Is it relations or negotiations?

That's it true, it's much better to have Massa whine about Alonso blocking him at Monza qualifying so that Alonso gets a grid penalty. That's pure committment.

Seriously, why isn't this idiot banned already? I feel like quoting Kimi myself, I feel like not having any energy when reading stuff like that. The level on this board is just incredible nowadays.

In reality it should be labeled "Kimi in 2010 (Kimi fanboys only).." otherwise any comment that is discussed which contradicts something that is perceived by his fans, as in this case Peter Sauber commenting that Massa was faster than Kimi when they first tested, is refuted with nonsense like for example calling the source BS or attacking the poster..

Be careful.You might yourself get banned for answering their posts.I did

Well, huh, I think you should be able to do that by yourself.





Indeed, Kimi got better results in the Championship. I would like you to go and ask Felipe Massa does he feel he beat Kimi over the period of 2007 & 2008. I would like to see a video of it posted on youtube, thanks.

Felling generous today ?

By the way, Kimi said nothing about "energy". The translation somewhere here at this forum is inaccurate.

And how does Peter Sauber`s comments about Kimi`s and Massa`s first tests have anything to do with the thread title?

That's why, earlier in the thread, I whined about the translation. He only said he's not interested in arguing about stuff like that because it's not going to change anything - which, incidentally, is what he's been saying for the past nine years.

Or someone who recognises the futility of fretting over/discussing something that cannot be changed, whilst Trulli in the PC with his photographs may have been entertaining to some, it doesn't look to have changed anything positively, least of all, peoples perceptions of Trulli.

not really dude.. This can have many different meanings or interpretations .. stable with respect to what.. ? .. Can you please elaborate..


I don't know what Massa thinks do you ?..

I don't really care. Who knows, it might be fun creating new accounts every week or so. Apparently it's acceptable standard.

Anssi:
Indeed, Kimi got better results in the Championship. I would like you to go and ask Felipe Massa does he feel he beat Kimi over the period of 2007 & 2008. I would like to see a video of it posted on youtube, thanks.


You are a truly laughable chap. Those false claims about Raikkonen beating Massa, and the request for providing pre-defined Massa statements on youtube... Incredible.

mursuka80:
And how does Peter Sauber`s comments about Kimi`s and Massa`s first tests have anything to do with the thread title?



Says the one who asked to provide those statements.

Kimi is an honest, no BS kind of guy. I have no idea why he attracts the kind of fans he does.

Giacomo it was a draw move on Has Kimi said recently when we would hear some news? I would like to know if i book flights to WRC events or F1.

Thats what you get for being a little drunk

Finnish-speaking friends, please translate this:

Räikkösen manageri Steve Robertson vahvistaa oman suojattinsa McLaren-neuvottelut. Managerin mukaan Räikkösellä olisi hinkua jatkaa formula ykkösissä.

- Neuvottelut ovat käynnissä. Toivottavasti saamme jotain valmista mieluummin ennemmin kuin myöhemmin. Jos sopimus on oikeanlainen, on hän varmasti F1:ssä ensi vuonna. Asia ratkaistaan kahden seuraavan viikon aikana, Robertson sanoo MTV3:lle.

Isn't this what you asked for,.,. ?

One guy has a world championship, the other one doesn't.



Enjoy it, Giacomo. I guess it's been a while.

I knew there was some alcohol involved..

wiry Robertson says,that Kimi is eager to continue in F1 and next 2 weeks we will hear something if the contract situation allows.

"We are negotiating. Hopefully we'll have something resolved sooner rather than later. If the contract is the right kind, he (i.e. Kimi) will definitely be in F1 next year. The matter will be settled within the next two weeks."

Another two weeks? Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick!

I have feeling after this it will be another 2 weeks and then another......

The point is some here do a lot of work to prove Massa beat Kimi over the period of 2007 & 2008. Go and ask Felipe Massa directly - I would like to hear his answer to that. It would be pretty amazing if he thinks he beat Kimi. But then again he has quite an ego for such a small man so he could think he did beat Kimi.

1 < 2
3 < 4

Guess who has the smaller (better) numbers? Kimi. Of course you knew that already. It's quite simple logic, really. The one with the better results in the WDC is the one who has to be seen as the winner, if you want to find out a winner.

Of course, if this doesn't please you, then you can invent new Championships, like the most points over 2 years et cetera. It's just too bad they are not recognised by the official authority of F1, the FIA.

About the stable part. Kimi does have more stable performances. He is a more stable person as far as what he and Felipe show to the outside goes. And he also is more stable in the race tracks when driving a F1 car. This is a very firm opinion and you will be hard-pressed to convince a lot of people it isn't true.

That was 2007. Funny to see people deleted 2008 and 2009 out of their minds.

Reminds me of my old pal yr, who always used to erase the first half of seasons from his analysis. A habit which took an abrupt halt in 2008...

mursuka80, kismet, thank you!
i can't wait any longer

Anssi
The point is some here do a lot of work to prove Massa beat Kimi over the period of 2007 & 2008.


First sentence - totaly failure. It's about 2008 and 2009-til-Hungary. Go and check the point scores.

Guess what it doesn't change my point - they are racing in a Championship and I consider the Championship results what determine who "won". Felipe won in 2008 but overall Kimi wins as he has better results. This year isn't fair as Felipe isn't racing to the end as we all know.

Or do you want to have some new Championships? Perhaps propose to the FIA that there must be this "2008 and 2009-til-Hungary" Championship! And hey, woah, nice way to leave out 2007 from that

A lot of other people also considered the same, I've seen people post about the points they got in total over the period of 2007 & 2008 many times. It's weird twisted shit to use that to prove Massa beat Kimi. That's why I say go and ask Felipe does he feel he beat Kimi - if he is sensible he will say "no".

THIS IS NOT KIMI VS MASSA THREAD!!! Havent we debated this shit to death? It was a draw

Approximately five people actually care about any of that tedious Kimi/Massa crap but yeah, by all means, let's ruin yet another thread with that 'debate'.

Agree, I think that all the BS that Kimi likes to stay away from is passed down to his fans.. - of course, I can't generalize because there are a few folks that have a very cool sense of humor and don't patronize the nonsense (Anssi I am looking at you) that gets written here.

Seriously, Kimi has one Gold and one Bronze. Felipe has one Silver. Now tell me with a straight face it's Felipe who was in fact better? Quite a way to be better and collect less trophies at the FIA gala in Monaco.

You know that KR was beaten when his fans are pleading a draw.

Do you watch the F1 races? Tell me with a straight face Felipe Massa is a more stable F1 race driver or a more stable person compared to Kimi Räikkönen.

No dude.I have learned to put things in perspective.Nothing more.

Point, game, set and match

It's not a draw, the one is a Champion and the other one is not. Felipe has collected less trophies at the end of the season in the FIA gala - that should tell any sensible person it is not a draw, especially when the guy with more trophies is a Champion.

Agreed, if 'putting things in perspective' means 'adjusting reality towards agenda'.

I hope KR announces his retirement tomorrow.

Enough with the bashing and trolling, keep the thread on topic.

That wouldn't solve anything, we'll still be here debating this increasingly retarded nonsense for the next 20 years. As that Piquet vs Senna thread this week proved.

I am very sorry - I thought people would understand that a team in the beginning of a season is very likely to say that this year and this years drivers will be better than the one that got away. No matter what driver or team. Massa has been getting his act together and improved a lot. No question about that. You can actually think so and at the same time think that Kimi is a very good driver.

Having just heard the original statement in English, it's actually "things".

Paraphrased: "I hope we'll have a Finnish talker in the team next year. Or two! Haha. Things are close with two Finnish drivers at the moment. But we'll see."

Then he said they'll sit down with Heikki after the race but in the meanwhile he can totally win the Abu Dhabi GP and yada yada... which didn't exactly create the impression that they've spent the past few weeks ironing out the details of Heikki's contract extension.

Why would the Sauber team have a special agenda and try to make Massa look better than Kimi if he weren't? Everything that is said in F1 is absolute truth, word!

Very interesting to know. Thank you!

You like your statistics, don't you. Here's some more:

07 Kimi beats Massa
08 Massa beats Kimi
09 Kimi beats Massa

No excuses, just facts. Live with it.

It´s 2010, not 2001.

I guess you deserve huge compiment, after all. Since there are so many Kimi fanboys in the internet, somebody must participate every Kimi thread out there, to show them the Truth. Maybe one day they´ll learn their lesson? For a moment I though you had an axe to grind because of Kimi vs some dude at McLaren few years ago. My sincere apoligies.

Can we discuss Kimi in 2010 now?




PS. I will bookmark some of your comments:



Just in the case if Kimi vs JPM in 2005-06 pops up again ;-)