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Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by dank


Going against the grain here, but the subtle remix that features in the 'F1's greatest hits' video on the BBC website was quite good. If they beefed it up a bit it would bring it into this millennium at least, though undoubtedly lead to a flood of complaints.

But hey ho, it's only a tune at the end of the day.

Yes, you can be quite sure that the new coverage will not feature the old/original version anyway, it'll be a 'modernised' version, no doubt.

If you ask me, the best sports tune was that of Grandstand. up.gif Shame they dumped the whole program a few years ago.
stevvy1986
the BBC have already confirmed it'll be the original version,not some new modernised remix version-personally although people say what's the big deal,as far as I and many others are concerned,that theme is associated with F1,just as the grandstand theme was associated with that-almost every classic show has its own theme tune, that when you hear it makes you think 'thats grandstand' or 'thats eastenders' or whatever,because you know that the music you're hearing IS that programme,and no other,and you know exactly whats on tv when you hear it-even if you're just in a different room and you hear the coronation street theme for example,you know,even though you cant see it,that that music is telling you what programme is on............hearing a remix of the chain or some other rubbish song in another room wouldn't make you think 'oh F1 is on' you'd likely be thinking 'oh,i wonder whats on' and then go in and find its F1 or whatever
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by stevvy1986
the BBC have already confirmed it'll be the original version....

I have my doubts tbh.
D.M.N.
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

Well I was going on what was shown on the Freeview loop this afternoon. Shame they didn't show the other stuff you mentioned.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7928828.stm - Kovalainen interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technolo...000/7923442.stm - Horner interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7911490.stm - Part from Fry interview. smile.gif

Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

I have my doubts tbh.


I suggest listening to the trailer here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7911126.stm) and note the end bit. They have already confirmed it'll be the original.
Dooly Tilly

Thanks. up.gif
DN5
Well, based on the nice red button F1 feature I would say they do have a modernised version of the Chain.

Geoff
D.M.N.
Originally posted by DN5
Well, based on the nice red button F1 feature I would say they do have a modernised version of the Chain.

Geoff


It is not modernised... the bit on the Red Button maybe, but the opening is almost certainly going to be the original - there would be an uproar if it wasn't. The last part of the trailer features the original Chain.
Ross Stonefeld
An uproar over an intro song? confused.gif
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by D.M.N.

the original Chain.

That video is really really crap. lol.gif down.gif
stevvy1986
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

I have my doubts tbh.


so you have your doubts that it will be the chain (the original version) even though they've confirmed it several times?comical
D.M.N.
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

That video is really really crap. lol.gif down.gif


Better advertising than ITV ever did for F1 in their 12 years.
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by stevvy1986


so you have your doubts that it will be the chain (the original version) even though they've confirmed it several times?comical

yes.
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by D.M.N.


Better advertising than ITV ever did for F1 in their 12 years.

Is it? I remember when in the early days ITV actually took their F1 coverage quite seriously and they did actually advertise the GPs in the week leading up to them. I can't say their efforts were any worse than that BBC garbage. :\
stevvy1986
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

yes.


go on,care to explain your reasoning for it? (i'm predicting it'll make me laugh and make me think 'are you having a laugh?')
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by stevvy1986


go on,care to explain your reasoning for it? (i'm predicting it'll make me laugh and make me think 'are you having a laugh?')


1) I already said I don't care what music they use, but that I think the obsession people have with The Chain is very odd.
2) I don't think they will use the original version because that was part of an old era of GP coverage which has now long since passed. At the most they might use a little bit of the original... I really don't think it will be like the 1996 intros and exits.
stevvy1986
if they've confirmed several times over that they'll use the original version, then thats what they'll be using-not sure why thats so difficult for you to understand?
MichaelPM
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly
I think the obsession people have with The Chain is very odd.
Emotion.
MichaelPM
Originally posted by D.M.N.


It is not modernised... the bit on the Red Button maybe, but the opening is almost certainly going to be the original - there would be an uproar if it wasn't. The last part of the trailer features the original Chain.
They really should not of dubbed real F1 sounds onto that video.
D.M.N.
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

Is it? I remember when in the early days ITV actually took their F1 coverage quite seriously and they did actually advertise the GPs in the week leading up to them. I can't say their efforts were any worse than that BBC garbage. :\


Did ITV advertise 3 weeks before the season? Did they advertise all over their website including their homepage?
dank
Does anybody really care?!!
pRy
Originally posted by D.M.N.


Did ITV advertise 3 weeks before the season? Did they advertise all over their website including their homepage?


Yup they probably did. What difference does that make to peoples opinions that the trailer is rubbish?
RodrigoL
Originally posted by D.M.N.


Did ITV advertise 3 weeks before the season? Did they advertise all over their website including their homepage?


As much as I disliked ITV, even to this day their website is a few steps beyond that of the BBC. You've been drooling over blogs so much lately but failed to mention ITV provided several of these. In fact, Ted Kravitz' GP notes always included some of the most insightful information from an F1 website.. So far, the best to come from the BBC is a blog on The Stig, something to do with Anjelina Jolie and a lot of Hamilton ramblings.

As for the advertising part, I seem to remember ITV doing a pre-season show every year before the season started, which included interviews with drivers or actual video coverage of testing. Also, this program was placed on ITV1, not some godforsaken red-button channel. Once again, if we compare this to the beeb's effort, it seems like ITV were doing a respectable job.

For now, the BBC is milking F1 because:
a)Hamilton is a bit of a celebrity in the UK
b)They need to inform casual fans that F1 has moved from ITV

Once the Lewis hype goes down a bit, and no more potential viewers can be attracted through ads, I expect F1 to be reduced to a MotoGP type component of the BBC's average sport services..
D.M.N.
Originally posted by RodrigoL
As much as I disliked ITV, even to this day their website is a few steps beyond that of the BBC. You've been drooling over blogs so much lately but failed to mention ITV provided several of these. In fact, Ted Kravitz' GP notes always included some of the most insightful information from an F1 website.. So far, the best to come from the BBC is a blog on The Stig, something to do with Anjelina Jolie and a lot of Hamilton ramblings.

As for the advertising part, I seem to remember ITV doing a pre-season show every year before the season started, which included interviews with drivers or actual video coverage of testing. Also, this program was placed on ITV1, not some godforsaken red-button channel. Once again, if we compare this to the beeb's effort, it seems like ITV were doing a respectable job.


Agreed about the website... although I expect the BBC F1 website to improve in content and layout over the coming months.

Actually... what is on the Red Button is not actually a "preview" show as such... I have no idea why they've decided to call it that. My understanding is that a preview show will air on Sunday, 22nd March on BBC One (time TBC).

At least the Beeb have already utilized the archive footage in their contract... ITV had the option to air all races again up to 10 years previously, they could have aired old races on ITV4 through last season from 1998 or beyond, but chose otherwise.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by RodrigoL


As much as I disliked ITV, even to this day their website is a few steps beyond that of the BBC. You've been drooling over blogs so much lately but failed to mention ITV provided several of these. In fact, Ted Kravitz' GP notes always included some of the most insightful information from an F1 website.. So far, the best to come from the BBC is a blog on The Stig, something to do with Anjelina Jolie and a lot of Hamilton ramblings.

As for the advertising part, I seem to remember ITV doing a pre-season show every year before the season started, which included interviews with drivers or actual video coverage of testing. Also, this program was placed on ITV1, not some godforsaken red-button channel. Once again, if we compare this to the beeb's effort, it seems like ITV were doing a respectable job.

For now, the BBC is milking F1 because:
a)Hamilton is a bit of a celebrity in the UK
b)They need to inform casual fans that F1 has moved from ITV

Once the Lewis hype goes down a bit, and no more potential viewers can be attracted through ads, I expect F1 to be reduced to a MotoGP type component of the BBC's average sport services..


Loving that no one wants the BBC to succeed rolleyes.gif

Might as well not show it
Silver999
Originally posted by RodrigoL


As much as I disliked ITV, even to this day their website is a few steps beyond that of the BBC. You've been drooling over blogs so much lately but failed to mention ITV provided several of these. In fact, Ted Kravitz' GP notes always included some of the most insightful information from an F1 website.. So far, the best to come from the BBC is a blog on The Stig, something to do with Anjelina Jolie and a lot of Hamilton ramblings.

As for the advertising part, I seem to remember ITV doing a pre-season show every year before the season started, which included interviews with drivers or actual video coverage of testing. Also, this program was placed on ITV1, not some godforsaken red-button channel. Once again, if we compare this to the beeb's effort, it seems like ITV were doing a respectable job.

For now, the BBC is milking F1 because:
a)Hamilton is a bit of a celebrity in the UK
b)They need to inform casual fans that F1 has moved from ITV

Once the Lewis hype goes down a bit, and no more potential viewers can be attracted through ads, I expect F1 to be reduced to a MotoGP type component of the BBC's average sport services..


You truly are a moron,don't you get it,no adverts and no james f**kin allen = quality coverage rolleyes.gif
djellison
F1
- adverts
- James Allen
=Win

Given that all sessions will be available online - it's a double win.

Quite what grounds for complaint one might have at this stage - I don't know.
Kenaltgr
The 1996 BBC coverage was already better than anything that ITV did in 12 years. This year will be no comparison, ITV was garbage.
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by Kenaltgr
The 1996 BBC coverage was already better than anything that ITV did in 12 years.

What nonsense. lol.gif
The ITV coverage in 1997 through to 1999 was pretty damn good.
D.M.N.
Originally posted by Kenaltgr
The 1996 BBC coverage was already better than anything that ITV did in 12 years. This year will be no comparison, ITV was garbage.


roflmao.gif

That has to be a joke. ITV's coverage in 1997 was a huge step up from the coverage BBC offered in 1996 - it was only in the last few years [say since 2006] where viewers have really become critical of ITV's coverage with the "Hamilton effect" playing its part. ITV's coverage wasn't really helped when you have one driver dominating for the best part of 3/4 years. Of course, adverts were another thing; but that really couldn't be helped I guess.

Also, on Twitter, I asked the following to LeeMcK: "will any of the interviews be put on the BBC F1 website or shown during the preview show? Thanks."

She replied: "Interviews are for pre-race Oz so you will see them. Lots of fun behind the scenes with drivers/ team bosses has been filmed."

She'll also be providing updates from Barcelona:

LeeMcK: This is a practice from my phone so i can attempt to twitter from pit lane and avoid being run over!
LeeMcK: it worked! Expect updates from Barcelona tomorrow and Tuesday! about 3 hours ago from web

So, she'll be Twittering from the pitlane it seems.wink.gif

Just to go back to The Chain point, it will be the original:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/20....html#comment15

# 15. At 3:53pm on 06 Mar 2009, Andrew Benson - BBC Sport wrote: Hi all,

I'm responsible for the F1 coverage on the BBC Sport website, and I can address a couple of the points that you have raised here in response to Mark's blog.

1) The Chain - yes, the TV theme tune will be the iconic original version of this track, as used by the BBC previously. We feel it is inextricably linked with the BBC and F1, and still the perfect soundtrack for the sport.

2) The multi-screen option on the red button will only be available during the race.

3) Lewis Hamilton versus the rest - we will obviously be devoting significant coverage to Hamilton as he is a) the world champion and b) the leading British driver. But we feel it is extremely important that we enable you to get to know the rest of the drivers as well. So we will be devoting a lot of time to introducing them and revealing them as people. This applies to the teams as well. We want to give as broad and rounded coverage of F1 as we can. As our F1 presenter Jake Humphrey put it on his blog on Thursday: "I, and I know the team too, are firm believers that Lewis will be well covered by us as a defending British Champion...but it's so important for all the drivers to be in the public conscience...if you don't know who Lewis is battling against then the sport, for me, loses a huge part of it's drama...and many drivers have great stories to tell...we'll tell them all don't you worry." Complain about this comment
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by D.M.N.

That has to be a joke. ITV's coverage in 1997 was a [B]huge
step up from the coverage BBC offered in 1996 - it was only in the last few years [say since 2006] where viewers have really become critical of ITV's coverage with the "Hamilton effect" playing its part. [/B]


I would grade ITV-F1 coverage over the 12 seasons like this:

1997 *****
1998 ****.5
1999 ****
2000 ***
2001 ***
2002 ***
2003 ***
2004 **
2005 **
2006 *.5
2007 *
2008 *

Really, apart from hiring silly Murray, ITV's coverage in the first couple of seasons was superb. They started with Simon Taylor and Tony Jardine in the studio with Jim before and after the race. The Murray & Martin Saturday show was nice in the evenings, and the build up features were entertaining and the post-race analysis was decent.
Sadly, Simon Taylor was gone by 1998, but the rest remained the same. Another good year for F1 fans in Britain.

By 1999 they had ditched the Saturday evening show, which was a disappointment. Overall though, the coverage was still good, and they had lots of different guests in the studio for different races (team bosses, ex drivers, F3000 guys, etc.)
So a great first 3 years for ITV-F1, but in 2000 their commitment seemed less. They didn't show the United States Grand Prix live on ITV1 which was very disappointing for those affected. Also, by 2000 the quality of pre-race features has slumped somewhat.
2001, 2002 and 2003 were alright, but it was annoying when they did those ridiculous Beverley Turner features. rolleyes.gif It was disappointing that Friday practice wasn't shown live, but a logical decision none the less.

2004 was the first year when it really took a drastic turn for the worse IMO. Gone was the studio and instead Jim and Tony (or Mark) would stand around in the paddock. It really seemed as though the budget had been cut significantly. The obsession with Jenson Button and his family was also extremely irritating. Never before had ITV shown this obsessive side to their coverage... even back in the early days with Hill still around they didn't obsess over him in the way they were now doing with mediocre JB with his string on 3rd place finishes. :/
2005 was much the same as '04, although to some degree the Button thing was tamed by the BAR team being far less competitive and the season being far more exciting generally, giving scope for plenty of more interesting discussions (Renault vs McLaren).
2006 was terrible though. The Button obsession was back with a vengeance and Steve Rider's addition to the ITV crew made no obvious impact, although his voice and manner is less annoying than Jim's IMO.

2007 and 2008 needs no explanation .... the Hamilton thing just totally took the piss..... down.gif

So basically they started off very well but got gradually worse and finished off crap. Pity. frown.gif
Crazy Ninja
How can you remember so far back? confused.gif
Talisker
...Lewis Hamilton versus the rest - we will obviously be devoting significant coverage to Hamilton as he is a) the world champion and b) the leading British driver. But we feel it is extremely important that we enable you to get to know the rest of the drivers as well. So we will be devoting a lot of time to introducing them and revealing them as people...

Aaargh! We're not talking about Oprah here - I don't want to know more about the other drivers as people, I just want good hard factual coverage of their racing, team issues, car development etc.
jonpollak
Although the kid posted this link a while back I suggest you....
Interact with your broadcaster.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/20...job_in_the.html

Jp
Dooly Tilly
Originally posted by Crazy Ninja
How can you remember so far back? confused.gif

Recordings. smile.gif
FranchittiFan26
I've just realised something strange. I don't know if it's been mentioned before and I'm sorry if it has but ITV's coverage began in 1997 with Damon Hill the defending British world champion and this year the BBC's coverage begins with Lewis Hamilton the defending British world champion

Completely pointless to know but strange nonetheless lol.gif
D.M.N.
101. At 2:00pm on 09 Mar 2009, Andrew Benson - BBC Sport wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks for your comments - it's great to see so much interest in this idea.

Your remarks have got us thinking, and we have come up with a slight tweak to our approach to this.

I had not made it clear earlier that for the winning race we would be offering the full highlights programme - as broadcast at the time - on the red button interactive TV service, where such a programme exists. The red button service would also show the shorter cuts of the other four races.

Following your feedback, though, we have decided to extend that service to the internet. So, where applicable, for the race that wins, we will be offering both the full highlights programme - or "Grand Prix" as it was called at the time - as well as the shorther edit. And the shorter edits of all the other races.

Unfortunately, this will not be possible for races for which the BBC did not have the broadcast rights at the time - ie, anything from 1997-2008.


On another subject, I know that a lot of you have expressed an interest in the 2002 Australian Grand Prix - and rightly so. The reason we did not choose that as one of our five options is that we have not got all the tapes from that race - some of them are missing. So we were unable to cut a satisfactory package.

We will, though, try to find them for next year - and bear in mind that one of the reasons we have asked you for your own suggestions is that we want to continue this idea into 2010, and your ideas for classic races will be added to ours to come up with a new shortlist for each event then.


Very happy about that. smile.gif
The Lonely
That's good news smile.gif
Ross Stonefeld
Australia 2002? What was special about that?
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Australia 2002? What was special about that?
Start crash between Ralf and Rubens launched Ralf over Rubens car?
Webber scores points in first race?
SchumiBoy
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Australia 2002? What was special about that?


Barichello/Ralf at the start.
Raikkonen blowing the restart and going offtrack
Schumacer chasing and repassing Montoya
Webber in the points
Blythy
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Australia 2002? What was special about that?


massive collision at the start, minardi finishing 5th
stevvy1986
think it was actually DC that blew the restart (or 1 of the restarts anyway) plus we had an underpowered Trulli trying to fend off schumi until he managed to spin out in front of him-would choose 2003 over 2002 personally (even though the winning races will get a short highlights edit,don't think 2007 should even get that,as it was only notable for hamilton's debut,was hardly a classic race)
pRy
Not sure if this hasn't already been mentioned.. I'll be amazed if it hasn't.. but anyway..

11 minute 2008 review here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7931354.stm
D.M.N.
MOTORING: Live Porsche Supercup
On: British Eurosport (410)
Date: Saturday 25th April 2009 (starting in 45 days)
Time: 10:30 to 11:15 (45 minutes long)

Coverage of the first race from the opening round of the 2009 Porsche Supercup season, as 26 identical Posrche 911's go head to head at the Sakhir racetrack in Bahrain.
(Live)

-------------------

Just GP2 left to fill out then.....
man
The best thing BBC can do is to re-broadcast old races in full. The blog proves they are willing to listen. If enough people ask for it, i'm sure they could re-broadcast old races in full on the red button. So log on to the BBC and plead...now.

I would like to see them do that, possibly with some contemporary comments from Murray Walker, Nigel Roebuck and a driver from that time....i.e. 1981 Monaco GP with Murray, Roebuck and say John Watson or Nigel Mansell giving their input about racing cars from that era and old stories.
D.M.N.
Originally posted by man
The best thing BBC can do is to re-broadcast old races in full. The blog proves they are willing to listen. If enough people ask for it, i'm sure they could re-broadcast old races in full on the red button. So log on to the BBC and plead...now.

I would like to see them do that, possibly with some contemporary comments from Murray Walker, Nigel Roebuck and a driver from that time....i.e. 1981 Monaco GP with Murray, Roebuck and say John Watson or Nigel Mansell giving their input about racing cars from that era and old stories.


The best we'll have is the full old BBC F1 highlights programme from that particular race which will be 35/40 minutes in length. It'll also be put onto the Red Button.
D.M.N.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/...6_featuref1.jpg

jb26 says if you are on cable/satellite you will get the above for the race, if you are on Freeview you will get mosaic.
wewantourdarbyback
Just saw the full trail in BBC one for the first time.
rolf123
Sorry if this has already been posted but this is great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtms1IppbPg
fifi
Originally posted by D.M.N.


roflmao.gif

That has to be a joke. ITV's coverage in 1997 was a [B]huge
step up from the coverage BBC offered in 1996 - it was only in the last few years [say since 2006] where viewers have really become critical of ITV's coverage with the "Hamilton effect" playing its part. ITV's coverage wasn't really helped when you have one driver dominating for the best part of 3/4 years. Of course, adverts were another thing; but that really couldn't be helped I guess.

[/B]

bollocks

ITV went downhill when James Allen took over from Murray - the whole jenson love in which then came onto the hamilton love in
http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...3&highlight=itv - started in 05

search for itv in titles only in rc and rc archive and you have threads about them going back to 2000 about them and james allen since he took over
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