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I prefered the white and red until someone mentioned Toyota.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 25 2009, 00:18) 
I prefered the white and red until someone mentioned Toyota.
Do we think Mclaren are going to spot a new livery next season?
QUOTE (femi @ Nov 24 2009, 23:22)
Do we think Mclaren are going to spot a new livery next season?
They've already said not.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a change, whether its white, red or orange I don't know.
McLaren are about to enter a whole new era, it'd be nice to leave the trappings of the past behind.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 25 2009, 00:30)
They've already said not.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a change, whether its white, red or orange I don't know.
McLaren are about to enter a whole new era, it'd be nice to leave the trappings of the past behind.
Personally, I wouldn't mind a change, whether its white, red or orange I don't know.
McLaren are about to enter a whole new era, it'd be nice to leave the trappings of the past behind.
I agree but I think we are going to wait till 2012 for that to happen...yes I know...too far away, but time flies.
Yup, not earlier than 2012, they will use silver "Mercedes" livery until then imo.
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 24 2009, 22:52)
Now replace the orange with silver and we're getting somewhere.
stunning, absalutely stunning. that should be our livery.
edit: or even have the vodafone writing and icon in red but leave the rest black and silver anyone can do that?
edit: or even have the vodafone writing and icon in red but leave the rest black and silver anyone can do that?
QUOTE (feynman @ Nov 25 2009, 12:52)
Fabulous looking livery but it won't happen as long as Vodafone is the prime sponsor. I never like the Orange livery - too wimpish.
QUOTE (kids like ash @ Nov 25 2009, 07:33)
stunning, absalutely stunning. that should be our livery.
edit: or even have the vodafone writing and icon in red but leave the rest black and silver anyone can do that?
edit: or even have the vodafone writing and icon in red but leave the rest black and silver anyone can do that?
shame McLaren would have to be copying Mercedes livery
Renault engine seems to be most fuel efficient in F1
I didn't see the evidence that Renault engine was that efficient over the Merc. Weren't the Red Bulls and Renault cars coming in for refuelling at the predicted laps?
And if they were using Mclaren as a reference, I hope they took into account KERS as its use will increase fuel consumption. Besides, if the Renault engine was so great, why do RB want the Merc for next year?
I didn't see the evidence that Renault engine was that efficient over the Merc. Weren't the Red Bulls and Renault cars coming in for refuelling at the predicted laps?
And if they were using Mclaren as a reference, I hope they took into account KERS as its use will increase fuel consumption. Besides, if the Renault engine was so great, why do RB want the Merc for next year?
QUOTE (feynman @ Nov 25 2009, 08:22)
Nice, I wouldn't mind that scheme
QUOTE (feynman @ Nov 25 2009, 05:22)
That's what i'm talking about.
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Nov 27 2009, 00:59)
That's what i'm talking about.
perfection.....
Jenson Button: My first experience of F1:
"It was on the National Circuit at Silverstone and the track was damp. Coming onto the back straight for the first time I floored it and went up through the gears. It was amazing to experience that much power, but the main thing I remember is the blue light on the dashboard, which meant the radio was on. The team could hear me shouting into my helmet!
I did a 10-lap run on wet tyres and going through Copse at such a high speed in the damp blew my mind. The team then asked if I wanted to go back out and I said no; I thought there was no point because the tyres were destroyed and they weren't about to give me a new set. So we called it a day."
And the car? this one.
"It was on the National Circuit at Silverstone and the track was damp. Coming onto the back straight for the first time I floored it and went up through the gears. It was amazing to experience that much power, but the main thing I remember is the blue light on the dashboard, which meant the radio was on. The team could hear me shouting into my helmet!
I did a 10-lap run on wet tyres and going through Copse at such a high speed in the damp blew my mind. The team then asked if I wanted to go back out and I said no; I thought there was no point because the tyres were destroyed and they weren't about to give me a new set. So we called it a day."
And the car? this one.
didn't prost give him his first f1 test?
The main color on new McL will not be silver, as that will be reserved for Merc, but black!
QUOTE (Boing 2 @ Nov 27 2009, 11:11)
didn't prost give him his first f1 test?
November McLaren, December Prost, January Williams.
QUOTE (Boing 2 @ Nov 27 2009, 11:11)
didn't prost give him his first f1 test?
I wouldn't call the McLaren run a proper test. It was just a quick run as a prize for winning the McLaren Autosport BRDC award.
This might be a bit off-topic and a load of BS but Mr Celso Itibere reported onhis weekly article yesterday that the real reason Mercedes went after Brawn and are now just a supplier to Mclaren is because they discovered the drawings of a Mclaren V8 engine circulating through Paragon.
That engine would have its components manufactured by Mahle and would be ready to start running on the dyno as early as August 2010
That engine would have its components manufactured by Mahle and would be ready to start running on the dyno as early as August 2010
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 27 2009, 11:22)
I wouldn't call the McLaren run a proper test. It was just a quick run as a prize for winning the McLaren Autosport BRDC award.
yer it was just a quick bash of what a f1 car is. the prost test was a real test.
the prost run he was i think 0.5-1second quicker then alesi and the other race driver after 10+ laps. Prost really liked jensons style and how quick he was out of the box, but had already race/test drivers signed. He told frank williams who had a regulalr test driver already but agreed to run jenson to see if he can get close to there test driver.
So they both went into a test of Qualy laps and race distances, technical feedback etc and jenson was quicker on both racing simulations the test driver (obviously) was better technically knowing a F1 car -but JB had the speed. And the rest is history i guess.
QUOTE (mstar @ Nov 27 2009, 13:12)
Prost really liked jensons style
I'm liking this Button as Prost versus Hamilton as Senna, in a McLaren temporal loop. I encourage this meme as much as possible. The 5-year older, car-sympathetic driver versus the dance-it-round hard-charger.
If he goes back to pre-brawn helmet, we can have red,white and blue versus sunburst yellow. Takes me back.
QUOTE (rodlamas @ Nov 27 2009, 11:11)
This might be a bit off-topic and a load of BS but Mr Celso Itibere reported onhis weekly article yesterday that the real reason Mercedes went after Brawn and are now just a supplier to Mclaren is because they discovered the drawings of a Mclaren V8 engine circulating through Paragon.
That engine would have its components manufactured by Mahle and would be ready to start running on the dyno as early as August 2010
That engine would have its components manufactured by Mahle and would be ready to start running on the dyno as early as August 2010
What are the chances of that being a 2012 spec?
QUOTE (rodlamas @ Nov 27 2009, 14:11)
This might be a bit off-topic and a load of BS but Mr Celso Itibere reported onhis weekly article yesterday that the real reason Mercedes went after Brawn and are now just a supplier to Mclaren is because they discovered the drawings of a Mclaren V8 engine circulating through Paragon.
That engine would have its components manufactured by Mahle and would be ready to start running on the dyno as early as August 2010
That engine would have its components manufactured by Mahle and would be ready to start running on the dyno as early as August 2010
He does know that the MP4-12C has one, a McLaren V8 ...
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 27 2009, 15:27)
What are the chances of that being a 2012 spec?
Is there even a 2012 spec? You probably mean a 2013, same question though ...
QUOTE (peroa @ Nov 27 2009, 12:32)
Is there even a 2012 spec? You probably mean a 2013, same question though ...
My mistake.
No there isn't any description of how this engine (2013-...) will be that we know about it.
But there are some rumblings from within Ferrari and the "coincidence" in the year of choice for VW.
As McLaren has Mercedes' engines granted for a few more years, if the formula of this new engine is known, it'd be wise the invest in this new spec.
The thing is, I don't think it will be an V8.
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 27 2009, 16:27)
What are the chances of that being a 2012 spec?
Zero.
Because the new specs aren't even set in exact rules. Only that is revealed, it will be based on fuel/energy efficiency and other 'green' aims.
QUOTE (feynman @ Nov 27 2009, 14:12)
I'm liking this Button as Prost versus Hamilton as Senna, in a McLaren temporal loop. I encourage this meme as much as possible. The 5-year older, car-sympathetic driver versus the dance-it-round hard-charger.
If he goes back to pre-brawn helmet, we can have red,white and blue versus sunburst yellow. Takes me back.
If he goes back to pre-brawn helmet, we can have red,white and blue versus sunburst yellow. Takes me back.
Indeed. I had exactly the same thought. Hope their relationship doesn't sour like Senna and Prost though!
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Nov 27 2009, 12:39)
Zero.
Because the new specs aren't even set in exact rules. Only that is revealed, it will be based on fuel/energy efficiency and other 'green' aims.
Because the new specs aren't even set in exact rules. Only that is revealed, it will be based on fuel/energy efficiency and other 'green' aims.
I know that.
My questions was made with that in mind.
QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 27 2009, 16:43)
Indeed. I had exactly the same thought. Hope their relationship doesn't sour like Senna and Prost though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M56-m-zuFsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PidqojMK2lY
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Nov 27 2009, 16:19)
I doubt it will even come close; Lewis isn't as hard as Senna and Jenson isn't as slippery as Prost.
QUOTE (femi @ Nov 27 2009, 18:33)
I doubt it will even come close; Lewis isn't as hard as Senna and Jenson isn't as slippery as Prost.
Lewis has said in his recent interview, he has changed/refined his driving style in this year. Now he can be gentle to his tyres, when that's needed, but he'll remain full-on aggressive on his qualifying laps.
I would love to see Jenson and Lewis on the simulator right now getting ready for next year's full tanks. I wonder if Button has tried it yet...
QUOTE (tkulla @ Nov 27 2009, 18:58)
I would love to see Jenson and Lewis on the simulator right now getting ready for next year's full tanks. I wonder if Button has tried it yet...
IButton is not allowed to work for McLaren in this year because of his BGP contract and the upset of Fry and Brawn. Lewis will be on holiday whole december, won't work either.
QUOTE (tkulla @ Nov 27 2009, 18:58)
I would love to see Jenson and Lewis on the simulator right now getting ready for next year's full tanks. I wonder if Button has tried it yet...
Button is not allowed to work for McLaren in this year because of his BGP contract and the upset of Fry and Brawn. Lewis will be on holiday whole december, won't work either.
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Nov 24 2009, 10:32)
A few images of the Zytek-MB_HPE-KERS system used last year.
KCU (Control)
KPP (Battery Pack)
Mercedes FO108W-K System Integration.
KCU (Control)
KPP (Battery Pack)
Mercedes FO108W-K System Integration.
cool
reminded me of the zytek lmp hybrid and this http://audio.mpix.org.uk/mwm2009/mwm4-20.mp3
i suspect zytek will actully be making the macca engines, would make some good sense...
http://www.professionalmotorsport-expo.com...ain_winner.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eep_YrkMQzI...feature=related
Will Mercedes GP, as a new team, honor the FOTA's gentleman's agreement not to use KERS next year?
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 28 2009, 09:21)
Will Mercedes GP, as a new team, honor the FOTA's gentleman's agreement not to use KERS next year?
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
One would hope so, all hell will kick off if they decided to go against the Agreement!
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 28 2009, 09:21)
Will Mercedes GP, as a new team, honor the FOTA's gentleman's agreement not to use KERS next year?
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
The negative PR would be insane if MB run KERS next year. Probably wouldn't sell too many road cars ;)
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 28 2009, 10:21)
Will Mercedes GP, as a new team, honor the FOTA's gentleman's agreement not to use KERS next year?
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
Mercedes GP is not a new entry in that sense.
QUOTE (Enkei @ Nov 28 2009, 09:21)
Will Mercedes GP, as a new team, honor the FOTA's gentleman's agreement not to use KERS next year?
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
It would be a substantial advantage over their direct competitors I reckon.
Well Mercedes Kers will be great but the trick with Kers isn't only the power but its interaction with the braking, that part will be McLarens expertise.
QUOTE (tkulla @ Nov 27 2009, 16:58)
I would love to see Jenson and Lewis on the simulator right now getting ready for next year's full tanks. I wonder if Button has tried it yet...
Not till next year... he is still under contract with Brawn.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Nov 28 2009, 16:41)
Not till next year... he is still under contract with Brawn.
But then ... what does this mean?
"We've always traditionally involved our drivers in the development of the car, and the most important thing we can do in the early days of our relationship is to get Jenson to look at what we do, evaluate it and to ask questions and make suggestions," said team principal Martin Whitmarsh. "Preparation is everything: with Lewis at the start of 2007, he showed just how much could be achieved with a combination of rock-solid preparation and solid hard work."
Whitmarsh said a priority would be to make Button feel at home, and to provide an environment in which he will feel comfortable and relaxed and where both parties can get the best from each other.
"One of the most important tasks will be to get Jenson familiarised with our procedures: how we work at McLaren and how we go racing. He'll need to start putting names to faces, of course, but it should all be a very straightforward job for someone of his experience."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-r...os-1830409.html
... sounds like work has already started for JB but will he realistically have any input in the development of the 2010 car??
your reading to much into the JB getting some dev work. they already penned the car ages ago and look to create a neutral car as that gives bigger spectrum of set-up and car variables to change to one style to another.
I'm sorry but I will wait till the first few races to judge for myself (from what I can see on TV and what is written in the press at that time) as to whether the MP4-25 was designed with the strengths of a particular driver in mind. I will also listen closely to what the other driver (and his fans) has to say on this point next season.
QUOTE (bogi @ Nov 30 2009, 12:52)
Last time they had that was the stillborn MP4-18, let's see if they learned from their mistakes.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Nov 30 2009, 20:38)
I'm sorry but I will wait till the first few races to judge for myself (from what I can see on TV and what is written in the press at that time) as to whether the MP4-25 was designed with the strengths of a particular driver in mind. I will also listen closely to what the other driver (and his fans) has to say on this point next season.
You don't have to wait, you can just accept facts.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Nov 30 2009, 20:38)
I'm sorry but I will wait till the first few races to judge for myself (from what I can see on TV and what is written in the press at that time) as to whether the MP4-25 was designed with the strengths of a particular driver in mind. I will also listen closely to what the other driver (and his fans) has to say on this point next season.
It will be designed to be a fast car and that's all.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Nov 30 2009, 22:38)
I'm sorry but I will wait till the first few races to judge for myself (from what I can see on TV and what is written in the press at that time) as to whether the MP4-25 was designed with the strengths of a particular driver in mind. I will also listen closely to what the other driver (and his fans) has to say on this point next season.
Oh yes, layman armchair 'engineers' will know better the technical background of the things, than the real ones, like Paddy Lowe.
I'm sure Button is agreeing with Paddy, otherwise he wouldn't be signed for McLaren. He's not as layman and not as paranoid as his fans. Why? Because he know better the technical side of car design and driving styles, which is an overrated urban legend amongst the fans. Rubens and Jenson didn't have less different driving styles at Brawn than Lewis and Jenson will have compared.
So if Lewis will beat Jenson on the first race big time, the car will be designed fully and only for him?
The car is developed for better and better performance. It's up to the drivers to set it up and drive.
QUOTE (bogi @ Nov 30 2009, 12:52)
Come on autosport, no shit sherlock. All teams try the aggressive approach each year, that's F1
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