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tkulla
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Jan 17 2010, 15:25) *
What was the reason for making the fronts narrower anyway, seems a strange thing to alter.


To balance the grip front to rear that was thrown off by the removal of the grooves. Since the grooves were the same size front and rear, the fronts gained back a larger percentage of their surface area. Of course, the ideal solution would be to make the rear tyres wider, but apparently that would have been expensive for Bridgestone to do. So smaller fronts it is.
Jose Mourinho is Special
if Button beats Hamilton, the English press will find an excuse to cover up Hamilton's performance's. They won't give Button alot of credit for his efforts.

Just like the Football team, after every World Cup exit, it's always 'blame Maradona, blame Ronaldo, blah blah....'
SAFC09
QUOTE (Jose Mourinho is Special @ Jan 17 2010, 15:37) *
'blame Maradona, blame Ronaldo, blah blah....'


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craftverk
QUOTE (Jose Mourinho is Special @ Jan 17 2010, 15:37) *
if Button beats Hamilton, the English press will find an excuse to cover up Hamilton's performance's. They won't give Button alot of credit for his efforts.

Just like the Football team, after every World Cup exit, it's always 'blame Maradona, blame Ronaldo, blah blah....'

you didn't see the grilling he got in 2008?
Anomnader
QUOTE (craftverk @ Jan 17 2010, 15:41) *
you didn't see the grilling he got in 2008?


or the praise Button received aswell.
P123
QUOTE (Jose Mourinho is Special @ Jan 17 2010, 15:37) *
if Button beats Hamilton, the English press will find an excuse to cover up Hamilton's performance's. They won't give Button alot of credit for his efforts.

Just like the Football team, after every World Cup exit, it's always 'blame Maradona, blame Ronaldo, blah blah....'


Newsflash: Button is English too. roflmao.gif
Rinehart
QUOTE (primer @ Jan 17 2010, 05:24) *
Jenson's track record is to be wholly blamed for this. First, he has never demonstrated to possess the raw pace of a Lewis or Fernando. Second, he made an easy cruise to WDC an extended adventure thanks to his mental weakness. So you'll have to forgive not only Lewis fans but many other F1 fans when they believe Lewis will destroy Jenson. 2010 is Jenson's year to prove everyone wrong on both points, we'll see how it goes.


That is exactly why Button has gone to McLaren. He'll gain more credit for beating Hamilton that he did for winning the WDC.

And I'd dispute Button has done any less to demonstrate raw speed that Alonso. Alonso is often rated as the best overall package, but rarely, if ever, the fastest. At least one of his championships was a cruise and collect job - not that there is anything wrong with that - but faster over a lap than Button? I doubt it.
SAFC09
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Jan 17 2010, 15:42) *
or the praise Button received aswell.


Praise ?

I never saw any
MinT
QUOTE (Muzzinho @ Jan 17 2010, 13:17) *
Wow, way more bitching on this thread than any Alonso/Massa thread....

Oh yeh this is going to be a fantastic year for Mclaren drunk.gif


Mainly because this is a lot closer than Alonso v Massa - only 1 winner there (and it aint Massa)

McLaren have 2 WDC's, both British but with very different styles. Ferrari have 1 multiple WDC and an average also ran who needs to be told when to brake by his engineer...
SAFC09
QUOTE (MinT @ Jan 17 2010, 16:02) *
an average also ran who needs to be told when to brake by his engineer...


That's a bit harsh isn't it ?

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The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (Jose Mourinho is Special @ Jan 17 2010, 15:37) *
if Button beats Hamilton, the English press will find an excuse to cover up Hamilton's performance's. They won't give Button alot of credit for his efforts.

Just like the Football team, after every World Cup exit, it's always 'blame Maradona, blame Ronaldo, blah blah....'


Quote of the month. lol.gif Well we Brits must find an excuse from somewhere. drunk.gif We cant live off 1966 forever.
Slartibartfast
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 17 2010, 13:42) *
Those who give Button a chance in beating Hamilton, hang their prediction on Buttons smoothness and his tyre conservation. The irony is the majority of the teams are asking for 2 mandatory pit stops. If this goes through, this will nullify Buttons 1 advantage. eek.gif

Mandatory minimum of two pit stops? Brilliant! rolleyes.gif Let's improve the on-track racing by having the cars stationary off-track. They can't even blame Mosley for this one.
dabrasco
QUOTE (Slartibartfast @ Jan 17 2010, 19:00) *
Mandatory minimum of two pit stops? Brilliant! rolleyes.gif Let's improve the on-track racing by having the cars stationary off-track. They can't even blame Mosley for this one.


my guess is they want to encourage drivers to push from start to finish in the race.... the argument against this is that we dont get to see the smooth, save tires drive vs the gung-ho drive. The counter argument against this is once teams recognize a 1 stop is optimal, then everybody will be doing the smooth save tires drive..... and I agree with the opinion that everyone doing a 2 stopper is better than every one doing a one stopper.


anyways back to topic, decent interviews by Jenson at the Autosport thing... I dont think there will be much fireworks btw the two no matter the result

he should push Lewis all the way
dhill39
All iam seeing and hearing is jenson,whats up with lewis,he's been rather quiet.Anyway i think it's gonna be very close between them,some races you gonna have lewis in front,and jenson in front in others.I am hoping the car is quick and they are at the front.
Owen
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 17 2010, 22:11) *

I can't wait for this season to start. Problem is, still many weeks away dammit!
robracer
F1 rival Lewis Hamilton 'won't blow away Jenson Button'

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Jenson Button will not be crushed by his McLaren team-mate Lewis Hamilton, according to the 2009 world champion's former Renault team-mate Jarno Trulli.

Button's decision to leave Brawn to go head-to-head with 2008 champion Hamilton has been widely criticised but Trulli says Button can handle it.

"I can't see Jenson being blown away by Lewis," Trulli, who will drive for Lotus F1 in 2010, told BBC Sport.

"Jenson deserves to be world champion and it'll be a nice battle at McLaren."

"Jenson is a great guy and he will get on well with Lewis," he added.

"I've been reading stuff left and right saying he will be blown away by Lewis but at the end of the day only the track will tell."
Rinehart
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 17 2010, 13:42) *
Those who give Button a chance in beating Hamilton, hang their prediction on Buttons smoothness and his tyre conservation.



Eh? Where did you get that from? I base it on Button being quicker some of the time.
The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Jan 18 2010, 09:35) *
Eh? Where did you get that from? I base it on Button being quicker some of the time.


Obviously not every view regarding the Hamilton vs Button battle will be the same. rolleyes.gif But the recurring theme was of Buttons smooth style vs Hamilton's aggressive(alleged) harder on the tyres driving style. A gross over simplification IMO, but nevertheless this is where the battle lines were drawn. Now it transpires the majority of the teams are asking for 2 mandatory stops. Ted Kravitz doesn't divulge who these teams are, but if it goes through as expected, a known strength of Button will be negated. There were those who thought Kovalainen would give Hamilton a run for his money. roflmao.gif It was 2 years of total annihilation. Can you name a race Kovalainen came across the finish line less than 10 seconds behind Hamilton? IMO Button and those who think he will beat Hamilton, are in for a rude awakening. Race pace is Hamiltons real strength. This is what shocked Alonso and he is no slouch.

Clatter
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 17 2010, 13:42) *
Those who give Button a chance in beating Hamilton, hang their prediction on Buttons smoothness and his tyre conservation. The irony is the majority of the teams are asking for 2 mandatory pit stops. If this goes through, this will nullify Buttons 1 advantage. eek.gif


Where do you get "the majority of teams want 2 stops" from that article? What I read is the FIA and teams are discussing it, and the desire for 2 mandatory stops could be coming from the FIA. Afterall BE and co seem to think pitstops spice up the show, that was one of their reasons for the reintroduction os refueling.
Rinehart
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 18 2010, 11:55) *
Obviously not every view regarding the Hamilton vs Button battle will be the same. rolleyes.gif But the recurring theme was of Buttons smooth style vs Hamilton's aggressive(alleged) harder on the tyres driving style. A gross over simplification IMO, but nevertheless this is where the battle lines were drawn. Now it transpires the majority of the teams are asking for 2 mandatory stops. Ted Kravitz doesn't divulge who these teams are, but if it goes through as expected, a known strength of Button will be negated. There were those who thought Kovalainen would give Hamilton a run for his money. roflmao.gif It was 2 years of total annihilation. Can you name a race Kovalainen came across the finish line less than 10 seconds behind Hamilton? IMO Button and those who think he will beat Hamilton, are in for a rude awakening. Race pace is Hamiltons real strength. This is what shocked Alonso and he is no slouch.


Talking of gross over simplications...
tkulla
I'm hoping they don't mandate two stops. In fact, I'd prefer that they don't even mandate one (though I doubt the current tyres are capable of a no-stop race). I simply don't see the need. One-stop races aren't going to be as popular as some think. Remember, pit stops are going to be very short, in the three second range. That removes 4-6 seconds off the usual time loss from pitting. While some drivers may try it they might find it difficult. One flat spot and the strategy is toast, and that may be tough to avoid while fending off other cars on fresh soft tyres.

As for Jenson & Lewis and strategy, I think it's too early to tell. Both drivers have shown that they can execute almost any strategy, so I don't see a big problem. Hamilton is certainly capable of saving his tyres - the only question is how quick he will be while doing so. And Button can be aggressive and run off qualifying lap after qualifying lap to pull off a three-stopper. Again, can he do it as quickly as Lewis? We'll find out some answers soon.
SAFC09
Jenson: Title chances better at McLaren

What it says on the tin
BillBald
Regarding 2 mandatory pit stops.

My understanding is that last-minute rule changes have to be unanimous. I can't see McLaren agreeing to it if they think Jenson might be able to one-stop at least some of the time.

This rule change would probably favour Vettel and Red Bull more than anyone. One-stopping would require a fairly long stint on the softer tyres.
undersquare
Fewer stops favours the better qualifiers and overtakers.

More stops favours the drivers who can get most out of old tyres and new tyres on the in- and outlaps.
Jose Mourinho is Special
What are the odds of a Suzuka collision?wink.gif
Nottub
QUOTE (SAFC09 @ Jan 18 2010, 13:06) *

He seems to think McLaren will have a better car than Mercedes this year. I disagree with him. I'm 99% sure Brawn will have the best car.
Clatter
QUOTE (Nottub @ Jan 18 2010, 16:12) *
He seems to think McLaren will have a better car than Mercedes this year. I disagree with him. I'm 99% sure Brawn will have the best car.


JB has some knowledge from which to make his choice, what do you base yours on?
SAFC09
QUOTE (Clatter @ Jan 18 2010, 16:17) *
JB has some knowledge from which to make his choice, what do you base yours on?


How much info do you think he'll have on the Merc ?
robracer
QUOTE (Nottub @ Jan 18 2010, 16:12) *
He seems to think McLaren will have a better car than Mercedes this year. I disagree with him. I'm 99% sure Brawn will have the best car.


I'm with Button, McLaren is the right team to be with for him to have a chance of defending his title. They know what it feels like to win titles year after year whereas the Brawn team don't.
Clatter
QUOTE (SAFC09 @ Jan 18 2010, 16:30) *
How much info do you think he'll have on the Merc ?


Plenty, or do you think they only started work on it after he left?
Nottub
QUOTE (Clatter @ Jan 18 2010, 16:17) *
JB has some knowledge from which to make his choice, what do you base yours on?


(It wouldn't be the first time he's wrong)

I Don't know, just a feeling I have. People underestimate how much the Honda was compromised by having to switch to a Mercedes engine. More often than not the car was not well balanced (specially in the second half of the season), the drivers struggled to get it balanced and the lap times suffered as a result. It was extremely difficult to setup. They (almost) allways started the race weekends with one of the worst cars, having to work hard to get it sorted in time for qualy (sometimes they succedded, sometimes don't). Now the car was redesigned to acomodate the Mercedes engine from the ground up. This alone will be a BIG step forward. The car should be well balanced and this is key for a good lap time.
SAFC09
QUOTE (Clatter @ Jan 18 2010, 16:46) *
Plenty, or do you think they only started work on it after he left?


Chill out i was only asking rolleyes.gif
Clatter
QUOTE (SAFC09 @ Jan 18 2010, 18:21) *
Chill out i was only asking rolleyes.gif


And I answered. I think it's pretty obvious he will know what the predicted numbers are for this years car.
Clatter
QUOTE (Nottub @ Jan 18 2010, 18:11) *
(It wouldn't be the first time he's wrong)

I Don't know, just a feeling I have. People underestimate how much the Honda was compromised by having to switch to a Mercedes engine. More often than not the car was not well balanced (specially in the second half of the season), the drivers struggled to get it balanced and the lap times suffered as a result. It was extremely difficult to setup. They (almost) allways started the race weekends with one of the worst cars, having to work hard to get it sorted in time for qualy (sometimes they succedded, sometimes don't). Now the car was redesigned to acomodate the Mercedes engine from the ground up. This alone will be a BIG step forward. The car should be well balanced and this is key for a good lap time.


Equally people could be underestimating just how much Honda put into the car.
Dalton007
QUOTE (Nottub @ Jan 18 2010, 16:12) *
He seems to think McLaren will have a better car than Mercedes this year. I disagree with him. I'm 99% sure Brawn will have the best car.


I think Button is actually talking about the rate of development which MAC always excel at.
timba
QUOTE (Dalton007 @ Jan 19 2010, 11:08) *
I think Button is actually talking about the rate of development which MAC always excel at.


But was that because of Mercedes ££££?

Jenson hopefully made the best choice. But he can still handle a pants car - won the championship in one - so more advantages compared to Hamilton. clap.gif
stuckinsecond
Regarding pitstops for tyres, I hope they do make 2 stops mandatory. Do we really want the possibility of a tortoise beating a hare? I've always thought F1 is about the fastest driver. Sure we have to applaud a smart driver too, but only if he is very fast too. Such as Schumacher. Fast is always revered. Hence Senna, Gilles are adored as compared to Prost, who truth be told was not just smart, but also very fast. Out of all though, Gilles is probably the most lauded because he was willing and more importantly, able to drive the car at the limit willing to put life and machine on the line.
stuckinsecond
QUOTE (timba @ Jan 19 2010, 19:19) *
But was that because of Mercedes ££££?

Jenson hopefully made the best choice. But he can still handle a pants car - won the championship in one - so more advantages compared to Hamilton. clap.gif


Nope I think it's quite well known that Jense struggles in a less than perfect car whereas Lewis is one of the most adaptable drivers on the grid. The MP4-24 was worse than the Brawn, regardless of which stage of the season you look at. However during the second season when it improved from being an utter donkey to a mere dog, Lewis scored more points than any-other-driver-on-the-grid in the second half of the season. The Brawn and Red Bulls were definitely better, yet those 4 drivers scored less than Lewis from Germany onwards.
timba
QUOTE (stuckinsecond @ Jan 19 2010, 14:02) *
Nope I think it's quite well known that Jense struggles in a less than perfect car whereas Lewis is one of the most adaptable drivers on the grid. The MP4-24 was worse than the Brawn, regardless of which stage of the season you look at. However during the second season when it improved from being an utter donkey to a mere dog, Lewis scored more points than any-other-driver-on-the-grid in the second half of the season. The Brawn and Red Bulls were definitely better, yet those 4 drivers scored less than Lewis from Germany onwards.


Please. Gives us a break redface.gif

Brawn halted development after Turkey and McLaren were a flying rocket in some races after that. Many people say Lewis can adapt, but I remember Kovalainen kept out qualifying him left right and centre as well as keeping up points wise until the Mac got better. So there's no evidence to support your theory. There's more proof of Hamilton needing the rocket. And btw Jenson won 6 from 7 races but his teammate had none. Jense was making that Brawn look superior clap.gif
SAFC09
QUOTE (robracer @ Jan 19 2010, 17:18) *


Good interview

I think Jenson seems a lot more relaxed after last season, having watched, read and listened to a lot of his interviews since becoming champion he seems an easier interview, in the past he sometimes came across as a bit aloof and unapproachable, he seems to be enjoying his role as champion
Simon Says
QUOTE (SAFC09 @ Jan 18 2010, 14:06) *


Mercedes GP is probably going to be very good again next year. Probably Brawn was just playing Jenson because Brawn wanted to have MS. Apparently MS and Brawn had talks at the end of the season about a possible drive for Brawn/Mercedes GP for 2010.

I'm not sure about Mclaren. They had the worst aerodynamics of any car last year. They only managed to win 2 races because of Lewis his driving, not because the car was that good compared to the Red Bull and Brawn GP.
timba
QUOTE (Simon Says @ Jan 19 2010, 17:44) *
They only managed to win 2 races because of Lewis his driving, not because the car was that good compared to the Red Bull and Brawn GP.


Don't forget his magical 3 points of downforce rolleyes.gif
Willy_Wonka
QUOTE (stuckinsecond @ Jan 19 2010, 15:02) *
Nope I think it's quite well known that Jense struggles in a less than perfect car whereas Lewis is one of the most adaptable drivers on the grid. The MP4-24 was worse than the Brawn, regardless of which stage of the season you look at. However during the second season when it improved from being an utter donkey to a mere dog, Lewis scored more points than any-other-driver-on-the-grid in the second half of the season. The Brawn and Red Bulls were definitely better, yet those 4 drivers scored less than Lewis from Germany onwards.



Listen, you could be jesus in a race suite, you wont win a race in a dog of a car period, unless its pure luck.
Wake up a little.
The macca by seasons end was one of, if not the fastest cars on track.
Bonaventura
Button interview with "Bild" at the "Fashion Week" in Berlin
....
How will your duell with Lewis Hamilton be?
(BILD: Wie wird der Zweikampf mit Lewis Hamilton?)

Button: "Violently. We are very different characters. But we both know, we need to work together.
The decision we make on the track. "
(Button: „Heftig. Wir sind sehr unterschiedliche Charaktere. Aber wir wissen beide: Wir müssen erst mal zusammenarbeiten. Die Entscheidung machen wir dann auf der Strecke aus.“)
........


I don't know how correct the translation is.
MinT
nor do I - but no way would Button use the word "violently"
MinT
QUOTE (timba @ Jan 19 2010, 17:37) *
, but I remember Kovalainen kept out qualifying him left right and centre as well as keeping up points wise until the Mac got better


really ?? - not how I remember it. Kept up points wise ? - what in the sense they each didn t score any you mean ?
raiseyourfistfor
XFD I can't wait for Lewis to destroy Button this year.

It's funny that he thinks he has any chance at the WDC. You're not racing against some washed up nobody anymore JENSY LOL
RodrigoL
Of course Lewis is going to win, but the manner in which he does it will be crucial IMO. I think a 10-15 points difference is realistic, but anything less will pose questions about his outright speed.
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In other news, I see McLaren have NOT forced Button to use a Blackberry biggrin.gif

...but an iPhone instead. down.gif

Ron is just terrible? Why should any self respecting person be forced to use a 'phone' without multitasking, file structure, decent camera etc., and above all have to conform with Apple's stupid restrictions.. evil.gif

Button deserves to get beaten for selling his morals ambivalent.gif
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