adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
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Originally posted by archstanton
adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
Some of your arguments are VERY invalid.
You say: "give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding." - remember Canada and Brazil races? At first, ITV broadcasted LIVE qualifying in 1997 and 1998, then what? They were recorded coverage or bumped to ITV2.
Remember the 2000 US GP? RACE Coverage LIVE on ITV2, with recorded coverage later on ITV1.
i'm not arguing that itv are great ...
i'm saying they are passable, but at even at that, clearly better than the current F1 average.
i'm saying they were clearly far superior to the last time the BBC had it
and i'm saying that if the BBC go to form, and looking at the rest of the corporations output, it's a fair bet, it'll go south.
so all that combined, when you plot the curve, no matter how much is wrong with it, ITV will look like a golden age.
i'm saying they are passable, but at even at that, clearly better than the current F1 average.
i'm saying they were clearly far superior to the last time the BBC had it
and i'm saying that if the BBC go to form, and looking at the rest of the corporations output, it's a fair bet, it'll go south.
so all that combined, when you plot the curve, no matter how much is wrong with it, ITV will look like a golden age.
Originally posted by archstanton
i'm not arguing that itv are great ...
i'm saying they are passable, but at even at that, clearly better than the current F1 average.
i'm saying they were clearly far superior to the last time the BBC had it
and i'm saying that if the BBC go to form, and looking at the rest of the corporations output, it's a fair bet, it'll go south.
so all that combined, when you plot the curve, no matter how much is wrong with it, ITV will look like a golden age.
i'm not arguing that itv are great ...
i'm saying they are passable, but at even at that, clearly better than the current F1 average.
i'm saying they were clearly far superior to the last time the BBC had it
and i'm saying that if the BBC go to form, and looking at the rest of the corporations output, it's a fair bet, it'll go south.
so all that combined, when you plot the curve, no matter how much is wrong with it, ITV will look like a golden age.
Don't forget the quality of the world feed camerawork has improved vastly since the last BBC era. I won't miss most of the actual ITV footage, a decent race commentator/pundit will do for me. And if FoM shoot in HD, apparently BBC will transmit it on Freesat (someone said up the thread I think).
Anyways, before it is too late, one guesses seeking for proxies must start right now. One thinks it would not be as easy to watch 'abroad' as it has been with ITV...
Ouch...
Cuz it's been nice.
Jp
Cuz it's been nice.
Jp
Originally posted by archstanton
i'm not arguing that itv are great ...
i'm saying they are passable, but at even at that, clearly better than the current F1 average.
i'm saying they were clearly far superior to the last time the BBC had it
and i'm saying that if the BBC go to form, and looking at the rest of the corporations output, it's a fair bet, it'll go south.
so all that combined, when you plot the curve, no matter how much is wrong with it, ITV will look like a golden age.
i'm not arguing that itv are great ...
i'm saying they are passable, but at even at that, clearly better than the current F1 average.
i'm saying they were clearly far superior to the last time the BBC had it
and i'm saying that if the BBC go to form, and looking at the rest of the corporations output, it's a fair bet, it'll go south.
so all that combined, when you plot the curve, no matter how much is wrong with it, ITV will look like a golden age.
Are you James Allen in disguise?
From Pitpass.com
Still no news on BBC's line-up for next season, when the British broadcaster takes over Formula One coverage from ITV, after the commercial channel opted to walk away from its contract early.
As a result of the Olympics - the BBC having sent more people to Beijing than there were British athletes - the F1 project has been 'on hold' in recent weeks, though the broadcaster did play host to Bernie Ecclestone during his trip to China, giving him a guided tour of its Olympic HQ.
With the Olympics out of the way, the BBC is now looking ahead to 2009 and the return of F1 - one of the few sports in its dwindling catalogue - however there is no serious news as to who will make up the broadcast team.
According to rumour David Croft, Ben Edwards and Jonathan Legard lead the way, with Pitpass sources adamant that Legard - a BBC stalwart - has taken over from Croft as favourite to land the prize role.
While Steve Ryder, James Allen and Louise Goodman are not part of the BBC's plans it is hoped that the British broadcaster has not overlooked Ted Kravitz who has done a sterling job as pitlane reporter for ITV since 2002.
The Englishman has a reputation for getting the facts and keeping his head under difficult conditions, when all about him appear to be losing theirs, a typical example being Indianapolis 2005, when, courtesy of some excellent digging around, Kravitz was one of the first journalists to seriously cast doubt on whether the United States Grand Prix would go ahead.
As for the ubiquitous role of F1 pundit, while there is no news regarding Martin Brundle retaining his position, many believe that David Coulthard would be a welcome addition to the team, partly due to his no nonsense non-PC approach, and partly due to the fact that he has hands on experience of contemporary F1 machinery.
It's believed that the BBC will announce further details of its plans around the time of the forthcoming Italian GP weekend.
As a result of the Olympics - the BBC having sent more people to Beijing than there were British athletes - the F1 project has been 'on hold' in recent weeks, though the broadcaster did play host to Bernie Ecclestone during his trip to China, giving him a guided tour of its Olympic HQ.
With the Olympics out of the way, the BBC is now looking ahead to 2009 and the return of F1 - one of the few sports in its dwindling catalogue - however there is no serious news as to who will make up the broadcast team.
According to rumour David Croft, Ben Edwards and Jonathan Legard lead the way, with Pitpass sources adamant that Legard - a BBC stalwart - has taken over from Croft as favourite to land the prize role.
While Steve Ryder, James Allen and Louise Goodman are not part of the BBC's plans it is hoped that the British broadcaster has not overlooked Ted Kravitz who has done a sterling job as pitlane reporter for ITV since 2002.
The Englishman has a reputation for getting the facts and keeping his head under difficult conditions, when all about him appear to be losing theirs, a typical example being Indianapolis 2005, when, courtesy of some excellent digging around, Kravitz was one of the first journalists to seriously cast doubt on whether the United States Grand Prix would go ahead.
As for the ubiquitous role of F1 pundit, while there is no news regarding Martin Brundle retaining his position, many believe that David Coulthard would be a welcome addition to the team, partly due to his no nonsense non-PC approach, and partly due to the fact that he has hands on experience of contemporary F1 machinery.
It's believed that the BBC will announce further details of its plans around the time of the forthcoming Italian GP weekend.
Well it could be worse, it could look like this:-
quote:
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Still no news on BBC's line-up for next season, when the British broadcaster takes over Lewis Hamiltons Formula One coverage from ITV, after the commercial channel opted to walk away from its contract early.
As a result of the Olympics - the BBC having sent more people to Beijing than there were British athletes - the Hamilton project has been 'on hold' in recent weeks, though the broadcaster did play host to Bernie Ecclestone during his trip to China, giving him a guided tour of its Olympic HQ.
With the Olympics out of the way, the BBC is now looking ahead to 2009 and the return of Lewis Hamilton and F1 - one of the few sports in its dwindling catalogue - however there is no serious news as to who will make up the broadcast team.
According to rumour James Allen, James Allen and James Allen lead the way, with Pitpass sources adamant that Allen - a ITV stalwart - has taken over from Croft as favourite to land the prize role.
While Steve Ryder, James Allen and Louise Goodman are part of the BBC's plans it is hoped that the British broadcaster has overlooked Ted Kravitz who has done a not too bad but not really good enough job as pitlane reporter for ITV since 2002.
The Englishman has a reputation for getting the facts wrong and losing his head under difficult conditions, when all about him appear to be keeping theirs, a typical example being Indianapolis 2005, when, courtesy of some slow digging around, Kravitz was one of the last journalists to seriously cast doubt on whether the United States Grand Prix would go ahead.
As for the ubiquitous role of F1 pundit, while there is no news regarding Martin Brundle retaining his position, many believe that James Allen would be a welcome addition to the team, partly due to his nonsense PC approach, and partly due to the fact that he has hands.
It's believed that the BBC will announce further details of its plans around the time of the forthcoming Italian GP weekend.
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quote:
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Still no news on BBC's line-up for next season, when the British broadcaster takes over Lewis Hamiltons Formula One coverage from ITV, after the commercial channel opted to walk away from its contract early.
As a result of the Olympics - the BBC having sent more people to Beijing than there were British athletes - the Hamilton project has been 'on hold' in recent weeks, though the broadcaster did play host to Bernie Ecclestone during his trip to China, giving him a guided tour of its Olympic HQ.
With the Olympics out of the way, the BBC is now looking ahead to 2009 and the return of Lewis Hamilton and F1 - one of the few sports in its dwindling catalogue - however there is no serious news as to who will make up the broadcast team.
According to rumour James Allen, James Allen and James Allen lead the way, with Pitpass sources adamant that Allen - a ITV stalwart - has taken over from Croft as favourite to land the prize role.
While Steve Ryder, James Allen and Louise Goodman are part of the BBC's plans it is hoped that the British broadcaster has overlooked Ted Kravitz who has done a not too bad but not really good enough job as pitlane reporter for ITV since 2002.
The Englishman has a reputation for getting the facts wrong and losing his head under difficult conditions, when all about him appear to be keeping theirs, a typical example being Indianapolis 2005, when, courtesy of some slow digging around, Kravitz was one of the last journalists to seriously cast doubt on whether the United States Grand Prix would go ahead.
As for the ubiquitous role of F1 pundit, while there is no news regarding Martin Brundle retaining his position, many believe that James Allen would be a welcome addition to the team, partly due to his nonsense PC approach, and partly due to the fact that he has hands.
It's believed that the BBC will announce further details of its plans around the time of the forthcoming Italian GP weekend.
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i certainly hope for their famous world charm.
Originally posted by archstanton
adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
Pretty much the way it will be ---
Originally posted by undersquare
Losing the 5 advert breaks will make a big difference to the continuity of the race.
snip
Losing the 5 advert breaks will make a big difference to the continuity of the race.
snip
Do 'ya think Di Nozzo ?
Adverts make no difference for me ---
Originally posted by archstanton
adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
adverts schmadverts,
yeh a pain in the arse, but are you saying you'd prefer dire, mediocre but uninterrupted content, to something halfway decent with a few breaks to pay the bills ... not all broadcasters have the luxury of sending to jail people who don't choose to subscribe to their services.
never mind the quality, feel the lack of commercials, naah, not so clearcut.
i haven't seen any football for years, so i can't compare, but from what i recall, the bbc "punditry" consisted of clowns like hansen, lineker and wright ... and you are concerned about petty nationalistic bullshit dressed up as coverage from the itv mob. there is nothing to suggest that bbc will be any less lewis obsessed.
the 5live coverage is remarkably weak, and with members of that mob already turning up in rumours, it looks grim. the bbc will bring it's dull, leaden, weirdly stale 1970s presentation touch to the whole affair ... lumpy and stodgy. but remarkably expensive nonetheless.
you also seem to confuse the amount of airfuel carbon they burned or spacious hotelrooms they consumed with quality of coverage, they are not actually the same. yeah we know they love to ship a ton of people out to all the events they cover ... the BBC team at the olympics was larger than the british olympic team ... but they aint paying for it, so fuck it.
but if it's just for the purposes of an idiotic ear-piece driven two-way, superficially regurgitating the main talking points that we have already discussed to death here, i don't care whether the blow dried anchor and language mangling ex-driver are in the paddock or in a london studio. no-one should.
so what d'you expect ... yeah maybe out the box it'll be shiny, and with extra bandwidth to play with, something or other might show up on the red button ... which probably won't see much take-up (if there's people here not even using the indispensible FIA live-timing), so we've got the vanilla FOM feed, but with a new stuttery commentary team trying to find their rhythm .... oh and an old theme tune. is that your revolution?
... and then what.
no competition, remember it was ITV that punted it, not the BBC that won it ... if they do the usual and start shunting stuff round the schedules, or cutting-in, what are bernie's options? none. and us, we have to lump it. give it a coupla years and wait for the qually to start sliding. that's your cue to refind this thread.
don't expect much push from bbc management, look at the contempt they have for something like top gear, that clobbers in the ratings and sells round the world to turn a hefty profit ... they'd shut it down in a second as soon as the numbers slip .... what chance has something like F1 got, zero resale and turgid races.
like i say, itv, golden age, mark it.
Well we have to pay our license fee whether F1 is on the Beeb or not, so I for one would rather have it spent on something I actually want to watch. On the football side I personally find the BBC's offering to be superior in everyway to ITV's coverage, but then one mans meat is another mans poison.
I can't show any proof on this one, but a contact I have at the BBC told me that ITV did not dump F1, they didn't want to lose it, and were actually shocked at what happened. It was Bernie that approached the BBC with an offer.
What's the problem with Top Gear? It's a light hearted motoring based entertainment show, and quite rightly would lose it's slot if the ratings started to slide. That's not showing contempt, that's simply doing their job.
Originally posted by britishtrident
Do 'ya think Di Nozzo ?
Adverts make no difference for me ---
Do 'ya think Di Nozzo ?
Adverts make no difference for me ---
I'd hazard a guess that your in the minority on that one. I've never liked them and still swear at the TV everytime they go to an advert.
Originally posted by britishtrident
Adverts make no difference for me ---
Adverts make no difference for me ---
Well, they should do
Originally posted by britishtrident
Do 'ya think Di Nozzo ?
Adverts make no difference for me ---
Do 'ya think Di Nozzo ?
Adverts make no difference for me ---
they make a difference to me,so many times theyve gone to a break and missed something (eg schumi engine blowup in japan in 2006 a couple of seconds before they went to a break,coonstantly missing restarts after the safety car has been out etc) i'll be glad to have uninterrupted coverage
I think replacing Brundle with DC would be a mistake, Martin has a bit of flair about him, gets involved in it and shows genuine feeling ("oh no, thats the last thing he'll want to see, thats worked out terribly" or "theres going to be a big smile in that helmet right now" etc). I just can't see DC being anywhere near as dynamic, let alone the quick quips Martin comes out with.
Martin also understands the whole business - hell he was/is? DCs manager, he understands the business side of it, I think DC will still be in "Im a driver" mode and wont be able to give the perspective that Martin can.
Can you imagine DC doing a gridwalk and grabbing hold of anyone and everyone whilst dodging past mechanics/team owners/random celebrities and managing improvised chats/quips? no, me either.
Edwards/Croft are okay I guess (I prefer edwards out of the two), I don't watch MotoGP so don't know what Moody/Webster are like, or Samos for that matter.
Lots of people that work fo the BBC have other projects/work, but I could understand if they were forbidden from doing commentary for anyone else. It would be interesting what Kravitz does if he gets offered a BBC deal as he also does stuff at the BTCC meets.
As far as the coverage goes I think ITV have done an ok job this year with BTCC. BBC could do something similar with F1 coverage, but the logistics are going to be tricky - I have the impression that the gaps between races is alot longer on FIA race days, compared to the touring car meets. This means they need to find stuff (probably pre-recorded) to put on, if they run out of material it could get a bit boring.
What they should be planning is multiple camera feeds on the red button, it'd be interesting to have 4 feeds on screen at the same time, say a couple watching battles (1 in car, one trackside), a camera watching the pits at the relevant times to see crews coming out and maybe one watching for fastest laps / spinners etc.
I think we have got used to the adverts and therefore are complacent about them, I just watch live timing in adverts to keep track of whats going on, but they are a pain, because it always seems something happens during them at each race.
Martin also understands the whole business - hell he was/is? DCs manager, he understands the business side of it, I think DC will still be in "Im a driver" mode and wont be able to give the perspective that Martin can.
Can you imagine DC doing a gridwalk and grabbing hold of anyone and everyone whilst dodging past mechanics/team owners/random celebrities and managing improvised chats/quips? no, me either.
Edwards/Croft are okay I guess (I prefer edwards out of the two), I don't watch MotoGP so don't know what Moody/Webster are like, or Samos for that matter.
Lots of people that work fo the BBC have other projects/work, but I could understand if they were forbidden from doing commentary for anyone else. It would be interesting what Kravitz does if he gets offered a BBC deal as he also does stuff at the BTCC meets.
As far as the coverage goes I think ITV have done an ok job this year with BTCC. BBC could do something similar with F1 coverage, but the logistics are going to be tricky - I have the impression that the gaps between races is alot longer on FIA race days, compared to the touring car meets. This means they need to find stuff (probably pre-recorded) to put on, if they run out of material it could get a bit boring.
What they should be planning is multiple camera feeds on the red button, it'd be interesting to have 4 feeds on screen at the same time, say a couple watching battles (1 in car, one trackside), a camera watching the pits at the relevant times to see crews coming out and maybe one watching for fastest laps / spinners etc.
I think we have got used to the adverts and therefore are complacent about them, I just watch live timing in adverts to keep track of whats going on, but they are a pain, because it always seems something happens during them at each race.
Originally posted by Crafty
I think we have got used to the adverts and therefore are complacent about them, I just watch live timing in adverts to keep track of whats going on, but they are a pain, because it always seems something happens during them at each race.
I think we have got used to the adverts and therefore are complacent about them, I just watch live timing in adverts to keep track of whats going on, but they are a pain, because it always seems something happens during them at each race.
what we need is the bbc to say, 'if we were on itv we'd be going for a break now, so stay glued to your seats because something is bound to hap... kimi spins! and heikki takes the lead, does he? no there's smoke at the back...'
Originally posted by Crafty
I think replacing Brundle with DC would be a mistake, Martin has a bit of flair about him, gets involved in it and shows genuine feeling ("oh no, thats the last thing he'll want to see, thats worked out terribly" or "theres going to be a big smile in that helmet right now" etc). I just can't see DC being anywhere near as dynamic, let alone the quick quips Martin comes out with.
Martin also understands the whole business - hell he was/is? DCs manager, he understands the business side of it, I think DC will still be in "Im a driver" mode and wont be able to give the perspective that Martin can.
Can you imagine DC doing a gridwalk and grabbing hold of anyone and everyone whilst dodging past mechanics/team owners/random celebrities and managing improvised chats/quips? no, me either.
I think replacing Brundle with DC would be a mistake, Martin has a bit of flair about him, gets involved in it and shows genuine feeling ("oh no, thats the last thing he'll want to see, thats worked out terribly" or "theres going to be a big smile in that helmet right now" etc). I just can't see DC being anywhere near as dynamic, let alone the quick quips Martin comes out with.
Martin also understands the whole business - hell he was/is? DCs manager, he understands the business side of it, I think DC will still be in "Im a driver" mode and wont be able to give the perspective that Martin can.
Can you imagine DC doing a gridwalk and grabbing hold of anyone and everyone whilst dodging past mechanics/team owners/random celebrities and managing improvised chats/quips? no, me either.
Actually I can see DC doing all that and more. He is personable and every bit as quick witted as MB.
JB showed just how good a current F1 driver can be in the box. He was able to spot things that MB had missed because he was upto speed with the current cars. Martin at the moment seems to have queered his pitch as far as the grid walk goes. Many of the drivers seem to actively avoid him, or simply refuse to be interviewed by him. It might be time for a fresh face without the baggage.
Shoot me down if you want but here's my view on it.
Football: The BBC's coverage is excellent with the best pundits and easily better commentators than ITV's halfwits like Clive 'no idea' Tyldsley. The production values are better and i despair at the loss of England and FA cup to ITV.
MotoGP: I love the BBC coverage, have always been a big fan of Charlie Cox and pairing him with Steve parish was a great move IMO, but there is no way that Parish will move away from Bikes and Charlie has enough on his plate already given that he is the presenter of the new Australian Top Gear. As for Eurosport i despise their coverage, it actually makes me not watch when my housemate had the race on their shambles of a coverage, for me the commentators are ridiculously opinionated morons who at the same time appear to know bugger all about what they harp on about. I can though see why some might have the opposite view on them.
The Olympics: They had a massive array of interactive channels and web streaming available so that just about everything could be seen, hell i even found coverage of the softball game between Australia and Japan that i bet i was one of about 10 people watching at the time. So from this can be taken that they will hopefully want to provide a large amount of extra coverage and interactivity into their F1 coverage from next year.
ITV themselves admitted defeat earlier this year when they cancelled their plans to also broadcast the Euro 2008 final because they knew they'd get hardly anyone watching them rather than the BBC.
ITV have f*cked around with F1 for far too long, shoving qualifying and sometimes even the race (USGP) onto ITV2, they're build up is a joke, 50 minutes harping on about Lewis with the smarmy Steve Rider and the numpty Mark 'alright geezer' Blundell, it was downhill from the moment they got rid of Tony Jardine on the informed punditry point. The adverts annoy most people who watch and they do make a habit of ruining the odd exciting moment with them. How many Safety Car restarts do we ever actually see?
I for one am delighted that the BBC have regained the coverage, I am much less bothered by 'the news will follow the end of the race' than 'coronation street will follow after we've rushed the end of the show and ignored the press conference so you can watch your mindless drivel'. While i doubt the BBC will give it the resources it deserves I still reckon they will give it a much better go than ITV have.
rant over
Football: The BBC's coverage is excellent with the best pundits and easily better commentators than ITV's halfwits like Clive 'no idea' Tyldsley. The production values are better and i despair at the loss of England and FA cup to ITV.
MotoGP: I love the BBC coverage, have always been a big fan of Charlie Cox and pairing him with Steve parish was a great move IMO, but there is no way that Parish will move away from Bikes and Charlie has enough on his plate already given that he is the presenter of the new Australian Top Gear. As for Eurosport i despise their coverage, it actually makes me not watch when my housemate had the race on their shambles of a coverage, for me the commentators are ridiculously opinionated morons who at the same time appear to know bugger all about what they harp on about. I can though see why some might have the opposite view on them.
The Olympics: They had a massive array of interactive channels and web streaming available so that just about everything could be seen, hell i even found coverage of the softball game between Australia and Japan that i bet i was one of about 10 people watching at the time. So from this can be taken that they will hopefully want to provide a large amount of extra coverage and interactivity into their F1 coverage from next year.
ITV themselves admitted defeat earlier this year when they cancelled their plans to also broadcast the Euro 2008 final because they knew they'd get hardly anyone watching them rather than the BBC.
ITV have f*cked around with F1 for far too long, shoving qualifying and sometimes even the race (USGP) onto ITV2, they're build up is a joke, 50 minutes harping on about Lewis with the smarmy Steve Rider and the numpty Mark 'alright geezer' Blundell, it was downhill from the moment they got rid of Tony Jardine on the informed punditry point. The adverts annoy most people who watch and they do make a habit of ruining the odd exciting moment with them. How many Safety Car restarts do we ever actually see?
I for one am delighted that the BBC have regained the coverage, I am much less bothered by 'the news will follow the end of the race' than 'coronation street will follow after we've rushed the end of the show and ignored the press conference so you can watch your mindless drivel'. While i doubt the BBC will give it the resources it deserves I still reckon they will give it a much better go than ITV have.
rant over
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
Shoot me down if you want but here's my view on it.
snip
ITV have f*cked around with F1 for far too long, shoving qualifying and sometimes even the race (USGP) onto ITV2, they're build up is a joke, 50 minutes harping on about Lewis with the smarmy Steve Rider and the numpty Mark 'alright geezer' Blundell, it was downhill from the moment they got rid of Tony Jardine on the informed punditry point. The adverts annoy most people who watch and they do make a habit of ruining the odd exciting moment with them. How many Safety Car restarts do we ever actually see?
I for one am delighted that the BBC have regained the coverage, I am much less bothered by 'the news will follow the end of the race' than 'coronation street will follow after we've rushed the end of the show and ignored the press conference so you can watch your mindless drivel'. While i doubt the BBC will give it the resources it deserves I still reckon they will give it a much better go than ITV have.
rant over
Shoot me down if you want but here's my view on it.
snip
ITV have f*cked around with F1 for far too long, shoving qualifying and sometimes even the race (USGP) onto ITV2, they're build up is a joke, 50 minutes harping on about Lewis with the smarmy Steve Rider and the numpty Mark 'alright geezer' Blundell, it was downhill from the moment they got rid of Tony Jardine on the informed punditry point. The adverts annoy most people who watch and they do make a habit of ruining the odd exciting moment with them. How many Safety Car restarts do we ever actually see?
I for one am delighted that the BBC have regained the coverage, I am much less bothered by 'the news will follow the end of the race' than 'coronation street will follow after we've rushed the end of the show and ignored the press conference so you can watch your mindless drivel'. While i doubt the BBC will give it the resources it deserves I still reckon they will give it a much better go than ITV have.
rant over
Yeah my neighbours grass is greener too ! - actually in my case it isn't
The BBC are the worst offenders for moving programs around or canceling them at very short notice, even the big money flagship programes such as "Doctor Who", "Life on Mars", "Ashes to Ashes", "Torchwood" get shifted around after the Radio Times has been printed, even the dailly papers can't keep up with the changes. In Scotland, Wales and NI it is even worse because of local variations. This has been going on for years just ask a fan of the "The X Files". The commercial stations just don't do this, admittedly partly because of advertising revenues.
So what if ITV occasionally bumped qualifying circus act on to ITV2 it still got broadcast, last time I looked for my broadcast area digital uptake was at 84% and I am willing to bet if you consider demographics among the F1 viewing audience the figure will be closer to 95%.
While I agree 100% that ITV's build up is too long and too aimed at those with no knowledge of the sport (try watching German TV's pre-race build up long winded dosen't cover it) and cutting of the post race press conferences is very annoying but what we will be getting from the BBC will be the TV equivalent of flying Ryan Air.
Originally posted by Clatter
Actually I can see DC doing all that and more. He is personable and every bit as quick witted as MB.
Actually I can see DC doing all that and more. He is personable and every bit as quick witted as MB.
As one of DC biggest fans I consider him one of the most articulate people in F1 but filling his mate and co-manager Brundles shoes is a different matter. Martin Brundle not only has a way with words but he refused to be bullied by Herr Flick and should be respected for that.
A couple of the best Martin Brundle quotes
“There’s a bit of Red Bull on the track and it’s not of the liquid variety.”
“A fairly terminal engine failure for Coulthard. He's about as lucky as Johnny Herbert, isn't he?"”
HUGE NEWS UPDATE!
*According to a source, the BBC has put the Five Live F1 contract out to tender again.
*Jonathan Legard hasn't been heard hardly at all on the BBC Radio Five Live station.
*And, from Charles Sale of Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1...kby-crisis.html) :
Jake Humphrey as presenter??? Not sure about that.
Someone brought up Eddie Jordan's name above.
*According to a source, the BBC has put the Five Live F1 contract out to tender again.
*Jonathan Legard hasn't been heard hardly at all on the BBC Radio Five Live station.
*And, from Charles Sale of Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1...kby-crisis.html) :
Jake Humphrey, the rising star of BBC Sport who added to his reputation by hosting the afternoon Olympic show from Beijing, is the hot favourite to present the Beeb's Formula One coverage which starts next March.
The BBC will not officially announce their team until towards the end of the month, but Humphrey has emerged as the first-choice anchor man, with Radio 5 Live's Jonathan Ledgard as the commentator.
The names being talked about for the co-commentator and analyst roles are retiring driver David Coulthard, former driver Eddie Irvine and ex-team owner Eddie Jordan.
The BBC will not officially announce their team until towards the end of the month, but Humphrey has emerged as the first-choice anchor man, with Radio 5 Live's Jonathan Ledgard as the commentator.
The names being talked about for the co-commentator and analyst roles are retiring driver David Coulthard, former driver Eddie Irvine and ex-team owner Eddie Jordan.
Jake Humphrey as presenter??? Not sure about that.
Someone brought up Eddie Jordan's name above.
I don't want to hear from Eddies Jordan or Irvine in any serious setting. Jesus, this isn't Channel 5.
They need to find a different commentator or change his name by deed poll and we can have the Ed, Edd, and Eddie show back again.
Personally, I think it will be interesting to see how Eddie J performs as the roving pitlane reporter. I might think he's a scumbag opportunist liar etc but that doesn't mean he won't do a good job for the viewers.
(I do think of those options DC is my preferred pundit though)
Personally, I think it will be interesting to see how Eddie J performs as the roving pitlane reporter. I might think he's a scumbag opportunist liar etc but that doesn't mean he won't do a good job for the viewers.
(I do think of those options DC is my preferred pundit though)
Originally posted by Buttoneer
They need to find a different commentator or change his name by deed poll and we can have the Ed, Edd, and Eddie show back again.
Personally, I think it will be interesting to see how Eddie J performs as the roving pitlane reporter. I might think he's a scumbag opportunist liar etc but that doesn't mean he won't do a good job for the viewers.
(I do think of those options DC is my preferred pundit though)
They need to find a different commentator or change his name by deed poll and we can have the Ed, Edd, and Eddie show back again.
Personally, I think it will be interesting to see how Eddie J performs as the roving pitlane reporter. I might think he's a scumbag opportunist liar etc but that doesn't mean he won't do a good job for the viewers.
(I do think of those options DC is my preferred pundit though)
I agree. EJ I think would have an extremely biast view in pitlane for and against certain people and thus may not want to interview certain team bosses, whereas Coulthard gets on with just about everyone in pitlane I think.
Originally posted by britishtrident
So what if ITV occasionally bumped qualifying circus act on to ITV2 it still got broadcast, last time I looked for my broadcast area digital uptake was at 84% and I am willing to bet if you consider demographics among the F1 viewing audience the figure will be closer to 95%.
While I agree 100% that ITV's build up is too long and too aimed at those with no knowledge of the sport (try watching German TV's pre-race build up long winded dosen't cover it) and cutting of the post race press conferences is very annoying but what we will be getting from the BBC will be the TV equivalent of flying Ryan Air.
So what if ITV occasionally bumped qualifying circus act on to ITV2 it still got broadcast, last time I looked for my broadcast area digital uptake was at 84% and I am willing to bet if you consider demographics among the F1 viewing audience the figure will be closer to 95%.
While I agree 100% that ITV's build up is too long and too aimed at those with no knowledge of the sport (try watching German TV's pre-race build up long winded dosen't cover it) and cutting of the post race press conferences is very annoying but what we will be getting from the BBC will be the TV equivalent of flying Ryan Air.
I can't see it happening, the BBC have been treating coverage of the MotoGP better and better over the years to the fact that they dedicate one of the interactive channels to showing the qualifying and 125/250's these days. I think that knowing how many viewers they will get for this they will put on a good show.
My only fear is that they will do what ITV have done with the F1, and channel 4 did with the WRC, assume that they will get new viewers joining in and give lengthy explanations of the to every aspect of the sport (which i have no problem with in their first episode) but then continue to reexplain it all time and time again at every subsequent meeting.
Quality went up dramatically when ITV initially took over from the BBC, but as time went on they began cutting an increasing number of corners. I expect the BBC will want to make another step up in quality in comparison to the offering from ITV, in order to differentiate itself from its predecessor and make a bit of a splash. It's certainly not going to return F1 to the broadcasting standards of the 90s. I would be surprised if the BBC's coverage wasn't a significant improvement. A large part of ITV's problem is that the format is stale and the low quality pundits have begun to grate. A complete change in personnel would probably be wise, failing that only Brundle and Rider are worth keeping. I just pray the naff Allen, Blundell, Goodman and Kravitz are all off our screens. As Rider doesn't look to be in the running, that only leaves Brundle from the old crew. The only ex-driver worth replacing Brundle with is Jenson Button, and he's not an ex yet so I hope they keep Brundle for the time being.
It might be fun to have Eddie Jordan popping in now and again, but he doesn't have any credibility, I can't see him being a permanent part of the show.
It might be fun to have Eddie Jordan popping in now and again, but he doesn't have any credibility, I can't see him being a permanent part of the show.
Originally posted by D.M.N. Someone brought up Eddie Jordan's name above. [/B]
Is that the lad who was on Sportsround and hosted the BBC's Superbowl coverage too? If so, could be interesting if he's got/can fake the right level on knowledge.
I hope to hell EJ isn't involved, but his departure from F1 Racing was curiously (and conveniently) timed when you consider the apparent ban on cross media work of those involved in the BBCs broadcast.
Hope not though, Jordan is a complete knucklehed.
Hope not though, Jordan is a complete knucklehed.
Originally posted by kar
I hope to hell EJ isn't involved, but his departure from F1 Racing was curiously (and conveniently) timed when you consider the apparent ban on cross media work of those involved in the BBCs broadcast.
Hope not though, Jordan is a complete knucklehed.
I hope to hell EJ isn't involved, but his departure from F1 Racing was curiously (and conveniently) timed when you consider the apparent ban on cross media work of those involved in the BBCs broadcast.
Hope not though, Jordan is a complete knucklehed.
By that you really mean Eddie isn't afraid to speak his mind about your über hero ?
Eddie is one of that very select band who have created a pretty decent F1 team from nothing, had Honda backed the Jordan team over the under performing BAR they might just have won a WDC.
Like Paul Stoddart, Eddie can be out spoken, over the top and "in your face" to the extent of being annoying but he deserves a whole lot of respect.
I think Eddie Jordan would be great.
As you say BT, he built a team up from nothing, had a standout first season and challenged for a championship and won three races. Much, much better than Sauber, a team in operation during the same period.
Yes, he took a lot of cash from his team and eventually sold up. But it was his business which he'd built up.
Eddie is not afraid to calls a spade a spade and has shown he's a talented broadcaster.
And he has a great sense of humour. His book had the best one liners of any racing biography I've read.
As you say BT, he built a team up from nothing, had a standout first season and challenged for a championship and won three races. Much, much better than Sauber, a team in operation during the same period.
Yes, he took a lot of cash from his team and eventually sold up. But it was his business which he'd built up.
Eddie is not afraid to calls a spade a spade and has shown he's a talented broadcaster.
And he has a great sense of humour. His book had the best one liners of any racing biography I've read.
I call bullshit on that. Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself. His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
Originally posted by Orin
Quality went up dramatically when ITV initially took over from the BBC, but as time went on they began cutting an increasing number of corners. I expect the BBC will want to make another step up in quality in comparison to the offering from ITV, in order to differentiate itself from its predecessor and make a bit of a splash. It's certainly not going to return F1 to the broadcasting standards of the 90s. I would be surprised if the BBC's coverage wasn't a significant improvement. A large part of ITV's problem is that the format is stale and the low quality pundits have begun to grate. A complete change in personnel would probably be wise, failing that only Brundle and Rider are worth keeping. I just pray the naff Allen, Blundell, Goodman and Kravitz are all off our screens. As Rider doesn't look to be in the running, that only leaves Brundle from the old crew. The only ex-driver worth replacing Brundle with is Jenson Button, and he's not an ex yet so I hope they keep Brundle for the time being.
Quality went up dramatically when ITV initially took over from the BBC, but as time went on they began cutting an increasing number of corners. I expect the BBC will want to make another step up in quality in comparison to the offering from ITV, in order to differentiate itself from its predecessor and make a bit of a splash. It's certainly not going to return F1 to the broadcasting standards of the 90s. I would be surprised if the BBC's coverage wasn't a significant improvement. A large part of ITV's problem is that the format is stale and the low quality pundits have begun to grate. A complete change in personnel would probably be wise, failing that only Brundle and Rider are worth keeping. I just pray the naff Allen, Blundell, Goodman and Kravitz are all off our screens. As Rider doesn't look to be in the running, that only leaves Brundle from the old crew. The only ex-driver worth replacing Brundle with is Jenson Button, and he's not an ex yet so I hope they keep Brundle for the time being.
I agree, but disagree about Kravitz - I believe Kravitz is a very good reporter when he's got the right material to work with.
Originally posted by Dan F
Is that the lad who was on Sportsround and hosted the BBC's Superbowl coverage too? If so, could be interesting if he's got/can fake the right level on knowledge.
Is that the lad who was on Sportsround and hosted the BBC's Superbowl coverage too? If so, could be interesting if he's got/can fake the right level on knowledge.
Yep. Quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Humphrey) :
"Jacob "Jake" Humphrey (born 7 October 1978 in Peterborough) is a British television presenter currently best known for his work with BBC Sport, being the youngest ever presenter to host Football Focus, Match of the Day and Final Score, he also hosted Super Bowl XLII and the African Cup Of Nations in January 2008."
Originally posted by Dan F
If so, could be interesting if he's got/can fake the right level on knowledge.
If so, could be interesting if he's got/can fake the right level on knowledge.
That reminds me, what's Jim Rosenthal up to these days?
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I call bullshit on that.
I call bullshit on that.
Um, easy buddy, opinions that differ from your own trenchant views aren't automatically bullshit.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself.
Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself.
Sure, Jordan went downhill after peaking in 1999, but Eddie didn't let his team go bankrupt.
Yes, staff were laid off but many stayed on and still work at Force India.
If you want a good example of someone who has well and truly fucked over his race team workforces in Britain and Australia, but ringfenced his own assets while others went without, look no further than Tom Walkinshaw. At the end of the day it was Jordan's company, built up by him. He earned well from it, then sold it off. His business, his decision and nothing illegal.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
He's been involved in racing since the early 1970s. He worked with key figures in the sport, from Schumacher to Herbert to Alesi to Barrichello to Gascoyne. He ran an F1 team for more than a decade, won races and challenged for the world title. Although he's not involved, those contacts wouldn't have just dried up.
How can F1 racing have very little to do with him? I can't think of many people more qualified to speak about Formula One.
Originally posted by D.M.N.
I agree, but disagree about Kravitz - I believe Kravitz is a very good reporter when he's got the right material to work with.
I agree, but disagree about Kravitz - I believe Kravitz is a very good reporter when he's got the right material to work with.
My problem with Kravitz is that he gets an idea into his head and bangs on about it repeatedly, whether it has merit or not, e.g. during Valencia qualifying he castigated McLaren for putting Hamilton on the option tyre and repeatedly questioned why the team were using such a second-rate tyre, despite the fact that nearly all the field were on it... it went on and on throughout qualifying. He did something similar at Silverstone, piping up about Ferrari's "stupidity" only after it became apparent their tyre gamble hadn't worked. I couldn't care less whether he calls something correctly or not, but to call it after the event and then yap repeatedly on about it stinks. If we must have Kravitz I hope the commentary team are asked to correct him when he does this, because he's like a dog with a bone, he doesn't give up.
Originally posted by Orin
My problem with Kravitz is that he gets an idea into his head and bangs on about it repeatedly, whether it has merit or not
My problem with Kravitz is that he gets an idea into his head and bangs on about it repeatedly, whether it has merit or not
My problem with Kravitz is that he comes across as a smarmy public school twat.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I call bullshit on that. Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself. His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
I call bullshit on that. Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself. His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
Ross' opinion on Jordan may not be popular but I'm afraid it is 100% on the money.
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I call bullshit on that. Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself. His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
I call bullshit on that. Jordan ran his team into the ground all while making a pretty penny for himself. His opinions are complete rubbish and are offered so he can hear his own voice. Notice he's one of the first people the news will quote anytime F1 does anything mainstream; but that F1 and racing itself have very little to do with him?
totally
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I don't want to hear from Eddies Jordan or Irvine in any serious setting. Jesus, this isn't Channel 5.
I don't want to hear from Eddies Jordan or Irvine in any serious setting. Jesus, this isn't Channel 5.
I think I'd prefer Eddie from 'Frasier'
http://www.virginmedia.com/tvradio/galleri...pets.php?ssid=3
Originally posted by tidytracks
Ross' opinion on Jordan may not be popular but I'm afraid it is 100% on the money.
Ross' opinion on Jordan may not be popular but I'm afraid it is 100% on the money.
OK, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Bottom line for me: If he ends up on the BBC I'll still watch, a leave the volume up when he appears.
Latest rumour says Jonathan Legard and Martin Brundle on commentary duties - TBC within the next 2 weeks.
Originally posted by tidytracks
Latest rumour says Jonathan Legard and Martin Brundle on commentary duties - TBC within the next 2 weeks.
Latest rumour says Jonathan Legard and Martin Brundle on commentary duties - TBC within the next 2 weeks.
So Coulthard will fit into the Blundell role?
Originally posted by potmotr
So Coulthard will fit into the Blundell role?
So Coulthard will fit into the Blundell role?
That's likely - but I hope they don't have Coulthard there for the whole season, I hope it rotates with other people.
Originally posted by potmotr
I think Eddie Jordan would be great.
I think Eddie Jordan would be great.
I'll ad my voice to those that disagree.
Jake] Humphrey was alright on the olympics, so I'd be able to live with him getting the presenter job.
Originally posted by potmotr
Sure, Jordan went downhill after peaking in 1999, but Eddie didn't let his team go bankrupt.
Yes, staff were laid off but many stayed on and still work at Force India.
The only reason the team didn't go bankrupt was because they were bought by a Russian who didn't look at the books but listened to Bernie instead: Jordan had no money at all to go racing if they hadn't been bought by Midland and were deep in debt. Eddie gouged cash repeatedly from the company, from Honda, from his drivers: you've only got to ask Giorgio Pantano (or, to a lesser extent, Timo Glock) how much cash he stole from them while he was screwing their careers into the ground.
Sure, Jordan went downhill after peaking in 1999, but Eddie didn't let his team go bankrupt.
Yes, staff were laid off but many stayed on and still work at Force India.
Originally posted by CeeDas
I'll ad my voice to those that disagree.
Jake] Humphrey was alright on the olympics, so I'd be able to live with him getting the presenter job.
I'll ad my voice to those that disagree.
Jake] Humphrey was alright on the olympics, so I'd be able to live with him getting the presenter job.
You may well get your wish in place of Kravitz or Rider.
Please Lord, make Kravitz go away, as he is the single worst F1 journalist of all time.
Is there anyone left who hasnt been rumoured to fill the commentary/pitlane/anchor roles?
How many is this now?
David Coulthard
Jonathon Legard
Ted Kravitz
Jake Humprhey (?)
David Croft
Martin Brundle
Damon Hill
Raymond Baxter
Murray Walker
Steve Rider
Toby Moody
Jonathon Ross
Ben Edwards
John Watson
Tony Jardine
Anthony Davidson
Suzy Perry
John Invadale
DC Mark Blundell
Tamara Ecclestone(!)
Jim Rosenthal
Holly Samos
Charlie Webster
Louise Goodman
Spanky (?)
Steve parish
Charlie Cox
That bloke from birmingham off the one show whos name escapes me
Eddie from 'Frasier'
Eddie Jordan
Eddie Irvine
Eddie Izzard
Eddie Munster
Eddie Waring
Eddie Stobart
Eddie Murphy
Eddie Cochran
Thats quite a selection for 4 maybe 5 jobs!!!
How many is this now?
David Coulthard
Jonathon Legard
Ted Kravitz
Jake Humprhey (?)
David Croft
Martin Brundle
Damon Hill
Raymond Baxter
Murray Walker
Steve Rider
Toby Moody
Jonathon Ross
Ben Edwards
John Watson
Tony Jardine
Anthony Davidson
Suzy Perry
John Invadale
DC Mark Blundell
Tamara Ecclestone(!)
Jim Rosenthal
Holly Samos
Charlie Webster
Louise Goodman
Spanky (?)
Steve parish
Charlie Cox
That bloke from birmingham off the one show whos name escapes me
Eddie from 'Frasier'
Eddie Jordan
Eddie Irvine
Eddie Izzard
Eddie Munster
Eddie Waring
Eddie Stobart
Eddie Murphy
Eddie Cochran
Thats quite a selection for 4 maybe 5 jobs!!!
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