too many bends properly propelled, perhaps only a couple. . All the other are those which are hard braking and then run through low-speed twists and turns. . In that sense, this is a bit dull track. The first couple of bends are those which you can drive a bit harder, but then they are(google translation was crap)
lewis...the track is great - it’s quite interesting coming from daylight into nighttime, you don’t notice the difference through the twilight. They’ve done an incredible job here. It’s a really nice circuit to drive - there are a lot of technical corners, where braking stability is important. It’s a great track and I really enjoy driving it. The only bit I don’t like is the tunnel - but it’s a challenge
kimi...there arent too many bends properly propelled, perhaps only a couple. . All the other are those which are hard braking and then run through low-speed twists and turns. . In that sense, this is a bit dull track. The first couple of bends are those which you can drive a bit harder, but then they are(google translation was crap)
lewis...the track is great - it’s quite interesting coming from daylight into nighttime, you don’t notice the difference through the twilight. They’ve done an incredible job here. It’s a really nice circuit to drive - there are a lot of technical corners, where braking stability is important. It’s a great track and I really enjoy driving it. The only bit I don’t like is the tunnel - but it’s a challenge
QUOTE (wiry @ Oct 30 2009, 09:38)
...a quote from another forum:
I was listening to Windsor during the SpeedTV broadcast. Let's just say he has no idea. His comments are as good as nothing.
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 30 2009, 17:40)
I wouldn't trust Peter Windsor on this, he is clearly a Kimi hater. Very much biased against him.
Really? I always thought, for some reason, he liked Kimi. And his articles for F1 Racing were quite good.
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Oct 30 2009, 18:42)
I understand the logic you are applying, but fundamentally it is flawed. In relation to Kimi's apparent improvement since Hungary, your equation is flawed due to not factoring Massa's possible performance in the same period. The answer being we'll never know. But if the second half of the season was to follow the trend of the first half, which would be a reasonable assumption to make, then Kimi would have lost out to Massa on more occasions than he would have beaten him. Bearing that in mind, what picture would that paint of Kimi's driving?
Räikkönen did a good job but there's nothing to say that Massa wouldn't have done even better. It's possible, of course.
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The fanboys go: "Yay! Kimi talking. Kimi will continue in F1 at McLaren! He almost said it's confirmed!"
Whilst the haters go: "Yay! Kimi talking. He's retiring! He almost said it's confirmed!
Into which group you put Peter Windsor?
I consider myself to be somewhere in the middle grounds. I don't believe there is a contract until the team tells me there is.
I see comments from Kimi and Whitmarsh which indicate they are close to a deal but are not quite there yet. I don't quite get where did Windsor get "he is retiring". What I see from Kimi does not indicate he is retiring - he wants to continue in F1 but the contract must make sense to him. And then he says McLaren is his only option (in F1).
And yeah, the fanboys saying the deal is 100 % done is also silly. I don't want to be in either group, I'd rather wait that they publish they've achieved an agreement and only then start celebrating. In fact I don't feel like I would celebrate - it would be just business as usual.
Whilst the haters go: "Yay! Kimi talking. He's retiring! He almost said it's confirmed!
Into which group you put Peter Windsor?
I consider myself to be somewhere in the middle grounds. I don't believe there is a contract until the team tells me there is.
I see comments from Kimi and Whitmarsh which indicate they are close to a deal but are not quite there yet. I don't quite get where did Windsor get "he is retiring". What I see from Kimi does not indicate he is retiring - he wants to continue in F1 but the contract must make sense to him. And then he says McLaren is his only option (in F1).
And yeah, the fanboys saying the deal is 100 % done is also silly. I don't want to be in either group, I'd rather wait that they publish they've achieved an agreement and only then start celebrating. In fact I don't feel like I would celebrate - it would be just business as usual.
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Oct 30 2009, 17:49)
I was listening to Windsor during the SpeedTV broadcast. Let's just say he has no idea. His comments are as good as nothing.
I hope so having Hekki in a McLaren when you could have Kimi is just stupid.
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Oct 30 2009, 18:47)
Why the need to compare to Massa? The car is a better standard by itself. It has not improved, it's a standard.
That's not true. But if it is, and the car really stagnated, then Räikkönen is even more inconsistent than supposed - that would mean he needed to be fired to start driving properly.
However, while that is not completely untrue, what I would say is that the only standard (defined as the parameter that did not change) was the F60's potential. The car is now much better sorted out, set up and closer to the limit of its performance. For all practical purposes, that would mean that the car effectively improved, and with it the drivers' results.
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QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 30 2009, 18:40)
I wouldn't trust Peter Windsor on this, he is clearly a Kimi hater. Very much biased against him.
It would make sense to compile a list of all those Kimi haters out there, just to ensure we don't make the mistake to believe a word they say.
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
QUOTE (giacomo @ Oct 30 2009, 19:15)
It would make sense to compile a list of all those Kimi haters out there, just to ensure we don't make the mistake to believe a word they say.
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
Paranoia, nothing else.
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Wow! I have been without an internet for a week,because my power supply broke and what do i see? Colombo giving Kimi credit for something 
On to the topic.I really fear its over after this year,because there are these little remarks from Kimi that gets me worried,but i hope he continues.
On to the topic.I really fear its over after this year,because there are these little remarks from Kimi that gets me worried,but i hope he continues.
Perhaps we should wait until he actually announces his retirement before we get the party started?
There sure are a lot of little people hating out there. I would say get a life, but you just don't have a clue.
QUOTE (giacomo @ Oct 30 2009, 19:15)
It would make sense to compile a list of all those Kimi haters out there, just to ensure we don't make the mistake to believe a word they say.
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
with a big exception: Pedro de la Rosa. During the races (that he comments with Lobato), PdLR always defends Kimi and shows his admiration for the Finnish.
Lobato hated Kimi just in 2005, now he simply despises him.
QUOTE (giacomo @ Oct 30 2009, 21:15)
It would make sense to compile a list of all those Kimi haters out there, just to ensure we don't make the mistake to believe a word they say.
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
Im on a opinion,that even though some of these people dont like him like you dont,it doesnt mean what they say isnt true.That Rampf quote i would like have a link to.
QUOTE (giacomo @ Oct 31 2009, 00:15)
It would make sense to compile a list of all those Kimi haters out there, just to ensure we don't make the mistake to believe a word they say.
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
the Peter Windsor comment was a surprise to me because I have to listen to this guy a LOT.. and it was never my impression that he had anything against Kimi actually the opposite. At some point he was his fanboy..
You forgot Peter Sauber.
QUOTE (Colombo @ Oct 30 2009, 20:16)
Paranoia, nothing else.
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Bullshit. This one man has a track record of going against Kimi regularly with his comments. Nothing to do with paranoia if that's pointed out. I know Kimi has done a lot of things I don't like and I'm not defending him regarding those things. Similarly, I've no reason to slag him off at pretty much every opportunity.
Examples? Some recent ones are how he tried to discredit Kimi's win at Spa this year by saying Fisichella was not passing him because he was going to Ferrari. Then this one - Kimi is talking how he wants to stay in F1 and how McLaren is his only option and that it will be sorted out in the next few days, and he looks confident when he says those things. Then we have Windsor say he pretty much said he will be out of F1. It just doesn't add up - a sensible explanation to that is the reporter is being very biased. Maybe Windsor is hoping Kimi will be out of F1 as he doesn't want to see Hamilton getting seriously challenged at McLaren.
To add some balance to this. I have some Finnish F1 commentators I don't like because I feel they are too biased. I call their bullshit, I don't let it pass. I would hope more people would do the same and in every country. If you notice your F1 reporters are being unfair, tell it to them. Don't just jump on the bandwagon, you have brains use them. The same with religions etc. superstitious stuff.
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Oct 30 2009, 19:25)
Im on a opinion,that even though some of these people dont like him like you dont,it doesnt mean what they say isnt true.That Rampf quote i would like have a link to.
Well, you asked for it, so don't blame me for bringing into this thread. But I have a feeling you won't like it much...
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...84209&FS=F1
Sauber's Technical Director Willy Rampf thinks the Brazilian compares favourably to last year's rookie sensation Kimi Raikkonen, who the team signed up despite his lack of experience. "On a quick lap, Felipe is quicker than Kimi," Rampf said. "He is very talented and can go for a quick lap without any problem. We compared the first tests of Felipe and Kimi, and they are very similar. In terms of feedback they are also the same."
QUOTE (giacomo @ Oct 30 2009, 19:41)
Well, you asked for it, so don't blame me for bringing into this thread. But I have a feeling you won't like it much...
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...84209&FS=F1
Sauber's Technical Director Willy Rampf thinks the Brazilian compares favourably to last year's rookie sensation Kimi Raikkonen, who the team signed up despite his lack of experience. "On a quick lap, Felipe is quicker than Kimi," Rampf said. "He is very talented and can go for a quick lap without any problem. We compared the first tests of Felipe and Kimi, and they are very similar. In terms of feedback they are also the same."
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...84209&FS=F1
Sauber's Technical Director Willy Rampf thinks the Brazilian compares favourably to last year's rookie sensation Kimi Raikkonen, who the team signed up despite his lack of experience. "On a quick lap, Felipe is quicker than Kimi," Rampf said. "He is very talented and can go for a quick lap without any problem. We compared the first tests of Felipe and Kimi, and they are very similar. In terms of feedback they are also the same."
LOL - a quote from 2002 from Sauber who wants to tell everybody what a hot new driver they have. Don't get me wrong. I think Massa is great. And I think Kimi is great. But a quote like this is well what do you say? Bullshit.
Yeah we know what happened at Sauber
Felipe is quick, I've known it all the time he has been in F1. I think his problem has been for a large part his fragile self-confidence, if he is down then he is really down, you can easily read it from his face. Where Kimi differs is you can't see it from his face so well. I guess this is why many people don't like Kimi, he is very hard to read. They can't read him and they don't understand him so they are afraid of him. It's basic human nature - if there is something you don't understand then you tend to be afraid of it. And if you are afraid of something you try to make it go away - no surprise now there has been so many comments trying to place Kimi out of F1. Why those people work so hard to get this one guy out of F1 is difficult to understand regarding the racing side, the guy is a fantastic racer, the explanation I can come up with is they don't like his personality, which is imho the wrong reason to wish such a fantastic F1 driver would retire.
Felipe is quick, I've known it all the time he has been in F1. I think his problem has been for a large part his fragile self-confidence, if he is down then he is really down, you can easily read it from his face. Where Kimi differs is you can't see it from his face so well. I guess this is why many people don't like Kimi, he is very hard to read. They can't read him and they don't understand him so they are afraid of him. It's basic human nature - if there is something you don't understand then you tend to be afraid of it. And if you are afraid of something you try to make it go away - no surprise now there has been so many comments trying to place Kimi out of F1. Why those people work so hard to get this one guy out of F1 is difficult to understand regarding the racing side, the guy is a fantastic racer, the explanation I can come up with is they don't like his personality, which is imho the wrong reason to wish such a fantastic F1 driver would retire.
Rampf said what all we know.Massa is better at qualy and i see no mention of raw pace.I will leave this at that,because this is not Kimi vs Massa thread.
QUOTE (FenderJaguar @ Oct 30 2009, 23:51)
LOL - a quote from 2002 from Sauber who wants to tell everybody what a hot new driver they have. Don't get me wrong. I think Massa is great. And I think Kimi is great. But a quote like this is well what do you say? Bullshit.
Well, perhaps some more recent comments from the Sauber people could be appropriate. Were they in the end as happy with Felipe's performances compared to Kimi's performances. I would go out on a limp and say they weren't (considering their first year in F1).
Look at the article - it is from January, 2002! Felipe had not gone through his first F1 race weekend yet. Quite a useless comment, in fact. Get some from the time when Felipe had actually been racing in F1 already. The same goes for Kimi, too, of course.
Look at the article - it is from January, 2002! Felipe had not gone through his first F1 race weekend yet. Quite a useless comment, in fact. Get some from the time when Felipe had actually been racing in F1 already. The same goes for Kimi, too, of course.
QUOTE (FenderJaguar @ Oct 30 2009, 19:51)
LOL - a quote from 2002 from Sauber who wants to tell everybody what a hot new driver they have. Don't get me wrong. I think Massa is great. And I think Kimi is great. But a quote like this is well what do you say? Bullshit.
Actually this post of yours is bullshit; just the typical fanboy behaviour of tackling all insider statements that don't fit the own agenda.
Compare: → Anssi, → Peter Windsor.
Massa problem at Sauber was always that he committed too many mistakes and kept crashing. Everyone knows this. His speed has never been in question actually on this front his reputation has always been as one of the speediest drivers in F1. Now that he has overcome those issues he has became a top driver.. Alonso is going to have his hands full..
STOP DESTROYING THE THREAD!..FOR ONCE!
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Oct 30 2009, 23:53)
Rampf said what all we know.Massa is better at qualy and i see no mention of raw pace.I will leave this at that,because this is not Kimi vs Massa thread.
don't sail with everyone on that boat.. To most kimi fans on this thread it was the car not suiting Kimi the reason why Massa beat Kimi in Q.
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 30 2009, 19:55)
Well, perhaps some more recent comments from the Sauber people could be appropriate. Were they in the end as happy with Felipe's performances compared to Kimi's performances. I would go out on a limp and say they weren't.
Look at the article - it is from January, 2002! Felipe had not gone through his first F1 race weekend yet. Quite a useless comment, in fact. Get some from the time when Felipe had actually been racing in F1 already. The same goes for Kimi, too, of course.
Look at the article - it is from January, 2002! Felipe had not gone through his first F1 race weekend yet. Quite a useless comment, in fact. Get some from the time when Felipe had actually been racing in F1 already. The same goes for Kimi, too, of course.
Because you say so?
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 30 2009, 20:59)
STOP DESTROYING THE THREAD!..FOR ONCE!
Hush! I've got a tenner on this thread getting locked before KR either announces his retirement or McLaren announce him as 50 % of their 2010 race driver lineup.
But giacomo - what would you expect Sauber in the beginning of the 2002 season to say? You know what - I think I could have told you what they would say without reading the interview.
QUOTE (FenderJaguar @ Oct 31 2009, 00:13)
But giacomo - what would you expect Sauber in the beginning of the 2002 season to say? You know what - I think I could have told you what they would say without reading the interview.
the potential talent of a driver is picked up immediately after they test an F1 car otherwise how do you explain Kimi getting a seat in F1 with his limited experience back in 01.
QUOTE (HSJ @ Oct 30 2009, 10:20)
Also this bit:
"Mark Webber torpeded you off the track on the first lap in Brazil and claimed that you would have done the same in a similar situtation. Would you have drove in front of a competitor in the same way?
– I don't have the energy to argue with anyone. It leads nowhere."
Like, how many other drivers would give that answer? I'm certain that every other driver would have an "attitude" over the incident and at least give some comment, rather than just dismiss it like that.
"Mark Webber torpeded you off the track on the first lap in Brazil and claimed that you would have done the same in a similar situtation. Would you have drove in front of a competitor in the same way?
– I don't have the energy to argue with anyone. It leads nowhere."
Like, how many other drivers would give that answer? I'm certain that every other driver would have an "attitude" over the incident and at least give some comment, rather than just dismiss it like that.
That exact ' i couldnt be bothered' zero passion attitude is one of the main reasons he got fired from Ferrari. Nothing to boast about. Just shows his lack of commitment and passion as a person.
I am wondering how come JPM Boyz - who, according to themselves, are "neutral observers" when it comes to Kimi - spend most of their time here policing Kimi threads, making sure that nasty Juan-beater and especially his fanboys are put in their place.
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Oct 30 2009, 20:59)
Massa problem at Sauber was always that he committed too many mistakes and kept crashing. Everyone knows this. His speed has never been in question actually on this front his reputation has always been as one of the speediest drivers in F1. Now that he has overcome those issues he has became a top driver.. Alonso is going to have his hands full..
I completely agree. That's how I see his F1 career, right from the start he was very fast, but fragile, and I think he still is much more fragile compared to Kimi. I mean Kimi will perform well no matter the track or the weather, you see more fluctuation of performances from Felipe. But he has improved a lot in that front and that's certainly something he can be proud of. It will be interesting to see him take on Alonso - he already did quite well against Kimi, even though Kimi got the better results in the Championships over the time they raced together in the same team.
Perhaps Kimi doesn't bother to argue with Mark Webber about the collision as it is highly irrelevant. It is just a distraction - so Kimi pushes it aside. No amount of arguing will bring Kimi any more points from Brazil - no point to argue
See how people laugh at Jarno Trulli for how he argues with Adrian Sutil. I am glad Kimi is not like Jarno. But thankfully we have these different characters and not everyone is the same.
See how people laugh at Jarno Trulli for how he argues with Adrian Sutil. I am glad Kimi is not like Jarno. But thankfully we have these different characters and not everyone is the same.
QUOTE (giacomo @ Oct 30 2009, 19:15)
It would make sense to compile a list of all those Kimi haters out there, just to ensure we don't make the mistake to believe a word they say.
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
So far I remember following groups being accused of hating Kimi:
- Spanish media, especially Lobato
- Italian media, especially Allievi
- Finnish tabloids for suggesting KR might be drunk here and then
- Ferrari people for sabotaging KRs car and sacking him
- German media, especially Bild
- Sauber people, especially Rampf, for rating Massa's raw pace higher than KR's
- now Peter Windsor
Anyone else?
Swedish media treat Kimi like their own boy the TV commentators talk about no one but Kimi its kimi kimi kimi kimi quite annoying
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 31 2009, 00:23)
I completely agree. That's how I see his F1 career, right from the start he was very fast, but fragile, and I think he still is much more fragile compared to Kimi. I mean Kimi will perform well no matter the track or the weather, you see more fluctuation of performances from Felipe.
that depends if you are judging Kimi as a whole or just picking and choosing races.
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 31 2009, 00:23)
.... even though Kimi got the better results in the Championships over the time they raced together in the same team.
points table tells us its the other way around..
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Oct 30 2009, 19:01)
don't sail with everyone on that boat.. To most kimi fans on this thread it was the car not suiting Kimi the reason why Massa beat Kimi in Q.
Still seeking revenge for Kimi vs JPM in 2005-06, rob?
This thread is about "Kimi in 2010".
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Oct 30 2009, 21:27)
that depends if you are judging Kimi as a whole or just picking and choosing races.
Huh? I am talking of a performance over a whole season. Kimi is more stable as a person and as a race driver.
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points tells us its the other way around..
They are racing in a Championship.
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Oct 30 2009, 11:29)
With that said, you've got to admit that Raikkonen's driving has in fact improved starting in Hungary. He had the last updates on the car at the Nurb, and while he had engine problems in the middle of the race, we didn't see anything like his spirited starts at Hungary and Spa or his undeniable awesome race pace in the time in which the car didn't have a problem during that race. He's clearly been a different driver.
His results have improved but we dont know if its down to his driving or the car. Do you really think its just coincidence Kimis driving 'improved' the exact moment he lost massa as his benchmark? Lets get real.
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Oct 30 2009, 11:29)
Furthermore, Raikkonen has something to do with the car performing better. He's the one responsible for giving feedback to the engineers. It sounds to me like he's done a great job giving them feedback and getting the changes to the car that he wants, and the team has done a great job of responding to his feedback.
His feedback is so good it only took two and half years to get the car right. Impressive.
QUOTE (Magnus @ Oct 30 2009, 22:22)
That exact ' i couldnt be bothered' zero passion attitude is one of the main reasons he got fired from Ferrari. Nothing to boast about. Just shows his lack of commitment and passion as a person.
Or maybe,just MAYBE he is not as childish as Trulli and co. who cant let things go and move on.
QUOTE (grunge @ Oct 30 2009, 12:02)
i think it has more to do with the setups suiting kimi.maybe thats what u mean too by saying ''maximized''.after massa's injury ,the only logical way to go was to make sure the setup characteristics were closer to what kimi wanted
You dont seem to understand that Kimi and massa have their own cars and engineers and can setup their cars anyway they want. Half the crap you keep pushing around here just makes no sense at all.
QUOTE (Magnus @ Oct 30 2009, 19:31)
His feedback is so good it only took two and half years to get the car right. Impressive.
Jan. 07 to June 07 is 2.5 years??? Didn't know Alonso fanboys could distort time
Whitmarsh has made some quite positive comments about Kimi's feedback. Maybe they want to get a driver with the development skills Alonso promised but couldn't deliver.. Go for it Macca
I didn't like that "– I don't have the energy to argue with anyone. It leads nowhere." That wasn't "iceman" that was more of someone who is tired of F1.
I'd say Kimi has done a good job with car development as he has beaten Fernando the magician car developer Alonso for 3 years in a row now
It's a bit sarcastic remark as I don't think the driver can do much if the design of the car is screwed up. I think the role of the drivers in car development is greatly exaggerated by many.
It's a bit sarcastic remark as I don't think the driver can do much if the design of the car is screwed up. I think the role of the drivers in car development is greatly exaggerated by many.
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 31 2009, 00:31)
Huh? I am talking of a performance over a whole season. Kimi is more stable as a person and as a race driver.
define stable..
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 31 2009, 00:31)
They are racing in a Championship.
I know, that is why finishing higher in the championship is the most important thing. Kimi did that in 2007 after that Massa came on top.
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