And Sir John Young "Jackie" Stewart said he has a feeling Kimi will be at Mclaren next year.

I will start it with others mates through Marina GP.

Did you hear Hamiltons radio transmission whilst jys was commenting ?

Hamilton: My bums burning!
Engineer: We're looking into it.


Ewww

Flat and Out:
You like your statistics, don't you. Here's some more:
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09 Kimi beats Massa
No excuses, just facts. Live with it.

Kimi pretty much said he´ll drive for McLaren, "if the contract pleases him" ;)

Robertson says the same, plus adds the matter will be solved in next two weeks.

read how everything developed.. someone asked for Peter's quote, perhaps as in not believing that had been said.. The quote is then provided and then put down by a fanboy as irrelevant.. - - this has nothing to do with Kimi at all but more so about his fans in this forum which are hilarious..

for?

There is difference in argumentation.. The dude is picking races to demonstrate Kimi is better overall when Massa outscored him - In 2005 we can pick races to demonstrate JPM could "match" Kimi on a given day despite the car not suiting him.. .. BIG difference..

How come?!?

But the main point is the following: the very existence of the debate about who beat who is automatically Räikkönen's defeat to Massa. There should have been no doubt, Räikkönen should have been convincing and he was not, for whatever reason.

Hopefully he would have a chance to prove himself next year and restore his reputation. Now, as a Ferrari fan I would like to see him beaten by Alonso but I wouldn't mind if he beats his teammate.

GC

Another 2 weeks?????

FFS..

Methinks we will hear something on Tuesday..

J

I think Kimi is not very happy about F1.. he also wants to do Rally at the same time. I like that actually.. Kubica is doing Rally in France also is what I learned.. Not many F1 drivers today want to try different things - that should be admired, Massa is also doing two karting events this year. - If mclaren allows him to do this he is in, if they don't, he'll take a sabbatical.. Mclaren are too strict - maybe Ron taking over again is going to make Kimi rethink his priorities and wishes.

True. It´s all about JPM, and 2005-06.

It is by no means coincidence that so many JPM fans spend most of their time here participating Kimi threads, to save the world from Kimi fanboys. What was that saying about pot, kettle and stuff?

What? Have i missed this news too when my PC was broken

But he said it two weeks ago? Deja vu.

Good. Finally a post about Kimi in 2010, and you actually made some good points.

Kimi is hinting - rather strongly - that he wants to do rallying next year. Lots of folks have assumed the negotiation are all about salary; I think few rally events and the amount of PR days are the key.

Nah - I am not Kimi's fanboy. I think you understand what I meant if you try. But you will have to try. Maybe for a couple of seconds or for a long time. But in the end you might get it.

I don't understand how the rallying will work, what car will he drive, what races, how will it fit in, what about injury, doesn't show commitment, if he is doing all this then I can see why mclaren don't want to pay him much, Kimi wants to be a part time F1 driver.

I saw the 09 drivers salaries and $45m for Kimi is astonishing. Don't get me wrong, he's a very fast driver, but how did he and his management think he was worth that much? He might of gone up to $45m after winning the WDC but before then he was rumoured to be on $30m before then, even that figure is astonishing for someone who hadn't won a WDC.

Alonso and Hamilton are both WDC and yet they aren't demanding huge salaries. Kimi's figure doubles theirs.

I personally think that if Kimi was cheaper, Ferrari would of kept him, but for $45m for no leadership and straight get into the car and drive is far, far too much. He's not even that marketable.

I have to say that I blame Ron Dennis for it. He bought Kimi for a ridiculous amount and the renewal and buy out options put into his contract by his management shot his salary into multiple WDC levels, when he hadn't won any. From there his management was always going to push it higher.

How is he a part time F1 driver when there is no testing and theres a itch to drive something? Do you rather take Kova?

I would actually, someone who's main interest is competing in F1 for McLaren.

I know to you everything is about JPM.. you are his fanboy too.. At least on the NASCAR threads.. If JPM was not in NASCAR you would not even be following that series..

JPM left F1 a very long time ago yet I am still glued to the TV on F1 weekends and attend GPs.

are you serious? you think Ron would have offered him that much if his management didn't push for it? don't tell me Ron's stupid enough to accept it, cos Ferrari did the same.

Nice.

So 2008-til-Silverstone Kimi beat Massa. And what next? Uh! 2009-til-Turkey Kimi beat M.

You also could divide half-till-seasons for smaller parts - whatever you wish.

It seems you like correctness but really i don't get your point. Massa beat Kimi (once with some circumstances) but what it really change ?

This is what most mclaren fans are wishing for it happens if Mercedes decide to break apart and go to Brawn.

His main interest is F1 and i dont get where you get it isnt.In old days they did it all the time,so why is it problem now? Fear is it?

I think I agree with this. I have a gut feeling that after his 2008 performance Ferrari asked Kimi to renegotiate and lower his salary and he refused - I think this is part of the reason why they sacked him..

Aah! Wishful thinking i see.I thought it was real news.

why? a broken PC?

On the Sauber comments about Raikkonen's and Massa's first tests....

You all do realize that Massa had more experience in more powerful formulas before his first test, right? Raikkonen pretty much jumped straight from driving Formula Renault cars to a F1 car. Meanwhile, Massa had a year in Formula 3000, which at the time was MUCH better preparation for a Formula One car. Formula 3000 was basically GP2 at the time of it's existence, so think about the difference between a driver who has raced nothing more powerful than Formula Renault jumping into a F1 car for the first time and a driver from GP2 jumping into a F1 car for the first time.

I'm not saying that one is better than the other. I'm just saying that there's a lot behind a driver's performance in his first F1 test.

Fear, no, the main sticking point of the contract talks with mclaren seem to be revolving around how little he can do for mclaren, his interest isn't fully f1 centered, hello, he;s not even desperate for a driver, he's willing to retire, I'd want someone who wants to drive one of my F1 cars, not, well I could do but only if you allow me to follow anohter career at the same time.

Well, we'll never know if Massa would have beaten Kimi, would we? We can spend the rest of our lives beating hypothetical situations to death. However, if as Kimi says Ferrari got the F60 to work in the way that he wants it to work, then I suspect the trend of Massa beating Kimi we saw at the beginning of the year may have been reversed.

I don't look at what Kimi did in relation to Massa earlier this year. I look at just individual examples of inspiration that really don't have anything to do with the results he ultimately achieved. For instance, look at his start in Hungary; yes, he had KERS, but he was VERY aggressive, went for a gap that wasn't there and made it work, didn't give a damn about nearly swiping Hamilton off, and just willed his way up the grid. Just in that one instance, he showed determination and focus that just didn't seem to be there in the first half of the season. I don't think that really has anything to do with Massa at all.

What is this crap that he is not willing to do things for Mclaren? Facts or just Lewis fan wishing for a whipping boy who will put his knees on the floor.Kimi is better option than anyone who is on a market and that is a fact.

Sure. I'm not saying that it isn't.

I think that guy thought I'm someone I'm not when he first picked an argument with me.

Actually it's Rampf silly comment because there wasn't real direct comparison between Massa and Kimi. Also I remember real Peter S. comment where he said on one lap there is no difference but race pace is another story. The same comment Ferrari did in winter 2008.

Does this make me an official member of JPM Boyz? Hey, I´ll take it. Now more accusations of being a JPM basher whenever I refuse to accept some, uh, creative theories about McLaren 2005-06. Now I need some cool JPM avatar, like a pic of Monty eating some tacos

I have one confession to make, though. This will ruin my chances of becoming real tol level JPM fanboy, but I did watch NASCAR before JPM moved there. Don´t mix up watching NASCAR and participating NASCAR threads ;-) Not many of them on this board, until 2006...

News reports of his contract talks. As for Lewis fan wishing for a whipping boy, tut, tut, I want a driver that is commited to F1 and McLaren, kimi doesn't seem to be.
I would rather take someone who is slower but is fully commited.

We don't know what Massa would have done in the car had he continued on. And I acknowledged that the car also improved in contending that his improvement in results is down to both factors, car and driver.



More like just a few months. You seem to be forgetting that certain World Championship in his first year with the team?

On a personal note, I hate having discussions with you. As far as I can tell, you are the most arrogant person on the forum. I can have great conversations going back and forth with Columbo, with whom I may disagree on some things and yet still have an intelligent an civil conversation in which the two of us concede when someone else has a good point. You are completely incapable of having that kind of conversation. So either change your ways, or don't ever engage me in a conversation again.

I hope Kimi stays in F1, be it with McLaren, if he does then 2010 will be a great year with (hopefully) both Ferrari and McLaren competing against Brawn, Red Bull and others for the wins. This year has been surreal partly because we have had such a topsy turvy grid. And besides despite his nonchalant attitude with the media, Kimi is great behind the wheel of any vehicle and has years left in him to compete in F1.

The 2009 season hasn't even finished yet and LH fans are already in full force attacking Kimi. The 2010 season is going to be very long and hard for the fans of McLaren's nº2 driver fans here.

Yep. That's why Kimi said Mac his only option. Not Toyota or anything else. This guy is definitely don't want to be in F1. Like i said before - autosport board is antonym to word logic.

That would be just stupid it really would.

To you maybe, but I want someone who will work to try and make the team a success, not sorry Martin, I down for doing some rallying this weekend.

So basically you are saying that all the drivers in a past,who drove in other serieses besides F1 were not commited.What is there to do if testing is not allowed? This is the time in F1 where drivers have little input in car development,which was not the case in 60`s and 70`s when most drivers drove other cars too.

Ron Dennis is waiting for your job application.

Yes. Alonso may not know what's going to hit him next year. Massa is one of the top guys, for sure.

After all this years of insulting Ferrari for their policy during the Schumacher era, McLaren fans have already realised that having a strong nº1 driver and a lapdog is the best way to run a successful team, too bad they are so incredibly hypocrital about it.

I wish he beat Felipe badly - Ferrari design philosophy suit him and he isn't calm, quiet guy. Plus he is Domi man. Plus I have doubts Massa will be the same as before trauma.

It's just a bad translation. He said: "En jaksa kinata kenenkään kanssa. Se ei johda mihinkään."

It's the Finnish way to say "I don't like arguments. They lead nowhere."

Nothing to do with energy or being tired.

Nope. I'm a McLaren fan, and I still maintain that equality is the best way.

I don't know if Alonso is Domenicalli's man, but Massa is Todt's man, for sure. Maybe JT is going to be for Massa in 2010 what Balestre was for Prost in 1989.

will that be your excuse when that happens_ ?

The last few years and this season certainly give us a very good idea what massa could have done, which would be matching kimi at minimum.


He struggled for the first 3rd of 2007 and ever since 2008.

I dont know what you are talking about. I gladly concede when someone makes good points, problem is when your arguing from a wrong stance, its awfully hard to make good points.