I say Waow, incredibly neat and sleek.

Hats off

in one word: Awesome

are you serious, great work , looks the most agressive, complex and refined F1 car ive seen in a long time,

If you guys notice, the Mclaren's side view is taken with a Wide Lens Camera
so the car will probably look longer than what really is!
See the rear tyre rims for clue and compare it to the Ferrari side view

Can we please discuss the car and stop discussing each other, if you feel someone is breaking house rules please use the report button.

The "this car is better than this car" discussion in this thread is

Regardless the car doesn't look that radical to me at all. The only thing out of place is the anvil wing and THAT is a piece that will likely appear on many of the cars, the Ferrari included. It's nothing new and also an RBR idea for those with blinders on about teams copying the RB5.

From the rough comparo shots people did it looks like the McLaren has a longer wheelbase than the F10 by just a bit but the F10 is a longer car overall. (They are photos and a flawed we know).

The interesting areas of the cars haven't been exposed yet and those will be the diffusers.

I like the Williams spy shots so far the best, the packaging on that car towards the rear looks very tidy.

Looks great

Let's test it!!!

Very impressed.
A little surprised at the lack of the V-nose, but I guess it's only beneficial if you run a particular aero / suspension configuration?

Sidepods look great, the small openings are impressive and the oblong shape is different if nothing else!
Never been a fan of the 'anvil wings' but as I read it's to do with a novel packaging solution which, I guess, means the rest of the car is smaller and tidier as a result? (One just needs to look at the big fat Ferrari sidepods for reference!)

I hope it's quick

Well , that is an ugly mothaf... if I ever seen one ....

I'm curious how will these long cars do in Monaco

there is speculation that the hole under the air intake, is maybe used to feed the rear diffuser, or atleast an upper element, can you enlighten
also, to me the exhaust outlets look like your launch last year, im quessing a panel will be removed for better exit of hot air or ???
I quess we will know on monday, cant wait. But congrat it looks amazing

Something different, original and aggressive

I hope it's as fast as it is pretty.

not really a mclaren fan, but i hope to see you on the podium grabing the constructors trophee for some races

Predator beast!

If it'll be as fast as aggressive it looks, it'll be the MP4/4 V2.

It's a total beast. You can see that it's just sooooo focused. I'd have paid good money to see Luca's face this morning

Brilliant Job and let's hope it's as fast as it looks

One interesting area, is the front splitter (front shots of the car), Ferrari chose to use mini barge boards where as McLaren are using the same method as the floor.

McLaren has a longer wheelbase, but is a bit shorter than Ferrari., thanks to F10's huge nose.

yes and even more interesting, its something copied from williams last year, and now it seems williams abandoned it for this year

I was thinking that. The lens is distorting the true picture. You see far more of the outer inner wall of the rim on the Macca then you do on the Ferrari which is confusing things a little. However, the height of the rims shouldn't be distorted. Is there a way of using that to calculate the wheelbase?

Cool looking car. It's impossible (for me) to judge how fast it will be, or whether it will beat the Ferrari, etc. The 2004 Ferrari didn't look too special at launch...

Tidbits:

-still a tri-plane front wing. Different endplate details from what the Brawn had and which seems to have inspired Ferrari.

-No 2009 Red Bull/2010 Ferrari nose bulges. I am wondering if those are a toned-down version of the 2007/8 BMW/Honda/etc "Viking horns" or whatever you want to call them. Or if it's a way of getting the central part of the nose as low as the rules permit while meeting the letter of the law at the sides, as was seen in the late '90s McLarens.

-Of minor interest: McLaren uses that checkerboard pattern carbon fiber as the top layer on the Coke-bottle floor section, which much be purely cosmetic, right? I know that in cycling, cosmetic outer layers of carbon usually aren't the lightest, and there has been a trend away from them, sacrificing looks for weight loss. I wonder what the trade-off is here.

-The livery: surprising that it really hasn't changed much at all. I want a orange McLaren, dammit.

Not a bad looking car. It is radical but I have concerns about whether MM can produce a great car for this year. They screwed up royally in 2009. It's impressive that MM have been ambitious but that rear end area looks a bit too busy. Wonder if it could be a problem. This car will either be very quick or problematic. They may have bitten off more than they can chew.

That is unlikey in F1... it must be functional for that part.

Cycles are tubes and different!

I tend to agree.

Awww im so jealous, your car is much better looking than ours

Seriously, that car looks awesome. I never liked those shark fin covers but that one along with the whole rear of the car look

Can somebody elaborate on the "radial' talk? What is so radial?

Andy, how about wind tunnel data, are You all satisfied with it?

According to the quotes of Tim Goss in the press pack, the "sharkfin" element is integrated in the (cooling) packaging of the car. That's not something Ferrari could just bolt on the car without extensive modifications then, just like last year it didn't work to quickly put a DD diffuser on a car not designed to use one from the start.

it's kinda similar to the fin RB used last season, they have just done a good paintjob to integrate it smoothly into the car

i'm 99% sure it's beneficial but i can't remember why

comparsion pics of the 24/25

How do you know Ferrari are not doing something similar? There was talk of a radical engine cover for the F10 that people were expecting to see at the launch, but that didn't happen. So far what I have seen on the cars was "adaptations" to the new regulations, particulary the result of the refueling ban and the DDD, but those adaptations will be seen on all the cars in some sort of fashion.

At the sake of playing a bit of devils advocate, one could argue that so far, the F60s repositioned oil tank is the only true "radical" departure from recent years though even that has been done before.

As for the livery, there is nothing surprising about this because it was announced weeks ago that the basics of the livery would not change. The fifthdriver, IIRC, posted this. Mclaren is still linked to Mercedes for the time being, and the present livery is much nicer than an orange one - especially so with Vodafone as sponsor.

The 2004 Ferrari didn't look special, but then it was mostly the Bridgestones that made the difference, didn't they? It wasn't until that infamous final Imola test, when Bridgestone brought the 2004 canvas and 2004 compounds together, that the Ferrari was flying over the track on its practically bespoke tyres. I don't think the 2005 Ferrari was much worse, it was just that the tyre situation was turned around completely.

Best looking car with the new aero rules so far

Well, it looks like something proper, allright!

I think the Williams looks the best frankly but that's just me.

But then it's only the third car we've seen. And hardly any good images from the Williams! So make it two.

Surprises may still lay ahead. But yes its prettier than the Ferrari.

I am not an not a aerodynamic whizzkid, but the car does certainly look impressive and judging by the statements of those involved, I am expecting it to be really fast and hopefully reliable.
The boys seem to have really gone to work just like MM said. I am impressed that the team were able to produce a bigger car without aerodymich compromises. That will certainly take resources and ingenuity which maybe a tough act to follow by others. Yes, I am extremely hopeful.

I have the feeling that it might just have caught a couple of our competitors off-guard.

I am just a touch curious if the RB car would leave the same impression.

The fact that you asked the question even makes me more postitive.
Well done to you guys.

Because the sharkfin thingy is not on their car - unless they used the trademark McLaren "transparent engine cover".

Sure, they could add a sharkfin, but what cannot be done quickly is changing the internal packaging of the car. It would just be an added bodywork element, not a change in internal layout. Mclaren engineers are claiming the packaging is different and the sharkfin is integral to this approach, hence it can't just be removed from their car.

Wow...looks really slick.

Is this the first time we've seen a shark fin connected to the rear wing? I can't remember any other car using it, but might be wrong.

So far I've liked every new car and livery in the grid, and this one is possibly the best. The car looks mega specially from a side view.

Wow. Just wow! I guess I'm eating my words. I was saying this week that McLaren has been too conservative over the past couple of years; thanks for proving me wrong!

The project surely looks ambitious and "looks" fast, or rather aggressive (which we often mix up with fast, ie. aggressive design =/= fast). However, it still amuses me how people automatically KNOW if the car will be a donkey or a rocketship.

I just can't wait for the 25 to hit the road next Monday!

The RedBull RB5.

RB, Toyota, FI all tried that

See the Red Bull for all of last year...

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/imageBa.../redbullfin.jpg
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/imageBa.../redbullfin.jpg

That's definitely the new nickname for me.

The Predator^TM

IIRC, Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Force India used it.

the Williams looks tidy, this looks bold...like it would either be very fast or break down for lack of reliability, design flaw or something...Im thinking its the former


even the biggest Mclaren haters shouldnt expect that this car will somehow turn out to be underdeveloped or so like the 09 car.

The same concept, but different implementation and perhaps for broader reasons.

What road bike has cosmetic carbon fiber on it?