QUOTE (FranDaMan @ Nov 13 2010, 20:43) 
Is there ever any time he isn't 'racy'? He has 1 speed, flat out or nothing at all 
Korea! lol
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Korea! lol
QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 13 2010, 21:32)
Both cars are starting on the supposed slippery side. Is that an issue?
Watched the start of the GP2 race, P2 and P6 got good starts, P2 even lead after the first corner (tho P4 lost like 2 places to P5 and P6)
It`s an advantege to start on the clean side tho not as big as in other circuts.
QUOTE (karlth @ Nov 13 2010, 14:31)
Alonso said during the press conference that Hamilton had tire problems on the super softs when testing race fuel yesterday.
Hamilton changed back to his friday setup. He was under steering too much in p3. I heard the ferraris were the ones with poorer heavy fuel runs and tyre problems.
QUOTE (phil1993 @ Nov 13 2010, 20:52)
One day I'm just expecting to hear: 'LEWIS, STOP MOANING ABOUT THE F***ING TYRES'
exactly, and funny thing is WHEN he complains on the radio u see his sector times and he does his PB or goes quicker -the rants over the radio really confuse me
Is it a way he just trys to psyche himself up????
QUOTE (Mackarel @ Nov 14 2010, 01:14)
Hamilton changed back to his friday setup. He was under steering too much in p3. I heard the ferraris were the ones with poorer heavy fuel runs and tyre problems.
according to Helmut Marko, Ferrari had more tyre wear with heavy fuel than , RBR or McLaren
As a mclaren fan i just miffed with time taken by Team to get on top of his brake locking issue, its taken the last race to find somekind of compromise. The move away from Brembo for jensons car only only shows me that the car and components were good for lewis and the thinking was they should be good for jenson. We saw at Brawn/Honda days Rubens complaining that he cannot drive Jensons preference of brakes and when he changed them to his preference (to brembo if i recall) he found great feel and could find a extra tenth or so. Surely we had Brembos all season except this race????????????
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Nov 14 2010, 11:09)
according to Helmut Marko, Ferrari had more tyre wear with heavy fuel than , RBR or McLaren
from what i heard from AD on BBC on friday and on screen the ferrari had a lot of oversteer but that seemed to of vanished in Fp3 and Qualy so i think they will be fine.
QUOTE (mstar @ Nov 14 2010, 10:07)
exactly, and funny thing is WHEN he complains on the radio u see his sector times and he does his PB or goes quicker -the rants over the radio really confuse me
Is it a way he just trys to psyche himself up????
Is it a way he just trys to psyche himself up????
Keep in mind the radio messages we hear are delayed, they could be a lap or more old. I don't think Hamilton is moaning, more telling the team what the car is doing so they can change strategy / monitor lap times to pace him if need be. I think typically Lewis mentions the tyres, goes easy for half a lap/lap to let the tyres cool and then pushes again.
Most of the time the reaction from the team is quite nonchalant, almost "ok thanks for letting us know" there is never any immediate advice or concern.
QUOTE (mstar @ Nov 14 2010, 13:14)
As a mclaren fan i just miffed with time taken by Team to get on top of his brake locking issue, its taken the last race to find somekind of compromise. The move away from Brembo for jensons car only only shows me that the car and components were good for lewis and the thinking was they should be good for jenson. We saw at Brawn/Honda days Rubens complaining that he cannot drive Jensons preference of brakes and when he changed them to his preference (to brembo if i recall) he found great feel and could find a extra tenth or so. Surely we had Brembos all season except this race????????????
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
McLaren uses Akebono brakes.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Nov 14 2010, 12:28)
McLaren uses Akebono brakes.
moreover they used different brakes in previous years too, not just this year.
QUOTE (mstar @ Nov 14 2010, 11:14)
As a mclaren fan i just miffed with time taken by Team to get on top of his brake locking issue, its taken the last race to find somekind of compromise. The move away from Brembo for jensons car only only shows me that the car and components were good for lewis and the thinking was they should be good for jenson. We saw at Brawn/Honda days Rubens complaining that he cannot drive Jensons preference of brakes and when he changed them to his preference (to brembo if i recall) he found great feel and could find a extra tenth or so. Surely we had Brembos all season except this race????????????
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
he's been using diff. brake material from Lewis for a while now....i think since Turkey
QUOTE (mstar @ Nov 14 2010, 10:14)
As a mclaren fan i just miffed with time taken by Team to get on top of his brake locking issue, its taken the last race to find somekind of compromise. The move away from Brembo for jensons car only only shows me that the car and components were good for lewis and the thinking was they should be good for jenson. We saw at Brawn/Honda days Rubens complaining that he cannot drive Jensons preference of brakes and when he changed them to his preference (to brembo if i recall) he found great feel and could find a extra tenth or so. Surely we had Brembos all season except this race????????????
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
Seems with all the analysis its taken the last race (i am ASSUMING the brake issue has gone????) i stand corrected but its at least other times in the season jenson has complained about the brakes. Jenson just has a fantastic feel for the car and why Jacob (his race enginneer -where the fu** he vanished too?) always said his feedback on the car is top notch, BUT its also his downfall compared to Lewis who is just fast no matter what problem on the car
Button has had at least 3 race engineers this year
QUOTE (Crafty @ Nov 14 2010, 12:06)
Button has had at least 3 race engineers this year
I know
i was quoting from the start of the season, we havn't had any quotes/interviews with jensons other race engineers
QUOTE (Crafty @ Nov 14 2010, 11:06)
Button has had at least 3 race engineers this year
He's had Dave Robson since April, can't be such a huge problem it seems to me.
Thinking about this number of 5 that's been reported, I guess he has to have had a couple of different data engineers as well though.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Nov 14 2010, 12:28)
McLaren uses Akebono brakes.
I thought it was Hitco. When did they move away from them? In the early 2000's they sometimes went back and forth between Hitco and Brembo.
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Nov 13 2010, 17:42)
I hope he gets P1 & drives away in the sunset
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/...54&b=343168
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/...54&b=343168
Some good news to the fist corner. James Allen on Twitter:
"...Watch for cars starting on "dirty" side. In GP2 yesterday they've were quick off the line...."
http://twitter.com/Jamesallenonf1/statuses/3766532345700354
Hm, well isn't that a coincidence.
QUOTE (undersquare @ Nov 14 2010, 12:19)
He's had Dave Robson since April, can't be such a huge problem it seems to me.
April? Jacob was still there in Istanbul. Since Montreal in June, it's Dave Robson IIRC.
I really don't understand, mac don't have LT on their wall?
Awful performance ...
Awful performance ...
Great pace guys but too late in the season. We need to polish the strategy some more. Even if we wins the race, Alonso and Vettel would still get their points. Good bye MP4-25.
So which one of you guys are going to post the MP4-25's obituary? 
mixed feelings...if strategy guys did their job and Hamilton got the victory, Alonso would have been champion.
congrats to Vettel, we will get them next year.
congrats to Vettel, we will get them next year.
QUOTE (bauss @ Nov 14 2010, 16:54)
mixed feelings...if strategy guys did their job and Hamilton got the victory, Alonso would have been champion.
congrats to Vettel, we will get them next year.
congrats to Vettel, we will get them next year.
I can live with this
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So, quick points round up, if Lewis hadn't had those two recent DNF would lewis have won the WDC?
QUOTE (bauss @ Nov 14 2010, 14:54)
mixed feelings...if strategy guys did their job and Hamilton got the victory, Alonso would have been champion.
congrats to Vettel, we will get them next year.
congrats to Vettel, we will get them next year.
Didn't see the times but the pit stop looked slower too, have not been impressed with our stops this year
So, quick points round up, if Lewis hadn't had those two recent DNF would lewis have won the WDC?
McLarens think tank also breaks trade descriptions act.
McLarens think tank also breaks trade descriptions act.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 14 2010, 15:57)
So, quick points round up, if Lewis hadn't had those two recent DNF would lewis have won the WDC?
Yep, but the same could be said about Vettel's dnf in korea.
Next year we need to make this thread the "McLaren Team Thread" so we don't get in trouble for talking about the race.
Best possible result for me. Would have hated to see Alonso take another championship.
At least McLaren are 2nd in the WCC and we were right up there until the last race.
New found pace is something that gives hope for next year. Too bad it came that late.
Thanks McLaren for an awesome season. Regroup and come out stronger next year
At least McLaren are 2nd in the WCC and we were right up there until the last race.
New found pace is something that gives hope for next year. Too bad it came that late.
Thanks McLaren for an awesome season. Regroup and come out stronger next year
QUOTE (MP4-25 @ Nov 14 2010, 14:59)
Next year we need to make this thread the "McLaren Team Thread" so we don't get in trouble for talking about the race.
We should pettion for a sub forum lol
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 14 2010, 09:00)
We should pettion for a sub forum lol
Haha. They would do it just so they don't have to watch us constantly.
Good luck next season.
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 14 2010, 15:59)
Best possible result for me. Would have hated to see Alonso take another championship.
At least McLaren are 2nd in the WCC and we were right up there until the last race.
New found pace is something that gives hope for next year. Too bad it came that late.
Thanks McLaren for an awesome season. Regroup and come out stronger next year
At least McLaren are 2nd in the WCC and we were right up there until the last race.
New found pace is something that gives hope for next year. Too bad it came that late.
Thanks McLaren for an awesome season. Regroup and come out stronger next year
As Button showed, staying out would not have been any better... Kubica's tyres were getting better and better. Whilst Lewis was in 2nd behind Vettel he was no quicker than Button so it's impossible to say staying out would have been better.
In reality Mclaren's car was only quick enough for 2nd imo.
Both guys did a great job, and have done this year.
Looking forward to the mp4-26!
In reality Mclaren's car was only quick enough for 2nd imo.
Both guys did a great job, and have done this year.
Looking forward to the mp4-26!
Good effort this season , hoping they have learn't their lesson this season & also from last season.
Hope fully they build a car that is good Mechanicaly , Handles bumps in right way , has good traction and high speed & low speed corner performance & is reliable.
Hoping & praying to god now they don't just chase after just getting the mechanical pat of the MP4-26 car right which was fu***d up with MP4-25 in comparison to competition this year and don't forget to concentrate on other remaining bits mentioned above.
Hope Jenson & Lewis can drive the team to design a better car next year.
Disappointed with the team - yes , BUT STILL A PROUD McLaren Fan.
May force be with you next year.
Hope fully they build a car that is good Mechanicaly , Handles bumps in right way , has good traction and high speed & low speed corner performance & is reliable.
Hoping & praying to god now they don't just chase after just getting the mechanical pat of the MP4-26 car right which was fu***d up with MP4-25 in comparison to competition this year and don't forget to concentrate on other remaining bits mentioned above.
Hope Jenson & Lewis can drive the team to design a better car next year.
Disappointed with the team - yes , BUT STILL A PROUD McLaren Fan.
May force be with you next year.
Great result, Alonso fails to secure another WDC and next season we can get Hamilton to win the WDC and match Alonso's record.... Very important result!
QUOTE (Lights @ Nov 14 2010, 11:48)
April? Jacob was still there in Istanbul. Since Montreal in June, it's Dave Robson IIRC.
Oh, yes, you're right.
Just not sure why it's just re-emerged as an issue, anyway. Not ideal, but not decisive either I wouldn't have thought.
I think the 25' ended in style, shame we couldn't win Vettel was just faster.
I'm sure McLaren have learn't alot about the effectiveness of design philosophy of their car this year. Hopefully they can combine the best aspects of the MP4-24 & MP4-25 while developing the MP4-26. So, to the MP4-25, I bid you adieu .
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What a relief. At least the right team won the WDC. McLaren really didn't deserve it with all the mistakes they made throughout the season. I'm very disappointed that most of the Lewis era will happen under the rule of Whitmarsh who is a bottom 3 team manager.
QUOTE (MP4-25 @ Nov 14 2010, 20:29)
Next year we need to make this thread the "McLaren Team Thread" so we don't get in trouble for talking about the race.
+1
That would be worth having as we have seen this year that almost every thing related Mclaren F1 operations in general comes into discussion.
Good ending to the season - bring on 2011 with a great car that takes the best of the 24 and the 25.
QUOTE (teejay @ Nov 14 2010, 16:17)
Good ending to the season - bring on 2011 with a great car that takes the best of the 24 and the 25 and RedBull.
Fixxed.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 14 2010, 14:57)
So, quick points round up, if Lewis hadn't had those two recent DNF would lewis have won the WDC?
Only if Webber hadn't done Korea and Valencia, Alonso hadn't done Silverstone and Spa, and Vettel hadn't done Turkey and Spa...
Red Bull and Ferrari's under utilisation of better cars flattered Macca a bit this season (and covered up a surprising and persistent lack of traction in medium and slow speed corners) .... hopefully next year they can be genuinely competitive and not have to rely on luck and the incompetence of others on raceday.
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 14 2010, 15:59)
Best possible result for me. Would have hated to see Alonso take another championship.
At least McLaren are 2nd in the WCC and we were right up there until the last race.
New found pace is something that gives hope for next year. Too bad it came that late.
Thanks McLaren for an awesome season. Regroup and come out stronger next year
At least McLaren are 2nd in the WCC and we were right up there until the last race.
New found pace is something that gives hope for next year. Too bad it came that late.
Thanks McLaren for an awesome season. Regroup and come out stronger next year
Nice avatar there
QUOTE (jjcale @ Nov 14 2010, 15:22)
Red Bull and Ferrari's under utilisation of better cars flattered Macca a bit this season (and covered up a surprising and persistent lack of traction in medium and slow speed corners) .... hopefully next year they can be genuinely competitive and not have to rely on luck and the incompetence of others on raceday.
Bring on testing!
Congrats Mclaren, Lewis, Jenson. It was a better season than i would have thought. The mp4-25 wasnt the same as rb6 but still, a good, sound car.
rather seb win than webber or alonso
seb deserved it seeing as how much bad luck he has had this season- around the same amount as lewis!
imo only lewis and seb wud have deserved the wdc and if they hadnt had their bad luck they would have been heads and toes above the rest in the points standings.
i must take this opportunity to congratulate lewis even more for without his bad luck he would have been right up their with vettle in a much slower car!
Lets move onto next year, if mclaren can have a competitive car from the beginning of next year then we would be looking VERY strong with lewis!
WELL DONE FOR THIS YEAR GUYS, ENJOY THESE MOMENTS RBR COZZ NEXT YEAR IS OURS!!!!!
seb deserved it seeing as how much bad luck he has had this season- around the same amount as lewis!
imo only lewis and seb wud have deserved the wdc and if they hadnt had their bad luck they would have been heads and toes above the rest in the points standings.
i must take this opportunity to congratulate lewis even more for without his bad luck he would have been right up their with vettle in a much slower car!
Lets move onto next year, if mclaren can have a competitive car from the beginning of next year then we would be looking VERY strong with lewis!
WELL DONE FOR THIS YEAR GUYS, ENJOY THESE MOMENTS RBR COZZ NEXT YEAR IS OURS!!!!!
Second place in WCC. Well done
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