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MadYarpen
QUOTE (salamin @ Jan 26 2010, 14:22) *


me. wants. this. car.
Massa_f1
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Jan 26 2010, 12:55) *
So what should he have done? Start arguing with this tabloid journalist whose only goal with these questions was obviusly to provocate him? It was not the time and place for that. MS gave him exactly the time and effort he deserved IMO.


Sadly if he keep on getting asked questons like this i dont think he will be hanging round f1 for long. Its one of the reasons he left IMO.
Timstr11
QUOTE (Augurk @ Jan 26 2010, 15:06) *
Exactly the saying I tried to translate, though in sayings its hardly ever enough to translate directly. So I googled for "hoge bomen vangen veel wind english", resulting in a dictionary website saying it was "high winds blow on high hills".

Which is correct, I think.
It means the more important you are, the more you will have to endure, if that's what you were trying to say in dutch.
Augurk
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 26 2010, 15:24) *
Which is correct, I think.
It means the more important you are, the more you will have to endure, if that's what you were trying to say in dutch.

Cool. Apparently I'd rather have to bookmark the translation website in stead of avoiding it biggrin.gif

I think the saying applies to Schumacher and as to why he is being treated seemingly unfair in the media.
Speed_Racer
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Jan 26 2010, 19:48) *
me. wants. this. car.


€177,310 wave.gif
mistergagaX
schumacher has allready showed more commitment to brawn and mercedes co in the last month than jenson did the whole year

''Schumacher has, in fact, already spent a very significant amount of time talking to engineers in the Brackley factory (more days in a month than Button spent in a year, it is rumoured).'' from the telegraph.co


I dont think people realize how mercedes will be a force to be reckoned with now with schumacher on board ...

2010 very likely Mercedes will BE the team to BEAT cool.gif
JPW
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Jan 26 2010, 14:45) *
Daily Mail.

Ahh figures but thanks, I'm wondering if this might lead to Michael avoiding the British press more.

I mean years ago he already had exclusive deals with the German Bild and with RTL, apart from the Italian press he had not much time for others.
Now with sentiments like that coming from accross the channel and driving for the Mercedes team, he might be tempted to ignore the UK press even more.
Johnrambo
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 26 2010, 10:18) *
Michael's the best number 2 as well as number 1.


Schumacher 2010 = Coulthard 2008.
Jackmancer
Guys, let's go to a completly other thing. Should the safetycar still be a Mercedes now that Mercedes is a full factory team? I think it's a bit wierd.
Group B
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 13:28) *
Exactly, btw who was the journo and of which publication was he/she?

The Daily Mail, one of our more jingoistic toilet tissues.
JPW
QUOTE (Jackmancer @ Jan 26 2010, 16:26) *
Guys, let's go to a completly other thing. Should the safetycar still be a Mercedes now that Mercedes is a full factory team? I think it's a bit wierd.

It's not the marque of safetycar that counts but who drives it, Maylander gets his instructions from FIA (Charlie) and what kind of car he drives is inconsequential, it just has to be fast and reliable.
Jackmancer
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 16:31) *
It's not the marque of safetycar that counts but who drives it, Maylander gets his instructions from FIA (Charlie) and what kind of car he drives is inconsequential, it just has to be fast and reliable.


Well people still see a Mercedes as part of the FiA. I think it's a bit like Jean Todt, former Ferrari manager, being the president of the FiA.
Kenaltgr
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 26 2010, 12:50) *
That in my book is not dealing well with the question - it was a poor attempt at a smart dodge. He couldn't deny it, even his team mate present at that interview had accused him of it.
What I also find ridiculous are the attempts of some of his admirers to exonorate him and I do not necessarily mean you Potmotr.


Exactly, the journalist only asked the question because he was talking to the biggest cheat in the history of F1. Any other driver is a saint compared to the 16 years of 'situations' that Schumacher created. Prost/Senna incidents is nothing compared to Schumacher's 16 years of it.
JPW
QUOTE (Group B @ Jan 26 2010, 16:27) *
The Daily Mail, one of our more jingoistic toilet tissues.

Ahh Jonathan McEvoy, a known Schumacher detractor and indeed one with jingoist issues read this from him yesterday:

"The other reason was what Mercedes chief executive, Dr Dieter Zetsche, called it the birth of the 'German national team'.
It sets up a collision with the 'British national team', namely McLaren in the guise of Lewis Hamilton and Button.
Brawn played the rivalry down, pointing to the fact that he worked for a decade with an Italian team, Ferrari. 'I tend to look beyond these things,' he said.
Excuse us in the newspaper business if we do not maintain such a grown-up attitude throughout the coming season."

Massa_f1
QUOTE (Kenaltgr @ Jan 26 2010, 15:47) *
Exactly, the journalist only asked the question because he was talking to the biggest cheat in the history of F1. Any other driver is a saint compared to the 16 years of 'situations' that Schumacher created. Prost/Senna incidents is nothing compared to Schumacher's 16 years of it.


roflmao.gif Senna incidents nothing compared to Schmacher's there just the same
f1rules
QUOTE (Kenaltgr @ Jan 26 2010, 16:47) *
Exactly, the journalist only asked the question because he was talking to the biggest cheat in the history of F1. Any other driver is a saint compared to the 16 years of 'situations' that Schumacher created. Prost/Senna incidents is nothing compared to Schumacher's 16 years of it.


do you want something to help dry your eyes
mclarensmps
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 26 2010, 08:10) *
Dont laugh just yet, by destroy I dont mean beat him every race...it could be 60% of the time. Does anyone remember the early Lewis Hamilton vs Alonso threads back then...worth a read if I can find them again. lol.gif


Lewis v Alonso is very different from Nico v Schumi.

In that, a) Alonso isn't a freak of nature, and b) Nico is not as good as Lewis.
Group B
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 26 2010, 15:51) *
do you want something to help dry your eyes

Some help removing the blinkers would be better.
potmotr
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 15:49) *
Ahh Jonathan McEvoy, a known Schumacher detractor and indeed one with jingoist issues read this from him yesterday:

"The other reason was what Mercedes chief executive, Dr Dieter Zetsche, called it the birth of the 'German national team'.
It sets up a collision with the 'British national team', namely McLaren in the guise of Lewis Hamilton and Button.
Brawn played the rivalry down, pointing to the fact that he worked for a decade with an Italian team, Ferrari. 'I tend to look beyond these things,' he said.
Excuse us in the newspaper business if we do not maintain such a grown-up attitude throughout the coming season."


It's just basic newspaper economics though isn't it?

Start a McLaren v Mercedes "war" along nationalistic lines and shift more rags.

Pretty harmless stuff I reckon.
Group B
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 26 2010, 16:50) *
It's just basic newspaper economics though isn't it?

Start a McLaren v Mercedes "war" along nationalistic lines and shift more rags.

Pretty harmless stuff I reckon.

It's harmless to those of us who don't take it too seriously, but it's fuel to the fire of the idiot minority (you know who you are wink.gif) who already have, shall we say, 'international issues'.
potmotr
QUOTE (Group B @ Jan 26 2010, 16:55) *
It's harmless to those of us who don't take it too seriously, but it's fuel to the fire of the idiot minority (you know who you are ;)) who already have, shall we say, 'international issues'.


I thought The Sun hiring a Spitfire and doing low, diving passes on the German football team practice during the 1998 World Cup was a bit much!

A few hostile hacks isn't going to change the world though...
senna da silva
QUOTE (Group B @ Jan 26 2010, 17:55) *
It's harmless to those of us who don't take it too seriously, but it's fuel to the fire of the idiot minority (you know who you are ;)) who already have, shall we say, 'international issues'.


Top post. up.gif
Kenaltgr
QUOTE (Massa_f1 @ Jan 26 2010, 15:50) *
roflmao.gif Senna incidents nothing compared to Schmacher's there just the same


When did Damon Hill crash into Schumacher to win the title before 1994. Oh he Didn't. Which makes Schumacher's pathetic crash in to Hill even worse. There was no reason to do it, same with crashing in to Villeneuve. No reason to do it other than he had lost and had to crash to win.
The Senna Prost incident was started by Prost in 1989. Without that 1990 wouldn't have happened. Either way they are both saints compared to Schumacher's years of cheating.
JPW
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 26 2010, 17:50) *
It's just basic newspaper economics though isn't it?

Start a McLaren v Mercedes "war" along nationalistic lines and shift more rags.

Pretty harmless stuff I reckon.

Very true but apart from selling more rags nothing good can come from this.

It will (like Group B) said only fuel those with international issues and might lead to Schumacher avoiding the British press which would be a shame especially to those who are mono-lingual (most in the UK I would say).

Imo it's fascinating how this kind of nationalism (and especially against Ze Germans) is still such a mainstream thing in the UK, where in many countries on the continent that's merely a thing for football hooligans and other underdeveloped scum.

Oh well lets see and hope it doesn't become Germany vs UK thing, I wouldn't know which side to pick.
potmotr
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 17:42) *
Oh well lets see and hope it doesn't become Germany vs UK thing, I wouldn't know which side to pick.


I split my time between London and Berlin, though mostly in the UK these days.

And I have to say, most Germans I know think war gags are utterly hillarious!

Gilles4Ever
Please do not discuss Senna or Prost in this thread?
Galko877
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 18:10) *
Ahh figures but thanks, I'm wondering if this might lead to Michael avoiding the British press more.

I mean years ago he already had exclusive deals with the German Bild and with RTL, apart from the Italian press he had not much time for others.
Now with sentiments like that coming from accross the channel and driving for the Mercedes team, he might be tempted to ignore the UK press even more.



I think he didn't really give interviews to F1 Racing in his last years in F1. I wonder if it had to do with that rant of Matt Bishop against his brother, Ralf. It's a shame really, because he can give very good and insightful interviews. But he mainly does it in German magazines.
JPW
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 26 2010, 18:43) *
I split my time between London and Berlin, though mostly in the UK these days.

And I have to say, most Germans I know think war gags are utterly hillarious!

True, the collective sense of humour is growing there imo, although I don't think (or hope) that they'll ever find a Spitfire doing low diving passes on their national football squad very funny.

Anyway back to Mercedes I guess, before my (our) nationalism ramblings hijack the thread wink.gif
MS7XWDC
Mercedes chassis is actualy called the MGP W01 not the RB1.

I know the MGP part obviously means Mercedes GP and the 01 means its their first car. But does anyone know what the W means , its probaly something realy obvious but I dont know?
katmen
QUOTE (MS7XWDC @ Jan 26 2010, 22:46) *
Mercedes chassis is actualy called the MGP W01 not the RB1.

I know the MGP part obviously means Mercedes GP and the 01 means its their first car. But does anyone know what the W means , its probaly something realy obvious but I dont know?

Wagen = car cool.gif
Buttoneer
QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 15:49) *
Ahh Jonathan McEvoy, a known Schumacher detractor and indeed one with jingoist issues read this from him yesterday:

"The other reason was what Mercedes chief executive, Dr Dieter Zetsche, called it the birth of the 'German national team'.
It sets up a collision with the 'British national team', namely McLaren in the guise of Lewis Hamilton and Button.
Brawn played the rivalry down, pointing to the fact that he worked for a decade with an Italian team, Ferrari. 'I tend to look beyond these things,' he said.
Excuse us in the newspaper business if we do not maintain such a grown-up attitude throughout the coming season."

Well I'm quite embarrassed to read that. As if anyone needed a reason to avoid the Daily Mail anyway...

MercedesGP; Based in Britain, engine from Britain, headed by a Briton, undoubtedly staffed mainly by Brits and yet they're willing to ignore that for some 1939 headlines rolleyes.gif

Bets to be taken on when Brawn is first called 'Lord Hawhaw'
Owen
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Jan 26 2010, 22:15) *
Well I'm quite embarrassed to read that. As if anyone needed a reason to avoid the Daily Mail anyway...

MercedesGP; Based in Britain, engine from Britain, headed by a Briton, undoubtedly staffed mainly by Brits and yet they're willing to ignore that for some 1939 headlines rolleyes.gif

Bets to be taken on when Brawn is first called 'Lord Hawhaw'

It's just the usual tabloid shorthand. A good excuse to air the usual set of stereotypes and cliches without going into the real facts of the matter. Sad thing is, I can see this being plundered all year. So glad I don't read newspapers.
Raincoat
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Jan 26 2010, 22:15) *
Well I'm quite embarrassed to read that. As if anyone needed a reason to avoid the Daily Mail anyway...

MercedesGP; Based in Britain, engine from Britain, headed by a Briton, undoubtedly staffed mainly by Brits and yet they're willing to ignore that for some 1939 headlines rolleyes.gif

Bets to be taken on when Brawn is first called 'Lord Hawhaw'



You would be pleased to know he is a Button fan and a Lewis hater. You surely cant hate him that much wink.gif
Slartibartfast
QUOTE (Jackmancer @ Jan 26 2010, 15:26) *
Guys, let's go to a completly other thing. Should the safetycar still be a Mercedes now that Mercedes is a full factory team? I think it's a bit wierd.


QUOTE (JPW @ Jan 26 2010, 15:31) *
It's not the marque of safetycar that counts but who drives it, Maylander gets his instructions from FIA (Charlie) and what kind of car he drives is inconsequential, it just has to be fast and reliable.


As I understand it, the safety car driver's role is to trundle around the track in a silver Mercedes, at slower than optimum speed, keeping the pack together and preventing anyone challenging the leader. I'm sure that by now Ross will have explained it all to Nico...
Modern Lover
QUOTE (Slartibartfast @ Jan 27 2010, 10:24) *
As I understand it, the safety car driver's role is to trundle around the track in a silver Mercedes, at slower than optimum speed, keeping the pack together and preventing anyone challenging the leader. I'm sure that by now Ross will have explained it all to Nico...


roflmao.gif
Zdeus
QUOTE (Slartibartfast @ Jan 27 2010, 04:54) *
I'm sure that by now Ross will have explained it all to Nico...


This thread is quite telling in the way how people are already conjuring up excuses if Nico does not beat Michael. Why aren't Schumi detractors more convinced that Nico will beat him than be so paranoid about having their knives out every time.

I hope that Nico does not think this way - becuase if he does, his mind will make him lose more than anything else.

The one thing he will gain for sure is pseudo fans ;) - that always happens when you compete with Michael - all haters turn into pseudo fans of anyone Michael is up against.
Owen
QUOTE (Ravindra Nagpurkar @ Jan 27 2010, 09:21) *
This thread is quite telling in the way how people are already conjuring up excuses if Nico does not beat Michael. Why aren't Schumi detractors more convinced that Nico will beat him than be so paranoid about having their knives out every time.

I hope that Nico does not think this way - becuase if he does, his mind will make him lose more than anything else.

The one thing he will gain for sure is pseudo fans ;) - that always happens when you compete with Michael - all haters turn into pseudo fans of anyone Michael is up against.

Yep. The man sure is unpopular.
Modern Lover
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 27 2010, 19:24) *
Yep. The man sure is unpopular.


I dont think it has anything to do with being unpopluar, but rather being less popular.

MS has such a massive amount of fans, and they want to see their driver win. This means that NR is automatically given close to no chance.

The joke that Slartibart made I found fun. It has nothing to do with NR. And besides, I find it hard to believe that anyone can have any negative feelings against NR. What is there to hate? Has he ever said anything insulting or behaved mindlessly on track? Not to my recollection.
Zdeus
QUOTE (Modern Lover @ Jan 27 2010, 15:08) *
What is there to hate? Has he ever said anything insulting or behaved mindlessly on track? Not to my recollection.


My point is -why don't the NR fans (if there are any real real fans and not michael haters turned into pseudo fans) root for him and believe that he will beat Michael. There are already thinking of reasons why Mercedes will be unfair to poor nico, how they will screw up - For the love of god - why cant there be more positivity about how Nico will perform better.

I think its a tell tale about the mindset and I find it very strange.
JPW
QUOTE (Slartibartfast @ Jan 27 2010, 00:24) *
As I understand it, the safety car driver's role is to trundle around the track in a silver Mercedes, at slower than optimum speed, keeping the pack together and preventing anyone challenging the leader. I'm sure that by now Ross will have explained it all to Nico...

LOL good one up.gif
f1rules
QUOTE (Slartibartfast @ Jan 27 2010, 00:24) *
As I understand it, the safety car driver's role is to trundle around the track in a silver Mercedes, at slower than optimum speed, keeping the pack together and preventing anyone challenging the leader. I'm sure that by now Ross will have explained it all to Nico...


i would clearly recommend Trulli for that role smile.gif
Frans
Well, one thing is for sure; the Mercedes engines in the McLaren won't be as good as the Mercedes in the Mercedes GP cars............

dUh
Gilles4Ever
QUOTE (Frans @ Jan 27 2010, 14:05) *
Well, one thing is for sure; the Mercedes engines in the McLaren won't be as good as the Mercedes in the Mercedes GP cars............

dUh

In 2009 were the Mercedes engines in the Brawn not as good as the engines in The McLaren - Mercedes cars, remembering that the McLaren was the "factory" team?
Murdoch
QUOTE (Gilles4Ever @ Jan 27 2010, 12:11) *
In 2009 were the Mercedes engines in the Brawn not as good as the engines in The McLaren - Mercedes cars, remembering that the McLaren was the "factory" team?


The Force Indias weren't hanging around at Spa and Monza either, I forget what engines they had though?...
Desdirodeabike
QUOTE (Murdoch @ Jan 27 2010, 13:47) *
The Force Indias weren't hanging around at Spa and Monza either, I forget what engines they had though?...

I dont know if you are joking, but they had/have Mercedes engines and McLaren gearbox.
salamin
according to an interview with the german bild, schumacher is considering to extend his contract

QUOTE
BILD: Jetzt haben Sie für drei Jahre unterschrieben. Warum so lange?
Schumi: „Das war erst einmal gar nicht mein Wunsch. Diese Idee kam vom Team, und ich sehe das als Vertrauensbeweis. Das Schöne ist, dass Mercedes an mich glaubt und mir drei Jahre lang die Möglichkeit gibt, miteinander Erfolg zu haben. Aber nach drei Jahren muss nicht Schluss sein.“
kar
QUOTE (salamin @ Jan 27 2010, 14:08) *
BILD: Jetzt haben Sie für drei Jahre unterschrieben. Warum so lange?
Schumi: „Das war erst einmal gar nicht mein Wunsch. Diese Idee kam vom Team, und ich sehe das als Vertrauensbeweis. Das Schöne ist, dass Mercedes an mich glaubt und mir drei Jahre lang die Möglichkeit gibt, miteinander Erfolg zu haben. Aber nach drei Jahren muss nicht Schluss sein.“


QUOTE
BILD: You have now signed for three years. Why for so long?
Schumi: That was at first absolutely not my wish. This idea came from the team and I see that as evidence of their faith in me. The beauty is that Mercedes believe in me and there is the chance over 3 years to have success together. But after three years doesn't have to be the end.
Hacklerf
This is fantastic, i hope the Hero goes on for many more years, 10 year of Merc to match his times of Ferrari
salamin
8(+ ?) wdc
100+ race wins
200+ podium places
cool.gif
Augurk
Don't read to much into it. I believe it only means that there is no agreement so far that in 3 years time the collaboration comes to an end. It doesn't mean he intends to extend, nor does it mean Mercedes does. All it means is in good time they will decide what to do.
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