roadie
Oct 29 2009, 12:51
This is what we want. Halt everyone, evidence of character found in a F1 driver!
potmotr
Oct 29 2009, 12:51
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Oct 29 2009, 12:43)

Trulli believes that was Sutil did by giving no room was one of the most dangerous situations he had faced in F1 and that is going back to 1997.
Especially ironic given Trulli pretty much caused this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQBVDV1E7s
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Oct 29 2009, 13:45)

If he had come out and said "Yeah, I'm still pissed off and Sutil and I still don't agree. Screw it, that's racing and I won't let it happen next time." That would have hardly been been PC and he still would have made his point without looking silly.
Exactly, one would have expected Jarno to be a bit more mature about this, alas.
Just a thought wouldn't it be ironic if Sutil ends up in Jarno's Toyota seat in 2010
Captain Tightpants
Oct 29 2009, 12:56
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Oct 29 2009, 23:43)

Trulli believes that was Sutil did by giving no room was one of the most dangerous situations he had faced in F1 and that is going back to 1997.
Seriously, does Trulli just expect everyone to move over as soon as he appears in their wing mirrors?
His handling of the entire situation was extremely unprofessional. Now he's just getting pedantic. What does he hope to achieve? Does he want it to be reviewed and for Sutil to get a slap on the knuckles? Or is he just trying to make a fool out of himself?
wingwalker
Oct 29 2009, 12:56
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Oct 29 2009, 13:43)

Trulli believes that was Sutil did by giving no room was one of the most dangerous situations he had faced in F1 and that is going back to 1997.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79623He makes it sound like he was approaching a stationary car who then unexpectedly moved from its point and forced him onto the kerbs. I seriously can't understand how come driver with such experience can be so blinded by his own 'I do no wrong' mind setup. HE brought pictures to prove that SUTIL was in the wrong? It makes no sense at all.
primer
Oct 29 2009, 12:56
QUOTE
Q. Is this the worst incident of its type that you seen in Formula 1?
JT: Honestly, yes. That is why I was so bloody nervous afterwards when I jumped out of the car. To happen once is a racing accident – we might have a touch or we might bang wheels. But when someone does it deliberately at that speed, this is crazy. It is unacceptable. You cannot do that. It is like a straight – you are flat, and he basically sent me onto the kerbs and grass when I was on the straight. I cannot accept any apology, I am sorry. It is clear to anyone in the paddock that you cannot do that.
It's not about what Sutil did.
The real issue is Jarno's now afraid of accidents. He's freaked out because this fear is new to him, until now he has been banging wheels without fear for years. Time to retire, old man.
wingwalker
Oct 29 2009, 13:00
It would be funny if Kubica was there, as he would have most likely reminded Trulli of certain indicent from 2007. If what Sutil did was pushing Trulli onto the grass at high speed we can safely conclude that Trulli drove Kubica into the wall.
Q. Is this the worst incident of its type that you seen in Formula 1?
JT: Honestly, yes.
Yeah, you lost the car on the kerbs. Let's tell it like it is, it was the most dangerous incident in motor sport history.
Rinehart
Oct 29 2009, 13:00
QUOTE (potmotr @ Oct 29 2009, 12:51)

Especially ironic given Trulli pretty much caused this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQBVDV1E7sYup Trulli also drove the WRONG WAY down the track in Singapore in 2008 after spinning and wanted to save himself another lap to get back to the pits.
I think we should start a thread on 'Trulli caused incidents in F1'. I'm sure someone would point Adrian Sutil to it...!!!
Captain Tightpants
Oct 29 2009, 13:05
QUOTE (primer @ Oct 29 2009, 23:56)

It's not about what Sutil did.
The real issue is Jarno's now afraid of accidents. He's freaked out because this fear is new to him, until now he has been banging wheels without fear for years. Time to retire, old man.

The thing about the corners where the accident took place was that the racing line meant the drivers always crossed from the kerb on the inside of the corner to the kerb on the outside where Trulli and Sutil collided. Sutil had that racing line, and Trulli - who has raced at Interlagos countless times - would have to know that Sutil's trajectory would take his car there. It's not even something the drivers do by
choice; the physics of taking the second corner always pushes the car to the outside.
Phucaigh
Oct 29 2009, 13:18
The Trulli/Kubica incident was where rear and front tyres touched.
The Ragged Edge
Oct 29 2009, 13:19
Trulli is a big girls blouse. It was his over optimism that caused the crash.
Fallout
Oct 29 2009, 13:28
Wow. Just wow. How can one person be such a whiner? Amazing!
wingwalker
Oct 29 2009, 13:33
Transcription from PlanetF1:
QUOTE
Trulli: "Obviously it was very disappointing to end the race like that, especially on the first lap.
"I had every reason to be extremely furious. I've got all the evidence to show I was there and was next to him, and tomorrow we are going to discuss it."
Sutil: "There's nothing to discuss, it was quite an obvious incident.
"In the end it was very disappointing for me, even more because I was the one who was driving, and he lost control of his car and crashed into my back.
"It's not my problem. It's his problem. I don't know why he's freaking out like that to be honest."
Trulli: "I don't know if you're blind, but I can clearly show you my front wing is next to your front wing."
(Trulli then produced photographs to support his argument)
Sutil: "But you're trying to overtake me around the outside on the kerb. There was not a problem. You were off the power.
"The same happened in Barcelona where you lost control again and crashed again into a Force India car (Sutil).
"You have to sometimes respect the limits of the car. If you've nowhere to go, you have to back off. That's how racing is. I don't know how long you need to learn this."
Trulli: "In Barcelona I spun and he hit me because he cut the kerb, cut the circuit completely, and he didn't slow down."
Sutil: "I didn't hit you. You hit me. I don't know what is your problem. I really don't understand."
Asked what was said during their spat immediately after the accident, Trulli replied: "I was furious because he didn't see me.
"I was next to him and he kept on pushing me on the outside until I was obviously on the kerb."
Then the row continued:
Sutil: "It's not a problem to be on the kerb. Where's the problem?"
Trulli (sarcastically): "Yeah, no problem! As long as we know the rules."
Sutil: "I know the rules."
The verbal confrontation resulted in Alonso being asked for his opinion as he had a clear view of the incident prior to hitting Sutil.
With a smile, Alonso said: "I saw everything more or less, but as Jarno said we will discuss it in the drivers' briefing - deeply!"
Sutil needs to be suspended, you cant just force the guy next to you off the track like that. You also cannot make a U-Turn into oncoming traffic, the guy should go back to Go Karts and learn the basics of racing
Atreiu
Oct 29 2009, 13:42
QUOTE (Kucki @ Oct 29 2009, 11:34)

Sutil needs to be suspended, you cant just force the guy next to you off the track like that. You also cannot make a U-Turn into oncoming traffic, the guy should go back to Go Karts and learn the basics of racing
You forgot the sarcastic smiley.
TheArmchairCritic
Oct 29 2009, 13:43
Sutil on Racing Line and Trulli was being way too optimistic IMO, looked like Trulli got on the power to early and dropped it. Sutil couldn't really do anything as he was too busy avoiding Raikkonen, if Trulli wants to blame anyone blame Webber for the chop on Raikkonen which started this all. Anyway it doesn't matter now really does it. If I ever get pissed off at anyone it'll last 48hrs tops before I get over it, Trulli's been stewing for 2 whole weeks nearly which is pathetic.
umapathypon
Oct 29 2009, 13:49
QUOTE (roadie @ Oct 29 2009, 13:51)

This is what we want. Halt everyone, evidence of character found in a F1 driver!
Behaving like an immature idiot shows a lack of character,rather.
Claudius
Oct 29 2009, 13:50
Trulli seems to be either blind or stupid.
Or maybe both...
QUOTE (Kucki @ Oct 29 2009, 14:34)

Sutil needs to be suspended, you cant just force the guy next to you off the track like that. You also cannot make a U-Turn into oncoming traffic, the guy should go back to Go Karts and learn the basics of racing
Deja-vu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urAzPF6Yw8w
QUOTE (Claudius @ Oct 29 2009, 14:50)

Trulli seems to be either blind or stupid.
Or maybe both...
He's doing a Montoya ...
Buckethead
Oct 29 2009, 13:54
Go Jarno, Go Jarno!
Claudius
Oct 29 2009, 13:55
QUOTE (peroa @ Oct 29 2009, 14:53)

He's doing a Montoya ...
PrettyBoy22
Oct 29 2009, 13:56
I honestly thought the accident was Trullis fault
Buttoneer
Oct 29 2009, 13:57
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Oct 29 2009, 14:05)

The thing about the corners where the accident took place was that the racing line meant the drivers always crossed from the kerb on the inside of the corner to the kerb on the outside where Trulli and Sutil collided. Sutil had that racing line, and Trulli - who has raced at Interlagos countless times - would have to know that Sutil's trajectory would take his car there. It's not even something the drivers do by choice; the physics of taking the second corner always pushes the car to the outside.
Exactly. If the car isn't forcing itself out that far you're not going fast enough. Going wide is fast. Hence Kimi at la source. Flame on!
Pegaso
Oct 29 2009, 14:06
Well, Trulli's complaints have always been taken very seriously in this forum. There was even a thread about his complaints over the treatment he received at Renault were his word was taken as gospel. Can't understand why suddenly everyone is laughing at him.
egg1980
Oct 29 2009, 14:13
QUOTE (peroa @ Oct 29 2009, 13:53)

Cracking bit of side-stepping from Jenson there - what, which video, I didn't see anything! Brilliant!
Joking apart, it's much more clear in that instance, Montoya was ahead momentarily, so Schumi must have seen him. But then Montoya lost ground because he'd out-braked himself, if he was in full control of the car he'd have been able to
stay in front of MS. Also the pictures (that Trulli is so fond of) show that there was quite a large gap between the two cars - maybe enough for Jarno to have kept enough of his car on the race track to retain control. Or, just like Monster Montoya did, back-off the power.
QUOTE (Psymon @ Oct 29 2009, 11:47)

I like how Trulli has taken pictures along with him

Yes, that is fantastic!
QUOTE (sir jackie walker @ Oct 29 2009, 12:28)

As much as I would like to agree with that, it's hardly a coincidence both Jarno and Adrian are present in the press conference. For sure, nobody in the FIA/FOM saw this coming...

I can see it now - Bernie just before the show: "Jarno! Jarno! Take a look at these photos, you were innocent... Yeah, sure you can borrow them if you like"
LuisPena
Oct 29 2009, 14:40
QUOTE (Francesc @ Oct 29 2009, 12:56)

Trulli showing some pictures:

How do they choose the order to put the guys in the conference room? intersting, choosing to put Adrian with Trulli, that is bernie hand cause he knew what was going to happen.
getting any show from anywhere, nice berni
Mandzipop
Oct 29 2009, 14:48
James Allen
Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen were sitting on the front row during this exchange and at one point Alonso said, “Shall we go?” But he couldn’t stop laughing as the two drivers went on and on at each other like a pair of schoolboys, both wanting to have the last word.
I sooooooooooo want to see this press conference.
D.M.N.
Oct 29 2009, 14:54
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79825QUOTE
Q. (Ian Parkes – The Press Association) Question to Jarno and Adrian: I'm just wondering if you two guys have settled your differences after your exchange of words following your first lap accident in Brazil?
JT: I think we're going to discuss it probably tomorrow in the drivers' briefing and in the GPDA briefing. Obviously it was very disappointing to end the race like that, especially on the first lap. Obviously I think I had every reason to be extremely furious. I've got all the evidence to show that I was there, I was next to him, so I think tomorrow we are going to discuss it.
AS: I think there's nothing to discuss. It was a quite obvious incident. In the end it was very disappointing for myself, even more, I think, because I was the one who was just driving and he lost control of his car and crashed in my back, so it was not my problem, it was his problem. I don't know why he's freaking out like that, to be honest.
JT: (Laughing) If you want, I can show you some pictures. I don't know if you're blind but they clearly show you that my front wing is next to your front wing, so...
AS: Yeah, but you're trying to overtake me on the outside on the kerbing. There was not a problem...
JT: So you mean… you didn't move there…
AS: No, you were just not going off the power. The same happened in Barcelona where you lost control again and crashed again into a Force India car. You just have to sometimes also…
JT: I just lost…
AS: ...expect the limits of the car. If there's no way to go, you have to back off, that's how racing is, and I don't know how long you want to learn it.
JT: In Barcelona I spun and he hit me because he tapped the kerb, he completely cut the circuit and he didn't slow down, so basically… Anyway, I think it's better…
FA: (to KR) Shall we go?
AS: No, no. Watch the race in Barcelona. I didn't hit you, you hit me. I don't know what's the problem, but maybe your eyes are a problem.
JT: I don't have any feeling about him.
AS: I don't understand, really, sorry.
Q. (Alan Baldwin – Reuters) I was actually going to ask a similar question, but maybe the two of you can agree on what you said after the incident in Brazil, because obviously Jarno was seen to be gesticulating and saying quite a few things. Could you just tell us what was said at the time?
JT: I was furious because I said 'didn't you see me?' I mean, I was next to him and he kept pushing me going outside until I was obviously on the kerbs. I couldn't believe…
AS: …the kerbs, not a problem to be on the kerb, I think. Where's the problem?
JT: Ok, no problem, it's OK. As long as we know the rules.
AS: I know the rules.
JT: Fantastic.
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 29 2009, 14:06)

Well, Trulli's complaints have always been taken very seriously in this forum.
Congratulations on knowing what other people think. I've not reached that level yet.
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 29 2009, 14:06)

There was even a thread about his complaints over the treatment he received at Renault were his word was taken as gospel.
Which could say one of a number of things, including that they agreed with him in that case, or that they enjoyed taking a shot at Renault, Briatore, or Alonso.
QUOTE (Pegaso @ Oct 29 2009, 14:06)

Can't understand why suddenly everyone is laughing at him.
Because he's making a fool of himself.
undersquare
Oct 29 2009, 14:58
I can't believe there's no footage anywhere of them on the straight, before the corner.

There must have been something on Fernando's onboard, for starters.
Muppetmad
Oct 29 2009, 15:03
QUOTE
Q. Is this the worst incident of its type that you seen in Formula 1?
JT: Honestly, yes. That is why I was so bloody nervous afterwards when I jumped out of the car. To happen once is a racing accident – we might have a touch or we might bang wheels. But when someone does it deliberately at that speed, this is crazy. It is unacceptable. You cannot do that. It is like a straight – you are flat, and he basically sent me onto the kerbs and grass when I was on the straight. I cannot accept any apology, I am sorry. It is clear to anyone in the paddock that you cannot do that.
My goodness, yes! It was a flat out straight, and Sutil should have been more aware of what was going on around him. Trulli sure does.
Oh, wait...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=685_1181547684Need I say more?
Slowinfastout
Oct 29 2009, 15:04
QUOTE (undersquare @ Oct 29 2009, 10:58)

I can't believe there's no footage anywhere of them on the straight, before the corner.

There must have been something on Fernando's onboard, for starters.
Good point, initially I thought that one was difficult to judge because the footage we had access to isn't conclusive..
If trend is any indication Sutil is like a magnet for those type of events though... maybe Trulli is entitled to freak out.
crashgate
Oct 29 2009, 15:08
It is fernando who should be upset, he was the innocent victim, he nearly got seriously injured aswell and look at him he is smiling
King Six
Oct 29 2009, 15:13
Nothing like track related drama at F1. At least it's better than all the other off track nonsense. Trulli making a fool of himself, though.
I wanted to hear more from Alonso though, apparently Trulli was saying how Alonso talked about how crazy Sutil is etc..!
Surely an incident worth more of a spat would be the Kobayashi/Nakajima incident. Now that one was clearly Kobayashis fault and Naka had a pretty big shunt in that, you'd think he would be fuming at Kobayashi for that one. Especially since he's under arguably more pressure for a seat than Trulli is, or maybe Naka has already accepted that he's pretty much out of it already
Only one way to sort this out boys!!
Seanspeed
Oct 29 2009, 15:18
Trulli bringing pictures to the conference is hilarious.
This little row reminds me of a debate we have here on the forum.

Oh, and just as an aside: Trulli is 100% wrong. Just absolutely, without doubt,
wrong. I think he's getting a little angry that he might not be in F1 next year and is just taking it out on
whoever. I'd like to see him go out with a bit more class than this.
postajegenye
Oct 29 2009, 15:20
'
FA: (to KR) Shall we go?'
I like this, in the middle of the debate
salamin
Oct 29 2009, 15:21
QUOTE (crashgate @ Oct 29 2009, 16:08)

It is fernando who should be upset, he was the innocent victim, he nearly got seriously injured aswell and look at him he is smiling
the ferrari contract does the job
undersquare
Oct 29 2009, 15:22
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Oct 29 2009, 15:04)

Good point, initially I thought that one was difficult to judge because the footage we had access to isn't conclusive..
If trend is any indication Sutil is like a magnet for those type of events though... maybe Trulli is entitled to freak out.
You'd think there must be
something in Jarno's favour, and it does sound like Adrian admits squeezing him. As soon as they start to turn though the car on the inside gets ahead and then being on the outside isn't good. Certainly by the time we get to see it Jarno is behind and then he's always unlikely to be given room.
Slowinfastout
Oct 29 2009, 15:22
I don't think Trulli is making a fool of himself, the way he's persisting with that stuff is mildly amusing but not foolish IMO.. there was alot of dirty effing crap moves in the Brazil GP and he's doing a good joob of driving the point home.
If you have such a run on someone off a corner that you manage to get alongside, you don't deserve to have the door closing on you, alongside is the keyword here.
Some fans want a bloodbath like Kobayashi was trying to achieve and that it just wrong... and don't try to fill me up with Gilles holding up a train of cars for a whole GP, Gilles had a rocket on a straight line and no handling, and was absolutely fair, the opposite of Kobayashi... Koba was just being a clumsy dangerous mess in comparison.
kosmos
Oct 29 2009, 15:22
Comedy gold, I want a video of this press conference
egg1980
Oct 29 2009, 15:27
QUOTE (King Six @ Oct 29 2009, 15:13)

I wanted to hear more from Alonso though, apparently Trulli was saying how Alonso talked about how crazy Sutil is etc..!
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Alonso had a cheeky grin on his face when he was telling Trulli that though. As crashgate said, Alonso has more to be upset about than the other two guys and he's just sat there wetting his pants laughing about it. Accidents happen when you're driving at that speed, get on with it.
On the other hand, Fernando isn't desperate to get a drive for 2010... I'm sure a good result for Trulli or Sutil would have done them a lot of favours!
wingwalker
Oct 29 2009, 15:34
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Oct 29 2009, 16:22)

I don't think Trulli is making a fool of himself, the way he's persisting with that stuff is mildly amusing but not foolish IMO.. there was alot of dirty effing crap moves in the Brazil GP and he's doing a good joob of driving the point home.
Yeah but the Sutil-Trulli incident was pretty clear-cut to everyone but Trulli, he is not making the point about other incidents (Rosberg is) and bringing pictures to a press conference 2 weeks after a crash which would have evaporated out of everyone's minds had not Trulli behaviour after is making is a total clown like behaviour.
Slowinfastout
Oct 29 2009, 15:37
QUOTE (wingwalker @ Oct 29 2009, 11:34)

Yeah but the Sutil-Trulli incident was pretty clear-cut to everyone but Trulli, he is not making the point about other incidents (Rosberg is) and bringing pictures to a press conference 2 weeks after a crash which would have evaporated out of everyone's minds had not Trulli behaviour after is making is a total clown like behaviour.
If it's clear cut to you that's fine, but irrelevant.. as it was mentioned a couple of posts above we don't even have conclusive footage to make an informed decision. What we got was only the aftermath.
noikeee
Oct 29 2009, 15:38
From another news report of today:
QUOTE
Outgoing Williams driver Nico Rosberg said that he would be seeking a clarification from Whiting about what was acceptable these days - with the German believing drivers were now being too aggressive in defending positions.
His comments come after separate collisions between Mark Webber/Kimi Raikkonen, Rubens Barrichello/Lewis Hamilton and Kamui Kobayashi/Kazuki Nakajima which all occurred after the driver ahead moved across on his rival in a bid to keep hold of his position.
All of these were bigger examples of dangerous driving than this "worst incident in the last decade of F1". Jarno brought pictures.
Slowinfastout
Oct 29 2009, 15:40
What is wrong with you children?
If Trulli has a picture of both front wings being next to each other he may well have a point..
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