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Francesc
QUOTE (Alonzo @ Nov 2 2009, 16:11) *
are you been sarcastic or you really like the guy?


I'm being sarcastic and I like the guy smile.gif
seltaeb
I'm very happy for Rubens to be moving on to Williams at this point. If they can develop a good car for 2010, then Rubens/Nico will be another great pairing. With Williams dumping Toyota engines in favor of Cosworth, I think there's a good chance they'll make a leap forward next season.

I think this means that the last GP of 2010, at Interlagos, will be Rubens' 300th!

Another good thing about leaving Brawn is that Rubens wont have to wear #2 again! lol.gif
PNSD
QUOTE (Alonzo @ Nov 2 2009, 15:11) *
In Germany BrawnGP screwed Barrichello and benefited Button afterwards. In Hungary the spring drop ruined Rubens' weekend. In Singapore Barrichello was way better but Button got lucky with the SC and for been allowed to start with more fuel for imcompetently been out of Q3. In Brazil we all know again Button finish ahead due to lucky. Even in Abu Dhabi Barrichello was better if you consider he had a quite damaged front wing.
In raw speed terms Barrichello ALWAYS beated Button since Silverstone..


You just made my day...

Firstly, the fuel rig screwed Barachello, not the team. The fuel rigs are independant of the team.

In Singapore the SC did not help Button. It infact ruined his strategy. Button had fuel for a good 10 laps or so when the saftey car came out. Instead it came out when Baracehello and the like needed to pit... it negated Buttons heavy fuel load and he was forced to pit or lose out big time. Re-watch the race. Button was mighty quick on that heavy fuel load.

In Abu Dhabi it was said there was no noticeable drop in performance from the damaged front wing. The load readings were still the same. There are few fast corners where the damaged front wing would have made the difference. Button beat Rubens and was quicker front wing damage regardless...

Also, "beated" is not a word.

In the end what does it matter? Button won the WDC and Rubens finished 3rd.

Personally i am sad he is leaving Brawn but happy it is for Williams. I think Rubens is the perfect team mate to Nico. Rubens seems like the sorta driver who could really shine at Williams. I look forward to seeing him perform there!
mursuka80
QUOTE (potmotr @ Nov 2 2009, 14:28) *
Also, the last race of next season will be Barrichello's 300th GP!


Thats great number for Rubens to call it quits up.gif Next seasons driver lineups look fantastic clap.gif
WebBerK
And that when Rubens communicated Ross yesterday about his move, he said something like "what do you mean ?".
Then, Rubens added that he felt Jenson's contractual situation would take long, so Rubens decided to sign for Williams.
maccaFTW
QUOTE (THE @ Nov 2 2009, 06:18) *
Nico Hulenberg exciting young talent although I am worried because his main rival was Romain Grosjean and he's been dissapointing.


Hamilton's main rivals in GP2 was Nelson Piquet.

In fact, Hamilton and Hulkenberg's careers up to this point have an eerily similar progression: F3 Euroseries champion with ASM/ART in second year in the series, GP2 champion in rookie season in GP2 with ART, chief rivals in GP2 were Piquet and Grosjean, respectively and in the order in which they were rubbished by Alonso at Renault,... and their names both start with "H".wink.gif
dexter311
Looks like Williams has become the "Nico" team, just like STR are the "Sebastian" team... stoned.gif

Great to see Rubens continuing his career though, and with a great mix of experience and new talent Williams will surely have a good chance in 2010 if the Cosworth turns out to be mildly competitive.
Alonzo
QUOTE (PNSD @ Nov 2 2009, 13:50) *
You just made my day...

Firstly, the fuel rig screwed Barachello, not the team. The fuel rigs are independant of the team.

In Singapore the SC did not help Button. It infact ruined his strategy. Button had fuel for a good 10 laps or so when the saftey car came out. Instead it came out when Baracehello and the like needed to pit... it negated Buttons heavy fuel load and he was forced to pit or lose out big time. Re-watch the race. Button was mighty quick on that heavy fuel load.

In Abu Dhabi it was said there was no noticeable drop in performance from the damaged front wing. The load readings were still the same. There are few fast corners where the damaged front wing would have made the difference. Button beat Rubens and was quicker front wing damage regardless...

In Germany, it wasn't only the fuel rig the problem. BrawnGP called Barrichello to pit earlier than Jenson but Barrichello was longer in fuel and I'm pretty sure you didn't forget this fact, you probably didn't mention it on purpose.
In Singapore, the SC obviously ruined Barrichello's strategy more than Button's cause it made vanish the gap Barrichello had over him and all people I know agree with that, you are the first I see saying it ruined Button's strategy. In Abu Dhabi, downforce isn't much required as you correctly said, but it seemed that the part of the wing damaged was the endplate which reduces massively the drag in the front tyre.
Besides that, Button's tittle is deserved and didn't say otherwise. The current champion had a great first half of the season, what is ridicolous is people using statistics that doesn't show how Barrichello was completely dominant over Button after Turkey, but that doesn't taint Button's tittle imo.
PS: what is the past of "beat"? blush.gif
Anssi
Good pair. I expect Williams to have its strongest season in a long time next year. If they don't - then we pretty much know the team is incapable of building a winning car nowadays. I hope that will not turn out to be true, so you better win races next year! You are running out of excuses as much as all the other losers in F1.

Woof! cat.gif
Catchpole
An old hand and a young hotshot - I like it! smoking.gif It's definitely what Williams needs. It should be good for Nico too, as I'm sure Rubens will take him under his wing. It's probably also good for Bruno Senna that Rubens will still be around, as I'm sure Rubens will also take him under his wing, like Ayrton did with him.

However, I have some doubts which I hope will be dispelled. Rubens, IMHO is the type that occasionally needs an arm around the shoulder (especially when things aren't going well) and have the team bosses to tell him that it's ok, we have faith in your ability and that we still believe you're the best etc. The trouble is that he's at Williams, how are not exactly famed for being particularly warm with their drivers; their approach to a driver struggling for form is best described (for want of a better expression) as 'Nut-up or Shut-up!' (Thanks to Zombieland for that!). After-all, H-H Frentzen didn't have a great start (and never recovered) at Williams and was given the cold-shoulder. However, when treated with some TLC at Jordan, Frentzen flourished. I fear if Rubens does hit a slump and Williams don't give him TLC, then the slump may well be terminal to his performances from that point forward.
bonjon1979
QUOTE (Alonzo @ Nov 2 2009, 15:11) *
are you been sarcastic or you really like the guy?


FANBOY
distorcing reality with numbers that oftenly doesn't represent how things really were. In Germany BrawnGP screwed Barrichello and benefited Button afterwards. In Hungary the spring drop ruined Rubens' weekend. In Singapore Barrichello was way better but Button got lucky with the SC and for been allowed to start with more fuel for imcompetently been out of Q3. In Brazil we all know again Button finish ahead due to lucky. Even in Abu Dhabi Barrichello was better if you consider he had a quite damaged front wing.
In raw speed terms Barrichello ALWAYS beated Button since Silverstone.
Even in the first half of the year, Barrichello with more fuel beated Button in some qualis. Barrichello is just faster than Button and that is it. BrawnGP will keep Button for marketing reasons.

If Barrichello went to Mclaren, the Woking team would have to boycott him in order to make sure Lewis would beat him easily as Rubens with an inferior car in Valencia beated the overated Hamilton.


Good lord. What a balanced well thought out response. I'm actually a Mclaren fan and was merely stating the facts so not a 'fanboy' as you put it. I'm not going to point out the flaws in your arguments because I can detect the rabid foaming of a zealot who has already decided what 'the truth' is and as such can not engage in a constructive discussion. However, generally I don't think Button and Rubens are that far apart in terms of talent, as I recall some seasons Jenson beat RB and other seasons it went the other way. The fact remains that Button scored nearly 20 pts more than Rubens this year so clearly performed better across the entire season.

Anyway, this is a thread about Hulkenberg and Barrichello. For me, this looks like a great combination, the old experienced guy with the new rookie. I think it's great for Hulkenberg, he could really get a leg up in F1 if he absorbs as much info as he can from Rubens. It's a real opportunity to learn from someone who has been there and done it, in much the same way as I'm sure Hamilton learned a shed load from Alonso.
Brawn BGP 001
QUOTE (Alonzo @ Nov 2 2009, 15:11) *
FANBOY
distorcing reality with numbers that oftenly doesn't represent how things really were. In Germany BrawnGP screwed Barrichello and benefited Button afterwards. In Hungary the spring drop ruined Rubens' weekend. In Singapore Barrichello was way better but Button got lucky with the SC and for been allowed to start with more fuel for imcompetently been out of Q3. In Brazil we all know again Button finish ahead due to lucky. Even in Abu Dhabi Barrichello was better if you consider he had a quite damaged front wing.
In raw speed terms Barrichello ALWAYS beated Button since Silverstone.
Even in the first half of the year, Barrichello with more fuel beated Button in some qualis. Barrichello is just faster than Button and that is it. BrawnGP will keep Button for marketing reasons.

Germany - RB was quicker, but was let down by a fuel rig problem not the team
Hungary - JB quicker, RB had a shocking start
Valencia - great win by RB
Belgium - RB finished
Italy - RB wins
Singapore - JB strategy ruined by safety car, juding by laps in clear air could have got podium
Japan - RB quicker in Q, JB in race
Brazil- Great pole lap by RB, got unlucky after first stop but JB quicker in race (14th-6th more impressive than 1st-4th)
Abu Dhabi - JB shades it
dank
Barrichello's been busy getting acquainted with Williams's history today.

barteks
QUOTE (Francesc @ Nov 2 2009, 13:34) *
Let's hope he can make it to 400 gps

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