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PNSD
Jun 29 2010, 16:02
Currently Britain has been going through a nice little heat-wave smile.gif

However, at my end (Midlands) things are begining to turn a little sour. Winds have picked up, clouds are rolling in, and rain should be with us within 30hours imo...

I reckon we will see rain on either the Friday or the Saturday, but Sunday should be perfect weather for a days racing. mid-to-high 20's ... biggrin.gif
OwenC93
Jun 29 2010, 16:08
QUOTE (PNSD @ Jun 29 2010, 17:02) *
Currently Britain has been going through a nice little heat-wave smile.gif

However, at my end (Midlands) things are begining to turn a little sour. Winds have picked up, clouds are rolling in, and rain should be with us within 30hours imo...

I reckon we will see rain on either the Friday or the Saturday, but Sunday should be perfect weather for a days racing. mid-to-high 20's ... biggrin.gif

Rain through and through I reckon.
syph0nJZ05
Jun 29 2010, 16:13
QUOTE (OwenC93 @ Jun 29 2010, 17:08) *
Rain through and through I reckon.

Well if it gives us another 2008 then I'm all for it tongue.gif .
mclarensmps
Jun 29 2010, 17:12
I'm still wary of the update. It could all go horribly wrong, too. It took Mercedes backwards this weekend (whether it was due to the cars being more difficult to set up or not maximizing the full potential), it's risky business. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, though.
OwenC93
Jun 29 2010, 17:19
Well the new diffusor means longer breaking distances, but you can get on the power earlier, which should compliment our F-Duct.
PNSD
Jun 29 2010, 17:31
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Jun 29 2010, 18:12) *
I'm still wary of the update. It could all go horribly wrong, too. It took Mercedes backwards this weekend (whether it was due to the cars being more difficult to set up or not maximizing the full potential), it's risky business. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, though.


Mercedes went backwards for two reasons, tyres and the fact that they had to alter bodywork due to the heating problems of the new system.

As for Mclaren, yes it could go horribly wrong, but if us armchair expects are correct, then they did use winter testing for a number of validation tests. We all saw the birdcages back in action, persumably to validate and correlate wind tunnel and cfd data.

Other than a front wing which didnt perfom as expected, every update so far has. I fully expect the diffuser to be no different smile.gif
undersquare
Jun 29 2010, 17:40
They're going to do a straight line test, so if they take it to Silverstone at all it must work, to one extent or another.

Plus they must have put it through CFD, water flow testing, windtunnel, simulator. No way to know of course but odds on to deliver I reckon smile.gif .

Anyone know when the straight line test is?
raiseyourfistfor
Jun 29 2010, 17:49
QUOTE (argiriano @ Jun 29 2010, 11:19) *
It didn`t work that way. You can`t translate the speed trough very different circuits. Valancia has just 2 fast corners in last S3. Silverstone is like having 4 times T8 at Turkey in just one lap. Do you remember how fast RBR was trough T8? McLaren need this upgrade. We just got to have faith, it will work as predicted, straight out of the box.


Not true at all.

Anyway I hope its warm in Silverstone so "the 25" could get the maximum use from the tires.
Pharazon
Jun 29 2010, 17:53
QUOTE (OwenC93 @ Jun 29 2010, 18:19) *
Well the new diffusor means longer breaking distances...


what?
TurboF1
Jun 29 2010, 18:15
QUOTE (Pharazon @ Jun 29 2010, 13:53) *
what?



Relax. He doesnt have a clue what he's talking about.
CPR
Jun 29 2010, 18:18
QUOTE (undersquare @ Jun 29 2010, 18:40) *
Anyone know when the straight line test is?


Nope...

But I imagine they'd want a completely dry day. Also, with enough time before the GP so that they can tweak the final designs a bit.


PS A new video is up: http://mclaren.com/home
Jenson and Lewis visit a hanger of previous F1 cars, in particular the legendary MP4/4

I had to LOL when they started talking about driftin' F1 cars.

See also: http://mclaren.com/article/2010/neil-oatle...p44?iframe=true
TurboF1
Jun 29 2010, 18:21
QUOTE (CPR @ Jun 29 2010, 14:18) *
Nope...

But I imagine they'd want a completely dry day. Also, with enough time before the GP so that they can tweak the final designs a bit.


PS A new video is up: http://mclaren.com/home
Jenson and Lewis visit a hanger of previous F1 cars, in particular the legendary MP4/4

I had to LOL when they started talking about driftin' F1 cars.

See also: http://mclaren.com/article/2010/neil-oatle...p44?iframe=true


Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!
phil1993
Jun 29 2010, 18:23
QUOTE (CPR @ Jun 29 2010, 19:18) *
But I imagine they'd want a completely dry day.


Judging by the current weather in the UK, I can't imagine that being much of a problem
OwenC93
Jun 29 2010, 18:25
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 19:15) *
Relax. He doesnt have a clue what he's talking about.

frown.gif

I think it was Kubica that said he has to brake for longer but he can put the power down earlier with the new blown diffusor.
undersquare
Jun 29 2010, 18:49
QUOTE (OwenC93 @ Jun 29 2010, 19:25) *
frown.gif

I think it was Kubica that said he has to brake for longer but he can put the power down earlier with the new blown diffusor.


Sounds credible to me. Gain when the exhaust is blowing, lose a bit of efficiency when it's not. Same principle with the blown rear wing, it loses a bit of d/f in non-blown mode.

Given that the non-blown diffuser is developed to the nth degree for d/f efficiency, any change is bound to have a cost.
Wingnut
Jun 29 2010, 19:14
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 19:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!


up.gif love.gif

That place reminded me of the big warehouse in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
mclarensmps
Jun 29 2010, 19:25
Well... I want to go visit that warehouse now.
Rockets
Jun 29 2010, 19:34
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 18:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!


up.gif kiss.gif
De Jokke
Jun 29 2010, 19:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuQA0xR9-4E

nice one of the old box, we see thing like this not often enough smile.gif
jjcale
Jun 29 2010, 19:56
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 19:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!


I read your post before watching and I still had the same reaction...
jjcale
Jun 29 2010, 19:58
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Jun 29 2010, 18:12) *
I'm still wary of the update. It could all go horribly wrong, too. It took Mercedes backwards this weekend (whether it was due to the cars being more difficult to set up or not maximizing the full potential), it's risky business. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, though.


They didnt do all that testing of the testing methods back in .... er testing ...earlier this year for nothing. It was precisely for this kind of situation so I dont have 100% confidence but I am at about 85% that they will make it work as planned.
bogi
Jun 29 2010, 20:09
QUOTE (CPR @ Jun 29 2010, 20:18) *
Nope...

But I imagine they'd want a completely dry day. Also, with enough time before the GP so that they can tweak the final designs a bit.


PS A new video is up: http://mclaren.com/home
Jenson and Lewis visit a hanger of previous F1 cars, in particular the legendary MP4/4

I had to LOL when they started talking about driftin' F1 cars.

See also: http://mclaren.com/article/2010/neil-oatle...p44?iframe=true



http://i.imagehost.org/0335/mp4-xx.jpg

Someone who did this slide made a mistake, this is not MP4-20.


Looks like MP4-19A
Coral
Jun 29 2010, 20:11
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 19:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!


Oh wow, I just watched this and I had the same reaction. Real lump in the throat stuff that is. Did you see the wistful look on Lewis' face just after he said that...

love.gif McLaren love.gif

ATM_Andy
Jun 29 2010, 20:19
QUOTE (bogi @ Jun 29 2010, 21:09) *
http://i.imagehost.org/0335/mp4-xx.jpg

Someone who did this slide made a mistake, this is not MP4-20.


Looks like MP4-19A


Yes, that's a MP4-19
mclarensmps
Jun 29 2010, 20:29
QUOTE (jjcale @ Jun 29 2010, 15:58) *
They didnt do all that testing of the testing methods back in .... er testing ...earlier this year for nothing. It was precisely for this kind of situation so I dont have 100% confidence but I am at about 85% that they will make it work as planned.


Hey I was one of the advocates of the preseason testing being measurements rather than trouble or a slow car lol.gif. Just that this concept is slightly dangerous, seeing that we already have so many different variations with our exhaust. I hope it works.
Obi Offiah
Jun 29 2010, 20:30
I wonder if there is any chance of hearing the single/joint exhaust Mclarens screaming up the Goodwood hill?
Lights
Jun 29 2010, 20:36
QUOTE (CPR @ Jun 29 2010, 20:18) *
PS A new video is up: http://mclaren.com/home
Jenson and Lewis visit a hanger of previous F1 cars, in particular the legendary MP4/4

Argh, left audio only. mad.gif
Kimiraikkonen
Jun 29 2010, 22:07
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Jun 29 2010, 22:30) *
I wonder if there is any chance of hearing the single/joint exhaust Mclarens screaming up the Goodwood hill?



jajaajaj clap.gif clap.gif another shakedown in Fiorano for marketing?
PurpleSectors
Jun 29 2010, 23:55
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 19:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!


I read that during this series of Top Gear to mark Ayrton's 50th Birthday there is some footage of Lewis driving the MP4/4 which should be particularly special.

Just remembered - was in The Sunday Times in their Top Gear special with executive producer Andy Wilman.

QUOTE
Another film I’m looking forward to is a piece we’ve done marking Ayrton Senna’s 50th birthday. Again, there’s depth in that topic, but I wouldn’t use the word “serious”; I’d use “emotional” and “exciting” — particularly when Lewis Hamilton gets to drive, just for our cameras, Senna’s 1988 McLaren. Hamilton worships Senna, it’s been his lifelong dream to drive a Senna car and when he hits the track it’ll have the hairs dancing on the back of your neck.


I absolutely cannot wait for that.
PassWind
Jun 30 2010, 01:05
Really nice video, liked how they got the Vodaphone aspect into it without making it a blatant advertisement. Awesome banter between the two drivers.

A Question if a McLaren expert fan can tell me, what is the reason for the replacement of Marlboro on all of the cars, I initially thought it was done for that video, then I had another look and all Marlboro sponsored cars had the same treatment.
TurboF1
Jun 30 2010, 01:11
QUOTE (jjcale @ Jun 29 2010, 15:56) *
I read your post before watching and I still had the same reaction...


No other current team has had the pedigree of champions that Mclaren has... except possibly Williams. I gotta tell you, this team has such depth, such history, such heritage. How someone couldn't support McLaren, I can't imagine.
meddo
Jun 30 2010, 07:10
Fantastic ad, just fantastic....
Ron: "Now Lewis, we can go for double or nothing, you win 5 championships and the 4-4 is yours"
wingwalker
Jun 30 2010, 08:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSval75GTq4

Don't know if it's been posted here before, but here's onboard with Button showing his fight with Kubica. Great stuff.
muramasa
Jun 30 2010, 08:35
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 30 2010, 10:11) *
How someone couldn't support McLaren, I can't imagine.


anyone is free to support any team.

Oblivion
Jun 30 2010, 08:41
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 21:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!



No Marlboro logo on cars cry.gif
tifosiMac
Jun 30 2010, 08:59
QUOTE (CPR @ Jun 29 2010, 19:18) *
Nope...

But I imagine they'd want a completely dry day. Also, with enough time before the GP so that they can tweak the final designs a bit.


PS A new video is up: http://mclaren.com/home
Jenson and Lewis visit a hanger of previous F1 cars, in particular the legendary MP4/4

How much I'd love to spend some time in that room..

Great video and really gives the impression of how much respect these guys have for the past legends.. up.gif
Raziel
Jun 30 2010, 09:22
QUOTE (TurboF1 @ Jun 29 2010, 20:21) *
Man. I teared up a bit when Lewis said "This is the actual car HE drove during a race."

You could see the reverence & the respect. It makes you realize just how much heritage McLaren has, And how lucky both drivers are to be in the position they are in. Amazing stuff.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!


To date, no other manufacturer has won the F1 World Championship, the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans 24 Hours.

smile.gif up.gif
bonjon1979
Jun 30 2010, 09:37
QUOTE (wingwalker @ Jun 30 2010, 09:24) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSval75GTq4

Don't know if it's been posted here before, but here's onboard with Button showing his fight with Kubica. Great stuff.


Brilliant by both of them. Can't believe how much later on the brakes Jenson was compared to Webber.
Hypnotise
Jun 30 2010, 09:41
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Jun 30 2010, 09:37) *
from RF1 thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSval75GTq4

I think all want more of things like these;)

one post above you mate smile.gif
MadYarpen
Jun 30 2010, 09:42
QUOTE (Hypnotise @ Jun 30 2010, 11:41) *
one post above you mate smile.gif

fixed;)
bogi
Jun 30 2010, 09:44
QUOTE (Raziel @ Jun 30 2010, 11:22) *
To date, no other manufacturer has won the F1 World Championship, the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans 24 Hours.

smile.gif up.gif



Also they beat prototypes on that LeMans...

http://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/252...s_24_hours.html


edit:

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/01...ail-part-1.aspx

klyster
Jun 30 2010, 10:51
Don't forget they dominated Can-Am for a few years too!!! (it was a while ago)

<<< With that guy and Denny biggrin.gif
Owen
Jun 30 2010, 16:08
QUOTE (PassWind @ Jun 30 2010, 02:05) *
Really nice video, liked how they got the Vodaphone aspect into it without making it a blatant advertisement. Awesome banter between the two drivers.

A Question if a McLaren expert fan can tell me, what is the reason for the replacement of Marlboro on all of the cars, I initially thought it was done for that video, then I had another look and all Marlboro sponsored cars had the same treatment.

It is good. I just caught up with it, it's all my favourite things, Lewis, Senna, McLaren. I would suspect the removal of Marlboro is to do with political correctness and a desire not to be seen promoting or endorsing smoking in any way, and rightly so if you ask me. That and a desire not to promote a certain rival teams main sponsor!
Owen
Jun 30 2010, 16:09
By the way, anyone near a runway in Woking with a camera? wink.gif
CPR
Jun 30 2010, 16:19
QUOTE (Owen @ Jun 30 2010, 17:09) *
By the way, anyone near a runway in Woking with a camera?wink.gif


Isn't the straight line test being done at Silverstone...?
PassWind
Jun 30 2010, 16:22
QUOTE (Owen @ Jun 30 2010, 17:08) *
It is good. I just caught up with it, it's all my favourite things, Lewis, Senna, McLaren. I would suspect the removal of Marlboro is to do with political correctness and a desire not to be seen promoting or endorsing smoking in any way, and rightly so if you ask me. That and a desire not to promote a certain rival teams main sponsor!



I had to have another look, there is one shot at around 1:20-30 where you see a wing with the letters RO, when they take the shot from behind Lewis you see that car and a few others with the cigarette packet shape still on them with no writing on the rear side of the wing. So I suspect there are still a couple in there, but looking at the rest of the cars it would appear they go through a program to be painted for storage and I suppose display purposes. Interesting, well to me anyway.
Owen
Jun 30 2010, 19:40
QUOTE (CPR @ Jun 30 2010, 17:19) *
Isn't the straight line test being done at Silverstone...?

Don't know. Guess we'll find out soon.
Wouter
Jun 30 2010, 21:48
QUOTE (wingwalker @ Jun 30 2010, 10:24) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSval75GTq4

Don't know if it's been posted here before, but here's onboard with Button showing his fight with Kubica. Great stuff.

Great stuff indeed, thanks for posting. Unbelievable driving from Button and Kubica, I wouldn't havr thought that stuff on the bridge was possible (without crashing). Webber really did badly here; he just got swallowed up by the field in those first few corners.
Gareth
Jun 30 2010, 22:02
Loved the latest Mac video up.gif awesome work.

Also love that onboard. Amazing action. Awesome job from both Jenson and Kubica.
alexbiker
Jun 30 2010, 22:32
If you were to show a video to define "hard but fair," that would be it.

Awesome.
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