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LOOOOOOOOOL!
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Hahahahaha Alx09 those pictures were classic and a briliant idea thankyou! hahaha
To quote Martin Whitmarsh "There are a number of things on this car that I have never seen on a Formula One car so I find that heartening"
Me too!
Me too!
I like the new McLaren, think it looks the goods. 
Reckon Hamilton will be dynamite racing it....not sure about Button though. Just have this feeling that Lewis might really wipe the floor with Jense.
After all, would McLaren themselves really have it any other way?
Reckon Hamilton will be dynamite racing it....not sure about Button though. Just have this feeling that Lewis might really wipe the floor with Jense.
After all, would McLaren themselves really have it any other way?
I've been reading this board for years but have only just joined so glad to be able to make my first proper post to say that the new car looks fantastic.
If it's as fast as it looks then we are all in for a comfortable season.
If it's as fast as it looks then we are all in for a comfortable season.
QUOTE (Les @ Jan 30 2010, 00:27)
Wonder if someone on the grid next year builds a car that has a higher fuel tank (i.e. taller car) instead of a longer wheelbase? Wonder how they will get round the casino hairpin?
Building a taller car will increase drag far more than adding a few inches to the overall length will.
So i think it is highly unlikely that anyone will go that route.
Interesting comparisons between mp4-25 and F10
QUOTE (Raziel @ Jan 30 2010, 11:43)
Interesting comparisons between mp4-25 and F10
Interesting indeed. Mclaren are going to lack downforce again this year?
@Axl09
QUOTE (Simon Says @ Jan 30 2010, 11:46)
Interesting indeed. Mclaren are going to lack downforce again this year?
Nah - different lens used.
I was looking at the pictures and Jenson looks much better compared to last year? Mclaren always make sure their drivers groom themself and look their best. Lucky for Nick Heidfeld that he didn't get signed
I hate these comparation pictures. The last one tries to show how small the sidepods of the MP4/25 are. It could be tru but if you pay particulat attention to the different size of the rear wings you can see that the shots of the two cars were not made in the same way...
Another thing that makes me annoyed is that some people think that McLaren will be dominated only because of the "futuristic" form of the sidepods and shark fin engine cover. I do not want to say that they will not be strong but it's not all about the design you can see. If it had been the task Renault woul have been the champion last year.
Another thing that makes me annoyed is that some people think that McLaren will be dominated only because of the "futuristic" form of the sidepods and shark fin engine cover. I do not want to say that they will not be strong but it's not all about the design you can see. If it had been the task Renault woul have been the champion last year.
Alx09
QUOTE (Simon Says @ Jan 30 2010, 13:46)
Interesting indeed. Mclaren are going to lack downforce again this year?
What leads you to that question? Smaller sidepods are good thing.
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 29 2010, 15:35)
Ferrari alarmed
I think have had a look at Mclaren's car, Ferrari are sounding a bit worried and are laying the grounds for protest - lol
I think have had a look at Mclaren's car, Ferrari are sounding a bit worried and are laying the grounds for protest - lol
How fast will Ferrari copy Mclaren their ideas on the cars
According to James Allen's blog, Ferrari is "amused" about the b-spec rumours so don't read too much into it yet.
QUOTE (Simon Says @ Jan 30 2010, 11:46)
Interesting indeed. Mclaren are going to lack downforce again this year?
actually smaller sidepods bod for the opposite, but its not certain if this really is the case...
with that being said, ive analyzed a number of pics of both cars and it does seem the Mclaren has smaller sidepods. One thing that looks sure though is that the Mclaren car has a tighter backend. I think the car might be good aerodynamically, if its any good mechanically is the big question, with its wheelbase and so...
cant wait for testing to start....so we can speculate with a bit more information
QUOTE (Wouter @ Jan 30 2010, 12:21)
According to James Allen's blog, Ferrari is "amused" about the b-spec rumours so don't read too much into it yet.
Could you give a link? I have searched for it but it failed to find.
QUOTE (Wouter @ Jan 30 2010, 13:21)
According to James Allen's blog, Ferrari is "amused" about the b-spec rumours so don't read too much into it yet.
McLaren in 2009 was also "amused" about lack of downforce at the rear of the car
QUOTE (Kevin Taylor @ Jan 30 2010, 11:00)
Another thing that makes me annoyed is that some people think that McLaren will be dominated only because of the "futuristic" form of the sidepods and shark fin engine cover. I do not want to say that they will not be strong but it's not all about the design you can see. If it had been the task Renault woul have been the champion last year.
What are you talking about, the Renault looked as aerodynamically sound as a barn door tied to a skip, nobody thought it was going to be fast.
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ Jan 30 2010, 11:27)
What are you talking about, the Renault looked as aerodynamically sound as a barn door tied to a skip, nobody thought it was going to be fast.
Haha, I dont think a description could be more perfect!
QUOTE (Kevin Taylor @ Jan 30 2010, 12:24)
Could you give a link? I have searched for it but it failed to find.
Kar posted it in the Ferrari thread, though without a link. It's in the comment section, I suppose:
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James,
Any work on the Ferrari F10B rumours?? Seems like Mclaren have pushed it to the limi in DDD and Ferrari have been conservative!…
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James Allen Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Ferrari find the rumours amusing.
Any work on the Ferrari F10B rumours?? Seems like Mclaren have pushed it to the limi in DDD and Ferrari have been conservative!…
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James Allen Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Ferrari find the rumours amusing.
Having said that, SNiko's point that Mclaren was "amused" about the lack of downforce on the MP4/24 is also true. We don't know if this is a standard corporate "deny, deny" answer or if they really mean it.
QUOTE (SNiko @ Jan 30 2010, 11:25)
McLaren in 2009 was also "amused" about lack of downforce at the rear of the car
and that they'd be winning races. Nothing is certain until testing which thankfully is next week
QUOTE (Kevin Taylor @ Jan 30 2010, 09:00)
Another thing that makes me annoyed is that some people think that McLaren will be dominated only because of the "futuristic" form of the sidepods and shark fin engine cover. I do not want to say that they will not be strong but it's not all about the design you can see. If it had been the task Renault woul have been the champion last year.
I think the main point here is Ferrari alledged stopping the development of their 2009 contender in June to focus on the 2010 car with aggressive development and radical changes.
Meanwhile McLaren kept pushing the development of the Silver Donkey till the last race, eventhough the 2010 Maca lettal weapon is visible more innovative.
IMO, that's the striking difference.
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Jan 30 2010, 12:33)
I think the main point here is Ferrari aledge stop developing the their 2009 contender in June to focus on the 2010 car with aggressive development and radical changes.
Meanwhile McLaren kept pushing the development of the Silver Donkey till the last race, even though the Maca weapon is visible more innovative.
IMO, that the striking difference.
Meanwhile McLaren kept pushing the development of the Silver Donkey till the last race, even though the Maca weapon is visible more innovative.
IMO, that the striking difference.
Finally good answer!
I like very much autosport.com but it seems you McLaren-fans have only one goal in this thread: to prove that McLaren succeeded to product a fantastic car and to show what a misbirth Ferrati are. I can olny repeat myself: it's not all about how many visible changes a car has and how futuristic they are.
It was the same a year ago, two years ago etc. I remember that many of you said in 2008 that Ferrari has not changed anything on their car (and McLaren has produced a super car) and finally F2008 proved to be the best car in that year.
It was the same a year ago, two years ago etc. I remember that many of you said in 2008 that Ferrari has not changed anything on their car (and McLaren has produced a super car) and finally F2008 proved to be the best car in that year.
QUOTE (Kevin Taylor @ Jan 30 2010, 12:41)
I like very much autosport.com but it seems you McLaren-fans have only one goal in this thread: to prove that McLaren succeeded to product a fantastic car and to show what a misbirth Ferrati are. I can olny repeat myself: it's not all about how many visible changes a car has and how futuristic they are.
It was the same a year ago, two years ago etc. I remember that many of you said in 2008 that Ferrari has not changed anything on their car (and McLaren has produced a super car) and finally F2008 proved to be the best car in that year.
It was the same a year ago, two years ago etc. I remember that many of you said in 2008 that Ferrari has not changed anything on their car (and McLaren has produced a super car) and finally F2008 proved to be the best car in that year.
b4 u remembered 09, now u remember 08
Ferrari was fastest in testing all times ... Trulli even predicted b4 the start that WDC was btw Ferrari and Ferrari
now what did Mclaren fans allegedly say in 07?
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 30 2010, 12:22)
actually smaller sidepods bod for the opposite, but its not certain if this really is the case...
with that being said, ive analyzed a number of pics of both cars and it does seem the Mclaren has smaller sidepods. One thing that looks sure though is that the Mclaren car has a tighter backend. I think the car might be good aerodynamically, if its any good mechanically is the big question, with its wheelbase and so...
cant wait for testing to start....so we can speculate with a bit more information
with that being said, ive analyzed a number of pics of both cars and it does seem the Mclaren has smaller sidepods. One thing that looks sure though is that the Mclaren car has a tighter backend. I think the car might be good aerodynamically, if its any good mechanically is the big question, with its wheelbase and so...
cant wait for testing to start....so we can speculate with a bit more information
Indeed. I think it has to be borne in mind that tyre degradation will be a consideration so a balance will need to be struck.
Let the testings come during and after which I expect to see quite a few changes from the launched versions before hitting the track in Bahrain.
I am not one to judge by looks, but this MP425, looks very masculine, a beast like something that can throw its weight around. It looks pretty radical and infact though i never liked the shark fin, it looks just like a fusion , a continuity of curvature and not something just bolted onto it. Iam impressed, just hope it will be fast as it looks
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Jan 30 2010, 12:33)
I think the main point here is Ferrari alledged stopping the development of their 2009 contender in June to focus on the 2010 car with aggressive development and radical changes.
Meanwhile McLaren kept pushing the development of the Silver Donkey till the last race, eventhough the 2010 Maca lettal weapon is visible more innovative.
IMO, that's the striking difference.
Meanwhile McLaren kept pushing the development of the Silver Donkey till the last race, eventhough the 2010 Maca lettal weapon is visible more innovative.
IMO, that's the striking difference.
I will actually contend that Ferrari began their development later than Mclaren. Mclaren kept developing the 2009 and using the valuable track time testing solutions for the 2010 car till the very end. A luxury that Ferrari approach less allowed if at all and the experience Mclaren gained would go into tested solutions for the 2010 car hence the apparent maturity of the 2010 Mclaren over the rival Ferrari car.
I seriously think Mclaren have a leg up on the reds going into the new season but the taste of the pudding is in the eating; we will see...
Sidepods comparison of F10 and MP4-25 (yellow for Ferrari, blue for Mac) show once again very different packaging. Which one is better solution we will barely going to see in testing, or even in first couple of races. For now we just may point the differences.
http://clubs1.bg/forums/uploads/1261851680...59_265_8207.jpg
http://clubs1.bg/forums/uploads/1261851680...59_265_8207.jpg
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 30 2010, 12:05)
I will actually contend that Ferrari began their development later than Mclaren. Mclaren kept developing the 2009 and using the valuable track time testing solutions for the 2010 car till the very end. A luxury that Ferrari approach less allowed if at all and the experience Mclaren gained would go into tested solutions for the 2010 car hence the apparent maturity of the 2010 Mclaren over the rival Ferrari car.
I seriously think Mclaren have a leg up on the reds going into the new season but the taste of the pudding is in the eating; we will see...
I seriously think Mclaren have a leg up on the reds going into the new season but the taste of the pudding is in the eating; we will see...
I completely agree. I think that this particular McLaren has been in continuous development since Europe 09. McLaren effectively used the latter part of the season to test and develop. In this sense, the relative success of the 24 toward the end of last season provided the team with something tangible in terms of results, but it was always going to come down to whether or not it was right or wrong to cease development of the fundamentals mid-season. Tenacious development programs often lead to 'discovery' I am sure if there was nothing cooking at McLaren they to would have wiped the slate clean. Thankfully they didn't. I wonder what they have cooked up?
Don´t forget that BMW also stopped their development in 2008 and we know the result of that in 2009.
QUOTE (Les @ Jan 30 2010, 00:27)
Wonder how they will get round the casino hairpin?
Shorter wheelbase version for Monaco?
Used to be quite common in the old days. Fuel consumption should be lower than on the power circuits.
Will Mac be keeping the silver rims? Or was it just used for the launch?
QUOTE (Raziel @ Jan 30 2010, 13:49)
Don´t forget that BMW also stopped their development in 2008 and we know the result of that in 2009.
BMW's decision was more understandable because there were significant rule changes between 2008 and 2009. Honda (Brawns) stopped development as well in 2008 and we all know that paid off.
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 30 2010, 14:12)
BMW's decision was more understandable because there were significant rule changes between 2008 and 2009. Honda (Brawns) stopped development as well in 2008 and we all know that paid off.
Last year's Brawn had far more money, time and effort spent on it though than any other car. I won't be surprised if Mercedes isn't up there.
ok i have a question, last years DDD, was they not legal because none of them exceeded the allowed height, ok some of them explored a loophole that made it possible to make the central channel higher with the help of innovatiove solutions to the rear crash structure. Nevertheless none of the exceeded the allowed height. Now if we look at this picture, Mclarens sec channel is a lot higher.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 30 2010, 16:06)
ok i have a question, last years DDD, was they not legal because none of them exceeded the allowed height, ok some of them explored a loophole that made it possible to make the central channel higher with the help of innovatiove solutions to the rear crash structure. Nevertheless none of the exceeded the allowed height. Now if we look at this picture, Mclarens sec channel is a lot higher.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg
What is the reference point for the height measurement? Anyway, I think if Mclaren implemented this solution, it must be legal.
I have already asked about this, cause this channel is above crash structure:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2665/mcldiff.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2665/mcldiff.jpg
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Jan 30 2010, 15:27)
I have already asked about this, cause this channel is above crash structure:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2665/mcldiff.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2665/mcldiff.jpg
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 30 2010, 15:06)
ok i have a question, last years DDD, was they not legal because none of them exceeded the allowed height, ok some of them explored a loophole that made it possible to make the central channel higher with the help of innovatiove solutions to the rear crash structure. Nevertheless none of the exceeded the allowed height. Now if we look at this picture, Mclarens sec channel is a lot higher.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg
That isn't a channel. If you zoom in to the super high rez shots of the rear you can see that it is just a temporary cover. I speculate that air is also going to be channelled down from the split in the sharkfin, with the sharkfin acting as a kind of umbrella. Just a hunch. I have been all over those pics!
but you can see the channel here going all the way up to the beamwing or almost, that is not a cover i think, but yes mclaren must have asked fia so,
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/263/90206262.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/263/90206262.jpg
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 30 2010, 15:34)
but you can see the channel here going all the way up to the beamwing or almost, that is not a cover i think, but yes mclaren must have asked fia so,
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/263/90206262.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/263/90206262.jpg
Yes, that's the picture I'm talking about. It just looks like a cover to me. Different material, not one piece etc. They are hiding something. There is more to that sharkfin than they are letting on.
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 30 2010, 15:06)
ok i have a question, last years DDD, was they not legal because none of them exceeded the allowed height, ok some of them explored a loophole that made it possible to make the central channel higher with the help of innovatiove solutions to the rear crash structure. Nevertheless none of the exceeded the allowed height. Now if we look at this picture, Mclarens sec channel is a lot higher.
<a href="http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg" target="_blank">http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg</a>
<a href="http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg" target="_blank">http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5788/56385319.jpg</a>
this isnt the DDD channel, the channel you see in the above top down zoom shot aswell is infact from the Sharkfin, it runs through the engine cover and out the back. its cooling solution they wenty with which makes the MP4-25 Shark Fin far more impressive than the clip on ones from previous years. This shark fin is fully integrated into the design with parts being housed in the sharkfin area and hence the need for the duct at the other end so that these parts can be cooled sufficiently.
this is ofcourse as being theorised previously in the thread.
the diffuser is undereneath and behind the panel 'no photographs please'
A bit curious about the bulges in the engine covers, not smooth streamlined like other cars, I'm surprised this is aero advantage.
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Jan 30 2010, 18:27)
I have already asked about this, cause this channel is above crash structure:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2665/mcldiff.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2665/mcldiff.jpg
And?
2) Toyota have an additional diffuser aft of the main diffuser (shown in blue). This sits in a 150mm wide area that is intended for the rear crash structure and rear wing mounts. The same area has been exploited in recent years with small winglets mounted atop the rear crash structure.
Although the rules demand no bodywork above 175mm, this only applies to the area between the rear axle line and point 350mm behind it: article 3.10.4 creates a void between 350mm and 500mm behind the axle.
This extra 150mm x 150mm area can be up to 400mm high, some 225mm taller than intended for the diffuser, and it is this area that Toyota have taken advantage of. Again the taller exit creates more potential for downforce.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73083
If you go on to tailpipes blog there is an absolutely cracking angled shot of the whole rear assembly looking back through the rear wing. You can see all sorts of wonderful machinations coming from that deadly looking sharkfin.
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Jan 30 2010, 16:44)
If you go on to tailpipes blog there is an absolutely cracking angled shot of the whole rear assembly looking back through the rear wing. You can see all sorts of wonderful machinations coming from that deadly looking sharkfin.
Do you have a link please?
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Jan 30 2010, 18:44)
If you go on to tailpipes blog there is an absolutely cracking angled shot of the whole rear assembly looking back through the rear wing. You can see all sorts of wonderful machinations coming from that deadly looking sharkfin.
This one?
http://f1tailpipe.com/wp-content/uploads/2...ear-Quarter.jpg
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Jan 30 2010, 15:44)
If you go on to tailpipes blog there is an absolutely cracking angled shot of the whole rear assembly looking back through the rear wing. You can see all sorts of wonderful machinations coming from that deadly looking sharkfin.
yeh, theres some extremely good pictures.
love the shot of the rear suspension, that rear section just looks superb.
im expecting something special out of the car, but even if it isnt the fastest come bahrain im still happy they tried to be creative and not cookie cutter, this is after all a sport where yyou should be allowed to get creative with your car.
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