QUOTE (Burai @ Nov 5 2009, 10:00)
Paffett is a difficult one to pin down.
He left the DTM originally as champion to sign on as McLaren tester with the intention of going to Jean Alesi's McLaren B-team to get F1 experience but when that got shut down and Hamilton proved such a star in GP2 he was left in limbo.
To be honest, I think his chance is gone now. The other Merc teams don't really need him as they don't work as McLaren feeders. But he's doing alright for himself really - He could do a lot worse than McLaren third driver and a works Mercedes DTM drive. Plus all it takes is for Lewis or Kimi to get injured and he's suddenly back in the game.
He's certainly one of those characters, like an Ollie Gavin or a Vincenzo Sospiri, where they do really well on the way up and get so close they can taste it, but we're left to wonder what might have been.
Ah yes that's right he won the DTM championship in a Merc while Alesi and Frentzen trolled around as backmarkers.
crashgate
Nov 5 2009, 11:00
What pictures?
They have a pictures of MP4-25 ??? What???? Where did they got them???
Isnt tha ttop secret????
Modern Lover
Nov 5 2009, 11:05
QUOTE (hsvone @ Nov 5 2009, 20:44)
Yeah what's so special about this guy? I hear him mentioned every year. He can't be that good if he's never raced for McLaren despite being their test driver for donkey's years.
Give Ant a drive!
Anthony Davidson? He is most certainly not a rookie.
I don't follow the youth programs, so do anyone have a good list of contenders from Mclaren or Mercedes youth programs? GP2?
Gilles4Ever
Nov 5 2009, 11:18
The two Mclaren MP25/winter threads have been merged and tidied up.
There is a generic winter thread and there are threads specifically for the other cars/teams, keep your discussions in the relevant threads.
If you do not own the copyright to a pic (you took it) or have written permission to use it rather post the link.
If you have an issue with moderation PM the responsible mod or use the "! REPORT" button, do not take it to the forums.
Thank you for unlocking this topic.
teewoods
Nov 5 2009, 11:51
QUOTE (hsvone @ Nov 5 2009, 09:44)
Yeah what's so special about this guy? I hear him mentioned every year. He can't be that good if he's never raced for McLaren despite being their test driver for donkey's years.
Give Ant a drive!
No, give it to Di Resta
Clatter
Nov 5 2009, 11:52
QUOTE (teewoods @ Nov 5 2009, 11:51)
No, give it to Di Resta
He's likely to be testing for Brawn.
QUOTE (Gilles4Ever @ Nov 5 2009, 12:18)
The two Mclaren MP25/winter threads have been merged and tidied up.
There is a generic winter thread and there are threads specifically for the other cars/teams, keep your discussions in the relevant threads.
If you do not own the copyright to a pic (you took it) or have written permission to use it rather post the link.
If you have an issue with moderation PM the responsible mod or use the "! REPORT" button, do not take it to the forums.
Thanks Gilles4Ever for merging and opening the MP4-25 again
/salute
QUOTE (Gilles4Ever @ Nov 5 2009, 12:18)
The two Mclaren MP25/winter threads have been merged and tidied up.
There is a generic winter thread and there are threads specifically for the other cars/teams, keep your discussions in the relevant threads.
If you do not own the copyright to a pic (you took it) or have written permission to use it rather post the link.
If you have an issue with moderation PM the responsible mod or use the "! REPORT" button, do not take it to the forums.
Thanks guys and will do in future should the need arise.
QUOTE (crashgate @ Nov 5 2009, 12:00)
What pictures?
They have a pictures of MP4-25 ??? What???? Where did they got them???
Isnt tha ttop secret????
Does anyone know what this is about - I haven't a clue!
werks prototype
Nov 5 2009, 12:12
QUOTE (Clatter @ Nov 5 2009, 11:52)
He's likely to be testing for Brawn.
That would be great if it turns out that way. I assumed Di-Resta would get some kind of Force India gig. The kid is class. I hope we don't hear one of those horror stories about how his driving style has been wrecked by exposure to those Merc tin-tops. If that is the case then I guess he wasn't class in the first place. However personally I think he should at least be retained by McLaren with the MP4-25 as part of one of the 'young driver' test day concepts that are being put forward.
werks prototype
Nov 5 2009, 12:14
QUOTE (crashgate @ Nov 5 2009, 11:00)
What pictures?
They have a pictures of MP4-25 ??? What???? Where did they got them???
Isnt tha ttop secret????
QUOTE (femi @ Nov 5 2009, 12:11)
Does anyone know what this is about - I haven't a clue!
Irony I assume.
so when is the McLaren Autosport BRDC award going to be announced
Gilles4Ever
Nov 5 2009, 12:23
Obi Offiah
Nov 5 2009, 19:45
This year we saw Red Bull re-introduce a pull rod rear suspension, a design which hadn't been seen in F1 for 20+ years? It would be interesting to know what types of designs posters would like to see, as well as those they envision may appear on cars in 2010. I would love to see a single exhaust system perhaps even combined with the floor to form a blow diffuser like the 2000 McLaren had. The blow diffuser despite creating more downforce, causes aero imbalances when the throttle is modulated rapidly. The pull rod suspension has deficiencies Red Bull clearly overcame, perhaps the same can be done with the blow diffuser.
Couple of tweets from the Fifth Driver:
"First test of 2010 is in early Feb, yes. However, first of all there's a Young Driver test at Jerez in early December..."
"F1 moves fast: wandered past the carbon shop and the guys are all busy working on MP4-25! Impressive, eh?"
Obi Offiah
Nov 5 2009, 20:16
QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 5 2009, 22:06)
Couple of tweets from the Fifth Driver:
"F1 moves fast: wandered past the carbon shop and the guys are all busy working on MP4-25! Impressive, eh?"
What a tease
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Nov 5 2009, 20:16)
What a tease
At least we aint on the back foot for 2010.
hunnylander
Nov 5 2009, 20:19
I don't expect pull rod rear suspension on the 25. The mechanical concept of the 24 was very good, race wins (Hungary, Singapore) and 'almost' wins (Valencia, Abu Dhabi) proved it, so I expect the continuity of it.
Hot air outlet in the middle of the engine cover a la RBR might appear, though the already traditional asymmetric exhaust system will be kept, but I guess the 25 will have a tighter rear end.
However, first of all there's a Young Driver test at Jerez in early December...Probably December 1-3
The Ragged Edge
Nov 5 2009, 20:28
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Nov 5 2009, 19:45)
This year we saw Red Bull re-introduce a pull rod rear suspension, a design which hadn't been seen in F1 for 20+ years? It would be interesting to know what types of designs posters would like to see, as well as those they envision may appear on cars in 2010. I would love to see a single exhaust system perhaps even combined with the floor to form a blow diffuser like the 2000 McLaren had. The blow diffuser despite creating more downforce, causes aero imbalances when the throttle is modulated rapidly. The pull rod suspension has deficiencies Red Bull clearly overcame, perhaps the same can be done with the blow diffuser.
A Camel is a Horse designed by committee.
TheArmchairCritic
Nov 5 2009, 20:44
I can't wait for the MP4-25. There's a lot of talk of everyone going or the Red Bull route but this year is the First Iteration of the rules, so I suspect McLaren and Ferrari will come through with very individual designs because they now know every area where they can claw back downforce. There will obviously be a few Newey inspired bits and bobs, but IMO with an extra years experience the guys back at Woking will come up with an very individual design.
Anomnader
Nov 5 2009, 20:51
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 20:44)
I can't wait for the MP4-25. There's a lot of talk of everyone going or the Red Bull route but this year is the First Iteration of the rules, so I suspect McLaren and Ferrari will come through with very individual designs because they now know every area where they can claw back downforce. There will obviously be a few Newey inspired bits and bobs, but IMO with an extra years experience the guys back at Woking will come up with an very individual design.
I'm not sure, the excluding the MP4-24 the other cars have being a evolution of Neweys designs. The 1st was the Mp4-24, which had flaws, the MP4-25 will hopefully be able to set the record straight.
undersquare
Nov 5 2009, 20:54
QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 5 2009, 20:45)
I think it could work really well with well-organised nice guy Martin runing the team and Ron at HQ to make the big plays.
TheArmchairCritic
Nov 5 2009, 20:54
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 5 2009, 20:51)
I'm not sure, the excluding the MP4-24 the other cars have being a evolution of Neweys designs. The 1st was the Mp4-24, which had flaws, the MP4-25 will hopefully be able to set the record straight.
Yeah but I've always wondered how Newey couldn't achieve the success McLaren achieved with 'his' design with the clean sheet of paper at Red Bull. IMO that suggests McLaren are amongst the best at developing a static set of Aero Regulations.
Obi Offiah
Nov 5 2009, 20:55
QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 5 2009, 22:45)
I'm waiting to see a McLaren car in a GT race again.
Anomnader
Nov 5 2009, 20:57
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 20:54)
Yeah but I've always wondered how Newey couldn't achieve the success McLaren achieved with 'his' design with the clean sheet of paper at Red Bull. IMO that suggests McLaren are amongst the best at developing a static set of Aero Regulations.
well, neweys problem seemed to be there was no one to reign in his extremes. Brilliant designer, but maybe there should have being someone take his designs and arrange it into something more workable.
TheArmchairCritic
Nov 5 2009, 21:01
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 5 2009, 20:57)
well, neweys problem seemed to be there was no one to reign in his extremes. Brilliant designer, but maybe there should have being someone take his designs and arrange it into something more workable.
Pretty much. I'm so bored and I suspect you guys are as well so here:
http://www.mclaren.com/quiz/quiz.phpDo it when you get some time, no cheating too. Then come back and we'll compare results. I'll get round to doing it this weekend.
Anomnader
Nov 5 2009, 21:03
LOL - I gave up on the first screen.
TheArmchairCritic
Nov 5 2009, 21:05
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 21:01)
Pretty much. I'm so bored and I suspect you guys are as well so here:
http://www.mclaren.com/quiz/quiz.phpDo it when you get some time, no cheating too. Then come back and we'll compare results. I'll get round to doing it this weekend.
Just reposting it for the rest of the Guys. Come on Anomnader give it a go at least!
QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 5 2009, 21:45)
For UK residents only...
Anomnader
Nov 5 2009, 21:17
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 21:05)
Just reposting it for the rest of the Guys. Come on Anomnader give it a go at least!
No cheating, mostly guesses, a very poor 13% -
A good quiz, but more recent general questions be nice
Brawn BGP 001
Nov 5 2009, 21:51
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 21:05)
Just reposting it for the rest of the Guys. Come on Anomnader give it a go at least!
I got Grooved tyres, red starting lights right, pretty poor TBH.
maccaFTW
Nov 5 2009, 21:59
QUOTE (Burai @ Nov 5 2009, 05:00)
The other Merc teams don't really need him as they don't work as McLaren feeders.
I think Force India does, to an extent. Remember, they have a broader technical partnership with McLaren beyond engine supply from Mercedes. While he's not a driver, Simon Roberts did a year as Chief Operating Officer at Force India in what appears to have been a loan role, and he's returning to McLaren next year. As a further indicator of how close the two teams are getting, MW attended the announcement of Roberts' replacement, Otmar Szafnauer.
Force India may not be the feeder team for McLaren now, but I could see it developing into such. There were rumblings that DLR would get a drive with Force India last year, but they elected to stay with Fisi. There have also been rumblings about Sutil being in the picture for the McLaren drive.
If McLaren sign up another young driver soon, don't be surprised to see him at Force India for a year or two.
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 21:05)
Just reposting it for the rest of the Guys. Come on Anomnader give it a go at least!
I did poor too - 40%.
That quiz is hard as hell, especially the first screen. I got 44% but with a LOT of luck and guesswork. I guessed the 1950s top six correctly, what are the odds.
Scotracer
Nov 5 2009, 22:08
OMG I got 33% on Round 1
I was proud to get the paddle-shift one right though
raiseyourfistfor
Nov 6 2009, 00:26
damn 2007 front wings were so much better than the stupid snow plough's we have now
Simon Says
Nov 6 2009, 08:07
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 6 2009, 01:26)
damn 2007 front wings were so much better than the stupid snow plough's we have now
We could have a winter series with those snow plough's
No need to wait untill March for the new season
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 5 2009, 21:01)
Pretty much. I'm so bored and I suspect you guys are as well so here:
http://www.mclaren.com/quiz/quiz.phpDo it when you get some time, no cheating too. Then come back and we'll compare results. I'll get round to doing it this weekend.
QUOTE
Oh dear. You got 20% correct
You correctly answered 6 out of 29 questions.
That was hard, especially the old ones, and who would know all/any of these birthdays...
It was fun to try it though...
rodlamas
Nov 6 2009, 13:40
16 out 29 (55%).
Gotn 80% of the birthdates right though.
raiseyourfistfor
Nov 7 2009, 21:27
I hope Mclaren doesn't use the RB5 nose, its very ugly.
Clatter
Nov 7 2009, 21:31
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 7 2009, 21:27)
I hope Mclaren doesn't use the RB5 nose, its very ugly.
If it's fast then I don't care about the looks.
dabrasco
Nov 7 2009, 21:32
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 7 2009, 22:27)
I hope Mclaren doesn't use the RB5 nose, its very ugly.
If what they got is slower then no hope they use it.... I wont mind the ugliest piece of sht looking nose long as we are dominating races with it
raiseyourfistfor
Nov 7 2009, 21:33
Eh, I hope the car is quick but the fat nose RB5 is so ugly that id rather lose than root for it
superstring
Nov 7 2009, 22:05
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 7 2009, 14:27)
I hope Mclaren doesn't use the RB5 nose, its very ugly.
Visually, the RB5 is by far the most interesting car of the last season. Not "beautiful" but certainly interesting and unique compared to the rest.
Brawn BGP 001
Nov 7 2009, 22:58
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 7 2009, 21:27)
I hope Mclaren doesn't use the RB5 nose, its very ugly.
Ugly, but effective, if it wins a race it will look good.
Anomnader
Nov 7 2009, 23:09
Don't you think we will not see "RB5" noses, but evolutions of it, everyone will look at it but make their own interperations.
Gilles4Ever
Nov 8 2009, 17:19
People, topic is MP4-25, the F1 car!
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