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Bloggsworth
If we're really lucky, the safety car will come out to replace some broken light bulbs. The only sound I can hears is cash registers ringing.
Enkei
I can even predict the colors of the hotel lights here.
TheManAlive
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 1 2009, 15:17) *
I can even predict the colors of the hotel lights here.



Bernie must be so proud. Yet another amazing architecural masterpiece of buildings alongside a car park on which someone has laid out some cones and is running a race.

This track is total and complete snooze.
skinnyman
I laugh at anyone who expected a good race wave.gif
giacomo
Didn't one of the drivers say that the (silly) pit exit is the most exciting part of the track?
expert
Don't watch?
Enkei
It's more interesting talking about F1 than actually watching it at the moment.
dank
QUOTE (expert @ Nov 1 2009, 14:23) *
Don't watch?


I'm struggling too, even with the copious amounts of caffeine coursing through my veins. What's irritating me the most is all those in the media saying how impressive the place is - me thinks they've been hobnobbing with one too many of the Middle East's royalty.
Henrytheeigth
They should have a Shiek running along the track like that guy at Silverston 2003...just to spice it all up lol
giacomo
QUOTE (dank @ Nov 1 2009, 15:28) *
I'm struggling too, even with the copious amounts of caffeine coursing through my veins. What's irritating me the most is all those in the media saying how impressive the place is - me thinks they've been hobnobbing with one too many of the Middle East's royalty.

I'm sure they are talking about the architecture and the comfort of their accommodations but not the race track itself.
Henrytheeigth
QUOTE (giacomo @ Nov 2 2009, 01:31) *
I'm sure they are talking about the architecture and the comfort of their accommodations but not the race track itself.


Yea not like the race is the real reason to be there right? roflmao.gif
hermaano
Can somebody tell me why this Tilke guy is designing these tracks? I mean why there is no ex racing drivers etc. in some desing group? These Tilke tracks are by far the most boring tracks in the world. But anyway. hopefully theyll run out of electricity during the last lap.
Bloggsworth
Pass the pills mabel........................
Tenmantaylor
QUOTE (hermaano @ Nov 1 2009, 14:37) *
Can somebody tell me why this Tilke guy is designing these tracks? I mean why there is no ex racing drivers etc. in some desing group? These Tilke tracks are by far the most boring tracks in the world. But anyway. hopefully theyll run out of electricity during the last lap.


Hey noob welcome to the exclusive tenman ignore list club! wave.gif

What a finish! Great battle by Jenson and Webber. Jenson needed to be more aggressive but great to watch.
Ali_G
I said this would happen in chat yesterday and got shot down.

Bahrain, Valenica, Singapore and the Joseph and his Amazing Technicolour Hotel need to be binned.
Ellios
would of been great if FOM had provided a HD feed for the last race of the season
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 14:39) *
What a finish! Great battle by Jenson and Webber. Jenson needed to be more aggressive but great to watch.

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madraykin
QUOTE (Ali_G @ Nov 1 2009, 15:40) *
[...] the Joseph and his Amazing Technicolour Hotel need to be binned.

I liked the chequered flag lights at the end though! tongue.gif
Enkei
QUOTE (hermaano @ Nov 1 2009, 15:37) *
Can somebody tell me why this Tilke guy is designing these tracks? I mean why there is no ex racing drivers etc. in some desing group? These Tilke tracks are by far the most boring tracks in the world. But anyway. hopefully theyll run out of electricity during the last lap.


Beats me. The only track he designed that allows overtaking is Sepang, which actually has some challenging corners.
Other than that, he designs circuits that are aesthetically ok, but are a complete snore fest to race on.

The fact that F1 car's are so aero-efficient doesn't help either, but his circuits all look alike.
mursuka80
You get offended quite easily.What a boring race only highlights were Kobayashi and last lap battles with Webber and Button.
OnyxF1
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 14:39) *
Hey noob welcome to the exclusive tenman ignore list club! wave.gif

What a finish! Great battle by Jenson and Webber. Jenson needed to be more aggressive but great to watch.


He's right, the race was really tedious. A short battle between Button and Webber didn't change that.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 1 2009, 09:25) *
It's more interesting talking about F1 than actually watching it at the moment.

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Easily the best line I've read. Can I use it as a sig? with all credit to you of course.
HP
QUOTE (OnyxF1 @ Nov 1 2009, 22:44) *
He's right, the race was really tedious. A short battle between Button and Webber didn't change that.
Just imagine if Hamilton's car hadn't developed a brake problem.


But other than that, F1 isn't the racing series for anyone wanting to see on track shuffles.
Tenmantaylor
QUOTE (OnyxF1 @ Nov 1 2009, 14:44) *
He's right



For wishing the lights to go out and miss the Jenson Webber battle? Dont think so.

Whinging negative gits, do everyone a favour and get the f*** out of these forums. Youre ruining it for us that have found it a great place to have intelligent converstation for the last 10 years.
King Six
The fact that everyone was on different fuel strats meant that only when things started getting muddled in the middle was it interesting. The track itself isn't bad, some decent moments going on. It should all be much more interesting when refuelling is banned. I wouldn't call the track as the main fault why it's boring, although that third sector could do with some work to not make it so lame.
mursuka80
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 16:54) *
For wishing the lights to go out and miss the Jenson Webber battle? Dont think so.

Whinging negative gits, do everyone a favour and get the f*** out of these forums. Youre ruining it for us that have found it a great place to have intelligent converstation for the last 10 years.


Sorry,but you have no right to tell people what to do.Should we praise this shit if we think it sucks? If you are not a mod then shut the f**k up!!
giacomo
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 15:54) *
Whinging negative gits, do everyone a favour and get the f*** out of these forums. Youre ruining it for us that have found it a great place to have intelligent converstation for the last 10 years.

'Whinging negative gits', 'get the f*** out', 'intelligent converstation', yeah right. lol.gif
Tenmantaylor
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Nov 1 2009, 14:59) *
Sorry,but you have no right to tell people what to do .... If you are not a mod then shut the f**k up!!


Contradict much?

Im just sick to death of how negative this place has become over the last 2 years.
OnyxF1
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 14:54) *
For wishing the lights to go out and miss the Jenson Webber battle? Dont think so.

Whinging negative gits, do everyone a favour and get the f*** out of these forums. Youre ruining it for us that have found it a great place to have intelligent converstation for the last 10 years.


So this is only a forum for people who have no complaints about F1 whatsoever? Sorry, Mr. Tenman I didn't realise that you were the one true ruler of the Autosport forums. Do you want your crown and sceptre to go with it?
plastik2k9
The race would be far more interesting if they'd lift the overtaking ban, but the track design itself has to take some of the blame.
dau
Is this thread about some kind of strange parallel universe in which there was a boring race? I just wonder, because i have absolutely no idea of what you guys are talking about.
hermaano
Well sorry if my first post came out too negative. But the whole point is was that i kind of hope these days that something unexpected would happen. Maybe not the lights out but still. It just seems that these days the only way to get something exciting to these races come through safety car, rain etc.... I really wish that they will manage to save Silverstone and let us enjoy some good old fashioned racing. Hopefully with the next new track they will focus more on the track and not so much to the surroundings.
OnyxF1
QUOTE (plastik2k9 @ Nov 1 2009, 15:02) *
The race would be far more interesting if they'd lift the overtaking ban, but the track design itself has to take some of the blame.


I wasn't aware there was an overtaking ban.
Tenmantaylor
QUOTE (OnyxF1 @ Nov 1 2009, 15:01) *
So this is only a forum for people who have no complaints about F1 whatsoever? Sorry, Mr. Tenman I didn't realise that you were the one true ruler of the Autosport forums. Do you want your crown and sceptre to go with it?


Apologies if you feel I aimed my vent at you personally it was intended to be general. We all love racing so much and yes we all know Bernie is a money grabber willing to dump the history for the future cash but lets just make the most of it instead of whining all the time.

It wasnt the most exciting race but is was much better than any Barcelona race for the last 5 years. Jensons battle with Webber proved good racing is possible here so the track isnt exclusively to blame.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 10:06) *
Apologies if you feel I aimed my vent at you personally it was intended to be general. We all love racing so much and yes we all know Bernie is a money grabber willing to dump the history for the future cash but lets just make the most of it instead of whining all the time.

It wasnt the most exciting race but is was much better than any Barcelona race for the last 5 years. Jensons battle with Webber proved good racing is possible here so the track isnt exclusively to blame.

I see where you're coming from, but a very wise man once said "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain SILENT". I know that's a bit over-ther-top, but put in the proper context is appropriate.



plastik2k9
QUOTE (OnyxF1 @ Nov 1 2009, 15:05) *
I wasn't aware there was an overtaking ban.

Well you'd think there was watching modern F1. Watch how quickly Button caught Webber at the end, then as soon as he got anywhere near him, the car becomes very difficult to follow and even more difficult to pass. The technical regulations need to be re-written with overtaking in mind.
OnyxF1
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 15:06) *
Apologies if you feel I aimed my vent at you personally it was intended to be general. We all love racing so much and yes we all know Bernie is a money grabber willing to dump the history for the future cash but lets just make the most of it instead of whining all the time.

It wasnt the most exciting race but is was much better than any Barcelona race for the last 5 years. Jensons battle with Webber proved good racing is possible here so the track isnt exclusively to blame.


No problem. I'm just frustrated with the way the sport is at the moment. It can be fixed but I fear the Barcelona/Valencia/Singapore type races are going to become more common in the next couple of years. I admit the last lap was good, but that doesn't save the fact that for all the hype it received, Yas Marina circuit didn't deliver. Of course, the tracks aren't just to blame. The technical regulations are a major aspect of the poor racing too.
Bloggsworth
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 14:54) *
For wishing the lights to go out and miss the Jenson Webber battle? Dont think so.

Whinging negative gits, do everyone a favour and get the f*** out of these forums. Youre ruining it for us that have found it a great place to have intelligent converstation for the last 10 years.


Such perspicacity, such wit, all the intellectual clout of a chimpanzees tea party.................

I've only been watching F1 since 1957, clearly my opinion is too imature to be considered. The race was bloody boring, the circuit somewhat less interesting than a walk through Hyde Park, and the action incalculably less exciting than Lawn Bowls. But please keep wearing your rose tinted spectacles, they obviously suit you.
giacomo
QUOTE (plastik2k9 @ Nov 1 2009, 16:11) *
The technical regulations need to be re-written with overtaking in mind.

Again? I thought that's what they are doing for years now.
THE "driverider"
I thought the race was fantastic personally.
mursuka80
Teams will always find a way to make the cars produce dirty air,so overtaking will remain difficult.Sad but true.
Lazarus II
QUOTE (giacomo @ Nov 1 2009, 10:15) *
Again? I thought that's what they are doing for years now.

The problem (like all political problems) can be summed up in one word - agenda's
OnyxF1
QUOTE (giacomo @ Nov 1 2009, 15:15) *
Again? I thought that's what they are doing for years now.


The problem is that in all of the regulation changes in the last 10 years, they've been slowly killing the one thing that provides overtaking in spades: slipstreaming. The reliability rules which have developed from one engine per race weekend to eight engines per season, the engine rev-limits and the continued push to reduce downforce which has only ended in more and more dirty methods of producing it have killed slipstreaming and overtaking with it.
FredF1
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Nov 1 2009, 14:54) *
For wishing the lights to go out and miss the Jenson Webber battle? Dont think so.

Whinging negative gits, do everyone a favour and get the f*** out of these forums. Youre ruining it for us that have found it a great place to have intelligent converstation for the last 10 years.



What? And miss out on foot-stamping from those who still attempt to portray F1 as a 'sport' of some sort getting upset that anyone should criticise the roundy-roundy snoozeathons? Heaven forbid!

The last couple of laps of dicing between Button and Webber were a tad too late for all those who got bored and switched off waaaaay before then.

Thank feck this tediously dull procession of a season is over and done with. Roll on next year and even less overtaking now that pitstops will be redundant. In the shill-parlance of F1 that'll make 2010 "The best season ever!!!!!"



noikeee
Eh... it was right about the average race for F1 in 2009? A procession ahead, some occasional successful moves at the back proving that passing is possible, and a late battle for a podium that was quite fun.

I'm not sure why everything needs to be black or white, this was neither amazing or terrible.
Orin
QUOTE (Bloggsworth @ Nov 1 2009, 14:15) *
If we're really lucky, the safety car will come out to replace some broken light bulbs. The only sound I can hears is cash registers ringing.


Maybe so, but my bladder was the most comfortable its been for several races. I probably spent more time on the toilet than on the sofa [minute exaggeration].
Lazarus II
QUOTE (Orin @ Nov 1 2009, 11:54) *
Maybe so, but my bladder was the most comfortable its been for several races. I probably spent more time on the toilet than on the sofa [minute exaggeration].

I've solved that problem with my laptop.

Word of caution - don't ask you wife to fill you're coffee lol.gif
Kristian
What annoys me about Tilke's tracks is that the races are so devoid of drama, incident and anything memorable unless the weather intervenes.

Can you remember anything significant from previous Bahrain GPs? Or Turkish GPs? Or dry Chinese GPs? This will be yet another one of those...

Coming right after Interlagos just highlights what its missing - character, gradient, passion, history, and damn good racing.
Bouncing Pink Ball
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Nov 1 2009, 11:43) *
Eh... it was right about the average race for F1 in 2009? A procession ahead, some occasional successful moves at the back proving that passing is possible, and a late battle for a podium that was quite fun.

I'm not sure why everything needs to be black or white, this was neither amazing or terrible.

Agreed. It was on par with much of the season; not horrid, not brilliant.

Pretty track, and not solely to blame for parade-ish laps. The cars need..something. They've become so evenly matched in certain areas that dominant speed-powered overtaking is rare, at the same time drivable enough (and driven by very professional competitors with years of training behind them)to minimize the little mistakes that can generate passes, and on and on...
Ali_G
I genuinely think for the first time ever that I've almost completely lost interest in F1.

Everyone in F1 need to take a look at what is happening and a full review badly needs to take place. The "sport" is now vastly different to the one I started watching as a young fella in 1989.

The addition of the likes of Valencia, Bahrain, Singapore and Abu Dhabi has only highlighted for me how the sport now is nothing more but a money making exercise. How the likes of Legard and Brundle can say what a fantastic GP it was and hold a straight face is beyond belief.
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