Timstr11
Jan 20 2010, 14:01
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 20 2010, 14:10)
Well, as long as Simon Lacey isnt fired or anything and still works in some capacity there, I guess two heads are better than one... we havent reached an excess of genius just yet.
You can't have two heads of aero. Either Lacey has accepted a demotion or he has left the team already....back to Brackley?
f1rules
Jan 20 2010, 14:02
yes maybe, problem is we dont know how long a contract he had with ferrari
"As revealed by the aforementioned publication, the 41-year old designer reached an amiable agreement with the Scuderia shortly after the German Grand Prix, only the two parties did not want to make an official announcement on the matter. Part of the settlement includes a clause that says Illey is forbidden to join a rival team within the next 6 months."
f1rules
Jan 20 2010, 14:10
well please send Lacey to Mercedes. When you see the cw of brawns head of aero there is reason to be worried, :-) why dont mercedes go shopping for good personnel at mclaren. Also i would like to see a guy like Pat symonds at Mercedes.
Minardi, williams, honda need i say more lol
March 2009 Head of Aerodynamics, Brawn GP Formula One Team
2007 Head of Aerodynamics, Honda Racing F1 Team
2004 Chief Aerodynamicist, Williams F1
2001 Chief Aerodynamicist, Minardi
1999 Chief Designer, Prost
1995 Assistant Technical Director, Ligier F1
1994 Senior Aerodynamicist, Sauber F1
1990 CAD/CAM Manager & Aerodynamicist, Ligier F1
1981 Aerodynamics Engineer, Microturbo Gas Turbines
1980 Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers with a degree in Aerodynamics
potmotr
Jan 20 2010, 14:13
QUOTE (bogi @ Jan 20 2010, 12:56)
This is probably some fireproof paint
It actually looks like some kind of fibreglass male mould?
Perhaps used when fabricating the monocoque?*
*Well likely to be talking out my arse here.
Google result about J Lacey:
QUOTE
McLaren Racing Design and Development Director Simon Lacey
This suggests to me that Iley will be reporting to Simon Lacey.
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 20 2010, 15:10)
well please send Lacey to Mercedes. When you see the cw of brawns head of aero there is reason to be worried, :-) why dont mercedes go shopping for good personnel at mclaren. Also i would like to see a guy like Pat symonds at Mercedes.
Minardi, williams, honda need i say more lol [...]
I had thought that would happen when the split was announced but then it struck me that there may be an agreement with Merc not to poach Mclaren personnel for a specified time period.
dabrasco
Jan 20 2010, 14:21
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 20 2010, 15:13)
From Mclaren website about J Lacey:
This suggests to me that Iley will be reporting to Simon Lacey.
yea it was rather confusing when I checked
on this page
http://www.mclaren.com/theteam/simon-lacey.phpit has "Biography of McLaren Racing Design and Development Director Simon Lacey"
in the description tag
but on the page itself it says "SIMON LACEY
Head of Aerodynamics, McLaren Racing"
maybe they are still in the process of updating everything fully
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 20 2010, 15:21)
yea it was rather confusing when I checked
in the description tag on this page
http://www.mclaren.com/theteam/simon-lacey.phpit has "Biography of McLaren Racing Design and Development Director Simon Lacey"
but on the page itself it says "SIMON LACEY
Head of Aerodynamics, McLaren Racing"
maybe they are still in the process of updating everything fully
I noticed the same thing. I think they will update the site info shortly now that Iley has been confirmed with that title.
Timstr11
Jan 20 2010, 14:38
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 20 2010, 15:10)
well please send Lacey to Mercedes. When you see the cw of brawns head of aero there is reason to be worried, :-) why dont mercedes go shopping for good personnel at mclaren. Also i would like to see a guy like Pat symonds at Mercedes.
Minardi, williams, honda need i say more lol
With one of the most advanced aero designs of last year, Brawn/Mercedes are doing very well. It was not all down to the DDD.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
PS Simon Lacey went from head of aero at Honda F1 to Mclaren F1. Go figure.
QUOTE (lorca @ Jan 20 2010, 13:39)
Raincoat
Jan 20 2010, 14:50
QUOTE (bogi @ Jan 20 2010, 14:18)
Who is J Lacey?
The boxer
werks prototype
Jan 20 2010, 14:52
Looks like Lacey has gone to automotive.
f1rules
Jan 20 2010, 14:56
ah ok, thanks for info
i hope lacey is still involved in the F1 team as he is a real jewel in the tech department. his talents be wasted in rons world. I dnt know much about john illey but Lacey loss to Mclaren F1 team will have a effect. Can anyone confirm if he still be with the mclaren F1 team?
WebBerK
Jan 20 2010, 15:24
Does Button already laments losing his Rubens ?
The "we can work it out" buddy ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8470055.stm"I wouldn't have won the world championship without Rubens Barrichello [Brawn team-mate].
"We built the car up, we pushed for improvements, we worked together as a team and you see what happens at the end of the year.
to win a championship u need support of ur team mate its impossible to test all tyres/strategies parts on your own. So i agree the WDC wil be the one who has 100% backing of their teammate
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 20 2010, 16:02)
i hope lacey is still involved in the F1 team as he is a real jewel in the tech department. his talents be wasted in rons world. I dnt know much about john illey but Lacey loss to Mclaren F1 team will have a effect. Can anyone confirm if he still be with the mclaren F1 team?
Try to have some confidence in the team's decisions. Success means more to them than to any fan no matter how fervent because they (the team) have much more at stake.
Mclaren are a team with phenomenal depth when it comes to talents.
One thing is certain, Ron D will never do anything that will hurt Mclaren F1.
Timstr11
Jan 20 2010, 15:45
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 20 2010, 16:02)
i hope lacey is still involved in the F1 team as he is a real jewel in the tech department. his talents be wasted in rons world. I dnt know much about john illey but Lacey loss to Mclaren F1 team will have a effect. Can anyone confirm if he still be with the mclaren F1 team?
Clearly they were not too happy with Lacey, otherwise they would not have replaced him.
hunnylander
Jan 20 2010, 16:32
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 20 2010, 18:45)
Clearly they were not too happy with Lacey, otherwise they would not have replaced him.
Iley was too big fish to miss out, but to captivate him, Lacey had to be removed from his aero boss role. Simon Lacey is younger than John Iley, I don't think the latter would have liked it to have a younger boss above him, whe he used to be head of aero at Ferrari for long already.
Lacey might come back to the Racing department one day. I'm sure he got a decent and interesting new job with similar wages, and may know he can return one day, when Iley leaves, fails or retires.
it does sound Lacey was pushed. I dnt think a f1 engineer who has the passion to work all hours suddenly says i want to work on road cars. I think Lacey is to big fish to remain in rons world. He will leave for another f1 team if the rumours are true john is his ultimate replacement.
TheArmchairCritic
Jan 20 2010, 17:05
http://www.mclaren-jobs.com/racing_job_detail.php?id=28This might confirm that Lacey isn't 100% to remain at McLaren as I doubt they'd be advertising for the post if they already had it sorted internally, then again they might just be testing the water to see if anyone else better is available.
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jan 20 2010, 18:05)
http://www.mclaren-jobs.com/racing_job_detail.php?id=28This might confirm that Lacey isn't 100% to remain at McLaren as I doubt they'd be advertising for the post if they already had it sorted internally, then again they might just be testing the water to see if anyone else better is available.
Lol, that was an advert for a much junior position. It is for a position at the bottom end of management ladder.
Lacey was the head of Aerodynamics. He had the title of director.
TheArmchairCritic
Jan 20 2010, 17:21
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 20 2010, 17:15)
Lol, that was an advert for a much junior position. It is for a position at the bottom end of management ladder.
Lacey was the head of Aerodynamics. He had the title of director.
Oh cock thought it was on the Automotive side, my bad it's been a long day
Slartibartfast
Jan 20 2010, 17:46
QUOTE (jjthekid46 @ Jan 20 2010, 01:50)
According to Button, he has trimmed his beard cause he wants to look "younger" since its the first time he has had a younger teammate lol. Somehow i doubt that's true lol. I'm to bet Mclaren had a say about his facial hair:
Lewis had a wee afro in GP2. it disappeared as soon as he became a Mclaren driver
Alonso had wild long hair at the end of his first stint at Renault. that disappeared as soon as he became a Mclaren driver
Heikki used to feature at the race of championships when he was at Renault. that stoped when he became a Mclaren driver
Lewis has never appeared at the race of champions, despite the fact he once said he would like to
And now Button has shaved his beard, after having it for ages at Brawn
Oh and we most likey not get to see Button at the race of champions anymore
Man Mclaren are such a kill joy of a team lol...........
And yet people claim that it was lack of talent that prevented me driving for McLaren...
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jan 20 2010, 18:05)
http://www.mclaren-jobs.com/racing_job_detail.php?id=28This might confirm that Lacey isn't 100% to remain at McLaren as I doubt they'd be advertising for the post if they already had it sorted internally, then again they might just be testing the water to see if anyone else better is available.
That's a great 1999 website there.. lol!
f1rules
Jan 20 2010, 18:07
QUOTE (Enkei @ Jan 20 2010, 19:04)
That's a great 1999 website there.. lol!
lol, yes
quasi C
Jan 20 2010, 18:39
Hold on a minute, this has happened before.
Maybe Iley will return to Ferrari in 2 years as chief designer ;)
jjcale
Jan 20 2010, 19:16
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 20 2010, 15:02)
i hope lacey is still involved in the F1 team as he is a real jewel in the tech department. his talents be wasted in rons world. I dnt know much about john illey but Lacey loss to Mclaren F1 team will have a effect. Can anyone confirm if he still be with the mclaren F1 team?
... isnt Lacey responsible for last years lack of downforce debacle?
Raincoat
Jan 20 2010, 19:16
QUOTE (quasi C @ Jan 20 2010, 18:39)
Hold on a minute, this has happened before.
Maybe Iley will return to Ferrari in 2 years as chief designer ;)
With the McLaren secret documents
QUOTE (quasi C @ Jan 20 2010, 19:39)
Hold on a minute, this has happened before.
Maybe Iley will return to Ferrari in 2 years as chief designer ;)
Tombazis
hunnylander
Jan 20 2010, 20:11
QUOTE (Enkei @ Jan 20 2010, 20:04)
That's a great 1999 website there.. lol!
That site look GOOD! Those vistaesque fluffy crapsites, which is the trend, those look terrible. McLaren has taste.
hunnylander
Jan 20 2010, 20:16
QUOTE (quasi C @ Jan 20 2010, 20:39)
Hold on a minute, this has happened before.
Maybe Iley will return to Ferrari in 2 years as chief designer ;)
Crossed my mind. My face becomes ferrariesque if that happens.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 20 2010, 20:16)
Crossed my mind. My face becomes ferrariesque if that happens.
Can they not stick some kind of clause to prevent that this time...
maverick69
Jan 20 2010, 20:42
QUOTE (jjcale @ Jan 20 2010, 19:16)
... isnt Lacey responsible for last years lack of downforce debacle?
A lack of downforce has followed Lacey around like a bad smell.....
hunnylander
Jan 20 2010, 20:51
QUOTE (HarryReams @ Jan 20 2010, 22:42)
A lack of downforce has followed Lacey around like a bad smell.....
Disagree. The target was set too low, the must-have KERS-based design was the wrong route, the development started too late and with less efforts because of the 2008 fight...
The pre- and in-season aero development was AWESOME. It was his work too, credit where it's due.
Also the soon revealed MP4-25 was developed mainly under his head of aero working. Let's not forget that, when the 25 will be a speedbeast.
I'll call the 25 the Silver Beast ™...
De Jokke
Jan 20 2010, 20:58
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 20 2010, 21:51)
Disagree. The target was set too low, the must-have KERS-based design was the wrong route, the development started too late and with less efforts because of the 2008 fight...
The pre- and in-season aero development was AWESOME. It was his work too, credit where it's due.
Also the soon revealed MP4-25 was developed mainly under his head of aero working.
Let's not forget that, when the 25 will be a speedbeast.
I'll call the 25 the Silver Beast ™... The Silver Bullet ? Sounds faster
De Jokke
Jan 20 2010, 21:02
BTW: seems like the drivers haven't been officially named on the mcl website for the 1-3febr. test.
Is that because of DLR ?
hunnylander
Jan 20 2010, 21:07
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 20 2010, 22:58)
The Silver Bullet ? Sounds faster
A bullet has no soul, but mechanics and drivers use to say, a racing car is a 'living beast', has 'soul'. We'll see what name the 25 will deserve.
hunnylander
Jan 20 2010, 21:11
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 20 2010, 23:02)
BTW: seems like the drivers haven't been officially named on the mcl website for the 1-3febr. test.
Is that because of DLR ?
A spokeperson said it will be a testdriver on the 1st (according to motorsport.com). It must be Paffett, because he can be the only test driver who knows the car from the simulator.
Gary, Lewis, Jenson, that will be the first test.
f1rules
Jan 20 2010, 21:13
the best name for a car last year was by far vettels car, after he got a new chassis, what was it, the first chassis was "Kate" sec was "Kates dirty sister"
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 20 2010, 21:58)
The Silver Bullet ? Sounds faster
I'm afraid the "Silver" reference left Woking with Mercedes, so I would suggest something like the grey Bullet/Beast/Pig/Tortoise.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 20 2010, 21:16)
Crossed my mind. My face becomes ferrariesque if that happens.
Are we thinking he may be a Ferrari mole?
Slartibartfast
Jan 20 2010, 22:27
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 20 2010, 21:13)
I'm afraid the "Silver" reference left Woking with Mercedes, so I would suggest something like the grey Bullet/Beast/Pig/Tortoise.
If 'silver' is out, how about, in order of performance; Grey Panther (fast and agile), Smokin' Gun (fast in a straight line), Smokey Bacon (it's a pig), Platinum Blonde (at least it looks good)?
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 20 2010, 21:13)
I'm afraid the "Silver" reference left Woking with Mercedes, so I would suggest something like the grey Bullet/Beast/Pig/Tortoise.
Classy.
Callisto
Jan 21 2010, 03:56
QUOTE (Slartibartfast @ Jan 20 2010, 22:27)
If 'silver' is out, how about, in order of performance; Grey Panther (fast and agile), Smokin' Gun (fast in a straight line), Smokey Bacon (it's a pig), Platinum Blonde (at least it looks good)?
"We can confirm that John Iley has joined Vodafone McLaren Mercedes as Head of Aerodynamics," a McLaren spokesman told GPUpdate.net on Wednesday afternoon.
"He assumes the role previously held by Simon Lacey, who has taken on a new position within McLaren Automotive. John will oversee the efficient organisation of the entire aero department. Doug McKiernan continues in his role as Chief Aerodynamicist."
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-news/2...-joins-mclaren/
hunnylander
Jan 21 2010, 09:28
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 21 2010, 00:13)
Are we thinking he may be a Ferrari mole?
Not yet.
But what Tombazis did, it's weird. Engineers/designers come and go, but a "from x to y then soon back to x becoming a boss" is very rare, it seems a successful mission on paper.
Peoples move across between teams but not pingponging between the two big, and especialy the best engineers use to stay for more years at big teams than 1-2 years.
I hope Iley won't do a "Tombazis".
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