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Ali_G
Originally posted by D.M.N.
It seems like some viewers were unhappy their BBC Breakfast show was ripped up into pieces last Saturday by F1 Qualifying, check this out, 10:45 in.wink.gif


How many bloody outlets are there for the national news ? Some people are just looking for a reason to complain.
ceebdub
I watched every session of this weeks GP in the red button, I havent done that since the free Eurosport days
on Sir Alan,s enormous dish.Firstly I would like to say how good the practice commentary is , Anthony Davidson is superb, modest and knowlegable.If he doesnt get a drive (which he should) he has a great future on the other side of the cameras/mike.
Secondly, what is? wrong with EJ he is just being controversial for controversy sake? bring back Mike Gascoine, he was superb.
Ryongsyong
Legard was rather dodgy at first but was fine today, and didn't annoy me once. Anyone that still criticises him is being extremely unfair IMO. He's clearly improving a great deal.
Madras
Originally posted by Ryongsyong
Legard was rather dodgy at first but was fine today, and didn't annoy me once. Anyone that still criticises him is being extremely unfair IMO. He's clearly improving a great deal.


he was much better today, I think they've been training him.
Dalton007
EJ taking Sutil's side. WTF? lol.gif
kar
Originally posted by Madras


he was much better today, I think they've been training him.


"And down the hill he comes, what will it be" That is the new 'for sure', at least with Dullard.
Gilles12
What did Brundle say going in to Q3?

"So 12 qualifyers remain. 10 cars plus Coulthard Vs Jordan with Coulthard leading"

smile.gif
ForeverF1
Originally posted by kar


"And down the hill he comes, what will it be" That is the new 'for sure', at least with Dullard.


I don't think he said that regarding the Ferwawees....every other car yes.... cat.gif
Madras
Originally posted by kar


"And down the hill he comes, what will it be" That is the new 'for sure', at least with Dullard.


Yes he did mention coming down the hill a few times. And going up the hill...
Madras
Originally posted by Gilles12
What did Brundle say going in to Q3?

"So 12 qualifyers remain. 10 cars plus Coulthard Vs Jordan with Coulthard leading"

smile.gif


lol.gif
Gilles12
Originally posted by ForeverF1


I don't think he said that regarding the Ferwawees....every other car yes.... cat.gif


Was Heidfeld doing a spot in the commentary box after getting knocked out in Q1?
SirSaltire
Originally posted by ceebdub
Secondly, what is? wrong with EJ he is just being controversial for controversy sake? bring back Mike Gascoine, he was superb.


EJ wasn't quite as bad today but he still manages to contradict himself within the one sentence! Can't remember the exact words but something like 'Toyota's fast rise to the top with slow but sure progress' confused.gif roflmao.gif
MinT
Originally posted by Dalton007
EJ taking Sutil's side. WTF? lol.gif


Think he just wanted to contradict DC as usual..then realised he had made himself look a right turkey in the process - cue embarassed gurning/chuckle.
Gilles12
It's becoming clear now how Flav stole MS from under EJ's nose...
FredF1
Originally posted by Ryongsyong
Legard was rather dodgy at first but was fine today, and didn't annoy me once. Anyone that still criticises him is being extremely unfair IMO. He's clearly improving a great deal.




I was gobsmacked to hear him talk about the non existent crowd. A far cry from James Let's count everyone with a weekend ticket as three separate people Allen that's for sure.
pedrovski
Originally posted by FredF1




I was gobsmacked to hear him talk about the non existent crowd. A far cry from James Let's count everyone with a weekend ticket as three separate people Allen that's for sure.


I think the only reason he broughtthat up is due to the threat to the british gp.
The July Plot
I got a reply from the BBC about my complaint about Leg end, it read like this...


Thank you for your e-mail regarding the BBC One coverage of 'Formula One' broadcast on 19 April 2009. I'm happy to read that you're enjoying our coverage but I understand you're concerned because you feel Jonathan Legard's commentary is very poor quality.

I do apologise if you're unhappy with Jonathan Legard's commentary although he's an experienced F1 commentator who has covered the sport on BBC Radio 5 Live for approximately eight years with a long-standing knowledge of the sport.

We believe Jonathan has strong editorial integrity, but do we bear in mind that our F1 coverage has only recently started and so far we're very happy with how it went however I appreciate the time you've taken to raise your concerns and your feedback is most valued by the team in BBC Sport and we're confident that we can keep improving the coverage as the season goes on.

With your concerns in mind as you'd much prefer to have someone else such as James Allen or David Croft etc to contribute then I'd like to assure you that I've registered all of your comments on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that's circulated to many BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers.

The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content and all feedback we receive, whether positive or negative, is always appreciated.

Thank you again for contacting us.
Regards
Philip Young
BBC Complaints
Ross Stonefeld
Same as it ever was...
ceebdub
So you prefer the sycophantic James Allen to Legard, all Allen ever did was copy Brundle's little one liners, 'punching above is weight' etc and generally a$$ lick him.
MrAerodynamicist
They haven't fired George Lamb* from his radio show yet, so don't expect them to change a commentator mid-season just because a few people don't like him.

* if you don't know who he is, I advise you don't listen to his show to find out. Immolation is a serious risk.
Pharazon
Originally posted by mikejaeger
Doesn't kate silverstone do breakfast confused.gif


silverton
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by MrAerodynamicist
They haven't fired George Lamb* from his radio show yet, so don't expect them to change a commentator mid-season just because a few people don't like him.

* if you don't know who he is, I advise you don't listen to his show to find out. Immolation is a serious risk.


I'd advise against it, I'd rather listen to Talksh*te than that blithering idiot.
Imperial
Legard's 'best' effort today was as Jenson Button came up to the finish line to post his first fast lap (in Q2 IIRC) :

"And Jenson Button approaches the line to go through. (PAUSE) And Button goes through" Stops talking.

So, you don't feel it necessary to tell us what position that gave him Jonathan?
MinT
Actually I liked the bit where he thought he was looking at Vettel - then Bourdais..despite the car being pushed into the garage with the big Sebastien Buemi sign above it.
mclarensmps
He is better than Allen, but not by much, but to think that this is just a starting point, is encouraging. We really don't need Allen back, thanks very much.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Imperial
Legard's 'best' effort today was as Jenson Button came up to the finish line to post his first fast lap (in Q2 IIRC) :

"And Jenson Button approaches the line to go through. (PAUSE) And Button goes through" Stops talking.

So, you don't feel it necessary to tell us what position that gave him Jonathan?
With the big number on the screen.....


I point you to the gospel according to James Allen, Valencia 2008.

As Massa crosses the line to finish qualifying Allen screams:

Here comes Massa, can he do it?

at which point the number on the screen pops up big, red and showing 1:

No he can't........ Takes a second or so for Martin to point out his mistake and it to permeate through his skull YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS HE CAAAAAAAAAAAAN


Legard above JJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN every time.
Victor_RO
Originally posted by Gilles12
What did Brundle say going in to Q3?

"So 12 qualifyers remain. 10 cars plus Coulthard Vs Jordan with Coulthard leading"

smile.gif



That one is truly brilliant... roflmao.gif roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
Madras
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
With the big number on the screen.....


I point you to the gospel according to James Allen, Valencia 2008.

As Massa crosses the line to finish qualifying Allen screams:

Here comes Massa, can he do it?

at which point the number on the screen pops up big, red and showing 1:

No he can't........ Takes a second or so for Martin to point out his mistake and it to permeate through his skull YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS HE CAAAAAAAAAAAAN


Legard above JJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN every time.


Isnt Legard great for managing to "beat" James Allen...

tbh I thought Legard improved today. He has obviously been reading out posts and trying to improve.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Madras


Isnt Legard great for managing to "beat" James Allen...


what?
Madras
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback


what?


Buy an ear trumpet.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Madras


Buy an ear trumpet.
No... (surely it would be glasses anyway) I'd be fine if your post made sense.
Madras
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
No... (surely it would be glasses anyway) I'd be fine if your post made sense.


Which it would if you switched your brain on.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Madras


Which it would if you switched your brain on.
Brains on, where was I going on about Legard 'beating' Allen?

How can a commentator 'beat' another unless it's physically?
D.M.N.
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
How can a commentator 'beat' another unless it's physically?


Google Fight? http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=...rd2=James+Allen tongue.gif
Madras
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
Brains on, where was I going on about Legard 'beating' Allen?

How can a commentator 'beat' another unless it's physically?


Metaphorically. Like I said, brain on please.
ensign14
Originally posted by MrAerodynamicist
They haven't fired George Lamb* from his radio show yet, so don't expect them to change a commentator mid-season just because a few people don't like him.

* if you don't know who he is, I advise you don't listen to his show to find out. Immolation is a serious risk.
Oh my effing God, this is seriously true. You know there is enough iron in the average body to make a nail? We would be better off as a species with the nail.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by Madras


Metaphorically. Like I said, brain on please.
No, your statement was idiotic. Especially after you've spent a week making tedious polls about Allen being better. If anyone is trying to make it seem that one 'beat' the other it's you.
kar
My reply (plus original letter)

Dear Mr Bloggs

Thank you for your e-mail BBc One coverage of the 'Formula One' broadcast on 19 April 2009.

I'm happy to read that your enjoying our coverage but I understand you're concerned because you feel Jonathan Legard's commentary is very poor quality.

I do apologise if you're unhappy with Jonathan Legard's commentary although he's an experienced F1 commentator who has covered the sport on BBC Radio 5 Live for approximately eight years with a long-standing knowledge of the sport.

We believe Jonathan has strong editorial integrity, but do we bear in mind that our F1 coverage has only recently started and so far we're very happy with how it went however I appreciate the time you've taken to raise your concerns and your feedback is most valued by the team in BBC Sport and we're confident that we can keep improving the coverage as the season goes on.

It's true that the range of tastes and opinions held by our audience is so diverse and subjective that it's inevitable some viewers will dislike or disapprove of certain presenters such as Eddie Jordan and even Jonathan Legard. It's a very rare TV personality who meets with everyone's approval, and it's clear that opinions on individual presenters can vary considerably.

With your concerns in mind as you'd much prefer to have someone else such as James Allen to contribute and that you also feel there the insight isn't balanced so I'd like to assure you that I've registered all of your comments on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that's circulated to many BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers.

The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content and all feedback we receive, whether positive or negative, is always appreciated.

Thank you again for contacting us.

Regards

Peter Peter.
BBC Complaints
_________________________________
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

-----------Original message---------


I just wanted firstly to congratulate you on the effort you are putting into providing us with a broad and comprehensive coverage of the 2009 Formula 1 world championship. The level of commitment and content is a vast improvement to what we had on ITV in past years.

I have two principal complaints specifically regarding cast choices.

1. Eddie Jordan - I feel he provides very little value or insight into proceedings. I feel he tries too hard to overtly dominate the chatter between the three pundits and it comes at the expense of the very detailed insight of Coulthard and the more general view of Humphrey. Both of whom have an easy going way about them that is jarringly ruined by Jordan apparent narcissism.

Mike Gascoyne in contrast was a revelation, authoritative, clear, concise and interjected only when called upon. He did not try to dominate the discussion as Jordan does. I would rather just two pundits if someone of Gascoyne's calibre is unavailable as Jordan, rather than adding to the mix, takes much away from it.

2. Jonathon Legard's commentary. I know any commentator will be divisive, and it takes time to become accustomed to any commentator. But I just feel Legard comes across very staid and boring and betrays no true hint of passion for the sport or its proceedings. It comes across very forced, very bland and he has little report with Martin Brundle.

I would much prefer James Allen's return, personally. While also divisive, I find his passion for the sport very clear and he understands the sport on a far deeper level than Legard could ever hope to.

I realise much of my commentary here is subjective and no doubt for everyone like me that has issues with these cast members there are others who like them. I just wanted to register my unhappiness and remark on two points that could be improved on what is otherwise a fantastic coverage service.

Thank you very much for your time.

Kind regards,
Joe Bloggs
wewantourdarbyback
Wow... I can't believe you're actually called Joe Bloggs eek.gif


wink.gif
kar
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
Wow... I can't believe you're actually called Joe Bloggs eek.gif


wink.gif


Some names were changed to protect the innocent smile.gif
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by kar


Some names were changed to protect the innocent smile.gif


Watching F1 soils anyone's 'innocence'.
D.M.N.
I wonder if anyone come Monday will regret complaining to the BBC about Jonathan Legard's performance....
MWM
Short of using Nikki Graham from Big Brother, there is nobody who would be a worse choice than James Allen.

A jingoistic over-emotional greasy-haired twunt is surely not what we need. Legard may be far from perfect, but it would be like replacing an itchy knee with an amputated leg.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by MWM
twunt


*snicker*
Ross Stonefeld
Originally posted by D.M.N.
I wonder if anyone come Monday will regret complaining to the BBC about Jonathan Legard's performance....


Do you anticipate him improving dramatically by the start of tomorrow's race?
item3785
Originally posted by MWM
Short of using Nikki Graham from Big Brother, there is nobody who would be a worse choice than James Allen.

A jingoistic over-emotional greasy-haired twunt is surely not what we need. Legard may be far from perfect, but it would be like replacing an itchy knee with an amputated leg.


roflmao.gif
MrAerodynamicist
Originally posted by MWM
Short of using Nikki Graham from Big Brother, there is nobody who would be a worse choice than James Allen.

Be fair, there's quite a few. How does commentary by Simon Cowell and Piers Morgan sound? Or the New Labour version (Alistair Darling would claim that Britain's Button and Hamilton would be sure of the top spots on the grounds they wouldn't need to stop for fuel. When it's pointed out that's impossible, Jacqui Smith would claim it's an affront to Britain's working class and she's sure that they rules can be changed.)
pRy
Originally posted by D.M.N.
I wonder if anyone come Monday will regret complaining to the BBC about Jonathan Legard's performance....


What have you read?
Madras
Originally posted by D.M.N.
I wonder if anyone come Monday will regret complaining to the BBC about Jonathan Legard's performance....


I dont. I actually think he was a bit better today and it could well be down to the complaints. They probably got The Cock in in a consultancy capacity to help Legard improve.
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