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Ural
QUOTE (Anssi @ Oct 28 2009, 17:13) *
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Jazza_26
Between DC and Rubens for me although we've seen how frustrated Rubens can get when things never went his way.

DC in Melbourne in 1998 showed great sportsmanship when he let Mika through after their agreement and never challenged it either.

...and hello to the forum. wave.gif
Atreiu
Hill was good for Prost and Williams in 1993. Wins, podiums, strong races.
wati
Eddie Irvine - I rate him higher than Barri.
DOHC
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Oct 28 2009, 00:03) *
Meh, Andretti destroyed Peterson pretty much all season. Mario was the better driver...


Although one seems to recall that 1:16.80 pole lap by Peterson at Brands in 1978...

Mario, who was a very rounded driver, was the better developer of the car. But when he had set it up Ronnie would typically be faster with Mario's setup... Weird guy, that Peterson.

britishtrident
Clay Regazzoni
Graham Hill
Owen
Well Rubens was willing to donate wins to his team mate. But so was Kimi. And so was DC.
THE "driverider"
It's strange because Britain could have had 12 world champions, with Peter Collins ans Stirling Moss but that's sportsmanship and tremendous lack of selfishness for you. Francois was a great number 2 to Sir Jackie and was taught bye the great man to become Tyrrells number 1 alas it was not meant to be. Ronnie Peterson was an excellent number 2 and (is said) to have had a great relationship with Mario Andretti.

Another name that could be mentioned, Gerhard Berger?
Tenmantaylor
Has to be Rubens. Consistently managed to both prove he is a top driver yet is totally wiling to take a right royal sausage up the chuff at the same time. And that was just Austria 02.
MegaManson
Alonso in 2007 @ McLaren

But excluding Alonso its Irvine for me
roxu
Hamilton by far
Mekola
Reutemann was a good #2 of Lauda in 1977, of Andretti in 1979 and of Jones... only in 1980.
FNG
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Oct 28 2009, 23:26) *
Has to be Rubens. Consistently managed to both prove he is a top driver yet is totally wiling to take a right royal sausage up the chuff at the same time. And that was just Austria 02.

Hilarious! Spat water all over my keyboard. I'm still laughing. Good job sir

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911
Ronnie Peterson
911
QUOTE (Andretti Fan @ Oct 28 2009, 10:08) *
Guys, the Andretti-Peterson argument has been going on for 31 years now and we're never gonna have a satisfactory answer, because one of the two guys who know the truth isn't with us anymore. I prefer to just remember the results they achieved, and the great friendship they had, something that is really rare today in F1.



Yes, their relationship was rare & genuine. I remembered reading something that Mario wrote and he said that when he went to Watkins Glen after Peterson's death, he looked across the track and saw a sign that said, "Hey, Mario, win this one for Ronnie." Mario said that it hit him really hard and he wanted to win that race for him.
ashnathan
Coulthard was a great number 2 driver. but, Heikki Kovalainen is also a good number 2.
Simon Says
Rubens ofcourse. Has there ever been a more succesfull driiving pairing then MS & Rubens? wave.gif

edit: And he doesn't mind bending over for MS and take it in the butt roflmao.gif
jockellis
A case could be made for Lorenzo Bandini who backed up John Surtees at Ferrari. It had to be tough to keep that 12 cyl. from passing the more reliable but less powerful V-8. I bet he wore out lots of brake pads.
Number 2 being the worst job in the world? Don't most of us just wish we could make the field in one grand prix race? Reminds me of US Olympic skater Nancy Kerrigan's mother. When she was shown looking at her daughter performing on a tv screen inches from her face because of her poor vision, a television commentator said he felt sorry for her. Is he crazy? How many of us will ever see our children in the Olympics at all? I'd be happy to see my son winning the metric mile even if I couldn't see but a blur.
Jock Ellis
pingu666
ryan briscoe in 08 was pretty awsome, and another oddball one, paul drayson. number two, AND pays the bills to go racing biggrin.gif. plus he changed the FIA's mind... redface.gif
Just waiting
QUOTE (ensign14 @ Oct 27 2009, 18:03) *
Meh, Andretti destroyed Peterson pretty much all season. Mario was the better driver...

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Just waiting
QUOTE (roxu @ Oct 28 2009, 17:29) *
Hamilton by far

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Just waiting
QUOTE (DOHC @ Oct 28 2009, 15:36) *
Although one seems to recall that 1:16.80 pole lap by Peterson at Brands in 1978...

Mario, who was a very rounded driver, was the better developer of the car. But when he had set it up Ronnie would typically be faster with Mario's setup... Weird guy, that Peterson.

dream on....face it, Mario ruled.

And formula one was a part time hobby for him
FastMex
Fernando Alonso at Ron Dennis' McLaren (2007)
giacomo
1973 Cevert at Tyrrell.
1978 Peterson at Lotus.
DePortago
QUOTE (roxu @ Oct 28 2009, 23:29) *
Hamilton by far


Allow me a correction: the Nº2 driver at McLaren in 2007 was Alonso, not Lewis. up.gif
Henrytheeigth
QUOTE (RJL @ Oct 28 2009, 09:54) *
Let's not forget Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 2008.


That's exactly what I want to do!

Yea Barrichello...lol
WACKO
QUOTE (Lord Snooty @ Oct 28 2009, 16:49) *
This

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Indeed and with honour. Collins himself could have taken the title there, but gave his car to Fangio. If any, the most unselfish act in the sport's history.
klyster
QUOTE (WACKO @ Nov 1 2009, 10:57) *
Indeed and with honour. Collins himself could have taken the title there, but gave his car to Fangio. If any, the most unselfish act in the sport's history.


This is the stuff I like hearing about, what a guy! up.gif

He gets my vote.
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (Owen @ Oct 28 2009, 23:34) *
Well Rubens was willing to donate wins to his team mate. But so was Kimi. And so was DC.

rubens received more wins than he's donated...;)
Muz Bee
Really undefined what "best" means. The best driver at the time he was No 2 as opposed to "that he would become" or "support for No 1" or what???

I think Graham Hill, already a WDC support for the brilliant Clark at Lotus in 1967 (and beginning of 1968) was fantastic. Secured first pole for the Lotus 49 Cosworth on debut and was a very good development driver of his time. Very solid personality and a great character, makes people like Irvine and Rubens look like kids.

On the attack of Irvine (a pay driver of the highest quality) when promoted to No 1 after Schumie's Silverstone crash was pushed hard by sub driver Mika Salo who in fact had to move aside for Eddie who was miles down the track. Mika would get no reward for his generosity - I thought at the time he should go for broke and ignore team orders which were in vain in the big picture anyway.

Denny Hulme also an honorable mention for 1967 when he won Monaco and Nurburgring on the way to WDC beating his team leader fair and square.
Hairpin
QUOTE (Just waiting @ Nov 1 2009, 05:29) *
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What is so funny about that?
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