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Yellowmc
Sign any contract!
Craven Morehead
Sign the damn Merc contract & kick ass in 2010!
halifaxf1fan
QUOTE (JamesHunt @ Dec 1 2009, 01:15) *
I think that they had Citroen deal in the hands and now are waiting for Merc to make "perfect" offer that Kimi wants.


if you are right then kimi can't lose. sign with citroen for millions, or sign with merc for millions or sign nothing for millions. (all with redbull on the side!)
Callisto
QUOTE (intelligentsia @ Dec 1 2009, 00:10) *
That is an interesting remark, could it be that they are perhaps waiting to see exactly how Mercedes does in the up and coming testing before committing to any deals?

Of course it could also mean that the Citroen contract is already signed for all we know, it is just a bit strange that this waiting game continues.

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i dont understand this bit.are you talking about the young driver tests?.surley they will be driving this years cars
Callisto
p.s sign the damm merc contract!!!! roflmao.gif
carbuff
Sign the Merc GP contract already.
We Indians do not have access to WRC, just 1 hours specials on star sports that is telecast many days past the event.

Pls remain in F1.
sleenster
Has a Merc contract even been offered to Kimi?
SilentKiller
QUOTE (carbuff @ Dec 1 2009, 09:22) *
Sign the Merc GP contract already.
We Indians do not have access to WRC, just 1 hours specials on star sports that is telecast many days past the event.

Pls remain in F1.


+1 yup.....
The WRC show showcases the whole Rally in just 1 hour, but about a month afterwards. ohwell.gif

Sign the Merc contract Kimi for all your crazy Asian fans sake.

SilentKiller
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 30 2009, 18:13) *
Link

I also notice your favourite is Kimi. wave.gif

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/27/who-...r-of-2009-poll/
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zarooch
QUOTE (SilentKiller @ Dec 1 2009, 09:46) *



clap.gif meh` like we guys need any confirmation/polls to know this roflmao.gif

He is THE best.

Kimi go WRC, don't do this Merc deal. I'm not positive at all about their 2010 car.
mclarenplayer
QUOTE (Odvan @ Nov 30 2009, 21:29) *
Relax tomorrow he will open press-conference and wrote Kimi's speech. It's usual practice - deny because it's still not official and he is official person.

Also they might postponed announce because of that silly confirmation.

Source?
Anssi
Wake me up when there is an official announcement cat.gif
vida
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 1 2009, 07:06) *
Wake me up when there is an official announcement cat.gif


+1 drunk.gif
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (SilentKiller @ Dec 1 2009, 15:46) *

That poll was clearly stacked; members from the Kimi Raikkonen forums got into it. Most of the members - and even the owner, Keith - admit it.

But winning a poll on a fansite isn't going to save Kimi's career.
LuckyStrike1
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Nov 30 2009, 14:10) *
You don't need to argue with me about it, because my point was not that F1 wouldn't survive the departure of Kimi. Of course, it would. My point was only that the argument that Massa was chosen over Kimi by Ferrari because of marketing reasons don't seem to hold water since Kimi is a lot more popular driver than Massa.



Well there are many arguments for that choice. One would be is that Massa is better liked and viewed as the better driver overall by Ferrari, which seems to be quite a strong argument. Another argument: Massa is much better value for money. He gets better results than Kimi, works harder off track than Kimi and works more with the team developing the team and the car than Kimi - and all that for a much lower salary, plus he is very popular also outside Brazil.
denthierry
QUOTE (LuckyStrike1 @ Dec 1 2009, 08:43) *
Well there are many arguments for that choice. One would be is that Massa is better liked and viewed as the better driver overall by Ferrari, which seems to be quite a strong argument. Another argument: Massa is much better value for money. He gets better results than Kimi, works harder off track than Kimi and works more with the team developing the team and the car than Kimi - and all that for a much lower salary, plus he is very popular also outside Brazil.



yeah right... in Venezuela perhaps?
SpaMaster
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Nov 30 2009, 23:41) *
That poll was clearly stacked; members from the Kimi Raikkonen forums got into it. Most of the members - and even the owner, Keith - admit it.

But winning a poll on a fansite isn't going to save Kimi's career.

Why do you feel the need to be patronizing about Kimi's career? What makes you think he is trying to 'save' his career? If saving is how he saw it and wanted a seat, he would have got one at McLaren or Mercedes somehow. He has life outside F1 and has many interests. Do you think it is any coincedence that he gets a top rally seat the moment he wants to go there? Stop joking around that he is trying to "save" his career. He is fiddling around with F1. If he leaves F1 for good, he won't even be thinking about it. The moment Ferrari dropped him every other top team (McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull) were interested in him. If he wants to stay, he has all the options to stay. Not many F1 driver would have the luxury of getting a top rally car right away. His Rally Finland outing last year was that impressive. He is THAT good. So, stop presenting a picture like he is a Hedifed or a Trulli who is trying desperately to be in F1. He is not your everyday sucker for F1 and its show.
LuckyStrike1
QUOTE (denthierry @ Dec 1 2009, 08:58) *
yeah right... in Venezuela perhaps?



You're right. Stupid of me.

The decision was based purely on performance which is why Kimi was thrown out of the team, you are right.
SpaMaster
QUOTE (LuckyStrike1 @ Dec 1 2009, 00:24) *
You're right. Stupid of me.

The decision was based purely on performance which is why Kimi was thrown out of the team, you are right.

Did denthierry say anything like it for you to say "you are right"? roflmao.gif
ReAlien
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Nov 30 2009, 21:26) *
Finally, a reason to follow the WRC on a regular basis...

Although, considering the minimalistic coverage provided, that'll be a bit of a challenge ambivalent.gif


3 days full of live timing, radio interviews and TV reviews - how does it fit to "minimalistic coverage"? eek.gif
ReAlien
QUOTE (Clatter @ Nov 30 2009, 21:26) *
Will that many people start watching WRC just because of KR?


For sure. I for one.
ReAlien
QUOTE (undersquare @ Nov 30 2009, 22:06) *
It's funny with Kimi being so shy and quiet (when he'n not in Party Boy mode) but he is a star. Mums have heard of him.

By the way, my mom is a fan of Kimi, yes. She always sympathized with him since McLaren years - and she is no F1 fan at all, just unlucky to be in a family of F1 freaks. smoking.gif
Stuntflyer
QUOTE (sleenster @ Dec 1 2009, 04:21) *
Has a Merc contract even been offered to Kimi?

Jean-Louis Moncet wrote on his blog three days ago that according to a close source at Mercedes Kimi always was in their list of potential drivers and even number one alongside Rosberg.
http://blog.autoplus.fr/moncet/
ReAlien
QUOTE (carbuff @ Dec 1 2009, 05:52) *
Sign the Merc GP contract already.
We Indians do not have access to WRC, just 1 hours specials on star sports that is telecast many days past the event.

Pls remain in F1.


Live timing and radio broadcasting is open to any internet connected fan.
HSJ
QUOTE (grunge @ Dec 1 2009, 02:25) *
sign the darn merc contract !!! for once


Seconded. I'd love to see Kimi at Merc, working with Brawn. This has been my #1 choice even when the McLaren seat seemed most likely. Do some rallies before and after F1 season, maybe a couple even during the season, but come on, don't give up on F1 yet.

If Merc don't get Kimi, there's no one really good left. Nick is okay, so is Robert (about the same as Nick it would seem), but not great. Heck, I think Nico Rosberg could/would beat Nick or Robert as teammates... So there are two very good reasons for this: Kimi in F1 and Merc having a top-notch driver. Brawn and Merc could build a great car that would be wasted if they don't get Kimi - unless Nico really raises his game, which is entirely possible of course.



RodrigoL
QUOTE (ReAlien @ Dec 1 2009, 08:53) *
3 days full of live timing, radio interviews and TV reviews - how does it fit to "minimalistic coverage"? eek.gif


Are you involved in PR? wink.gif

Let's try examining the thing most people care about: TV coverage...

You get a 30min highlight show per day, unless you subscribe to their channel, with few onboards. Only enough time to show the leading drivers through stages..

This compares to around 2-3(!) hours per day currently in F1. With full live coverage. And an onboard feed (for races). Sure, rallies are much longer, but the material provided doesn't justify staying home on a Saturday 10pm to watch a highlights show.. ohwell.gif
Jordana
QUOTE (ReAlien @ Dec 1 2009, 09:58) *
By the way, my mom is a fan of Kimi, yes. She always sympathized with him since McLaren years - and she is no F1 fan at all, just unlucky to be in a family of F1 freaks. smoking.gif



Same with my Mom, crazy about Kimi since his arrival at Sauber and we all (she included) are F1 nuts so no problem about it ... Now, she is starting to get interested in WRC... I wonder why? lol.gif
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (HSJ @ Dec 1 2009, 10:04) *
Seconded. I'd love to see Kimi at Merc, working with Brawn. This has been my #1 choice even when the McLaren seat seemed most likely. Do some rallies before and after F1 season, maybe a couple even during the season, but come on, don't give up on F1 yet.

If Merc don't get Kimi, there's no one really good left. Nick is okay, so is Robert (about the same as Nick it would seem), but not great. Heck, I think Nico Rosberg could/would beat Nick or Robert as teammates... So there are two very good reasons for this: Kimi in F1 and Merc having a top-notch driver. Brawn and Merc could build a great car that would be wasted if they don't get Kimi - unless Nico really raises his game, which is entirely possible of course.

Pure logic. Now if you could somehow convey that message to Kimi? wink.gif
Right now we pretty much have no clue as to what he really wants. Rally? F1? Both? Red Bull in 2011? No ****ing idea. In fact - we dont even know for sure who he and the Robertsons are in serious talks with. The reports and rumours say one thing one day and another the next. Which leads me to believe that every website and pundit out there have no clue and are just guessing wildly.
grunge
QUOTE (ReAlien @ Dec 1 2009, 13:53) *
3 days full of live timing, radio interviews and TV reviews - how does it fit to "minimalistic coverage"? eek.gif

yes and no ''live tv coverage''.

im not trying to dumb u down..just stating the fact that without live pictures or full recorded video shown later,its no fun. ambivalent.gif
glorius&victorius
QUOTE (Yellowmc @ Dec 1 2009, 01:52) *
Sign any contract!

roflmao.gif
glorius&victorius
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Dec 1 2009, 08:41) *
That poll was clearly stacked; members from the Kimi Raikkonen forums got into it. Most of the members - and even the owner, Keith - admit it.

But winning a poll on a fansite isn't going to save Kimi's career.



who says he needs any saving... if he wanted to be saved.. he'd sign any contract long before...
Mauseri
If Kimi resigned from Ferrari and didn't sign for McLaren ... what is the chance of him signing Mercedes? Quite low I think. Good luck to rallying.
Clatter
QUOTE (Bianchimont @ Dec 1 2009, 11:02) *
If Kimi resigned from Ferrari and didn't sign for McLaren ... what is the chance of him signing Mercedes? Quite low I think. Good luck to rallying.


Resigned? You make it sound like he went of his own free will.
OSX
"AUTOSPORT understands, however, that Raikkonen is set to sign a contract with Citroen in the next 24 hours."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80382
Odvan
QUOTE (ReAlien @ Dec 1 2009, 12:03) *
Live timing and radio broadcasting is open to any internet connected fan.

That's like phone sex or with rubber doll. wave.gif
craftverk
QUOTE (OSX @ Dec 1 2009, 11:07) *
"AUTOSPORT understands, however, that Raikkonen is set to sign a contract with Citroen in the next 24 hours."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80382

Been expecting that. Don't understand how people could actually see him in F1 after Button signed for McLaren.
LuckyStrike1
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ Dec 1 2009, 09:33) *
Did denthierry say anything like it for you to say "you are right"? roflmao.gif



That's the attitude you have to adapt in topics like this to fit in you know ;)
ReAlien
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 1 2009, 11:14) *
Are you involved in PR?wink.gif

Let's try examining the thing most people care about: TV coverage...

You get a 30min highlight show per day, unless you subscribe to their channel, with few onboards. Only enough time to show the leading drivers through stages..

This compares to around 2-3(!) hours per day currently in F1. With full live coverage. And an onboard feed (for races). Sure, rallies are much longer, but the material provided doesn't justify staying home on a Saturday 10pm to watch a highlights show.. ohwell.gif


lol.gif No, in finance actually. Just do not want to see wrong things posted without comments ;)

The thing is that TV coverage of F1 sucks - most of the time it is pure boring to watch them do circles without overtaking. That led to the fact that almost each race I sit in front of my PC looking at live timing instead of the TV set - it is much more interesting.
The next thing better in WRC than in F1 is the radio interviews with the drivers after stages (in F1 you can hear someone talk during the race only if he retired already).
Mauseri
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 1 2009, 15:05) *
Resigned? You make it sound like he went of his own free will.

He rather took the money and ran away, than driving another year against the will of the team. I have the understanding that had Kimi insisted to stay, he would have. But if a team already have their eyes in another driver it would be a downhill.
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 1 2009, 12:05) *
Resigned? You make it sound like he went of his own free will.

He did. He could have kept to his contract and raced in red next year, but stated himself that he left when he knew that the team was pushing for Alonso.
ReAlien
QUOTE (Odvan @ Dec 1 2009, 13:09) *
That's like phone sex or with rubber doll. wave.gif

Yeah, which reminds me about you sitting in front of PC looking at live timing half of the race. lol.gif

I already did follow WRC events this year and it was pure fun even without TV reviews in the end of the day (who said they do them next month?)
Clatter
QUOTE (Desdirodeabike @ Dec 1 2009, 11:16) *
He did. He could have kept to his contract and raced in red next year, but stated himself that he left when he knew that the team was pushing for Alonso.


If it makes you feel better then you stick with that.
JamesHunt
Autosport ? So its over. No more F1 hopes.
Odvan
QUOTE (ReAlien @ Dec 1 2009, 14:17) *
Yeah, which reminds me about you sitting in front of PC looking at live timing half of the race. lol.gif

It's not true - maybe couple of laps or more probably in quali - but not half of the race.

BTW probably I wouldn't follow WRC because of Kimi - of course I will read reports but that's all.
Buttoneer
QUOTE (JamesHunt @ Dec 1 2009, 11:27) *
Autosport ? So its over. No more F1 hopes.

Think of it as the start of new rally hopes.
JamesHunt
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Dec 1 2009, 13:30) *
Think of it as the start of new rally hopes.

Should I be happy ?
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 1 2009, 12:22) *
If it makes you feel better then you stick with that.

What? Whatever dude. It doesnt make me feel either way. Just stating the facts. When Kimi says himself he could have raced for Ferrari next year if he wanted to, why would he lie about that. He is not exactly the kind of guy to do that. Besides, there was a contract which is fact. And unless he agreed to leave, then he would have raced in red. But who wants to stay at a workplace in that kind of environment.
Why are you in this thread anyway if you just are here to bash and bring people off-topic?
Buttoneer
QUOTE (JamesHunt @ Dec 1 2009, 11:33) *
Should I be happy ?

I'm sure Kimi is.
Anssi
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 1 2009, 13:22) *
If it makes you feel better then you stick with that.



If you have a problem with that view then you need to take it to Kimi Räikkönen and fight it out with him. It's his words people here are using as the basis for that opinion.


You need to seriously consider what could Ferrari have done had Kimi insisted he stays - fire him and let Kimi sue them for massive damages? I don't think so - had he insisted he stays, they would have let him stay.

In my opinion, the thing about what was said by Ferrari "it changed in the recent few days" what changed was Kimi changed his mind about staying. That's what opened the door for Fernando to come in one year early. This opinion is in my opinion in line with everything the Ferrari bosses, Kimi and Alonso have said. Alonso himself has said at least on 2 different occasions "it was a surprise".

You also need to consider that Kimi was not fired - he agreed to terminate the contract. That does not equal to being fired. Getting fired is when you don't want to go but the boss tells you to go any ways.
ReAlien
QUOTE (Odvan @ Dec 1 2009, 13:28) *
It's not true - maybe couple of laps or more probably in quali - but not half of the race.

BTW probably I wouldn't follow WRC because of Kimi - of course I will read reports but that's all.

You are not his fan, then. smoking.gif
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