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QUOTE (SeanValen @ May 13 2010, 01:36) *
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Absolutely Nitro edition Melbourne Legend


I think they have so much performance on hand their not even thinking about maximising other structures in their team, it's all Newey. I think they are running these cars right on the edge of reliability and are expecting more dnfs which though will be balanced out by huge performance gains to coast later in races and or just bascially fight for the win, they are not looking for 2nd place to pick up points, that car is fast, 25 points or dnf, they are attacking the season outright for wins and gambling a bit, maybe other teams have made their cars too cautious with reliability, both ways can work, it depends if other teams nick points off each other when redbull dnf. Vettel's break issue in Spain seemed odd, he was on the edge of another dnf. smoking.gif smoking.gif smoking.gif


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The brake issue was caused by his front wing flap being knocked up out of whack by running over kerbs. The wing was blocking the brake cooling duct. There are photos out there where it's fairly plain to see.
gowebber
Red Bull can start to fix their problems by sacking the bloke on the right front tyre jack. he has cost Mark and Seb too many times. Seriously how many times can someone stuff that up? Can't wait for Monaco and hopefully Mark is on it again smile.gif
sanjiro
Did any of you hear what happened to MW in FP2 ?

he was doing long-medium runs and setting good times.
then on his 25 lap came in and did not return for almost half the session.
when he came out it was for 2 rather slow laps in the last seconds of FP2.

I have seen no reports of what was going on.
reliability ?


P.S. unless all the teams have changed the fuel loads they tend to test with I think RBR are looking good for the race.
Any time they are in the top 4-5 places in FP1,2,3 they have had great pace in Q
LoudHoward
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ May 13 2010, 04:01) *
The tyres take time to heat up. The tyre warmers don't get the tyres upto the temperatures that the tyres have on track. It is just an aid. We often hear drivers complaining about not have enough heat on the tyres (particularly with hard tyres) on the outlap. We often see the car that was already on track with hot tyres overtake the cars that just pitted not just at the first corner, but leading up to the turns 2, 3, 4 etc.


Regardless of the exact temperature of the tyres, switching to the hards mid-race a lap earlier than the competition is an advantage, which is why RBR have the policy to pit the lead car if they're running nose to tail (see Malaysia).
SpaMaster
^ Why didn't they pit Webber first at Barcelona then? It is a matter of trade-off between how slow the times get with old tyres and how quickly they can heat up the new tyres. There is no general rule as changing to hard tyres mid-race a lap earlier is an advantage. It depends on the laptimes of the old softs, optimal tyre for a track on a particular day, traffic, race position, etc.
Philip Lee KK
QUOTE (gowebber @ May 13 2010, 16:54) *
Red Bull can start to fix their problems by sacking the bloke on the right front tyre jack. he has cost Mark and Seb too many times. Seriously how many times can someone stuff that up? Can't wait for Monaco and hopefully Mark is on it again smile.gif


it seems i'm not the only one to notice this. the right front guy has been below par....

PassWind
QUOTE (SpaMaster @ May 14 2010, 07:24) *
^ Why didn't they pit Webber first at Barcelona then? It is a matter of trade-off between how slow the times get with old tyres and how quickly they can heat up the new tyres. There is no general rule as changing to hard tyres mid-race a lap earlier is an advantage. It depends on the laptimes of the old softs, optimal tyre for a track on a particular day, traffic, race position, etc.


The only reason I can think of is that Hamilton was no threat to Mark but was to Vettel, if they had pitted Mark first given the gap there may have been enough time to get Lewis in, which would have given Lewis the chance to leap Vettel while they brought him in the next lap. But the stuffed it up regardless, that is Seb's pitstop of course.
sosidge
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83599

I see that Red Bull are blaming the discs for their problems again... wonder how long it is before Brembo release their own statement saying the opposite...

I'm afraid I don't buy this brake excuse. Split down the middle? Onboard footage looked more like Vettel's wheel had worked loose. The team is incapable of getting both front wheels on both cars cleanly during a race, that must be a reflection of the hub design, not the faulty brakes. Surely that is the root of the problem.
H2H
QUOTE (sosidge @ May 14 2010, 10:27) *
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83599

I see that Red Bull are blaming the discs for their problems again... wonder how long it is before Brembo release their own statement saying the opposite...

I'm afraid I don't buy this brake excuse. Split down the middle? Onboard footage looked more like Vettel's wheel had worked loose. The team is incapable of getting both front wheels on both cars cleanly during a race, that must be a reflection of the hub design, not the faulty brakes. Surely that is the root of the problem.


Everybody is entitled to his own opinion, and you seem to think quite often that RBR or the drivers are hiding the truth from us. Fair enough.

Kudos to Seb to bring the car home.

H2H
Tenmantaylor
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83599

Amazing that Seb set purple S2 time with 3 brake discs eek.gif

As for the brake split thats the second FL failure Seb has suffered in 5 races. Due to the extra downforce Red Bull have on their car it's natural to assume they are capable of generating higher braking loads. Could this be anything to do with these failures?
V8 Fireworks
QUOTE (Melbourne Park @ May 13 2010, 06:58) *
If I was Dietrich Mateschitz, I'd be a taurine addict.

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jez33
QUOTE (sanjiro @ May 14 2010, 02:34) *
Did any of you hear what happened to MW in FP2 ?

he was doing long-medium runs and setting good times.
then on his 25 lap came in and did not return for almost half the session.
when he came out it was for 2 rather slow laps in the last seconds of FP2.

I have seen no reports of what was going on.
reliability ?


Someone mentioned brake failure on Mark's car which was why it was in the garage most of the session.
krapmeister
QUOTE (jez33 @ May 15 2010, 20:01) *
Someone mentioned brake failure on Mark's car which was why it was in the garage most of the session.


Apparently the same problem as what happened to Vettel at Barcelona - perhaps a bad batch?
H2H
QUOTE (krapmeister @ May 15 2010, 12:10) *
Apparently the same problem as what happened to Vettel at Barcelona - perhaps a bad batch?


Let us hope it isn't the case. It is all well that the gremlins have not found Seb cars yet, but hopefully they don't saw Mark's. sad.gif


H2H
krapmeister
QUOTE (H2H @ May 15 2010, 19:16) *
Let us hope it isn't the case. It is all well that the gremlins have not found Seb cars yet, but hopefully they don't saw Mark's. sad.gif


H2H


It was posted in the Monaco Saturday FP thread here.

GreenMachine
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Foundations for a couple of cars in podium finishes here, all going well...

Now, all we need is for everyone to keep the first lap clean.

Maybe the car works ok on slower circuits as well as fast ... clap.gif
shunt
Kimi who?
flat4pilot
Kimi who?
hahahaha
krapmeister
Kimi? He's some rally driver isn't he?
Hippo
Nice lap time by the way. It's only 2 tenths of a second short of Räikkönens lap from 2005. Should be the second fastest lap that has been achieved there for the current incarnation of the layout. up.gif

I'm kinda surprised Kubica managed to beat Seb though. I was expecting another 1-2 for us although that wasn't blatantly obvious during free practice.
mtknot
yeah, for red bull's junior team or something? He got fed up with a certain open wheel discipline or something
LukeM
pity the director missed his lap, cannot wait to see a nice onboard of it!
shunt
QUOTE (Hippo @ May 15 2010, 13:43) *
I'm kinda surprised Kubica managed to beat Seb though. I was expecting another 1-2 for us although that wasn't blatantly obvious during free practice.


I feared what Kubica might be able to do all session. He and Alonso were the only threats really and with the latter out of the frame I breathed a little easier.... in the end though I think Seb didn't get the maximum out of it and it should have been a 1-2. The little mishap into the chicane cost Seb that lap and possibly affected his rhythm for his final shot.
kismet
I'm glad Webber's doing so well. Red Bull extending his contract should put an end to all those cheap shots at certain F1 rejects. I hope so, anyway.

In other news, what's the record for the number of consecutive pole positions for a team? Red Bull seems awfully speedy and they have two excellent qualifiers so they could keep this going for a while...
apoka
QUOTE (shunt @ May 15 2010, 15:53) *
I feared what Kubica might be able to do all session. He and Alonso were the only threats really and with the latter out of the frame I breathed a little easier.... in the end though I think Seb didn't get the maximum out of it and it should have been a 1-2. The little mishap into the chicane cost Seb that lap and possibly affected his rhythm for his final shot.

Yep. I think the mishap into the chicane cost him a good lap time and tyres started to degrade in the next one. 1-2 was possible, but good damage control from Vettel and brilliant lap from Webber.

Kubica will be a big threat in the race though. The Renault often had less tyre wear, so it will be difficult for Webber to control the race.
shunt
Depends what damage Webber has done to his car too. He seemed pretty concerned with the front right after the race and it looked wobbly when he pulled into parc ferme.
krapmeister
QUOTE (shunt @ May 15 2010, 23:42) *
Depends what damage Webber has done to his car too. He seemed pretty concerned with the front right after the race and it looked wobbly when he pulled into parc ferme.


Can't have been too wobbly to do a 13.8 on it - may have had a scuff mark on it from the contact that gave the impression that the wheel was wobbly...
FPV GTHO
QUOTE (Hippo @ May 15 2010, 23:43) *
Nice lap time by the way. It's only 2 tenths of a second short of Räikkönens lap from 2005. Should be the second fastest lap that has been achieved there for the current incarnation of the layout. up.gif


To put that into perspective though, Raikkonen's 2005 lap was still done with race fuel onboard.
bond
QUOTE (shunt @ May 15 2010, 15:42) *
He seemed pretty concerned with the front right after the race and it looked wobbly when he pulled into parc ferme.


I also noticed that...
Baddoer
QUOTE (FPV GTHO @ May 15 2010, 18:53) *
To put that into perspective though, Raikkonen's 2005 lap was still done with race fuel onboard.

No, it was'nt
NightProwler
QUOTE (bond @ May 15 2010, 15:56) *
I also noticed that...



Just looked again and the wheel looks fine. The paint looks wobbly, but it looks like that on vettels car as well.
sportzgal82
Mark also checked out Kubica's tires as well though
Hippo
QUOTE (FPV GTHO @ May 15 2010, 16:53) *
To put that into perspective though, Raikkonen's 2005 lap was still done with race fuel onboard.

As Baddoer said, no, it wasn't. Monaco 2005 was the last event at which the cars were sent to qualify on fumes prior to Bahrain 2010. To be precise, Monaco 2005 had a split qualifying. Saturdays they qualified on fumes. Sunday morning they qualified a second time, but fueled for the first stint of the race. Times were added and grid was derived from added times. It was a bit confusing to casual viewers so it got changed after Monaco 2005.
jez33
QUOTE (krapmeister @ May 15 2010, 12:10) *
Apparently the same problem as what happened to Vettel at Barcelona - perhaps a bad batch?


Think it was the disc overheating hence failing, but yes same problem as Seb's in Spain.

BBC FP coverage zoomed up to clearly show a new secondary brake duct on the fronts, and apparently Horner also talked about the team using thicker discs for this race, so hopefully no brake reliability issues during the race.
zergutmikael
Again great result from RB, all the best to MW.

But I disappointed that Vettel lose some of his touch with the car.
F.M.
From James Allen:

Webber’s lap was really something special, Christian Horner told me that the telemetry shows the tiny corrections on the steering wheel through Casino Square are amazing. He described Webber’s form as being a ‘purple patch’ and it will be fascinating to see how long it lasts. Certainly Vettel’s expression afterwards said it all, he is being soundly beaten at the moment.
H2H

Well at least I predicted correctely that RBR would be once again the fastest car on the track. So much for all that ink spent on saying that RBR suffers in Monaco - at least in Q3 the pace of the car was there.

All in all there could be a lot of points coming Red Bulls way.


Kudos also to Renault, both the team and the engine!


H2H
jez33
Q: (Adam Hay-Nicholls - Metro) Mark, there are rumours this weekend that your management has come to a new agreement with RBR. Can you tell us whether that’s the case?
MW: Certainly haven’t come to any agreements yet but there’s still a long way to go in terms of what to do for next year. We’ve worked very hard over the last few years, Red Bull and myself to get into this situation. I’m actually in no real rush to make any big decisions myself; also I think both of us are very happy with each other, a lot of trust with each other, so let’s see how it goes, there’s plenty of time.
zergutmikael
So Kimi still think about his future. smile.gif

But to tell you the truth lads I doubt Mark's form will be the factor if KR made up his mind and want comeback to F1.
Kelateboy
QUOTE (krapmeister @ May 15 2010, 14:37) *
Kimi? He's some rally driver isn't he?

He is one hell of a rally driver. How many pts has he accumulated so far this season in WRC?
flat4pilot
LAst time i looked he had 14 points in wrc and the leaders are over 100 points. it will take him some time to adjust to looking out the side window of a car to go fast!
bourbon
#1 GO RBR!!!!!
GreenMachine
Geeze, things are getting serious, - 1st and 2nd in WDC, 1st in Constructors clap.gif

Good job by MW and Seb to bring home a 1st and 2nd, there of all places - how many SCs, four I think, which chewed up the lead MW had built up. Damn lucky not to be part of that late accident, maybe a bit of luck flowing Mark's way, but you have to say today he made his luck with a smooth, fast and controlled drive.

Way to go MW and RB!

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Henrytheeigth
Superb car, now seems bullet proof, and I tell you, it is such a good looking car! Lucky Webber is in it or I'd have to hate it haha
Hippo
Wow, another dominating win Mark pulled off there. This is just brilliant. It keeps getting better and better. I'm thrilled!

Also finally a 1-2. Must be very relieving for Horner as well.wink.gif
jez33
What a great win.

But why the heck did RBR not call Mark in for the stop to cover everyone else, especially at a track like this where the SC is so common?

Unbelievable the risk the team took there with the race leader.
Hippo
By the way, have we just taken the lead in both WDC and WCC for the first time in the team's history? Another milestone that is! I'll never forget this weekend. It's bloody fan-f#cking-tastic!
Seanspeed
QUOTE (jez33 @ May 16 2010, 10:29) *
What a great win.

But why the heck did RBR not call Mark in for the stop to cover everyone else, especially at a track like this where the SC is so common?

Unbelievable the risk the team took there with the race leader.

I really dont get why Red Bull aren't immediately reacting to their competitors pitting in general. They seem to like to stay out a few laps later, when there's no advantage in doing so. They are only going to lose time. The only way they can make that work for them is if they can beat the pace of the guys with fresh rubber with their own old tires, which isn't gonna happen. The car isn't *that* good.

But yea, great, great day for the team and for Webber. Vettel, despite not being anything special this weekend, still hops up to joint lead in the standings, so its not too bad for him, either.
Jay
Bleh!

I'm gonna stop buying RedBull as from today!!

lol. Congrats you guys. Great weekend all round for your lot.
jez33
The win was nothing, check out Marks backflip into the Energy Station swimming pool up.gif
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