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Mat

Jan 16 2009, 02:11

Originally posted by Jackman
The BBC should ask to see the short season review videos FOM put together for GP2: they have some of the best racing / music combinations I've ever seen. And I've seen my fair share.

are these available anywhere?

Mark A

Jan 20 2009, 21:13

BBC confirm F1 will be available on iPlayer.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?AR=237052

COUGAR508

Jan 20 2009, 22:10

Originally posted by Mark A
BBC confirm F1 will be available on iPlayer.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?AR=237052

That is very good, if surprising, news. The stream will only be available to UK users, I presume.

stevvy1986

Jan 21 2009, 11:19

'The qualifying and races will be streamed live on the BBC website for UK consumption'

that suggests so-not entirely sure about it being available outside the UK once theyre on iPlayer,but looks like the live streams will be UK only (at least on the BBC all sessions will be able to be watched on TV,rather than putting up with slow,30+ seconds behind coverage on itv's website)

wingwalker

Jan 21 2009, 11:21

Originally posted by stevvy1986
'The qualifying and races will be streamed live on the BBC website for UK consumption'

that suggests so-not entirely sure about it being available outside the UK once theyre on iPlayer,but looks like the live streams will be UK only (at least on the BBC all sessions will be able to be watched on TV,rather than putting up with slow,30+ seconds behind coverage on itv's website)

I hope it will be hacked, too. If not, there is still justin.tv But what about practice sessions?

dank

Jan 21 2009, 11:58

Originally posted by wingwalker

I hope it will be hacked, too. If not, there is still justin.tv But what about practice sessions?

The BBC, unlike ITV, won't be such a push-over for non-UK residents to 'hack'. The BBC iPlayer system uses Geo-IP technology that identifies where someone is situated based on the location of their ISP. As yet, I have not read nor seen anything to say that someone has successfully got around this yet. And probably just as well, seeing as unlike ITV, the BBC is funded by the mandatory license fee which UK viewers get raped for.

Rinehart

Jan 21 2009, 12:21

Right.

I'm not happy with the BBC.

Testing has started, there is therefore plenty of opportunity for them to begin their 2009 coverage with reports inc vids of launches and times of testing, just like that Dutch F1 website manage to do.

I use my blackberry regularly to read up on F1, as I have done for an hour on a train this morning, but on BBC sport, F1 STILL doesn't have its own 'premium' section like Football, all there are is links to about 5 F1 stories, most of which broke on Autosport days ago.

I am very hopeful that their race coverage will be good, but I want a more holistic coverage and ramped up product from the BBC. I don't think its too much to ask that I should be able to watch BMW's launch or get the latest (unofficial) times from Portugal via BBC Sport on my mobile.

Does BMW even have anyone of their own in Portual, Spain or Italy this week?

This is just not good enough.

stevvy1986

Jan 21 2009, 13:16

Originally posted by dank

The BBC, unlike ITV, won't be such a push-over for non-UK residents to 'hack'. The BBC iPlayer system uses Geo-IP technology that identifies where someone is situated based on the location of their ISP. As yet, I have not read nor seen anything to say that someone has successfully got around this yet. And probably just as well, seeing as unlike ITV, the BBC is funded by the mandatory license fee which UK viewers get raped for.

TBH people dont specifically need to see the BBC feed if they arent in the UK,as it'll be no different to any other countries coverage,because they'll all use the same world feed, just the commentary and build up/post race might be a bit different,but thats it (and if its like ITV,depending on where you are,whatever channel F1 gets shown on in various countries may just end up taking the BBC commentary anyway) personally i'd say if people want to see the BBC coverage and they arent in the UK then i'd hardly have any sympathy for them if they couldnt hack into it/into the iPlayer after the race because as UK residents we actually pay for the BBC through the licence fee (unlike when it was on ITV) and tbh i dont see the point in getting it downloaded from the iPlayer after the race if you've watched it in another country anyway-just tape the thing n hope u get the BBC commentary on your countries feed-i'm sure people in other countries can cope with seeing it on another station if they cant hack the BBC stream (which personally i hope they don't) and if theyre THAT desperate to see it,why not come over to the UK and fork out for the licence fee?

lukywill

Jan 21 2009, 13:35

the problem here is that there isn't a proper internet feed but itv - last year - and now bbc.

Suntrek

Jan 21 2009, 14:03

Ever heard of proxy servers?

Disclaimer: no I wont use one, but it's quite an easy thing for any non-British resident who wants to.

andy-i

Jan 21 2009, 14:29

Originally posted by Rinehart
Right.

I'm not happy with the BBC.

Testing has started, there is therefore plenty of opportunity for them to begin their 2009 coverage with reports inc vids of launches and times of testing, just like that Dutch F1 website manage to do.

I use my blackberry regularly to read up on F1, as I have done for an hour on a train this morning, but on BBC sport, F1 STILL doesn't have its own 'premium' section like Football, all there are is links to about 5 F1 stories, most of which broke on Autosport days ago.

I am very hopeful that their race coverage will be good, but I want a more holistic coverage and ramped up product from the BBC. I don't think its too much to ask that I should be able to watch BMW's launch or get the latest (unofficial) times from Portugal via BBC Sport on my mobile.

Does BMW even have anyone of their own in Portual, Spain or Italy this week?

This is just not good enough.

There seems to a reasonable ammount of F1 related reports and news on the Motorsport page
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/default.stm

I think what you want is already provided by specialist F1 websites. Did ITV provide any more?

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'Premium' section. The BBC footy pages have to cover a lot more information and stories (there are more than 20 sub sections) than F1 which is a minority sport in the UK by comparison.

andy-i

Jan 21 2009, 14:32

Click on the Formula1 tab on the motorsport section and you get an F1 only page with options:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/default.stm

jonpollak

Jan 21 2009, 14:35

I am a licence fee paying UK resident who travels the world during the race season and have been refused access to the web feed when I am outside Britain. I have petitioned the Beeb, since I learned they had the contract,only to get the "tough luck" response on more than one occasion.

BRING ON THE FOM PPV...DAMNIT
(or pm me the work around)
Jp

Clatter

Jan 21 2009, 14:44

Originally posted by jonpollak
I am a licence fee paying UK resident who travels the world during the race season and have been refused access to the web feed when I am outside Britain. I have petitioned the Beeb, since I learned they had the contract,only to get the "tough luck" response on more than one occasion.

BRING ON THE FOM PPV...DAMNIT
(or pm me the work around)
Jp

http://www.slingmedia.com/
You need one of these.

Buttoneer

Jan 21 2009, 14:49

Originally posted by Rinehart
Right.

I'm not happy with the BBC.

I must admit, I though that we'd be able to wait until at least Melbourne first practice to start the 'BBC are shit' thread

Rinehart

Jan 21 2009, 14:54

The TV License fee is a fee to receive a broadcast in the uk. It is NOT a license to watch BBC. Their stance makes perfect sense.

Tony Mandara

Jan 21 2009, 14:58

Originally posted by Buttoneer
I must admit, I though that we'd be able to wait until at least Melbourne first practice to start the 'BBC are shit' thread

Well, you know how some people like to get in early!!

Tony.

Rinehart

Jan 21 2009, 15:01

Originally posted by Buttoneer
I must admit, I though that we'd be able to wait until at least Melbourne first practice to start the 'BBC are shit' thread

Unlike most people on here, I wasn't critical of the ITV feed, so I definately won't be unhappy with the BBC feed. It will be perfectly fine.

What I want, and what I tried to explain in my initial post - is that I am interested in an improvement in WEB CONTENT. Better than what ITV provided, far better. Its ridiculous that during the winter we have to rely on overseas websites or translations on Atlas BB to find out what is happening in testing - in more or less real time.

I'd appreciate it if you read my actual criticism, rather than accusing me of bashing BBC TV coverage, which I am not.

Clatter

Jan 21 2009, 15:07

Originally posted by Rinehart

Unlike most people on here, I wasn't critical of the ITV feed, so I definately won't be unhappy with the BBC feed. It will be perfectly fine.

What I want, and what I tried to explain in my initial post - is that I am interested in an improvement in WEB CONTENT. Better than what ITV provided, far better. Its ridiculous that during the winter we have to rely on overseas websites or translations on Atlas BB to find out what is happening in testing - in more or less real time.

I'd appreciate it if you read my actual criticism, rather than accusing me of bashing BBC TV coverage, which I am not.

I expect that from the specialist F1 sites, not the BBC.

Buttoneer

Jan 21 2009, 15:07

Originally posted by Rinehart

I'd appreciate it if you read my actual criticism, rather than accusing me of bashing BBC TV coverage, which I am not.

Well you see if I hadn't singled out a couple of choice statements and ignored the content of your post the joke wouldn't have worked so well.

GhostR

Jan 21 2009, 15:20

Originally posted by Suntrek
Ever heard of proxy servers?

If the BBC is serious about preventing overseas access to their service, a proxy won't be sufficient. There's tech available to be able to 'see through' a proxy back to the originating ISP if they want it.

D.M.N.

Jan 21 2009, 15:37

I think BBC's coverage of testing on their site at the moment is very good - I'm not expecting them to pump out stories each and every day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7842144.stm

For anyone else wondering who's asking Massa the questions, it's BBC's own Jonathan Legard.

Originally posted by Mark A
BBC confirm F1 will be available on iPlayer.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?AR=237052

My guess is that there's nothing about practice in there, because nothing has been officially confirmed regarding that.

wewantourdarbyback

Jan 21 2009, 15:45

I think that's the most real Kimi's looked in an interview for a while.

Maybe he isn't mechanical?

undersquare

Jan 21 2009, 15:47

Originally posted by GhostR

If the BBC is serious about preventing overseas access to their service, a proxy won't be sufficient. There's tech available to be able to 'see through' a proxy back to the originating ISP if they want it.

Yes, look at Pandora, all the proxies blocked

But why FOM can't arrange for fans to see their product on the web in every country I can't understand. In fact they seem to have a department devoted to preventing people seeing F1

.

OK that's a fib I do understand it, FOM doesn't promote F1, it just milks it to pay off the enormous debt. And the Beeb will have a restrictive contract accordingly.

Orin

Jan 21 2009, 17:54

Originally posted by Buttoneer
Well you see if I hadn't singled out a couple of choice statements and ignored the content of your post...

"...I might as well have posted on another forum."

[actually I liked the joke!]

jimjimjeroo

Jan 21 2009, 19:47

really hope the bring the chain back!!!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57580079611

D.M.N.

Jan 21 2009, 21:07

Without wanting to turn this into "The BBC MotoGP Coverage Thread" it seems like a lot of "discussion" has been going on over at http://www.crash.net/ regarding their coverage has turned into an article on their site..... with a BBC Sport person - MotoGP Series Producer Belinda Rogerson making a long comment about it. Based on that, many fans are unhappy about the level of MotoGP coverage being provided next year compared to Eurosport. Here's her comment from the Crash.net article:

Having read my way through the various comments on the site I wanted a chance to respond to some of the points raised. The BBC team work hard to produce the best possible coverage but I also accept that it is impossible to please everyone with our programmes. I also want to point out that many of the posts are of a highly personal nature and I am not prepared to get involved in that discussion.

BBC Sport are proud of their coverage of MotoGP and bringing premier class racing to a terrestrial audience. In 2009 we are expanding our coverage to include Qualifying of the 125 and 250 classes on Saturday alongside MotoGP Qualifying from every round on the red button. There will be live coverage of every race and in Europe MotoGP Extra after the race has finished giving further insight and interviews. That's around 7 hours of coverage each weekend.

Our coverage attracts audiences of over a million with an approval rating that has been the highest for any terrestrial program in a given week. We believe the BBC team and the commentary team are key to that success and we look forward to another exciting season in 2009.

Steve Parrish raced at the very highest level and Charlie Cox is an experienced lead commentator with a great passion for and extensive knowledge of motor bikes. We always review our coverage at the end of the season and I frequently read the comments posted on a variety of websites including this one but commentary is a hugely subjective issue and we believe we have the best team to lead our programme.

In terms of presentation Suzi Perry has a wealth of experience from years of fronting motorbike racing and our pitlane reporter Matthew Roberts has worked as a journalist for Dorna for 8 years before joining the BBC and his excellent connections with the teams enabled us to break stories last year ahead of anyone else.

We have taken on board feedback about the non-recordable nature of the red button when viewed on certain platforms and as a result we will be looping the Qualifying on Saturday afternoon and evening and will do the same with the races on Sunday into the following week. A timetable for this will appear on the website at the start of the season.

The inability to record the red button is a Sky Box issue rather than a specifically BBC one so we are doing all we can to enable you to watch the sessions you may have missed live. If you can get Eurosport then you will also be able to access the red button. Under the terms of the licence we can't turn BBC3 or 4 into a sports channel although we can use them occasionally and they are unavailable during the day as the bandwidth is used by CBeebies and CBBC.

All broadcasters take the race coverage from Dorna and this is currently not produced in HD although I understand they are planning to do so in 2010. We took the widescreen coverage of the racing as soon as it became available at the start of the last season and we are always looking for further ways to innovate our coverage. I have a great deal of time for all the Eurosport team, I know them all personally and I was very sorry to see them go at the end of last season but this was a decision taken by Dorna and not the BBC.

I am always keen to get feedback and to read suggestions as to what you would like to see within the programme and I will continue to read the websites and your views.

Belinda Rogerson, MotoGP Series Producer, BBC Sport

Now, according to jb26, there are "still ongoing discussions about Fridays because of all this disapproval". However, as jb also says is that their figures like GP2 are non-existent - they would get not many viewers on a Friday on the Red Button - IIRC GP2 only got about 80,000 on ITV4.

Rinehart

Jan 21 2009, 21:18

Originally posted by Buttoneer
Well you see if I hadn't singled out a couple of choice statements and ignored the content of your post the joke wouldn't have worked so well.

'No worries' would have sufficed.

Rinehart

Jan 21 2009, 21:23

Originally posted by D.M.N.
I think BBC's coverage of testing on their site at the moment is very good - I'm not expecting them to pump out stories each and every day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7842144.stm

For anyone else wondering who's asking Massa the questions, it's BBC's own Jonathan Legard.

My guess is that there's nothing about practice in there, because nothing has been officially confirmed regarding that.

Really?

I would have thought a ramping up and improvement in web and mobile content would complement their huge investment in TV coverage quite nicely. That's what I was hoping for.

CoolFiltered

Jan 21 2009, 21:42

Nice to get a foretaste of Legards tone and style, and dare I say it, although like many I've heard Legard commentate/interview before, it was quite polished, and on first impressions at least, a better interviewer than anyone ITV offered us, with the exception of Brundle.

jonpollak

Jan 22 2009, 07:56

Originally posted by Rinehart

The TV License fee is a fee to receive a broadcast in the uk. It is NOT a license to watch BBC. Their stance makes perfect sense.

No disrespect Rinehart but it's solutions I am after...and I am not resigned to acquiesce to them as simply as that.
It's responses like these that keep the British miserably happy with less...
If one doesn't try and push the borders they will never review policy.

Originally posted by Clatter

http://www.slingmedia.com/
You need one of these.

I have one...Wife has the kids trained to unplug it as soon as I leave town

any other work arounds??
¿por favor?

Jp

stevvy1986

Jan 22 2009, 11:34

personally i'd say the BBC's stance is right-if you pay to watch the BBC by paying the licence fee,fair enough,if not,or you're unable to watch it cos you go all around the world or whatever,then so be it,you'll just have to watch someone elses coverage-i dont see the big deal really,people should just be glad theyre watching some coverage,doesnt matter what country its from,the feed is basically the same,the only differences are (possibly) the commentators (unless they take the BBC commentary like they used to take the ITV commentary) and the pre/post race stuff

Slartibartfast

Jan 22 2009, 11:51

Originally posted by jonpollak

I have one...Wife has the kids trained to unplug it as soon as I leave town

any other work arounds??
¿por favor?

Jp

1. Hide the slingbox in shed/garage/loft etc
2. Affix notice "Warning, high voltage - do not touch"
3. Superglue the connections
4. Superglue the kids

lukywill

Jan 22 2009, 11:54

stevvy1986, you really don´t understand the issue here.
basically we want to watch bbc - as we watched itv last year - not because of the commentary but because it's the only internet decent feed.

in some countries there isn't f1 at all or it is a expensive cable pay channel (in portugal you have to pay 50x12 months=600 eur to watch it on cable tv, if you travel, even in your own country - and it's my case for half the races - you can't see anything at all).

fia should feed us all but seems are not interested - fee or not fee.

i'm sure someone will be trying to put the bbc feed available worldwide like it happened last year with itv internet feed.

you can keep your legal matters and also your fees to yourselves.

stevvy1986

Jan 22 2009, 12:00

tough luck if its the only decent internet feed,watch it on tv somewhere instead,if you have to pay for it,so be it,if you have to put up with a poor feed,so be it,just be glad you can watch it at all-im sure the BBC will do their utmost to make sure people like you and others aren't able to watch it (and i hope they succeed considering we actually pay for the BBC and to watch it,if ur in another country u dont have the right to see it,because u havent paid for it-if ur that bothered,come over here n pay the licence fee,then u can watch it

dank

Jan 22 2009, 12:01

No, I think stevvy1986 does understand the issue here and I fully agree with him.

I'm somewhat bemused by folk saying that they feel for some reason they feel have this divine right to watch F1 in their country, even if it means possibly leeching off a feed that I have paid for. If last year is anything to go by, the ITV feed was heavily over subscribed with people trying to watch it and as a result was less than adequate to watch.

From what I can gather, the BBC iplayer feed will be a tough one for anybody to crack abroad and I welcome that.

lukywill

Jan 22 2009, 12:05

i'm not talking about right - divine or not - i'm talking about la cosa nostra.

Slartibartfast

Jan 22 2009, 12:07

Originally posted by lukywill
i'm not talking about right - divine or not - i'm talking about la cosa nostra.

There's already a thread about Bernie!

dank

Jan 22 2009, 12:08

Originally posted by lukywill
i'm not talking about right - divine or not - i'm talking about la cosa nostra.

The mafia?

lukywill

Jan 22 2009, 12:08

Buttoneer

Jan 22 2009, 12:09

Originally posted by lukywill
stevvy1986, you really don´t understand the issue here.

I think he understand the issue perfectly.

It's true that the loss of ITV and a spoofable live feed might leave a hole in your coverage, but you should never have been able to get that coverage in the first place.

Don't misunderstand me, I hope that you can find your way to get the BBC feed but don't think that you have an entitlement to it. The British licence payer pays for the coverage and gets the coverage. You should lobby your Portuguese broadcasters to give you something similar or alternatively try seeing whether you can grab one of the other online feeds from around the world.

I don't believe the FIA will ever provide a live feed because that will dilute the cash it gets from national broadcasters who may be unwilling to pay as a result.

Clatter

Jan 22 2009, 12:10

Originally posted by lukywill
stevvy1986, you really don´t understand the issue here.
basically we want to watch bbc - as we watched itv last year - not because of the commentary but because it's the only internet decent feed.

in some countries there isn't f1 at all or it is a expensive cable pay channel (in portugal you have to pay 50x12 months=600 eur to watch it on cable tv, if you travel, even in your own country - and it's my case for half the races - you can't see anything at all).

fia should feed us all but seems are not interested - fee or not fee.

i'm sure someone will be trying to put the bbc feed available worldwide like it happened last year with itv internet feed.

you can keep your legal matters and also your fees to yourselves.

As others have already said, tough luck. Rather than complain about not being able to receive a broadcast that your not entitled to, why not complain to your own broadcasters asking why they don't provide the same service.

stevvy1986

Jan 22 2009, 12:13

thanks to the guys who are giving me support-if the licence fee didnt pay for the BBC it wouldnt be as big an issue (it was still a big issue last year,but less so as we dont pay for ITV) whereas we pay for the BBC,and if people want to watch it,they should have to fork out the exact same price as we do over here-if you have to put up with poor tv coverage in your own country,or a poor internet feed from another country,tough luck,thats the fault of your tv stations etc not asking bernie if they can show the races live on tv in whatever country you're in-if you pay the licence fee,i've got no problem with anyone watching the BBC feed,but unless you do so,then as far as im concerned,its a case of tough luck,you'll have to find another place to watch it,even if the quality isnt as good

lukywill

Jan 22 2009, 12:16

we will see how entitled we are this year.

Buttoneer

Jan 22 2009, 12:21

Originally posted by lukywill
we will see how entitled we are this year.

You will never be 'entitled' to it but you may be able to get it anyway. It's an extremely important point to appreciate in order to understand stevvy's point.

MichaelPM

Jan 22 2009, 12:23

Originally posted by Buttoneer
I think he understand the issue perfectly.

It's true that the loss of ITV and a spoofable live feed might leave a hole in your coverage, but you should never have been able to get that coverage in the first place.

Don't misunderstand me, I hope that you can find your way to get the BBC feed but don't think that you have an entitlement to it. The British licence payer pays for the coverage and gets the coverage. You should lobby your Portuguese broadcasters to give you something similar or alternatively try seeing whether you can grab one of the other online feeds from around the world.

I don't believe the FIA will ever provide a live feed because that will dilute the cash it gets from national broadcasters who may be unwilling to pay as a result.

Reminds me of an issue I had recently. I pay the British TV licence but when abroad (good few times a year) I am blocked from viewing something like BBC iPlayer which I assume they block anyone from watching BBC webcasts/downloads unless you are in the UK and possibly have a TV licence.

So I do have an entitlement to watch it as a TV licence pays for the BBC. However 4OD from channel 4 works perfectly fine because they have ads, even in their webcasts/downloads.

stevvy1986

Jan 22 2009, 12:25

Originally posted by lukywill
we will see how entitled we are this year.

as buttoneer said,you'll NEVER be entitled to it unless you pay the licence fee-you may get it but you're not entitled to it,and personally i hope you (in particular) are totally unsuccessful in getting it

dank

Jan 22 2009, 12:26

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Reminds me of an issue I had recently. I pay the British TV licence but when abroad (good few times a year) I am blocked from viewing something like BBC iPlayer which I assume they block anyone from watching BBC webcasts/downloads unless you are in the UK and possibly have a TV licence.

So I do have an entitlement to watch it as a TV licence pays for the BBC. However 4OD from channel 4 works perfectly fine because they have ads, even in their webcasts/downloads.

BBC Worldwide is working on an international version of iplayer which should be available soon. Obviously, this won't include F1 coverage due to rights, but might be better than nothing when you are globe-trotting.

stevvy1986

Jan 22 2009, 12:26

in that respect you're unlucky,but at least you pay the licence fee,so i wouldnt have any issue with you watching it-its people like lukywill and others who'll probably never pay the licence fee in their lives that dont deserve to watch it

Buttoneer

Jan 22 2009, 12:33

That's a very difficult position to be in and I sympathise. Perhaps Slartibartfasts suggestion to use a slingbox or the new Playstation TV thingumy will work for you?

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