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ashnathan
Atalas posters | <--brick wall lukywill.

Its a lost cause just ignore him.
Timstr11
Originally posted by stevvy1986


it wont be,the BBC will do its absolute best to make sure of that-and yes,as i pay the licence fee,i am more entitled to watch the BBC than you are-you don't contribute to the licence fee in any way shape or form,therefore you aren't entitled to watch the BBC-personally i hope you have to put up with a terrible quality picture,a horrifically slow feed,while i sit back comfortably and watch the sessions live on my tv,knowing people like you won't be helping to lessen the quality of coverage i watch on the net,unlike when it was on ITV
Cable and satellite companies around the world that transmit the BBC feeds are paying a fee to the BBC.
This is included in the fees we consumers outside of the UK pay to our respective cable/satellite companies.
So yes, we do contribute.
stevvy1986
not when it comes to being able to see it on the net in countries that dont show the BBC on tv
lukywill
Originally posted by stevvy1986
Luky,no offence,but you're basically an idiot-you have no right to watch the BBC,it's not yours,its the brits,and the brits do have a right to watch the BBC as WE PAY FOR IT-pay the licence fee,or get your country to broadcast the BBC itself,then you can watch it-otherwise you can watch some other countries feed on the net. You really do amaze me with your (lack of) intellect at times.


think what you think is best for you.

i for one always saw bbc programs and certainly will do again this year.
if this includes f1? certainly will. i don't even imagine they could let me down after so many years seeing that extravagant shakespeare in vain.

for your common knowledge, we portuguese have already pay much, discovering the world and handling almost everything to you, pinks. all about capitalism, new world america, and everything. it's time to end that fee of yours, offering us something to think about.

after all it all started with india. and you should learned the basis of civilization by now.
stevvy1986
you really are sad luky if you're going on about civilization,india,new world america and other such trash-get a life and learn to post relevant things in threads,not trash about civilization etc in a thread about the bbc
lukywill
what ever.
stevvy1986
i like the way you fail to inform us all (with your high intellect) as to what your comments about new world america,civilization,and portugal supposedly giving us everything,has to do with the BBC coverage
jonpollak
Originally posted by stevvy1986
Luky,no offence,but you're basically an idiot


Is the word "basically" the qualifier that infers you are not intending any "offence"?
I mean...don't get me wrong or anything, Amy here is without question on glue, but why "no offence"
Glue sniffers are rather offending to me.

I always cut Ms. Winehouse here a little slack as he is a staple of the live thread and has been for years.

Jp
stevvy1986
i can safely say that when i typed it,i wasnt thinking 'i know,if i put basically,that it'll mean im not meaning any offence'-he may have been here for years,but.........well,quite how,im not sure,as its rare to read a post of his that makes sense/has any relevance to the specific thread
jonpollak
I know steve....I was trying to be funny.
I just cringe when I see/hear the 3 most overused qualifiers in English speech.

Actually, Apparently and Basically.
Although not one of those dreaded in-fashion adjectives,to me it's like hearing an American say the word "AWESOME".


Don't let Amy get you wound up.
That's what the lovely ignore function is all about.

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Jp
Kenaltgr
Originally posted by Suntrek


If were so lucky that Swedish state television (equivalent to your BBC - and I pay higher license fees than you, btw) broadcasted F1 races I would dance flamenco all the way to the TV sofa and enjoy, and I wouldn't care shit if the whole world hacked any Swedish TV net feed.

Instead I have to put up a satellite disc, buy a suitable box and subscribe to a bunch of crap channels I don't want - just to be able to watch the particular channel that broadcasts F1.

Just to put things a bit in perspective. :\


I don't think hardly anyone in the UK cares if the internet feed is hacked(it's just bbc iplayer streaming live like it is now with the rugby 6 nations games). I don't know why anyone with a TV in the UK would want to watch an iplayer feed live, it's just the race feed in reduced quality. You can watch in full quality all F1 sessions on BBC TV (with the red button) and switch to the live timming data channel and the onboard channel, which is not on the iplayer.
dank
Originally posted by stevvy1986
you really are sad luky if you're going on about civilization,india,new world america and other such trash-get a life and learn to post relevant things in threads,not trash about civilization etc in a thread about the bbc


Er, he's trolling? Move along!
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by lukywill


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wow, did I really type picicture? roflmao.gif
Snap Matt
It won't be the BBC that particularly wants to prevent people overseas watching an internet feed, any more than it does with any other show. Bernie's contracts will require the BBC's coverage to be restricted to the UK as far as possible in order to protect the value of his rights agreements in other countries.
lukywill
on target.
Tony Mandara
Originally posted by Snap Matt
It won't be the BBC that particularly wants to prevent people overseas watching an internet feed, any more than it does with any other show. Bernie's contracts will require the BBC's coverage to be restricted to the UK as far as possible in order to protect the value of his rights agreements in other countries.


You are going on the assumption that BBC is a British TV company, and therefore is only broadcast in England. This is blatantly not the case. This year, here in Holland, we wiil have the choice of watching RTL7 (very commercial heavy) or BBC (no commercials). I very much doubt that RTL have negotiated a lower fee although their viewing figures will almost cetainly go down . Holland is not the only country which recieves BBC, and I doubt BE has re-negotiated these contracts in these countries. the ITV feed was obviously not secure enough, or wasn't supposed to be. The BBC secure their feed to protect their revenue, not to please Mr E! eek.gifI TV, on the other hand, recieved revenue from commercials. ITV > BBC needs, in that respect, are pretty much opposites.

Tony. wave.gif
se7en_24
Originally posted by Tony Mandara


You are going on the assumption that BBC is a British TV company, and therefore is only broadcast in England. This is blatantly not the case. This year, here in Holland, we wiil have the choice of watching RTL7 (very commercial heavy) or BBC (no commercials). I very much doubt that RTL have negotiated a lower fee although their viewing figures will almost cetainly go down . Holland is not the only country which recieves BBC, and I doubt BE has re-negotiated these contracts in these countries. the ITV feed was obviously not secure enough, or wasn't supposed to be. The BBC secure their feed to protect their revenue, not to please Mr E! eek.gifI TV, on the other hand, recieved revenue from commercials. ITV > BBC needs, in that respect, are pretty much opposites.

Tony. wave.gif

BBC1 is only legally received in Netherlands and Switzerland, then only on cable so hardly a massive audience. It would have caused more of a problem for Bernie had BBC been transmitted to more countries as you had suggested. I'm sure next time RTL7 come to renew their contract they will take any loss of audience to BBC1 into account and negotiate accordingly.
Tony Mandara
Cable here is the majority unlike the UK. This (Holland that is) is (probably) the most cabled and networked country in the world. Actually, in europe The Netherlands, Switzewrland and Ireland recieve BBC. Whilst admittedley not the biggest countries in Europe, it remains a not-insignificant amount of viewers. Although I make you absolutley right about RTL eventually wanting to re-negotiate their contract. But the point is still the same that The BBC and ITV work on very different bussiness models.
Sorry if it didn't come across clearly blush.gif and at the end of the day I'm no expert and it's only my opinion!

Tony. wave.gif
Snap Matt
Originally posted by Tony Mandara


You are going on the assumption that BBC is a British TV company, and therefore is only broadcast in England. This is blatantly not the case. This year, here in Holland, we wiil have the choice of watching RTL7 (very commercial heavy) or BBC (no commercials). I very much doubt that RTL have negotiated a lower fee although their viewing figures will almost cetainly go down . Holland is not the only country which recieves BBC, and I doubt BE has re-negotiated these contracts in these countries. the ITV feed was obviously not secure enough, or wasn't supposed to be. The BBC secure their feed to protect their revenue, not to please Mr E! eek.gifI TV, on the other hand, recieved revenue from commercials. ITV > BBC needs, in that respect, are pretty much opposites.

Tony. wave.gif

Out of interest, do you get the full range of BBC channels there and get the red button features?

In theory the iPlayer shouldn't work outside of the UK, although I understand reality can be a bit different. I don't see why their F1 coverage should operate any differently to other shows on that system.

The BBC has the rights to broadcast F1 in the UK. Maybe the feed of BBC1 that goes overseas during a race ought to carry three hours of repeats of Cash in the Attic, just to stop Bernie and/or the Beeb spending too much time in court.
se7en_24
Originally posted by Snap Matt

Out of interest, do you get the full range of BBC channels there and get the red button features?

In theory the iPlayer shouldn't work outside of the UK, although I understand reality can be a bit different. I don't see why their F1 coverage should operate any differently to other shows on that system.

The BBC has the rights to broadcast F1 in the UK. Maybe the feed of BBC1 that goes overseas during a race ought to carry three hours of repeats of Cash in the Attic, just to stop Bernie and/or the Beeb spending too much time in court.

You can get BBC1, BBC2, BBC3 and BBC4 on cable there and also BBC Prime (which you can't get in the UK). I don't think they have the red button options.

You might be right about switching the F1 feed off for overseas people, they do that on the radio/website and you often get different sports on BBC depending which country you are in (Scottish football in Scotland etc).
ashnathan
Originally posted by lukywill
what ever.


You cannot associate yourself with stuff that happened hundreds of years ago you moron, you weren't even in your dads ball bag at that point so go sook to someone else that might be interested. Go start a revolution or something, and i dont like being called a 'pink' either, do it again and ill have you banned for racism.
lukywill
kids, use the ignore list then.

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Slartibartfast
Originally posted by Tony Mandara


You are going on the assumption that BBC is a British TV company, and therefore is only broadcast in England. This is blatantly not the case. This year, here in Holland, we wiil have the choice of watching RTL7 (very commercial heavy) or BBC (no commercials). I very much doubt that RTL have negotiated a lower fee although their viewing figures will almost cetainly go down . Holland is not the only country which recieves BBC, and I doubt BE has re-negotiated these contracts in these countries. the ITV feed was obviously not secure enough, or wasn't supposed to be. The BBC secure their feed to protect their revenue, not to please Mr E! eek.gifI TV, on the other hand, recieved revenue from commercials. ITV > BBC needs, in that respect, are pretty much opposites.

Tony. wave.gif


True, I had always assumed that the British Broadcasting Corporation was British. I had also assumed that it broadcasts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. wink.gif

In fact, the BBC, in various formats, broadcasts to much of the world. What it won't do is broadcast outside the UK material that it only has 'domestic' rights to. This includes their website, which has UK and international versions. (I can foresee yet another season of sitting in a hotel in some god-forsaken part of the planet, knowing the race has started, despondently wondering why the hotel has 99 TV stations and no F1. Still, at least I'll be able to pick-up coverage of The Ashes.)
Clatter
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Still, at least I'll be able to pick-up coverage of The Ashes.)


Only problem there is the England innings will probably be shorter than the race. frown.gif
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Clatter


Only problem there is the England innings will probably be shorter than the race. frown.gif
568 for 9 declared aint bad
Clatter
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
568 for 9 declared aint bad


True. I'm still reeling at the 51 all out.
Talisker
This is all a bit confused I think. The BBC's feed can't be accessed by those outside the UK. It's to avoid infringements of various broadcasting rights contracts for sports coverage etc.

The licence fee has nothing to do with it. Clearly this is the case as most other TV networks in other countries have similar restrictions, even though most don't have licence fees.

The BBC doesn't give a toss whether I'm watching without paying a licence fee, as I said it's all about the broadcast rights. For example, anyone outside the UK can view most BBC news videos on the BBC website, but not certain sports coverage, e.g. 6 nations rugby.
le chat noir
well it can be viewed outside as can all british tv. just get a digi box from inside the uk and point the satellite at the uk satellite. no subscription of any kind necessary
Mat
Originally posted by Talisker
This is all a bit confused I think. The BBC's feed can't be accessed by those outside the UK. It's to avoid infringements of various broadcasting rights contracts for sports coverage etc.

The licence fee has nothing to do with it. Clearly this is the case as most other TV networks in other countries have similar restrictions, even though most don't have licence fees.

The BBC doesn't give a toss whether I'm watching without paying a licence fee, as I said it's all about the broadcast rights. For example, anyone outside the UK can view most BBC news videos on the BBC website, but not certain sports coverage, e.g. 6 nations rugby.


very well said. That's about as concise a summary of the situation as you can get.
Tony Mandara
Snap Matt

Out of interest, do you get the full range of BBC channels there and get the red button features?

In theory the iPlayer shouldn't work outside of the UK


The standard packet is BBC1 + 2. The iplayer does indeed not work outside the UK, or "red button" features. BBC3, 4 and BBC prime are available to satellite and digital viewers for an extra cost. frown.gif

Slartibartfast

True, I had always assumed that the British Broadcasting Corporation was British. I had also assumed that it broadcasts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.


You funny guy you!wink.gif The BBC is broadcast in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, because that's what the UK is!! wink.gif

Tony. wave.gif
D.M.N.
Stop talking about the license fee for just five minutes please, because the BBC have confirmed scheduling details for the first five races of the 2009 season. I think the following has been "leaked", as it is only linked from
here, it is not linked from any page in the motorsport section. Anyway.....

MELBOURNE - AUSTRALIA
Friday 27 March
Practice: TBC, Red Button and BBC Sport website

Saturday 28th March
Qualifying: 0500-0715, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Re-run: 1300-1415, BBC One

Sunday 29th March
Race: 0600-0900, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Interactive Forum: 0900-1000, BBC Red Button/online
Race re-run: 1300-1500, BBC One/BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online

SEPANG - MALAYSIA
Friday 3 April
Practice: TBC, Red Button and BBC Sport website

Saturday 4 April
Qualifying: 0900-1130, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online

Sunday 5 April
Race: 0900-1200, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Interactive Forum: 1200-1300, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online

CHINA
Friday 17 April
Practice: TBC, Red Button and BBC Sport website

Saturday 18 April
Qualifying: 0600-0815, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Re-run: 1300-1415, BBC One

Sunday 19 April
Race: 0700-1000, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Interactive Forum: 1000-1100, BBC Red Button/online
Race re-run: 1230-1430, BBC One/BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online

BAHRAIN
Friday 24 April
Practice: TBC, Red Button and BBC Sport website

Saturday 25 April
Qualifying: 1100-1315, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online

Sunday 26 April
Race: 1200-1500, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Interactive Forum: 1500-1600, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online

BARCELONA - SPAIN
Friday 8 May
Practice: TBC, Red Button and BBC Sport website

Saturday 9 May
Qualifying: 1210-1415, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online

Sunday 10 May
Race: 1210-1500, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Interactive Forum: 1500-1600, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online

The highlights show on the Sunday on BBC Three all but confirms that we will have a highlights/preview show on the Thursday, Friday and Saturday IMO. I'd imagine there's some things above that will be changed a little.

The article also notes: "The BBC's red button service will offer alternative video streams, such as on-board cameras and F1 data."

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dank
So what actually is this 'interactive forum' business? The BBC's equivalent to the Autosport live-chat thingy?
RacingMonk
No Saturday morning practice? frown.gif
D.M.N.
Originally posted by dank
So what actually is this 'interactive forum' business? The BBC's equivalent to the Autosport live-chat thingy?


Yes. This'll be like Jake and co responding to people's views via text and 606 type of stuff. That'll be more like chit-chatty kind of stuff aimed at the motorsport audience... not aimed at the "random guy off the street".

Originally posted by RacingMonk
No Saturday morning practice?


Well, nothing is mentioned there so I'm not too sure? frown.gif

However, this line clearly says: There will be live coverage of every on-track session online, as well as all the television broadcasts.
ashnathan
Originally posted by lukywill
kids, use the ignore list then.

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No thanks, id live happier knowing you were banned and cant use the forum at all.
undersquare
Thanks DMN. Good news, practice on TV and alternative video streams up.gif

Hopefully one of the streams will be no-commentary?
D.M.N.
Originally posted by undersquare
Hopefully one of the streams will be no-commentary?


Not sure. I think for the race you'll have the option between TV and Radio commentary, but not sure about no-commentary.

As for practice, I'm not sure whether we'll be hearing the TV commentators or whether we'll be stuck with David Croft and Anthony Davidson.
Snap Matt
Just in terms of airtime, that represents a reasonable increase on what ITV were doing. No doubt the build-up shows will feature a lot of re-screenings of features, just like ITV, but F1 people only have so much time for items like that. Sounds promising anyway. I wonder how quickly I will adapt back to the absence of wee breaks during the shows...
d246
So if I get up at 7ish on the morning of the Oz GP will I be able to start viewing the race using the red button or iPlayer? Or will I just have to get up early as in the past?
Buttoneer
I reckon the interactive forum will be a fully moderated 'webchat' thing just like you might get with one of the chefs after a cookery programme or a Z-list celebrity after a talk show.

So there will be a few thousand people throwing questions in and the moderator will choose which ones he/she wants to put to the celeb.
D.M.N.
Originally posted by Snap Matt
Just in terms of airtime, that represents a reasonable increase on what ITV were doing. No doubt the build-up shows will feature a lot of re-screenings of features, just like ITV, but F1 people only have so much time for items like that. Sounds promising anyway. I wonder how quickly I will adapt back to the absence of wee breaks during the shows...


I believe BBC will be providing commentary for others countries like ITV did... ITV provided commentary for Channel 9 in Australia and a lot of other countries... so there maybe in the race 30 second gaps in commentaries to allow other countries to head to commercials.

Originally posted by d246
So if I get up at 7ish on the morning of the Oz GP will I be able to start viewing the race using the red button or iPlayer? Or will I just have to get up early as in the past?


The race starts as 7... so if you're planning to watch it online via the BBC Sport website, I'd get up at least 20 minutes before the start in case the website logjams as it gets towards 7.... although the Beeb shouldn't have those kind of problems.

Originally posted by Buttoneer
I reckon the interactive forum will be a fully moderated 'webchat' thing just like you might get with one of the chefs after a cookery programme or a Z-list celebrity after a talk show.

So there will be a few thousand people throwing questions in and the moderator will choose which ones he/she wants to put to the celeb.


Yeah, that's probably correct. I imagine some of these maybe quite boring, while others maybe fun it depends on the race type I guess a great race will provoke a lot of discussions as will controversial races.... i.e. if the stewards decide to give out a controversial "drive through penalty" things like that will always provoke discussion of some kind....

I'll be very surprised if there is a Live Phone-In as that can get very out of hand if the person on the other end is unwilling to co-operate. tongue.gif

My guess is that Brundle will join them in the studio for this as well... and it'll also give them a chance in this bit to refer back to past incidents/moments of a similar nature.
wrighty
Having just relayed the details (many thanks DMN) to a fellow racing fan in the office whom we shall refer to as GOM (Grumpy Old Man lol.gif ), his retort was along the lines of 'well on my freeview box the red button channels are on channels 301, 302 and 303, how am i supposed to watch those?'.......my question to the BB is as follows: Should I just headbutt him or is a punch in the face more appropriate? I shall of course be shouting 'shut up!' while i do this smile.gif Shall we set a poll?


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well I like the sound of the coverage, even if GOM has misgivings, but i'll still indulge in the Autosport chatroom during the coverage of course......stop groaning at the back tongue.gif
Buttoneer
Originally posted by D.M.N.

I'll be very surprised if there is a Live Phone-In as that can get very out of hand if the person on the other end is unwilling to co-operate. tongue.gif
A live phone in would be awesome. Just think of the many 'Five Star' moments we could look forward to.
Slartibartfast
Originally posted by wrighty
Having just relayed the details (many thanks DMN) to a fellow racing fan in the office whom we shall refer to as GOM (Grumpy Old Man lol.gif ), his retort was along the lines of 'well on my freeview box the red button channels are on channels 301, 302 and 303, how am i supposed to watch those?'.......my question to the BB is as follows: Should I just headbutt him or is a punch in the face more appropriate? I shall of course be shouting 'shut up!' while i do this smile.gif Shall we set a poll?


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When I press the red button, all I get is a black screen confused.gif

stevvy1986
personally i'd hope they do show saturday practice 1 way or another (tv/red button/online im not really fussed)
Snap Matt
Originally posted by stevvy1986
personally i'd hope they do show saturday practice 1 way or another (tv/red button/online im not really fussed)

Red button and online would be the most they could justify broadcasting. I'm a loyal viewer when it comes to F1, but I wouldn't rearrange my Saturday to watch FP3 as well... that's not to say I won't bother at all, but I wouldn't want to let it stop me from getting more important things done.
D.M.N.
jb says Saturday practice will be live on the Red Button and online.
The Lonely
Works fine here.
stevvy1986
Originally posted by D.M.N.
jb says Saturday practice will be live on the Red Button and online.


no complaints from me if thats the case,would have been disappointed if FP3 wouldnt have been shown at all,so even just being on the red button/online will do me fine
Crazy Ninja
I cant wait now so much f1 on me tv smile.gif
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