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Clatter
QUOTE (mkay @ Nov 1 2009, 16:01) *
Relax, that was a joke? I thought you were relaxed because your favorite driver won?


I'm not a Vettel supporter.

Turn 1
An OK race, track has impressed me in terms of overtaking potential. We seen a few good moves, fair enough we didn't see loads of passing but that was because it was pretty much a 'race pace grid order.' With a bit of a un-natural grid we could see some really good races here. The long straight followed by the slightly shorter straight really works and it is apparent that it is a good idea to use the long straight to get right behind the gearbox, follow the car through the chicane and then leap down the inside at the end of the shorter straight. Give tilke some credit that part of the track really works well.
Sakae
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 1 2009, 23:57) *
Vettel can't let go about the button can he?

moan down.gif for Germany.



Well, he wants one... roflmao.gif




Clatter
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Nov 1 2009, 16:05) *
What did Vettel say?


Said he had got a good start, but couldn't stay with LH down the straight with KERS. Simply saying what we could all see.
dexter311
Auf Wiedersehen BMW. RTL have a great montage on now...
Atreiu
It was a nice race, quite better than Valencia and what I generaly expected.
Bye-bye 2009, noit a fantastic or remarkable season by any account.
teewoods
QUOTE (lokiman @ Nov 1 2009, 15:05) *
In fairness to Vettel, he's only pointing out what the vast majority of people can readily see: the KERS cars are very hard to overtake on the straights. I don't think he was whining.



When has cry baby ever not whined roflmao.gif
bond
QUOTE (lokiman @ Nov 1 2009, 16:05) *
In fairness to Vettel, he's only pointing out what the vast majority of people can readily see: the KERS cars are very hard to overtake on the straights. I don't think he was whining.


The way he says it makes look like the mclaren his in front only because of the "button"...
I'm sick of that talk and vettel isn't showing any appreciation for who's driving that mclaren...
KWSN - DSM
Button once again showed that he can have a car come to him, and it seem that he should be well placed with the new rules next season.

I think that 2009 have given us a good championship, Vettel in my view is 'the real deal', and must be one of the favorites for the championship next season, Webber have finally delivered on his potential, and even though I seem him less of a complete driver than Vettel, he have established himself in the better half of the grid.

Kobayashi needs my grunding respect, we have seen other drivers struggle coming in to F1 this season (or switching team), and being as strong as he has been the past two races obviously is showing that he has something.

Heidfeld did his usual type of race, not really anything to note, but brought the car forward and finished in the points again.

Nakajima is the reason that BMW ended in front of Williams, who as a team have learned what we all know. You need to drivers strong enough to deliver over a full season, the difference between Rosberg and Nakajima is simply not good enough.

Next season is far away, and winter testing will show some teams to once again having missed something in the design department, at this time of writing I will expect Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull and Brawn as Grand Prix winning teams in 2010.

Last race over, Button is now officially the World Drivers Champion, congratulations to him, he have come of age as well this season, and Brawn have shown how good he is to have involved in your team, the Mercedes link will only become stronger, so part of the budget shortfall Brawn had over the season, will be taken up and funded by Mercedes.

The next couple of weeks more seats will be confirmed, and the last likely not until the other side of New Years.

cool.gif
krapmeister
Wow - Vettel mentions the KERS button a few times and he attracts an army of haters. He must be good... lol.gif
Anssi
Congratulations, Vettel, Webber and Button.



Kamui! I am your fan already cat.gif I was laughing out loud during the race seeing you go, yeah, this is what we need, keep it up!
Coral
Bit of a dull race, of course it was spoiled for me because of Lewis' mechanical failure. frown.gif But well done to Vettel...he is most definitely a World Champion of the future. smile.gif

Very exciting at the end with the battle between Webber and Button.

And Kobayashi...he is the most exciting talent since, well...Lewis! up.gif

Kova...well, he was disappointing again. Time for him to go. And Have Ferrari ever been as bad? down.gif down.gif

I'm delighted McLaren finished third in WCC too...that looked unthinkable at the start of the season. Well done McLaren! smile.gif
lokiman
For me, at least, the story of the off-season is whether BrawnGP will be able to keep the momentum that they have right now, despite the lack of Honda involvement in the development of the 2010 car. I certainly hope so, but it will be quite a challenge, I think.
craftverk
By 2009 standards, this was a pretty good race.
m1lan
Hotel, sky, sunset, Naomi up.gif

Fat guy in Ferrari box down.gif

Boring race.. .Apart from the last few laps, fantastic racing

Buemi-excellent up.gif
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Coral @ Nov 1 2009, 10:12) *
Kova...well, he was disappointing again. Time for him to go. And Have Ferrari ever been as bad? down.gif down.gif


I disagree. He kept Kimi behind him through the last pit stops. Mission accomplished. Not spectacular, but got the job done.
maccaFTW
I'm gutted by the result of the race. Hamilton's brake issue is VERY peculiar. It's very strange that the brake temperature didn't pick up given how aggressive he is with the brakes, and then he had a failure on just one corner of the car. I was very disappointed, as he easily had the pace this weekend to walk with the race. The brake issue clearly compromised his pace, and the failure ultimately took him out.

Congrats to Vettel. For my money, he and Hamilton are the best out there and are going to have some epic duels for races and championships in the future.

Great race from Button. I was pulling for him to get by Webber at the end, but as we know, Webber isn't exactly a gentleman when it comes to overtaking him. (Or generally, to be frank.)
RSNS
The end of the race was exciting: I was chiefly interested by Button's slides in his effort to catch Webber. But the beginning was so dull that it actually got me sleepy...

Vettel drove beautifully; entertaining to watch and effective. Also seems a nice guy.

So goodbye F1 for a rather long time.

This forum will again be the space of F1 maniacs.

On the whole the season has been interesting on two accounts and boring in one account.

The two accounts that made it interesting were:

a) The uncertainty about who would win, and the overall progression of points by each driver.

b) The fact that cars were much more difficult do drive, which made the driver's work plain for everybody to see

The uninteresting fact was

a) That racing was extremely boring

Next year we won't have refueling, but unless tire manufactures provide a wide selection of tires (fast and short stint; medium and medium stint, and slow and long stint) all will be more or less the same. Uncertainty will be larger, however.

So long to most of you. Have a nice holls. smile.gif
Pegaso
What with all this Vettel bashing from the Macca fanboys? The guy has done an impressive race considering this was an engine&KERS circuit.
lokiman
It's so nice to see Kobayashi grinning from ear to ear and high-fiving people. The guy so deserves a race seat................
Bishy
QUOTE (bond @ Nov 1 2009, 15:08) *
The way he says it makes look like the mclaren his in front only because of the "button"...
I'm sick of that talk and vettel isn't showing any appreciation for who's driving that mclaren...



+1

Funny how no one was whining about KERS at the beginning of the year when it was a disadvantage!
Jose Mourinho is Special
McLaren should sign Kobayashi - cheap, fast, young

Why waste over 15million+ on a lazy 30 year old Finn?
maccaFTW
QUOTE (dexter311 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:42) *
I feel sorry for Hamilton though, he could have been well and truly in the race for a podium.


Hamilton would have walked with the race if not for the brake issue. It was with him since the beginning of the race, and as a result it cost him tenths per lap in pace.
wingwalker
See? I told you that this chicane-hairpin-straight-super slow corner combo will produce some overtaking moves. Ok race, but the excitment went down after Hamilton retired for me.
FormerF1Driver
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 1 2009, 15:28) *
I'm gutted by the result of the race. Hamilton's brake issue is VERY peculiar. It's very strange that the brake temperature didn't pick up given how aggressive he is with the brakes, and then he had a failure on just one corner of the car. I was very disappointed, as he easily had the pace this weekend to walk with the race. The brake issue clearly compromised his pace, and the failure ultimately took him out.

Congrats to Vettel. For my money, he and Hamilton are the best out there and are going to have some epic duels for races and championships in the future.

Great race from Button. I was pulling for him to get by Webber at the end, but as we know, Webber isn't exactly a gentleman when it comes to overtaking him. (Or generally, to be frank.)



hahaha. In a race where Button and Webber bith admitted fair play. A Lewis fan decides to stick the troll boot in, And its them trolling about Vettel as well. Unbelievable. Then when i said i was dissapointed about Hamiltons race in the LH thread im getting insulted...... by the very same people.
mursuka80
QUOTE (FormerF1Driver @ Nov 1 2009, 17:34) *
hahaha. In a race where Button and Webber bith admitted fair play. A Lewis fan decides to stick the troll boot in, And its them trolling about Vettel as well. Unbelievable. Then when i said i was dissapointed about Hamiltons race in the LH thread im getting insulted...... by the very same people.


Get used to it.This is a british forum.
dexter311
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 1 2009, 16:28) *
Great race from Button. I was pulling for him to get by Webber at the end, but as we know, Webber isn't exactly a gentleman when it comes to overtaking him. (Or generally, to be frank.)

No idea which battle you were watching, but Webber vs Button was good, clean racing by both parties.
Kristian
I thought it was a pretty sterile and dull race until the last few laps. However, it is impressive on TV. It should replace Bahrain on the calendar.
Sakae
QUOTE (krapmeister @ Nov 2 2009, 00:11) *
Wow - Vettel mentions the KERS button a few times and he attracts an army of haters. He must be good... lol.gif

Actually in the post race interview he mentioned only once, and he also just said "button" to explain LH's acceleration. (Insert [KERS] was added by the reporter). Some fans simply don't want to hear anything about Lewis getting help from a mechanical devices.
ex Rhodie racer 2
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Nov 1 2009, 15:49) *
The race was over the second Hamilton had to retire. Webber got outpaced by Vettel by a BIG margin, whilst behind him in clean air. down.gif

No, the race was over before that, Vettel was checking out, and even without a problem there is nothing Hamilton could have done about it.
lokiman
Good news: the BrawnGP crew member that proposed to his girlfriend via the pit board had his proposal accepted!!
Jay
Just watchn the F1 forum...

Fatna said YES to that BrawnGP pitboard proposal

J
MinT
Glizty multi £ circuit - check
Boring, processional race - check
Vettel moaning about Kers - check
Red Bull moaning about the double diffuser - check
Barrichello blaming the team - check
dexter311
I still can't believe how badly Alguersuari screwed up his pitstop! roflmao.gif
Homer J. Simpson
Vettels comments about the KERS Button are starting to get on my nerves as well, BUT Macca and Lewis Fanboys should be quiet because Lewis is also a bit of a crybaby.
craftverk
QUOTE (MinT @ Nov 1 2009, 15:46) *
Glizty multi £ circuit - check
Boring, processional race - check
Vettel moaning about Kers - check
Red Bull moaning about the double diffuser - check
Barrichello blaming the team - check

Wasn't as boring as Suzuka, believe it or not.
fastdriver
QUOTE (MinT @ Nov 1 2009, 16:46) *
Glizty multi £ circuit - check
Boring, processional race - check
Vettel moaning about Kers - check
Red Bull moaning about the double diffuser - check
Barrichello blaming the team - check

+10 up.gif
ex Rhodie racer 2
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 1 2009, 15:58) *
Mentioned after qualifying and just mentioned now, no mention that he has a faster car then anyone else.

Who has a faster car than anyone else? If you mean Seb, please put the top speeds up. I haven´t seen them, but I doubt the Red Bull was the fastest car out there. I could be wrong, but I don´t think so.
raiseyourfistfor
QUOTE (MiPe @ Nov 1 2009, 11:42) *
Actually in the post race interview he mentioned only once, and he also just said "button" to explain LH's acceleration. (Insert [KERS] was added by the reporter). Some fans simply don't want to hear anything about Lewis getting help from a mechanical devices.


roflmao.gif If you want to watch people race without mechanical help go watch a marathon
maccaFTW
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Nov 1 2009, 10:44) *
No, the race was over before that, Vettel was checking out, and even without a problem there is nothing Hamilton could have done about it.


His brake problem was from the beginning, according to what he said on SPEED. He said that he had a brake temperature issue, which meant he couldn't be as quick on entry as he's been all weekend.

Hamilton was 2-3 tenths quicker than the Red Bulls the whole weekend, race pace and qualifying. The brake problem clearly compromised his pace from the beginning. He was clearly braking a lot earlier than Vettel.
maccaFTW
QUOTE (FormerF1Driver @ Nov 1 2009, 10:34) *
hahaha. In a race where Button and Webber bith admitted fair play. A Lewis fan decides to stick the troll boot in, And its them trolling about Vettel as well. Unbelievable. Then when i said i was dissapointed about Hamiltons race in the LH thread im getting insulted...... by the very same people.


I haven't insulted you in that forum.

I'm not saying Webber did anything wrong. I'm just saying that he's not a gentleman when it comes to overtaking him, and he shouldn't be.

And someone who says the "f" word as often as he does clearly doesn't exhibit gentlemanly traits. Surely, you would agree.

I don't appreciate being called a troll. I've been a gentleman to you, so I expect the same in return.
Mulsanne
QUOTE (MinT @ Nov 1 2009, 16:46) *
Glizty multi £ circuit - check
Boring, processional race - check
Vettel moaning about Kers - check
Red Bull moaning about the double diffuser - check
Barrichello blaming the team - check

+1 up.gif

dexter311
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 1 2009, 16:59) *
And someone who says the "f" word as often as he does clearly doesn't exhibit gentlemanly traits. Surely, you would agree.

Aussies say f*** all the time. It's in our daily vocabulary these days. wave.gif
noikeee
McLaren - Not sure if that was related to the braking issues, but Hamilton's dominance from yesterday just disappeared. Was expecting a bit more, still was robbed of a solid 2nd place by a mechanical failure. Kova did a good start but then was a bit rubbish, you'd expect him to follow Kobayashi in taking advantage of the 1-stopper.

Red Bull - Great performance by Vettel, SEVENTEEN seconds over Webber! That's his best race on the dry I've ever seen.

Brawn - Solid weekend by Jenson this time, though I wonder what would've happened with Rubens if he hadn't lost half of his front wing. Fun clean battle between Jenson and Mark at the end.

BMW - Seriously impressive race by Heidfeld today, lost places at the start but had the pace to jump Kubica and Trulli and to even keep up with the Brawns! Robert was a bit unlucky to tangle with Buemi but I was still expecting more from him. Nevertheless good final race from the team.

Toyota - Kobayashi must've read all the bad things I've wrote about him and went on a charge to prove me wrong. Was flawless today, after yesterday I wouldn't expect him to end up ahead of Trulli on merit on my wildest dreams.

Toro Rosso - Congrats to Buemi for the point, but can't help but feel that with the Red Bull main team being so competitive, this was what Toro Rosso and Buemi should've been doing the whole season.

Williams - Completely anonymous. When will they ever not fall back during a season?

Ferrari - Great lawnmower they got running over there.

Renault - Same. Disappointed at Grosjean failing to show racecraft again, after what had been a good start - by contrast, a dreadful start by Fred.

Force India - up.gif for Liuzzi, about time he beat Sutil in a race, think that sealed off his contract for next year if it hadn't been signed already.
maccaFTW
QUOTE (dexter311 @ Nov 1 2009, 11:02) *
Aussies say f*** all the time. It's in our daily vocabulary these days. wave.gif


Bloody convicts.wink.gif jk
Kristian
QUOTE (craftverk @ Nov 1 2009, 16:47) *
Wasn't as boring as Suzuka, believe it or not.


Very true. But at least quali in Suzuka was full of drama as the men and the boys were sorted by the challenge there...
maccaFTW
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Nov 1 2009, 11:03) *
McLaren - Not sure if that was related to the braking issues, but Hamilton's dominance from yesterday just disappeared. Was expecting a bit more, still was robbed of a solid 2nd place by a mechanical failure. Kova did a good start but then was a bit rubbish, you'd expect him to follow Kobayashi in taking advantage of the 1-stopper.


It was the braking issue. He had problems from the beginning with temperature and couldn't push on entry as hard as Vettel, or as hard as he could when he was 2-3 tenths quicker than the Bulls the whole weekend.
JPW
Sure it wasn't the most exciting of races but overall I think that this track is a great addition to the F1 calendar.
If they continue developing Yas Island, the Ferrari themepark is ready and they open a couple of golf courses I might be tempted to go there next year, flying to Dubai is dirt cheap nowadays.

Great mature race by Sebastian Vettel, that guy is the real deal up.gif
Interesting scrap from Jenson and Mark in the end, a fair fight.
Heidfeld nowhere to be seen but still delivers the points. up.gif
McLaren and Ferrari looking rather silly
Buemi a very deserved point
Toyota doing very well, let's hope they stay for 2010 with Kobayashi and without Howett.

All in all an OK 2009 season, nice to see other teams at the front for a change and with Brawn/Button we ended up with very sympathetic winners, can't wait for 2010 to start.
craftverk
QUOTE (paranoik0 @ Nov 1 2009, 16:03) *
McLaren - Not sure if that was related to the braking issues, but Hamilton's dominance from yesterday just disappeared. Was expecting a bit more, still was robbed of a solid 2nd place by a mechanical failure. Kova did a good start but then was a bit rubbish, you'd expect him to follow Kobayashi in taking advantage of the 1-stopper.

It didn't dissapear, it was the brakes which started failing from the beginning of the race. Hamilton set the third fastest lap of the race, and with brake problems, I think Hamilton would've been a country mile ahead of Vettel.
FormerF1Driver
QUOTE (maccaFTW @ Nov 1 2009, 15:59) *
I haven't insulted you in that forum.

I'm not saying Webber did anything wrong. I'm just saying that he's not a gentleman when it comes to overtaking him, and he shouldn't be.

And someone who says the "f" word as often as he does clearly doesn't exhibit gentlemanly traits. Surely, you would agree.

I don't appreciate being called a troll. I've been a gentleman to you, so I expect the same in return.


My apologies..

Dude, you are ok. up.gif
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