Montreal. Without a doubt.

I don't know about Lewis, but for jenson there are a few tracks he doesn't like that much, and one of them is Barcelona. Monaco is another one.

After the Barcelona race last year he said: "...but coming back to Europe and winning in Barcelona, a circuit that I’ve always found a little bit tough, it’s a good feeling and gives me a lot of confidence for the rest of the season".

And here in your point is proved wrong...

Jenson is also very good on the brakes..but what does it matter? they are ALL good on the brakes.

There is no such thing as a track which suits a driver more than another.

Okay, granted there will be tracks with Lewis can hook up better than Jenson, and Jenson can hook up better than Lewis but there is no such thing as a track favouring one over the other. What I talk of is for example Massa on Turkey and Kimi on Spa.

Yeah and how many races did he win in the second half of the season on tracks he preferred then?

Didn't Button score his only points of the 2008 season at Barcalona aswell?

I wouldn't say it's a bad track for him at all. Especially after last year.

And after an almost win in 2004 and the win last year, why wouldn't he like Monaco?

My point is, every year these results change, so I wouldn't say there are Jenson or Hamilton tracks. Especially not to predict things.

So all F1 drivers are exactly the same on the brakes is it? Of course they're all good, duh they're F1 drivers. But even amongst that elite level, there are sub-levels of "good". Simply put, some are better than the others and that was clear from the previous poster.

Of course Lewis is one of the best under brakes. Unless I'm mistaken, only in Fuji 2008 did he overcook it. The number of times he's taken other drivers under brakes is phenomenal. He's taken Kimi several times under brakes, fooled Massa intro out braking himself as Massa thought it would be easy to match braking distance with a rookie in 2007.

Yeah Jenson is one of the best under braking aswell. So there you go.

Hamilton's overly aggressive braking is not an advantage, it'll be the downfall of him when fuel heavy cars have to be treated with respect. Remember Turkey 07 or Hungary 08? I expect many similar incidents. Too bad he won't be able to fall back on a 3 stopper any more.

Yes, Hungary, I remember Hammy's braking causing that debris to jump up and cut his sidewall

And all that heavy braking through Turn8, his downfall obviously...

Ah yes, the mysterious debris which caused Lewis to yet again lock up and flatspot a tyre.. I wonder if someone keeps spraying substances it in his proximity, poor sod

Yeh you proved me wrong there

Where are your references for 09?

Lewis is much better with his tyres now.

Now you mention it, I do remember some people accusing Bridgestone of not knowing about flatspotting sidewalls, another Hammy first

Hamilton won't have any tyre problems this year. He and McLaren know how to deal with it now. I highly doubt this will turn into a disadvantage compared to Button.

he didnt , coz poor Rubens was racing alone! unlike Jenson!

evidence please...

Yep Jenson definitely has the advantage this season. If Lewis can beat him this season, it really will show that Lewis not only has superb speed and racecraft, but unmatched adaptability also.

I would love to think they are well matched, but I can't get out of my mind the Top Gear Star in an average car challenge. Both Button and Lewis have done a lap in the same car. Ok they were on different days and Button's lap was in the dry and Hamilton's on a wet and oily track, but what astonished me, was Hamilton's lap was identical to Button's dry lap and 2.4 seconds faster than Webber who also was on a wet track...

I know it's not F1 but as an indication of raw speed and talent, it was certainly an eye opener!

If you missed it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUQY-zoFnE&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAYZErfcOPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KahbCu4OVFU

Racing alone? Care to clarify?

...that's enough isn't it?

Otherwise Mansell would still be driving around in a super-sized-bucket-seated Ferrari and The Stig would be on Pole in Bahrain since they are at the top of the table

Where does it prove that Jenson in one of the best under braking?

you show me a video where he overtakes Schumy in 2005....even Jaguars(redbull) overtook Schumy in 2005!
and also same goes for Kimi in 2006

Both on 3 stoppers, Rubens leading.....and they found out 3 stopper was slow and secretly changed Button strategy to 2 and didnt even mention it to Rubens' crew .........and leave Rubens on 3 stopper and to be overtaken by Jenson

Well it's highly likely that the Stig who posted that time was Hamilton anyway so he may well be on pole in Bahrain! As for Mansell, his raw speed was never in doubt. The only real doubt anyone has is if Button really has that raw talent. He obviously thinks he has otherwise he wouldn't put himself against Hamilton in the same equipment. Time will tell...

Gentlemen, a timely reminder of the RC House Rules.

Just a few more weeks till FP1 Bahrain.... "Statements" are going to be made up and down the paddock.

exactly, cant wait till Bahrain to finish Jenson v Lewis, Alonso V Massa and Schumy v Roseberg
but i am afraid it wont be settled that easily

Average odds currently on 2010 WDC:

Lewis Hamilton 4/1

Jenson Button 10/1

10/1 is that all, i would want at least 150/1 on Jenson if i was going to stick a pound on.

Might put 100 quid on Lewis

Track Comparison(Q/R)
----------------------------------Button------------------Hamilton
Sakhir------------------------------3/1----------------------2/2
Albert Park-------------------------1/1----------------------1/1
Sepang-----------------------------1/1----------------------4/2
Shanghai---------------------------3/2----------------------1/1
Catalunya--------------------------1/1----------------------4/2
Monte Carlo------------------------1/1----------------------2/1
Istanbul-----------------------------2/1----------------------2/2
Montreal----------------------------1/3----------------------1/1
Valencia----------------------------5/7----------------------1/2
Silverstone-------------------------3/4----------------------1/1
Hockenheimring--------------------2/2----------------------1/1
Hungaroring------------------------4/1----------------------1/1
Spa-Francorchamps----------------3/3----------------------1/2
Monza------------------------------4/2----------------------2/2
Marina Bay------------------------12/5----------------------1/1
Suzuka-----------------------------2/3----------------------3/3
Korea-------------------------------N/A----------------------N/A
Interlagos--------------------------4/3----------------------2/3
Yas Marina-------------------------5/3----------------------1/R

Damm Lewis what happened

He was having a bad hair day.

That might have something to do with Lewis having an aero-deficient car

Well all that was needed by stuckinsecond to make you believe Hamilton is one of the best under braking was to sum up some random list of what he possibly did over the years, how is that any different from showing these examples?

Edit: Oh and... evidence please.

He was irradiated last week to stop him sprouting cereals, onions, potatoes and garlic etc. Unfortunately as it is often prone to do it has aged him 15 years. That's always the problem. Still, it has been done now at least.

You've got your numbers mixed up. You surely meant 51 years, right? He looks older than his dad.

Interesting statistic, notice that overall Lewis finishes a race where he qualifies but Jense finishes a race higher than he qualifies which reinforces the idea that Jense is a poor qualifier but improves on race day where as Lewis is a better qualifier and can match that performance on race day.

And what did Rubens do when Brawn fixed the brake issues Rubens had with the car in the 2nd half of the season

Nicole left him

How are these stats calculated?

According to a frequent poster to this thread Lewis looks up to Jenson in every way so when his hero joined sporting a nice bit o' face fuzz young Louie decided to emulate his hero...

So, we should be lucky, Nick Heidfeld didn't get the seat

Come on Jenson pick it up a little

Deary me, what wrong with Lewis Obviously not his pussycat any more. Jenson's speed is the most likely cause. It sent LH to rock-bottom levels of worry/depression - just look at all that 'beard' and pillow face No doubt this is to Jenson's advantage though, his confident demeanor will prove wonders with the team and engineers. They've already shown great response to his performance, both on and off track. A true leader.

If it really was Jensons merit, that Lewis looks so ill
than Button seems to be a vamipre

It think its the absence of Nicole
Beside her he looks much younger (again)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...k-together.html

Um... What? Is that their BEST qualifying performance and their BEST race performance or something? A little explaining wouldn't have hurt, you know.

...not quite sure what the point is though.

I heard they're back together again

They look so cute together - glad they are back.

Amazing work from Button today and just to round it all off he has stopped on the track.

Can we please give Lewis the car!!!!!!!

Stopping with 3 minutes to go normally means a deliberate running out of fuel.

Mac being more considerate than some teams...