Jenson was 'pathetic' today by being three 10ths of a second off Hamilton. Yeah, totally fair.

Hamilton is arguably the best racer on the grid, to be within three tenths isn't 'pathetic' in any way what-so-ever. Was Hamilton pathetic when he was three 10ths off Jenson earlier in the season btw?

was great seeing ron in the garage... i wonder what he really thinks of jenson

Well yes and no -

You have to say yes, because you cant say one is and other isnt - thats just biased and rude.

But the big part in all of this is context - early this season wasnt a vital near end of season title deciding quali session.

For his own hopes, for the hopes of McLaren, and for the hope he could maybe help Lewis tomorrow if things didnt suit his dwindling WDC bid, then yes, it was a pathetic result to fall out of things at Q2.

Yeah, pathetic being three 10ths off Hamilton. I'm wasting my time, I'm done with you.

Slowly the difference in quality is being shown

Not just on the track, but with the quality of posting on this thread..

That he's far better than Heikki?

Ill ask you then - what do you quantify being outed in Q2 and starting 11th in the 3rd best car in the field in a vital round of the season as?

He's not. He's just saying how he calls it...which is pretty close to how I view it. Jenson did better than I expected, but that's as far as it goes.

at Singapore GP
Q: What do you think for the race ?
RD: We start from the clean side on the track
(Lewis P3, Button P4)

Great to see him still rocking the leather jacket

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/825/6710/

More important is what Whitmarsh thinks... the cameras caught him shaking his head at JB in FP... again.

I really hope JB pulls it together and just follows what the engineers say re set up and goes back to the way he was at the start of the season... positive and upbeat... he should treat being at Macca like being in a relationship and realise that he has to say and do the right things and try to win the team over afresh every weekend... cut out he moaning, smile even if things dont go well. Pledge support even if he does not mean it... he needs to go back to playing the game he was playing at the start of the season.

Yes, I think we can all agree that being three 10ths off arguably the best racer on the grid is pathetic, there's solid logic behind that there thinking.

You of all people should know that it is almost impossible to do that when spending a season across the garage from Lewis. It gradually eats away at drivers, to the point that Jenson is at today.

Come to think of it, every single driver on the grid is pathetic.

Directing my attention to something all of us already know and not answering my question only leads me to believe there can be no good words said about todays result for Jenson.

And as I wrote above, you would also have to call that result pathetic by Lewis.

Zack, you do realise jenson ha something to do with the inters going off right?

He clearly was, and yet DC on the BBC sniped that he didn't understand why Hamilton was unhappy, maybe he made some mistakes in the lap. Don't these idiots watch the bleeding thing? Sick of the BBC coverage.

100% agree. Totally!!

Whitmarsh must be kicking himself now that they didn't agree to Kimi's terms whatever they were and unless he really was dedicated on WRC. Button has been terrible lately.

He's not - he's saying it like it is. I wish people would stop tippie toeing around the facts.

Its time for DC to be replaced IMO... he's got bored and lazy and adds nothing to the show. EJ is now looking like the sensible one.

I always love seeing him there. It must give Hamilton a real boost.

Jealousy can do terrible things to people.

You can see this jealousy, whenever Lewis is in the same circle as DC, Jake and Eddie. They literally look sick to the stomach with him.

I know it sounds a bit crazy, but he brings this out in people. It's not his fault, but it is a consequence of being such a strong character and talent. He's big enough to deal with it, so you should, friend

In the same way he draws massive positive emotion from you, he draws negative emotion in equal proportion from them.

Earlier in the season, I said:

1 season with LH, sent FA to the midfield.
2 seasons, sent HK to the back of the grid.
If JB sees out his contract he might end up driving tin tops.

... I was only half joking.

if your a true mclaren fan then why the negativity to one of thier drivers? 3 tenths down on lewis hamilton is not pathetic, china 2007 alonso was 6 tenths slower than LH in dry conditions, does that make him pathetic? come mate please get some perpective.

You agree with him 100% - so Jenson was 'pathetic' by being three 10ths behind Lewis today? What was Lewis when he was three 10ths + off Buttons pace? Was Lewis Hamilton pathetic on those occasions?

How far off your team mate can you be and not be pathetic? Cause three 10ths of a second isn't a huge amount of time...but just enough to make you pathetic, right?

I know you're going to carry on arguing, even though clearly you have nothing to stand on, and this will just go back and forth with your wishy washy fanboyism clouding every single judgement you make so let's wrap this one up quickly with me conceding. Jenson Button is pathetic for being three 10ths of one single solitary second behind the best or second best driver on the track. Pathetic. The End.

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/28490.html

I guess for Jense the devil is to say he's not as fast as Lewis and the deep blue sea is to keep blaming the tyres, setup and whatnot and building a rep as a whinger.

Kovy was amazingly tough about it I thought, just used to talk about the cornering style a little bit.

For Fernando it was a range of things all bit nebulous like atmosphere. Though brakes and tyre pressures did make a appearance.

Well it's an old problem in racing, with no real answer. Though I liked Patrese's style coping with Mansell.

Thanks

Very well observed.

I'm sure LH must get sick of it sometimes, puts on a brave face, and has a good whinge to Nicole.

Not a bad prospect facing you after an interview with the Beeb... Makes putting up with them worthwhile

But what do they expect. I know Alonso didn't know what to expect.

But surely Heikki did, and Button did? They can't have expected him to be less competitive with them as teammates.

I don't think anyone could reasonably argue that Jenson is anyway near as quick or good as Lewis, to do so is to ignore the truth - but what we have here is people going off the deep end because Jenson doesn't perform to Lewis' standards. Jenson has scored 189 points in arguably the third best car this year, he currently sits 5th in the drivers championship. I'd call that pretty solid.

heres a question that no one seams to be asking of Jenson and his performance.
11 years in F1 9 years does not do much at all.
One year the boy does good.
Next year he is back to the performance of the first 9 years.
So why do some people think the one year is the rule not the exception?
Is the real fact, Jenson is performing to his limits this year and last year he over performed to what is his normal standard?

Please note this is not a dig but simply asking a question.
IMHO i think this is as good as Jenson really is and that last year a combination of luck, a car that was perfect for him and the red bulls destroying their chances flattered Jenson.


But i still think he is the best team mate to Lewis for McLaren right now, and i still say he is a worthy WDC.

i know that but the overeaction on this thread is astonishing alonso 4 tenths behind 2007 jb 3 tenths behind 2010 i dont get it it will be a great race though

He's 21 points behind Hamilton, it's not that bad! I think Jenson finally got a good car last year, that's the real exception. It's widely considered that he's not in the same class as Alonso and Hamilton but he's certainly near the top, I think he has proven that this year.

Three tenths is an absolute ice-age when it comes to being in the same machinery at ideal fuel levels and with clean air ahead of you. If it were something like .05 seconds difference then I would agree with your point here, but it's not.

I fully understand the tendency to gloat considering some of what has been written here in the past months.... and considering, you still have some who keep blindly insisting there is very little to choose btw both drivers...

but I think on the face of it, relative to the competition...Jenson has had a decent season. He has scored decent points all year and deserves credit for hanging in the WDC race til 2 races to go in a 3rd best car. That is not a pathetic performance on its own merits... when the season is over, Jens would likely be in my top 5 performers of the season.

Do not be surprised if he scores decent points tmrw....

what I find funny though is how BBC presenters/pundits always keep repeating Jens excuses verbatim, I've yet to see them say what it is...that Lewis is just faster driver. They may grudgingly allude to that in some obtuse way about how Lewis can driver round a car problems...but never directly say it.

Compared to their commentary of the RedBull or Ferrari drivers...they are quick to say Alonso is quicker than Massa, n Vettel is quicker than Webber, even though the average margin of Vettel over Webber is much smaller than Lewis over Jenson...

I don't think you realise what it takes to hook a lap up and how the subtle differences in the choices you make can effect your lap time, to claim these subtle factors somehow constitute a person being pathetic or a performance being pathetic is hyperbolic nonsense. It's only an ice age on the qualifying table due to the closeness in the machinery, in reality it's a couple blinks of the eye.

Your common sense is burning my eyes.

Only 3 teams have smaller gaps in quali between team-mates this year than Mclaren - Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Lotus.
Link.
So assuming LH is as fast as most people seem to think there must be some truly pathetic drivers in F1.
I'd put the true gap between them at a bit more than three tenths today though.

As long as Lewis beats Button, I'm happy
I don't care about xy ths

Im a big fan of Button but THIS PERFORMANCE IS NOT HOW A WORLD CHAMPION SHOULD BE!!!!!! These last 2 races are -NOT- acceptable. He needs to sit down with Whitmarsh and the rest of the team to get on top of these howlers of performance. Even Heikki, tied down and all by Anthony & co, did a better job vs Lewis in qualifying. Im very disapointed.

No more trips to Japan, no more vacation time, no more private jet relaxation...just hard labour, 20 hours a day and earn that 8 million pounds a year.

Averages can be distorted by outliers, I imagine a median gap would be larger, the head to head is pretty convincing as well.

Frankly though the gap/head to head should be worse for button, I think lewis had the pace in china and he span in malaysia, monza was a bit of a strange q3 or lewis although I'm not saying he'd have qualified ahead.

None of which makes jenson pathetic, he's just generaly a tad slower over one lap than lewis.

I don't think anyone is arguing that. The 'pathetic' comments make for an easy way to categorize posters, so I'm all for them.

Button s pace looks better in qualifying this year... The gap is about 2 tenths to Hamilton... But in race it is over 4 tenths in average after 17 races so far... Similar situation is between Massa and Alonso...

Luckily for me I wasn't trying to answer any question. And no, I wouldn't call any result like that pathetic.