Full Version: Jenson and Lewis Scorecard 2010 [merged]
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I have a feeling that Hammy will crash out again today, he hasn't driven the car with the update thoroughly.
Been very busy today/yesterday (Saturday) ....and had not been keeping up with the news since the end of the Quali that never was.
So lets see if I've got this straight...LH has a penalty from changing his gearbox, on top of binning the car early in FP1 + rained out FP3 so he has not run with the updates for more than 2 or 3 laps early in FP1... and he has done only about 15 laps in all (including installs)... and quali is meant to be dry... On top of he has only raced at Suzuka once before.
at his chances in this race. Macca should give Gary a go in the car and treat it as a test.
So lets see if I've got this straight...LH has a penalty from changing his gearbox, on top of binning the car early in FP1 + rained out FP3 so he has not run with the updates for more than 2 or 3 laps early in FP1... and he has done only about 15 laps in all (including installs)... and quali is meant to be dry... On top of he has only raced at Suzuka once before.
at his chances in this race. Macca should give Gary a go in the car and treat it as a test.QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Oct 9 2010, 22:41) 
I think he has a Championship winning car this year. Red Bull and Alonso have made a tremendous amount of mistakes and have left the door open for either McLaren driver to win it.
JMHO
JMHO
I don't think the third best car can be called a championship winner, especially when at times it's been well over a second off the Red Bulls pace.
P.S Hamilton will need the drive of his career to win today, with such limited track time and lack of getting used to the new parts the task is much much harder for him.
QUOTE (Olly F1 @ Oct 9 2010, 23:22)
I don't think the third best car can be called a championship winner, especially when at times it's been well over a second off the Red Bulls pace.
P.S Hamilton will need the drive of his career to win today, with such limited track time and lack of getting used to the new parts the task is much much harder for him.
P.S Hamilton will need the drive of his career to win today, with such limited track time and lack of getting used to the new parts the task is much much harder for him.
That McLaren doesn't have a good car talk is crazy. The fastest car is the car that gets to the finish line first. The opportunity was wide open for Lewis or Jenson to win the WDC this year.
AAJMHO - enjoy the race.
QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Oct 10 2010, 00:46)
That McLaren doesn't have a good car talk is crazy. The fastest car is the car that gets to the finish line first. The opportunity was wide open for Lewis or Jenson to win the WDC this year.
AAJMHO - enjoy the race.
AAJMHO - enjoy the race.
The fastest car is the car that gets to the finish line first...yeah and it helps alot if your car is 1+ a lap faster, infact it makes it alot easier. With your logic any car on the grid is a championship winning car.
QUOTE (Olly F1 @ Oct 9 2010, 23:58)
The fastest car is the car that gets to the finish line first...yeah and it helps alot if your car is 1+ a lap faster, infact it makes it alot easier. With your logic any car on the grid is a championship winning car.
Not any car but Ferrari and McLaren have been close enough win it all. You have been quite clear that Red Bull has the best car. So what will your argument be if Alonso wins the WDC in an inferior car? He has made more mistakes then at anytime in his career. The door was left open and anyone in the top 3 teams could have driven through it.
Just my opinion, I respect yours.
My argument will be Alonso is an exceptional talent, as is Hamilton. But the Ferrari is much closer to the Red Bull than the Mclaren is, or atleast it has been for alot of the second half of the season. I agree Hamilton could have won the WDC this year but it would have been down to his exceptional talent and RBR tripping over each other. I really believe that Alonso or Hamilton would have blitzed this championship if their cars were on par with the Red Bull.
I agree the door was left open by Red Bull making mistakes but it doesn't change the fact their car has been significantly quicker than the Mclaren most of the season.
I don't think it's right to call the MP4-25 a championship winning car when it has been almost a second off (sometimes more) the pace for a lot of the races.
I agree the door was left open by Red Bull making mistakes but it doesn't change the fact their car has been significantly quicker than the Mclaren most of the season.
I don't think it's right to call the MP4-25 a championship winning car when it has been almost a second off (sometimes more) the pace for a lot of the races.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Oct 10 2010, 00:21)
Been very busy today/yesterday (Saturday) ....and had not been keeping up with the news since the end of the Quali that never was.
So lets see if I've got this straight...LH has a penalty from changing his gearbox, on top of binning the car early in FP1 + rained out FP3 so he has not run with the updates for more than 2 or 3 laps early in FP1... and he has done only about 15 laps in all (including installs)... and quali is meant to be dry... On top of he has only raced at Suzuka once before.
at his chances in this race. Macca should give Gary a go in the car and treat it as a test.
So lets see if I've got this straight...LH has a penalty from changing his gearbox, on top of binning the car early in FP1 + rained out FP3 so he has not run with the updates for more than 2 or 3 laps early in FP1... and he has done only about 15 laps in all (including installs)... and quali is meant to be dry... On top of he has only raced at Suzuka once before.
at his chances in this race. Macca should give Gary a go in the car and treat it as a test.I wonder if Paffett could have got the car on the 2nd row in qualifying.
Great job by both drivers!!! Hammy did what he had to do and interesting strategy from Button 
QUOTE (advan031 @ Oct 10 2010, 03:12)
Great job by both drivers!!! Hammy did what he had to do and interesting strategy from Button
I'm not sure this was a strategy call, I think he felt more comfortable on the hard tyre.
He had to try it once. Too bad he ruined it.
QUOTE (Grenada @ Oct 10 2010, 03:09)
I wonder if Paffett could have got the car on the 2nd row in qualifying.
LH never ceases to amaze... he has no right to be in the top ten...and he should definitely not be in front of JB
QUOTE (Grenada @ Oct 10 2010, 02:09)
I wonder if Paffett could have got the car on the 2nd row in qualifying.
Ralf (Schumacher): The biggest surprise is Lewis, with his accident at FP1 and without any track time and setup time to get P3 is outstanding
QUOTE (Grenada @ Oct 10 2010, 02:09)
I wonder if Paffett could have got the car on the 2nd row in qualifying.
Would have been better if you showed when your guy had some adversity.
Nice that you came out of hiding anyway.
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 10 2010, 02:18)
Ralf (Schumacher): The biggest surprise is Lewis, with his accident at FP1 and without any track time and setup time to get P3 is outstanding
Yes, Lewis was great today, especially when we look on how much time he spent on track on Friday... He recovered in a great shape again, but pity he must start from 8th place...
Lewis was fantastic once again, especially considering his lack of running. Just think what he could do with a better car. The grid penalty is unfortunate but I'm hoping for a good points result. No dramas please though! 
Williams complains to Stewards about Hamilton.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87347
Sorry Coral. more drama.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87347
Sorry Coral. more drama.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Oct 10 2010, 02:18)
LH never ceases to amaze... he has no right to be in the top ten...and he should definitely not be in front of JB
well from what i saw button should have been 3rd they were very close
QUOTE (zack1994 @ Oct 10 2010, 03:50)
well from what i saw button should have been 3rd they were very close
should have been because....?
QUOTE (robefc @ Oct 10 2010, 02:56)
should have been because....?
take into account lewis soft tyre was a tad quicker than buttons hards and when button done his best lap he had 2 tenths more fuel onboard and lewis got two goes with one lap on the softs
QUOTE (zack1994 @ Oct 10 2010, 03:50)
well from what i saw button should have been 3rd they were very close
....How many timed laps did Hamilton have all weekend?
If he can come 3rd with only doing what 6 timed laps prior to quali that says A LOT about his talent level..does it not?
QUOTE (zack1994 @ Oct 10 2010, 04:01)
take into account lewis soft tyre was a tad quicker than buttons hards and when button done his best lap he had 2 tenths more fuel onboard and lewis got two goes with one lap on the softs
button chose the hard tyres and chose to do a 3 lap run...
Lewis should thanks Button for setting up the car for him..haha
QUOTE (advan031 @ Oct 10 2010, 04:05)
Lewis should thanks Button for setting up the car for him..haha
I'm sure he did
QUOTE (WIC @ Oct 10 2010, 03:03)
....How many timed laps did Hamilton have all weekend?
If he can come 3rd with only doing what 6 timed laps prior to quali that says A LOT about his talent level..does it not?
If he can come 3rd with only doing what 6 timed laps prior to quali that says A LOT about his talent level..does it not?
true but the team has lots of data anyway to help i dont think these days it hurts as much also remember when you think about it button didnt drive the car either remember they didnt use the upgrades so it wasnt the car from fp1 and fp2
QUOTE (robefc @ Oct 10 2010, 03:04)
button chose the hard tyres and chose to do a 3 lap run...
i know but looking at it was a mistake
QUOTE (zack1994 @ Oct 10 2010, 04:08)
i know but looking at it was a mistake
I'm also not sure you can just assume button would be x amount quicker on the softs comnpared to hards, hamlton was also quicker in q2 on softs I think?
QUOTE (robefc @ Oct 10 2010, 04:15)
I'm also not sure you can just assume button would be x amount quicker on the softs comnpared to hards, hamlton was also quicker in q2 on softs I think?
Q2:
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
Well...
I must apologise to my fellow Lewis supporters.
I was VERY pessimistic yesterday. Lack of sleep for 2 nights running, and a terrible weekend for Lewis had me a little out of shape.
The boy done good this mornin'!!!
Get at em now Lewis!!
Podium or bust boy!
I must apologise to my fellow Lewis supporters.
I was VERY pessimistic yesterday. Lack of sleep for 2 nights running, and a terrible weekend for Lewis had me a little out of shape.
The boy done good this mornin'!!!
Get at em now Lewis!!
Podium or bust boy!
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 10 2010, 04:17)
Q2:
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
His time of 1.31:763 was set on hard tyres. When he switched to softs he didnt improve (seemed from the few laps i saw he got alot of traffic when on the softs.) But that could be what influenced him to go with the hard tyres.
byronf1
#F1 Williams protest of Lewis Hamilton's actions in qualifying has been rejected by stewards in Suzuka
phew!!!
#F1 Williams protest of Lewis Hamilton's actions in qualifying has been rejected by stewards in Suzuka
phew!!!
QUOTE (robefc @ Oct 10 2010, 04:29)
byronf1
#F1 Williams protest of Lewis Hamilton's actions in qualifying has been rejected by stewards in Suzuka
phew!!!
#F1 Williams protest of Lewis Hamilton's actions in qualifying has been rejected by stewards in Suzuka
phew!!!
Wurz..... you rock star, you!!!
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 10 2010, 03:17)
Q2:
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
well i was watching live timing jb didnt complete his lap on softs lewis did but jb wasnt to happy on softs he was better on the hards
QUOTE (advan031 @ Oct 10 2010, 04:05)
Lewis should thanks Button for setting up the car for him..haha
Nope, they were obviously running different setups, Levels of wing were far different, Lewis quick through the Esses and Button fastest through the middle sector.
QUOTE (Coral @ Oct 10 2010, 03:44)
Lewis was fantastic once again, especially considering his lack of running. Just think what he could do with a better car. The grid penalty is unfortunate but I'm hoping for a good points result. No dramas please though!
Yes, Lewis surprised me in a positive way - superbly fast with so little track time. Now no mess up in the race!!!
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Oct 10 2010, 05:04)
Yes, Lewis surprised me in a positive way - superbly fast with so little track time. Now no mess up in the race!!!
He's ill, too
earinfection
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 10 2010, 04:17)
Q2:
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
1.31:523 LH
1.31:763 JB
both on option tyres.
Jenson's q2 time was on hards
QUOTE (Lights @ Oct 10 2010, 03:15)
He had to try it once. Too bad he ruined it.
I certainly wouldn't say he ruined it.
QUOTE (Jeag @ Oct 10 2010, 06:00)
I certainly wouldn't say he ruined it.
For sure..
He didn't perfect it, but he did exceptionally well.... Kudos to Jenson!
To my shame, I was so pessimistic that I didn't even bother to get up to watch qualifying so I was extremely pleased [not to say amazed] to see that Lewis had qualified third.
Perhaps I should not watch the race and then hope to be just as amazed at the end?
Perhaps I should not watch the race and then hope to be just as amazed at the end?
QUOTE (moorsey @ Oct 10 2010, 06:35)
To my shame, I was so pessimistic that I didn't even bother to get up to watch qualifying so I was extremely pleased [not to say amazed] to see that Lewis had qualified third.
Perhaps I should not watch the race and then hope to be just as amazed at the end?
Perhaps I should not watch the race and then hope to be just as amazed at the end?
I'm truly gutted he had the grid drop, but I have a sneaky feeling with the pressure being off, we could see a Hamliton classic today (in a good way) Come on Lewis!
QUOTE (Jeag @ Oct 10 2010, 07:00)
I certainly wouldn't say he ruined it.
Err?
He should be 3rd on the grid.
He ruined it because he failed to manage his hard tyres well during qualifying to make most of it when it mattered in the final lap, like the rest of the drivers did.
QUOTE (advan031 @ Oct 10 2010, 04:05)
Lewis should thanks Button for setting up the car for him..haha
A car that has ben setup for Jenson his driving style. It only underlines how good Lewis is to drive with any car that is given to him
And he only did 6 laps in total this weekend.
"Lewis, let Jenson pass for the championship!"
QUOTE (Lights @ Oct 10 2010, 06:53)
Err?
He should be 3rd on the grid.
He ruined it because he failed to manage his hard tyres well during qualifying to make most of it when it mattered in the final lap, like the rest of the drivers did.
He should be 3rd on the grid.
He ruined it because he failed to manage his hard tyres well during qualifying to make most of it when it mattered in the final lap, like the rest of the drivers did.
He ruined it because he broke his brand new gear box trying to catch Alonso. Lewis has always been very subtle with his material.
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Oct 10 2010, 08:30)
He ruined it because he broke his brand new gear box trying to catch Alonso. Lewis has always been very subtle with his material.
BS
Speed crew praising Hamilton for driving the car home. Comparing him to Schumacher of old. Saying sign of a truly great driver.
Depending on your view, Jenson vs Lewis, is now a bit academic or the only kudos left for either of them, as they're both effectively out of the title after this race.
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 10 2010, 08:31)
BS
Button now McLaren's challenger #1, who would have thought?
Yes, that's correct. The championship is over for the McLaren drivers. The car isn't quick enough, and Hamilton simply has had a horrible run lately with mistakes and bad luck.
Who was better this weekend? Well while Button's strategy was never going to work and I don't get why they tried it, Hamilton would be ahead anyway without his gearbox problems so he gets the point.
Who was better this weekend? Well while Button's strategy was never going to work and I don't get why they tried it, Hamilton would be ahead anyway without his gearbox problems so he gets the point.
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