well lights is more unbaised then others he defends/praise lewis when he find its right to do and does the same for button
im not saying i agree with everything he says but still hes lesser baised than others

When was the last time you criticised Lewis?

Exactly

I'm a Lewis fan and sometimes I want to bash my head into something solid- but other times it amuses me to no ends...

How can you not be disappointed with that record? He went 8 seasons with one win. One. Its not even as if he had a terrible car for all those years.

What do you mean "deserved to win"? Of course it did. It was the fastest car in Singapore and used its tyres best in Hungary.

And Jenson's car wasn't either of these in any of his 8 seasons, bar one. (Pun intended).

Anyway, were getting distracted. Onto the race tomorrow...

But this is more due, to sheer temperament, than to intelligence

Jenson is sometimes more cold and calculating ,
while Lewis is more passionate and impulsively

Both sides have their pros and contras

You could say the same about someone like Kubica. He's driven some decent (at times) but never best cars, got one win (and that a lucky one) but stick him in a top car and I wouldn't be surprised to see him win regularly. That doesn't mean he's rubbish now.

He's only raced 3 seasons though. Your missing the point entirely.

Criticise being my operative word. I criticise Lewis unconditionally. Can you same the same thing about him regarding Button? Lights is a Button fan boy of the highest order, nothing wrong with that though Btw no big deal in saying nice things about a rival, most people who do actually only say this to save face deep down they are gutted.

Cold, calculating- or hesitating, playing safe...

Well, looking at my favorite drivers: Mansell, Senna, Hamilton- none of them were the "stay out of trouble" type

How can I not be disappointed? Why would I be?

Like I said already... how many races did his teammates win in all those 9 years?

They weren't even close to one. None of his teammates during those 9 years even scored a 2nd place. Or even a pole position, while Button scored 3 of them.

The question is.. why are you even trying to devaluate his driving during those years or his win in Hungary?

So...., did he have a car capable of winning? How many races were his teammates winning in those great cars?

Jenson had the second best car for most of the 2004 season, apart from that he had either the 3rd, 4th best car or a car that was literally right at the back of the grid. 1 win, quite a few poles and alot of podiums from that is pretty good.

No, I don't think I am. How many wins will Kubica get if he drives a midfield car for the next 2, or 5, or 20 years?

Thank you.

Try today, I said he messed up his S3 and no excuses about Rain set up or the car bottoming out would do.

Because i'm a Lewis fan and am therefore obliged to

You don't know me.

I know your posts though

Ok. Point taken. Hope you did read the rest of that post. It has facts in it.

Please stop discussing each other, and please stop discussing Kubica. Jenson v Lewis is the topic.

That last is the killer question, isn't it? There is a strange prediliction for particular 'fans' to big their driver up by belittling their opponents. Its a strange concept, but...

Thing is, if true, what would that say about Hamilton? That this 'mediocre' driver has now outqualified him 3-1, and is ahead in the points - with the teams only win so far..... imagine how much trouble Hamilton'd be in if he had a talented teammate..

That's not much of a criticism really.
What you mean is Lewis is really faster than Button and should be starting ahead of him tomorrow.
Given their relative pace so far this weekend I think that's right, btw.
What mistakes do you think Lewis has made so far this year?

I did read it, but I didn't get any sleep because I watched practise and am therefore too tired to think of a witty enough reply which is worth posting.

I think the problem with Lewis is that he pushed too much, he said that he couldn't get anything more out of the car, that suggests that he pushed very hard and perhaps too much which cost him. I don't get why McLaren put a lot of fuel in the car for Q3 instead of refuelling after one run. Very puzzling.

Nut I'm looking forward to the race as I have been doing the past few races, that's where the strength is, looking foward to a good battle between JB and LH.

The brighter stars are burning hotter and faster

I like the hotheaded and hothearted driver (+people) generally more, even if it makes you suffer more to support them.

cmon he defends button because the most ppl here said that lewis will destroy button
and so far he isnt that wrong
personly i still think lewis will be ending higher than button in the end but not that big as i expected yes i was one off those guys that said lewis will destroy jenson
i changed my mind over this but as i said i still think lewis will end higher than button but not as big as expected

Yeah it's ok, don't worry. You don't need to reply, I was right anyway.

Button delivered again. And beat Hamilton. Again. Nice to see it. Hope he would finish ahead of Lewis and increase points gap.

Welcome to my hit list. Its a long'un.

True. It is strange indeed.

If you want to have a laugh, visiting the first page of this thread is worth gold.

Oh wait saying Lewis messed up is not a criticism? Ok Lewis is to PR! He is arrogant! His behaviour on and off tracking is terrble... good enough?

There's no point in taking lumps out of each other now. Both are near the front, lets see how the race goes. I personally wish for a dry race and lets see what Vettel really has in a race, with his peers all around him. Race pace is something totally different and if the Mclaren or Ferrari is fast enough in the twisty section, they'll both eat the Red Bull down the back straight. It's going to be an exciting race tomorrow.

Posts deleted please stop the petty bickering and discuss the topic

Back to Lewis v's Jenson, I think one thing we can all agree on is that Jenson has done better than expected at this stage of the season. I for one never expected him to beat Lewis in qualifying at all this season, or beat him in a race until maybe half way, but so far Jenson has held his own. This bodes well for the rest of the season.

The great new's is this will simply drive Lewis to be quicker and quicker. The great thing about this partnership, and rivalry is that both drivers will ma demand more and more of each other, and in the end both will be better drivers because of it.

I for one am glad that Jenson has been as close as he has at this stage, and tbh I think Lewis is too! I cant help but feel Lewis may have been blunted by another year of a slow team-mate.

In 2007, Lewis went from strength to strength simply because Alonso layed down a challenge in the first half of the year. Lewis made it his goal to at the very least match Alonso, and once he did he started beating him. In this case, Lewis has layed down the marker for Jenson, and Jenson has responded well. IMO the best driver lineup currently in F1, and best lineup for Mclaren as a partnership since Mika and DC.

Yes he has, but the Devil's in the detail. If I was Button, I would feel it has been Melbourne qualification, where I was genuinely stronger than Hamilton. He won the qualifying bragging writes in Sepang, but the reality was he was slower. Same in China. Deep down he knows he has been slower, and Hamilton mucked up his runs. Despite all the what if's, shoulda, coulda, woulda, if, but and maybe's, Button leads 3-1 in qualification and currently 2-1 down in races.

I think Lewis is seemingly getting the duff hands from the team, whether by mistake or intentional its still not a good thing for such a bit team to be constantly screwing up.

Its too early to draw conclusions; we can only predict, and I personally predict Lewis to come out on top.

Absolutely.

Its similar to the Vettel situation. He has been quickest, there's no doubt. He probably should have won all three races, but things have happened which has prevented him from doing so. Like Vettel, Lewis has been quicker, he just hasn't got the results due to various reasons, such as unpredictable weather.

So it was the teams fault again? What did they do to him this time?

So the team got Sectors 1 and 2 right yet managed to screw up sector 3 remotely?

Yes, Lewis is in very similar situation to Vettel- I mean he is not really beaten by his teamate - but the results are missing because he either beats himself- or he is beaten by sheer bad luck.

Mate, i think everyone including Jenson knows Lewis is faster in sheer speed at this present moment no one is really debating that. Only place Jenson has been on Lewis pace was Oz where i think he was Lewis' equal in sheer pace from lap1 and was only slower for those few laps on inters.
I think however that the speed gap has been exaggerated a bit and they'll be closer than people think, thought of that seems to rub you lot the wrong way.

Looks like the Alonso fan paranoia is contagious.

As alluded to by Button, getting the tyres to last for a lap was proving problematic for McLaren. Hamilton was free of that in Q1 and Q2 but suffered in Q3.

Actually I had almost forgotten about it, but the Hamilton fans reactions, starting in Australia, got me thinking again...

Yep, there was massive disrespect for Button pre-season, and not just from Hamilton fans. Lot's of people sneered at his championship because he was in the best car- imagine that! At present Button is doing as well against Hamilton as Alonso did.

To me, the Formula 1 should be about the fastest man going as fast as he can, and I hope this is the case.

I think Lewis just needs momentum. He's had an odd start to the year and he just needs to get a good result, and the rest will follow. He has driven like an absolute b*stard the last two races and only got two 6th places to show for it.