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I have just set up a general McLaren thread. This is not intended to tread on anyones toes nor compete with this thread which is afterall the more relevent thread, however if you ever feel like you are treading on eggshells, for example the recent discussion on the Mclaren accounts, all discussion of the MP4-12C and the MOD McLaren contracts or anything else that is not deemed MP4-25 specific I have set this up to afford a little more flexibility. It may prove a useful repository especially off season. McLaren is becoming increasingly diverse yet the success/development of all these different subsidiaries relate ultimately to the work of McLaren racing limited and all future iterations of the MP4 F1 race car.
QUOTE (SAFC09 @ Jan 18 2010, 19:22) 
Alonso has his say on Jenson's move to McLaren
''Jenson decided he wanted a new challenge, he was not absolutely happy with the new contract from Brawn, and he is going to a very competitive team. Definitely he is happy, and for sure it is not a mistake.''
''Jenson decided he wanted a new challenge, he was not absolutely happy with the new contract from Brawn, and he is going to a very competitive team. Definitely he is happy, and for sure it is not a mistake.''
Well Fernando would really like the reigning wdc to be a nice tethered goat for Hammy. What would Fernando look like if Jense beat Lewis?
QUOTE (THE @ Jan 18 2010, 18:30)
People forget, Jenson, Lewis, Pedro and Gary are a team. Just because Jenson is doing the third day doesn't mean they favour Lewis or vice versa.
Well if anything, Button is getting the best deal, the first day, Pedro is just going to be ironing out the bugs. Look at last year at Renault, this was Piquets job, if it had being favourable Alonso would have taken the 1st test but then that good have ended up wasting their best (development) driver
QUOTE (THE @ Jan 18 2010, 18:30)
People forget, Jenson, Lewis, Pedro and Gary are a team. Just because Jenson is doing the third day doesn't mean they favour Lewis or vice versa.
Eeerm actually those who test later have the advantage. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. Ther eis a reason why the likes of Schumi and Alonso test later.
what is so important who test when, as long as they get equal amount of days, the paranoya sorrounding this years tests are amazing
ffs, this is gonna be one, long tedious pain in the arse season if this is any indication of how it's gonna be picked at.
why don't we just dust off the old two seater, fit dual controls, will that satisfy ... probably not, three pages on who's gonna sit in the front, and who's unfairly stuck in the back.
why don't we just dust off the old two seater, fit dual controls, will that satisfy ... probably not, three pages on who's gonna sit in the front, and who's unfairly stuck in the back.
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Jan 18 2010, 19:45)
I have just set up a general McLaren thread. This is not intended to tread on anyones toes nor compete with this thread which is afterall the more relevent thread, however if you ever feel like you are treading on eggshells, for example the recent discussion on the Mclaren accounts, all discussion of the MP4-12C and the MOD McLaren contracts or anything else that is not deemed MP4-25 specific I have set this up to afford a little more flexibility. It may prove a useful repository especially off season. McLaren is becoming increasingly diverse yet the success/development of all these different subsidiaries relate ultimately to the work of McLaren racing limited and all future iterations of the MP4 F1 race car.
Thanks werks prototype
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 18 2010, 21:18)
what is so important who test when, as long as they get equal amount of days, the paranoya sorrounding this years tests are amazing
I agree. Sadly I feel that Alonso's welll documented moans have had an effect on the McLaren press dept. So they're going into overdrive to confirm equality.
So... it's not going to be silver that new McLaren. Not very surprising though a pity, because it was the most awesome liveries for many years, at least since 2007.
I think it's just the internet age and the amount of analysis. I've always really liked Alonso's '07 quote about 'tell me you have equality and I'll tell you what you are lacking. There's always a better lap to stop on" etc (not got the full quote to hand, so that's paraphrasing). In a world where the tiniest advantage can be crucial, as we have with F1 (especially with last season's so close grid), and analysis to the nth degree, it's no suprise this is made in to such a big deal.
It does not matter who tests first.
Also, WACKO, did I miss something? I remember them saying the car will keep the current livery more or less, any indication otherwise? (I wouldn't mind being surprised
)
Also, WACKO, did I miss something? I remember them saying the car will keep the current livery more or less, any indication otherwise? (I wouldn't mind being surprised
)
QUOTE (WACKO @ Jan 18 2010, 23:05)
So... it's not going to be silver that new McLaren. Not very surprising though a pity, because it was the most awesome liveries for many years, at least since 2007.
never heard before, any source?
The livery will remain the same. Whitmarsh has already confirmed this.
QUOTE (feynman @ Jan 18 2010, 21:31)
ffs, this is gonna be one, long tedious pain in the arse season if this is any indication of how it's gonna be picked at.
why don't we just dust off the old two seater, fit dual controls, will that satisfy ... probably not, three pages on who's gonna sit in the front, and who's unfairly stuck in the back.
why don't we just dust off the old two seater, fit dual controls, will that satisfy ... probably not, three pages on who's gonna sit in the front, and who's unfairly stuck in the back.
There's no real disadvantage to going last anyway, engineers know the car better, set up more refined, track rubbered in - I'm sure there'll be loads of people saying that Jense has wooped Hamilton after he's quicker on the following day. If I recall, they alternated who went first and second through the tests last year, I'm sure they'll do the same this year. Though testing times are interesting to see where the teams lie, we ultimately won't know anything until Bahrain.
Well, Jenson said PDLR would drive the MP4/25 on the first, now that he's gone to Sauber, who shall shake it down? Gary?
DLR to sauber, it's official. Isn't that dangerous, he'll drive the new mac in one week and now he's driving for another team. I hope he learned his leasson from 2007 with alonso but still...
PDlR is probably on gardening leave for some time.
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 19 2010, 11:00)
DLR to sauber, it's official. Isn't that dangerous, he'll drive the new mac in one week and now he's driving for another team. I hope he learned his leasson from 2007 with alonso but still...
I think McLaren have expected this departure for a while though. I'm sure De La Rosa would have been cut out of much of the development of the 25 because of this. Jenson seems to have been working awfully hard in the simulator. + I think Pedros Mc test would just take the form of a shakedown anyway.
De La Rosa to leave McLaren, meaning every driver in McLaren is now British, with Pafflet the official tester.
QUOTE (craftverk @ Jan 19 2010, 11:31)
Nice. Guess mirrors aren't attached to sidepod vanes then?
paffet to drive day 1? or lewis and jenson share day 1?
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 19 2010, 11:32)
That is cruel. A mirror???? They are killing me here
I like the sound of 'daily updates' though. Looking forward to tomorrows 'wheel nut'.
I bet it has 3 points of downforce!
ATM Andy?
Looks like a twitter feed worth following if you're interested in the development of F1 cars generally because quite apart from anything else it will give you some idea of the timetable to which these guys are working.
Looks like a twitter feed worth following if you're interested in the development of F1 cars generally because quite apart from anything else it will give you some idea of the timetable to which these guys are working.
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 19 2010, 12:47)
Nice. Guess mirrors aren't attached to sidepod vanes then?
Mclaren used to have a conservative approach with the mirrors
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Jan 19 2010, 12:50)
That is cruel. A mirror???? They are killing me here
Tomorrow it will be left mirror.
QUOTE (dsfgdshg @ Jan 19 2010, 16:34)
Tomorrow it will be left mirror.
Or maybe they'll zoom the picture out, and all along you were looking in the right mirror AT the left mirror?
Or something equally shocking and clever if what I said isn't logical.
QUOTE (RoutariEnjinu @ Jan 19 2010, 14:49)
Or maybe they'll zoom the picture out, and all along you were looking in the right mirror AT the left mirror?
If that happens I think we can out M. Night Shyamalan as the fifthdriver.QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 19 2010, 12:32)
Maybe that is our Andy.
QUOTE (salamin @ Jan 19 2010, 12:45)
Mclaren used to have a conservative approach with the mirrors
Except for their "Haul of Mirrors" from that Sepang test in March 2007.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 19 2010, 16:22)
Except for their "Haul of Mirrors" from that Sepang test in March 2007.
Aren't they testing the mirror positions or am i completley wrong
?
QUOTE (dsfgdshg @ Jan 19 2010, 14:34)
Tomorrow it will be left mirror.
QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Jan 19 2010, 15:31)
Aren't they testing the mirror positions or am i completley wrong ?
?Yep.
That was at the start of the trend for teams to run mirrors on the outside of the sidepods.
McLaren gave it a try to see if their drivers could see enough.
The answer was no, so they kept the inboard design.
You'd think that image was photoshopped though, right?
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 19 2010, 16:22)
Except for their "Haul of Mirrors" from that Sepang test in March 2007.
good find
Here is the helmet I was talking about:
Was recoloured on Paint, which explains the low-res parts.
Was recoloured on Paint, which explains the low-res parts.
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 19 2010, 17:35)
Here is the helmet I was talking about:
Was recoloured on Paint, which explains the low-res parts.
Was recoloured on Paint, which explains the low-res parts.
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Jan 19 2010, 18:05)
Is the green screen so they can CGI some 'friends' for his 'party' afterwards?
Jenson''Billy no mates ''Button
QUOTE (SAFC09 @ Jan 19 2010, 17:50)
Love the comedy boos
QUOTE (salamin @ Jan 19 2010, 11:27)
good find
Lewis didn't receive a cake for his birthday.Mclarens got a new number 1 driver,even in there press release,its all about jenson.I predict that this will be the last year for lewis at mclaren.
The images of the prototype mirrors that were released today didn't really appear particularly streamlined, infact quite bulky. Are they aerodynamic specific areas or designed with creating pressure areas in mind. A little bit like some of the bulky spoon shaped noses used last year.
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Jan 19 2010, 14:23)
The images of the prototype mirrors that were released today didn't really appear particularly streamlined, infact quite bulky. Are they aerodynamic specific areas or designed with creating pressure areas in mind. A little bit like some of the bulky spoon shaped noses used last year.
Iam not trolling, I have been browsing for a long time,just started to post.Iam just calling it the way I see it,just a little to much jenson.
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 19 2010, 17:22)
Except for their "Haul of Mirrors" from that Sepang test in March 2007.
If only we could go back to these regulations. Cars looked so much better, add slicks and you got yourself a beamer.
QUOTE (dhill39 @ Jan 19 2010, 19:33)
Iam not trolling, I have been browsing for a long time,just started to post.Iam just calling it the way I see it,just a little to much jenson.
It would be kind of silly for Mclaren to already declare Jenson their new number 1, when he hasn't even turned one wheel in their car yet don't you think ? Jenson ain't gonna have it that easy. It's more likely that Mclaren see him as their shiny new toy, and him being the reigning world champ, i think they are just trying to market the sh*te out of him, and ensure he feels wanted......
QUOTE (dhill39 @ Jan 19 2010, 20:33)
Iam not trolling, I have been browsing for a long time,just started to post.Iam just calling it the way I see it,just a little to much jenson.
Jenson this
Jenson that
Jenson, Jenson, Jenson
really, a little bit (too) much
It's very quiet about Lewis
a little bit too quiet
there will be a reason for it
QUOTE (dhill39 @ Jan 19 2010, 19:33)
Iam not trolling, I have been browsing for a long time,just started to post.Iam just calling it the way I see it,just a little to much jenson.
He's their new signing and reigning WDC- I see this more as a way of introducing Button to McLaren fans and giving the press something to write about relating to the team during the winter test ban.
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