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ZZMS
QUOTE (depailler on tyrrell p34 @ Jan 25 2010, 05:46) *



she must be lesbian.
Augurk
QUOTE (Sisplatin @ Jan 25 2010, 16:27) *
Q. In Brazil 2006, you said you were sorry for all the errors you made over the years. Is this return an way to show that you can win in the right way?

MS: Yeah, I'm sure 91 wins and seven titles you only win them in the bad way, absolutely, you are right.

Q. It was the manner in which you won them, now what you won.

MS: Yes, I know, I did mean I won all this in the manner that you were trying to ask questions. Let's be sensible and think the reality and look forward to what we all might face, and learn and enjoy together. That's what I'm looking for.


what kinda stupid question is this?? eek.gif
great answer from him BTW

Terrible thing for a journo to do, allow his own grudge to influence his interview.
f1rules
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Jan 25 2010, 15:29) *
I have to say the interviewer who did this was an a**hole: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81054


yes that is poor journalism at its best, hope its not noble


QUOTE (MichaelJP @ Jan 25 2010, 15:48) *
Re. Livery

Well, if I was Mercedes I wouldn't be happy, their logo on top of those airbrushed black bits looks really rushed and amateurish. Especially given the heritage of the Silver Arrows. The black section should be cleanly demarked. It's as though someone thought it looked a bit plain in silver and quickly airbrushed on a few stripes!



agreed, the black parts dont look nice, need be more clean in the design! maybe they should have opted for a more deep dark grey all over and then used the petronas color as kontrast
potmotr
QUOTE (Sisplatin @ Jan 25 2010, 15:27) *
Q. It was the manner in which you won them, now what you won.


I'd bet my arse that's a typo. Should be not.
f1rules
btw. off topic here. I can see we lost our beloved f1-live, the best supplier of high res pics, especially during testing anyone have any idea were the best place to see good high res pics is, Thanks
potmotr
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 25 2010, 15:37) *
btw. off topic here. I can see we lost our beloved f1-live, the best supplier of high res pics, especially during testing anyone have any idea were the best place to see good high res pics is, Thanks


Dunno man, I subscribe to Autosport so get the big photos through them.
norti
I really like the black part.
Black and white are also the colors of the German soccer team for example (which Mercedes is sponsoring). I think in a lot of sports Germany is wearing black and white, so it's fitting also.
Gilles4Ever
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MichaelJP
QUOTE (Burai @ Jan 25 2010, 15:23) *
Looking at better-lit pictures of the car, it appears the black bits are throwbacks to the urban legend of Mercedes scraping white paint off of their cars, in this case scraping off the white-silver to reveal "bare" carbon fibre underneath and showing that it's 100% Mercedes under the skin.


Nice thought, but I can't see any carbon-fibre "weave" which would make your theory more plausible - any pics to illustrate?

Massa_f1
QUOTE (Sisplatin @ Jan 25 2010, 15:27) *
Q. In Brazil 2006, you said you were sorry for all the errors you made over the years. Is this return an way to show that you can win in the right way?

MS: Yeah, I'm sure 91 wins and seven titles you only win them in the bad way, absolutely, you are right.

Q. It was the manner in which you won them, now what you won.

MS: Yes, I know, I did mean I won all this in the manner that you were trying to ask questions. Let's be sensible and think the reality and look forward to what we all might face, and learn and enjoy together. That's what I'm looking for.


what kinda stupid question is this?? eek.gif
great answer from him BTW


Who asked that question how stupid as if all his wins were won by cheatinng. Very unprofessional down.gif to the interviewer
potmotr
QUOTE (MichaelJP @ Jan 25 2010, 15:53) *
Nice thought, but I can't see any carbon-fibre "weave" which would make your theory more plausible - any pics to illustrate?


This one appears to show weave.

Not sure if it is faux weave or proper stuff.

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/1324220
SPBHM
wow, that's a bad interviewer, I could do better questions than that, and without trying to insult MS.

I like the livery smile.gif
FSA
Not a big fan of the livery. Looks very plain for such a nice car. More black with the grey would have been really good. In wet races the car will simply disappear, and all we'll see are the four tyres and the black nose.
Paco
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 24 2010, 18:10) *
How about, "the entire factory and all of the employees were from the Honda tenure".
Honda invested 100s of millions in the Brackley facilities over the years, which made it a very attractive purchase for Mercedes.


roflmao.gif

Oh yeah, and British American Racing (BAR) had no part in it and considering they bought out Tyrell had no no bearing as well in what "BECAME" Honda.

Also, how about the millions poured in by British American Tobacco (BAT).. if you wanna get down to specifics. Should they also be looking back on with ENVY of what Brawn GP accomplished and how what Mercedes is bring to F1... I highly doubt it.

It's not as if they started the team from scratch and gave up on the project 1-2 years early. They were never successful as a team period. BRAWN GP does not equal Honda F1. Let alone Mercedes.

I for one can't wait for the 1st test day and 1st race day and everyone puts the Honda link to rest.

I for one can't wait for this season to start... and that's a first for a few years now.

Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren and RedBull... can't wait to see how it all work itself out! Nice way to start out the new decade.



wrighty
QUOTE (FSA @ Jan 25 2010, 15:57) *
Not a big fan of the livery. Looks very plain for such a nice car. More black with the grey would have been really good. In wet races the car will simply disappear, and all we'll see are the four tyres and the black nose.


maybe thats the idea.....stealth wins!! lol.gif
Anonymous
http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/1100/1194.jpg

"What a joke!" roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
Timstr11
QUOTE (Paco @ Jan 25 2010, 17:03) *
roflmao.gif

Oh yeah, and British American Racing (BAR) had no part in it and considering they bought out Tyrell had no no bearing as well in what "BECAME" Honda.

Also, how about the millions poured in by British American Tobacco (BAT).. if you wanna get down to specifics. Should they also be looking back on with ENVY of what Brawn GP accomplished and how what Mercedes is bring to F1... I highly doubt it.

It's not as if they started the team from scratch and gave up on the project 1-2 years early. They were never successful as a team period. BRAWN GP does not equal Honda F1. Let alone Mercedes.

I for one can't wait for the 1st test day and 1st race day and everyone puts the Honda link to rest.

I for one can't wait for this season to start... and that's a first for a few years now.

Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren and RedBull... can't wait to see how it all work itself out! Nice way to start out the new decade.

There is so much mis-information, it's unbelievable.

(1) BAR bought Tyrrels FOM/FIA entry, not their premises. Tyrrel was never based in Brackley. Only a small number of Tyrrel staff went to the new BAR team.
(2) In F1, investement has to be ongoing, otherwise you will be left behind. Honda invested in a brand new wind tunnel in 2006 and in an SGI Super Computer in 2007/2008. They also invested in a vehicle dynamics/driver simulator in 2008. All these are recent and very expensive investments, which made the team a very attractive prosspect for Mercedes to buy.
(3) There was also a lot of investment in expanding the aero department after Willis and Toet were let go in 2006/2007. They aggressively expanded the aero department in terms of engineers as of late 2007.

The benefit of all this started showing in the 2009 car, which was designed during the 2008 year.
(The only thing is, Honda had a bad engine, which they could not improve much due to the freeze.
One of the main reasons why they withdrew in my opinion.)
gincarnated
QUOTE (Paco @ Jan 25 2010, 16:03) *
roflmao.gif

Oh yeah, and British American Racing (BAR) had no part in it and considering they bought out Tyrell had no no bearing as well in what "BECAME" Honda.

Also, how about the millions poured in by British American Tobacco (BAT).. if you wanna get down to specifics. Should they also be looking back on with ENVY of what Brawn GP accomplished and how what Mercedes is bring to F1... I highly doubt it.

It's not as if they started the team from scratch and gave up on the project 1-2 years early. They were never successful as a team period. BRAWN GP does not equal Honda F1. Let alone Mercedes.

I for one can't wait for the 1st test day and 1st race day and everyone puts the Honda link to rest.

I for one can't wait for this season to start... and that's a first for a few years now.

Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren and RedBull... can't wait to see how it all work itself out! Nice way to start out the new decade.


I disagree. The BGP 001 was funded, designed and built under Honda's tenure. Honda threw away a year so they could focus on the new regs and then didn't stick around for the results. Plus, weren't Honda still partially funding Brawn GP during 09? That was Honda's car that Brawn won the championship with. Thought it's a different story this year as Honda are no longer funding or are involved in the development of this years car.

Honda made some really poor decisions while pulling out. How do you not have some contract in place that at least has some percentage going to Honda if the team is sold on. Maybe that did happen and we just didn't hear about it.

Edit: Thanks for the info Timstr11.
showtime
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81060

"The car we have at the first test won't be the final definition of the car. We have a major upgrade before Bahrain. That is something that perhaps will be common, but what we launch in Valencia will be the chassis and fundamentals for 2010, but with a new aerodynamic package in time for Bahrain."

Someone doesn't want to show his cards until the last minute...
Disgrace
This is a livery launch, so there's roughly as much to analyse. It looks nice, the worrying Petronas green has been minimised all-round. It's pretty.

It also means that Brawn merchandise is worth more given it's rarity in years to come. ^^
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 25 2010, 09:04) *
One of the better pics I've found, and my new wallpaper. Shame Nick Fry had to be in it frown.gif

http://joesaward.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/100125_003.jpg


I never realised Nico had such a massive head compared to Schumacher!

MS' shin (and neck) are way overrated, lol..
carbonfibre
QUOTE (Sisplatin @ Jan 25 2010, 16:27) *
Q. In Brazil 2006, you said you were sorry for all the errors you made over the years. Is this return an way to show that you can win in the right way?

MS: Yeah, I'm sure 91 wins and seven titles you only win them in the bad way, absolutely, you are right.

Q. It was the manner in which you won them, now what you won.

MS: Yes, I know, I did mean I won all this in the manner that you were trying to ask questions. Let's be sensible and think the reality and look forward to what we all might face, and learn and enjoy together. That's what I'm looking for.


what kinda stupid question is this?? eek.gif
great answer from him BTW
Yep that guy really messed it up i suspect he got very ashamed when michael gave those great anwsers.
ali.unal
QUOTE (carbonfibre @ Jan 25 2010, 19:47) *
Yep that guy really messed it up i suspect he got very ashamed when michael gave those great anwsers.

That jurno reminded me Bernie saying once: "If they come in here with a gun and hold it to my head, they had better be sure they can f***ing pull the trigger." Poor guy couldn't manage to pull the trigger. Just showed his gun but it blew in his hand.
Galko877
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Jan 25 2010, 19:46) *
I never realised Nico had such a massive head compared to Schumacher!

MS' shin (and neck) are way overrated, lol..



Actually, maybe it's not MS's chin that is big, but it's his head that is small. eek.gif tongue.gif
Xaus
Wow, what a huge let down.

Did they really have to go with FLAT silver? I'm really hoping it was just poor lighting in that place because that's the dullest/flattest looking paint job I've seen in a long time.

And to answer the guy wondering where the AMG badges are: Well, BMW didn't use M badging on their cars either, right?
OnyxF1
Maybe I'm just a tad over concerned but does anyone else feel that the Mercedes car is a little...bare? It's a beautiful livery (IMO) but there doesn't seem to be that many sponsors on it.
Frans
Good interview btw, hahahaha.... I've send the waves into the right direction!
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (Xaus @ Jan 25 2010, 12:08) *
Wow, what a huge let down.

Did they really have to go with FLAT silver?


I agree it doesn't look very good... Flat silver, or gray actually.. with some random splashes of black and ghey pastel color...

The BrawnGP car actually looked better IMO, even though my brain was automatically replacing the fluo bits with normal yellow for the sake of sanity..
OSX
Pretty dull and unfinished looking livery and the matte finish isn't helping. A little bit of McLaren-esque shine would have made a big difference. Should look better on track though.
docronzo


Well, the mirrors are...
-strange.
Xaus
Oh, hey, I just noticed something. There's no Nick Heidfeld. Weren't there reports that the was going to be unveiled as Mercedes' test driver today at the livery launch?
P123
Almost looks like an interim livery. A couple of black blobs where the Merc branding is and the rest of it silvery white (may look different in daylight though). Did they run out of paint at the Brawn wing mirrors?
craftverk
Eww. Okay now we have better quality pictures, I can confidently say that I dislike it. The silly wiggly black and green stripes = blah. Is it even silver? Looks very dirty. Not digging it. ohwell.gif
mistergagaX
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Jan 25 2010, 09:29) *
I have to say the interviewer who did this was an a**hole: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81054


a**hole indeed ! Why is it always the brits who act that way towards Schumacher ? They have and always did an agenda with Michael .
NO CLASS ......

I liked how schumacher answered these 2 specific questions :

Q. Michael, do you think it's looking tougher than in the years before your retirement, with Vettel coming on strong and Hamilton, and other drivers?

MS: I think the point is that you have probably, compared to the past, one team against which you had to compete, to two or three teams like now. But in the end it's going to be most likely one that you have to pinpoint and that you have to focus on. Last year I know it was different, but it's probably an exception. It might be, again, but it doesn't really matter.

Q. What about the young guys like Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton?

MS: Whether they are young or experienced doesn't really matter, because when you are in the car you don't look at how old he is, or who he is. It is, how can I be better than whoever it is?


up.gif cool.gif


Memo to 2010 F1 grid : watch out , there's a german behind you in your rear-view mirrors ......
Slowinfastout
The nose treatment looks really odd to me... it would look nicer if they would just ditch the black stuff and use black lettering and badge.. except on the inside of the wing endplates where it looks appropriate.
highdownforce
QUOTE (OnyxF1 @ Jan 25 2010, 15:12) *
Maybe I'm just a tad over concerned but does anyone else feel that the Mercedes car is a little...bare?

I suppose that was exactly their intention.
The black spray on the engine cover annoys me a bit.
johnmhinds
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Jan 25 2010, 17:53) *
I suppose that was exactly their intention.
The black spray on the engine cover annoys me a bit.


The black patches do look like a last minute thing, like they printed out all the Mercedes logos before realising that they wouldn't stand out on the silver background.

The funny thing is that they don't stand out that much on the black background either
r4mses
Am I the only one who wonders about the lack of sponsors? So far there are just stickers of Mercedes (owner), aabar (owner), Bridgestone (tyre supplier), Henri Lloyd (clothes supplier), Petronas and MIG on the car. So basically there are just two 'real' sponsors - Petronas and MIG - so far? Oo
Timstr11
QUOTE (r4mses @ Jan 25 2010, 19:00) *
Am I the only one who wonders about the lack of sponsors? So far there are just stickers of Mercedes (owner), aabar (owner), Bridgestone (tyre supplier), Henri Lloyd (clothes supplier), Petronas and MIG on the car. So basically there are just two 'real' sponsors - Petronas and MIG - so far? Oo

Mercedes and Aabar are adding to the yearly operational budget as well, they're not just owners.
But, yes, they have quite a bit of space left for a couple of sizable sponsors, but don't think they're short of money.
highdownforce
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ Jan 25 2010, 15:58) *
The black patches do look like a last minute thing, like they printed out all the Mercedes logos before realising that they wouldn't stand out on the silver background.

The funny thing is that they don't stand out that much on the black background either

That was also my impression, but for some reason I guess that's also intentional.
I've particularly enjoyed the traditional numbers (red on white circle) and the front wing.
I'd like to see those shades of gray at day light to see if they work as supposed.
jonpollak
I just had a flash...

Schumi is driving for a team created for Jacques Villeneuve

Or is it a Tyrrell ?

Jp
highdownforce
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 25 2010, 16:05) *
Mercedes and Aabar are adding to the yearly operational budget as well, they're not just owners.
But, yes, they have quite a bit of space left for a couple of sizable sponsors, but don't think they're short of money.

I'd go as far as saying that they prefer to be without those stickers.
Fortymark
A big up.gif
to Jonathan and Pablo if they were the ones
whom asked those questions.

That´s the type of questions I would like to hear.
Questions that we often discuss on this BB, and not the
standard boring ones.

johnmhinds
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Jan 25 2010, 18:06) *
That was also my impression, but for some reason I guess that's also intentional.
I've particularly enjoyed the traditional numbers (red on white circle) and the front wing.
I'd like to see those shades of gray at day light to see if they work as supposed.


Whether it's intentional or not it looks poor.
They should have put a large version of the tri-star on the engine cover.

It doesn't really look like The Official Mercedes team when their own logos aren't any bigger than they were on the 2009 Mclaren.

http://www.carblog.co.za/wp-content/upload...f1-season_3.jpg
Timstr11
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Jan 25 2010, 19:09) *
I'd go as far as saying that they prefer to be without those stickers.

How would that work? That's the business model of F1: Paying money and get branding on the car and exposure in return.
Diablobb81
QUOTE (Fortymark @ Jan 25 2010, 22:09) *
A big up.gif
to Jonathan and Pablo if they were the ones
whom asked those questions.

That´s the type of questions I would like to hear.
Questions that we often discuss on this BB, and not the
standard boring ones.


Sure, because telling a driver that all his 91 wins were achieved in the "wrong way" shows great intelligence.
SeanValen
QUOTE (jonpollak @ Jan 25 2010, 18:09) *
I just had a flash...

Schumi is driving for a team created for Jacques Villeneuve

Or is it a Tyrrell ?

Jp


Yes initially Tyrrell, brought out by British Amercian Racing, then Honda, then Brawn, then Mercedes!

That's what has crossed my mind as well, jacques's forever unfinished business never to be finished expecation in those years, I wonder if he hung on would he able to have fought with Button for the title, what a decent jv had in his career.
thiscocks
Looks a bit dull, and I don't like the black stripe on the engine cover. It looks out of place. Just 'Mercedes Benz' bigger in black text would have looked much better
wewantourdarbyback
QUOTE (mistergagaX @ Jan 25 2010, 17:48) *
a**hole indeed ! Why is it always the brits who act that way towards Schumacher ? They have and always did an agenda with Michael .
NO CLASS ......


You have no idea who asked the questions you dislike, so an allusion to nationality is just being Xenophobic.
highdownforce
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 25 2010, 16:21) *
How would that work? That's the business model of F1: Paying money and get branding on the car and exposure in return.

All done in the house, by Mercedes' brand exposure, I'd say.
The W01 is set to resemble a Mercedes' silver arrow more than anything else, in a minimalistic way.
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