QUOTE (TURU @ Feb 20 2010, 17:14) 
These stints compared to Alonso's, Webber's and even Kobayashi's and Kubica's ones, are not quite encourageing.
does one need to drive on the limit to get data on tire degradation?
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does one need to drive on the limit to get data on tire degradation?
Rozberg was driving 1,24s he come to the box , change tyres with new wait 15 minutes and get to the track in last minutes and he did 1,20. He was with the same fuel from his last run 1,24(where he was with old tires). This is how I see it. Don't want to see it like PR run. 
Or they wanted all to see and say , Look how slow are Mercedes.
Or they wanted all to see and say , Look how slow are Mercedes.
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 20 2010, 17:52)
Rozberg was driving 1,24s he come to the box , change tyres with new wait 15 minutes and get to the track in last minutes and he did 1,20. He was with the same fuel from his last run 1,24(where he was with old tires). This is how I see it. Don't want to see it like PR run. Or they wanted all to see and say , Look how slow are Mercedes.
Or they wanted all to see and say , Look how slow are Mercedes.That 's why I do not think the last three laps are not media lap. I hope so.
Nico Rosberg was at the wheel of the MGP W01 today for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team’s final day of testing in Jerez which brings the eight-day programme at the Spanish circuit to its conclusion.
Nico’s programme for today concentrated on chassis set-up work over longer runs alongside a tyre comparison programme. The weather stayed dry throughout enabling a very productive day for the team with Nico completing 130 laps with a quickest lap time of 1:20.061.
Nico Rosberg: “We’ve had a very positive day today and were able to complete a lot of valuable mileage which is a great way to end the tests here in Jerez. We’ve made some good progress on our set-up comparisons and learnt a lot which will be useful to prepare for the final test in Barcelona. Being able to get the laps in dry conditions has been very helpful for me to get used to the car and systems.”
Ross Brawn: “The past two weeks in Jerez have seen an intensive period of testing for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team and it is very pleasing to have ended the test programme with two days of very valuable dry running for Nico and Michael. Although the conditions haven’t been ideal over the two tests, we have been able to make good progress on the set-up of the car and completed a number of our systems evaluations. We still have a great deal of work ahead of us in Barcelona next week but overall we’re looking in good shape for the start of the season.”
The final pre-season test will start on Thursday 25 February at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.
Nico’s programme for today concentrated on chassis set-up work over longer runs alongside a tyre comparison programme. The weather stayed dry throughout enabling a very productive day for the team with Nico completing 130 laps with a quickest lap time of 1:20.061.
Nico Rosberg: “We’ve had a very positive day today and were able to complete a lot of valuable mileage which is a great way to end the tests here in Jerez. We’ve made some good progress on our set-up comparisons and learnt a lot which will be useful to prepare for the final test in Barcelona. Being able to get the laps in dry conditions has been very helpful for me to get used to the car and systems.”
Ross Brawn: “The past two weeks in Jerez have seen an intensive period of testing for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team and it is very pleasing to have ended the test programme with two days of very valuable dry running for Nico and Michael. Although the conditions haven’t been ideal over the two tests, we have been able to make good progress on the set-up of the car and completed a number of our systems evaluations. We still have a great deal of work ahead of us in Barcelona next week but overall we’re looking in good shape for the start of the season.”
The final pre-season test will start on Thursday 25 February at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.
NICO CONCLUDES JEREZ TEST
Posted: Saturday 20 February 2010 at 17:03
Nico Rosberg was at the wheel of the MGP W01 today for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team抯 final day of testing in Jerez which brings the eight-day programme at the Spanish circuit to its conclusion.
Nico抯 programme for today concentrated on chassis set-up work over longer runs alongside a tyre comparison programme. The weather stayed dry throughout enabling a very productive day for the team with Nico completing 130 laps with a quickest lap time of 1:20.061.
Nico Rosberg: We had a very positive day today and were able to complete a lot of valuable mileage which is a great way to end the tests here in Jerez. We made some good progress on our set-up comparisons and learnt a lot which will be useful to prepare for the final test in Barcelona. Being able to get the laps in dry conditions has been very helpful for me to get used to the car and systems.?br />
Ross Brawn: The past two weeks in Jerez have seen an intensive period of testing for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team and it is very pleasing to have ended the test programme with two days of very valuable dry running for Nico and Michael. Although the conditions haven't been ideal over the two tests, we have been able to make good progress on the set-up of the car and completed a number of our systems evaluations. We still have a great deal of work ahead of us in Barcelona next week but overall we are looking in good shape for the start of the season.?br />
The final pre-season test will start on Thursday 25 February at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.
Posted: Saturday 20 February 2010 at 17:03
Nico Rosberg was at the wheel of the MGP W01 today for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team抯 final day of testing in Jerez which brings the eight-day programme at the Spanish circuit to its conclusion.
Nico抯 programme for today concentrated on chassis set-up work over longer runs alongside a tyre comparison programme. The weather stayed dry throughout enabling a very productive day for the team with Nico completing 130 laps with a quickest lap time of 1:20.061.
Nico Rosberg: We had a very positive day today and were able to complete a lot of valuable mileage which is a great way to end the tests here in Jerez. We made some good progress on our set-up comparisons and learnt a lot which will be useful to prepare for the final test in Barcelona. Being able to get the laps in dry conditions has been very helpful for me to get used to the car and systems.?br />
Ross Brawn: The past two weeks in Jerez have seen an intensive period of testing for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team and it is very pleasing to have ended the test programme with two days of very valuable dry running for Nico and Michael. Although the conditions haven't been ideal over the two tests, we have been able to make good progress on the set-up of the car and completed a number of our systems evaluations. We still have a great deal of work ahead of us in Barcelona next week but overall we are looking in good shape for the start of the season.?br />
The final pre-season test will start on Thursday 25 February at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.
In his interview Alonso say that F10 is the best car he ever have , but they still have a lot to do. He say some teams show their cards, where Ferrari didn't. The strongest rivals are Mclaren, Mercedes, RBR. He say that Barcelona will show the potential of the teams.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Al...lpepudep_18/Tes
I like his words about Mercedes. In this forum I see a lot of upset fans of different teams. And this first tests was a "waste" for us fans. We didn't understand anything. Test was useful only for fans that visited Jerez and Valencia where for 5-10 euro they experienced F1. I envy them(not in the rainy days).
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Al...lpepudep_18/Tes
I like his words about Mercedes. In this forum I see a lot of upset fans of different teams. And this first tests was a "waste" for us fans. We didn't understand anything. Test was useful only for fans that visited Jerez and Valencia where for 5-10 euro they experienced F1. I envy them(not in the rainy days).
QUOTE (DaleCooper @ Feb 18 2010, 19:22)
Yes, but in gamesmanship, if you ignore an opponent you often do it to subtly dismiss them and their efforts, as if to say " I don't rate you" . It tends to have the opposite effect of what is desired, that is, you tend to motivate that opponent rather than demoralize them, to show you how wrong you are.
I am not implying this is the case here with Massa, but you never know. Maybe, just maybe, Ferrari do not see Mercedes with Schumacher and Brawn as "enemies" (rather they can't bring themselves to). They are still on friendly terms, we'll see that attitude change if the cars are close in performance during the season.
If Schumacher says they will be competitive, they will be competitive. They are probably holding something back, and he knows what it is.
Cooper
Now Alonso elected the same tone. Naming his competitors, has left out MGP team. Could be oversight, but on the other hand maybe those guys see problems (which we, fans, do not) that will keep MGP car at the back; at least from the beggining. (I am reffering to the Autosport article).I am not implying this is the case here with Massa, but you never know. Maybe, just maybe, Ferrari do not see Mercedes with Schumacher and Brawn as "enemies" (rather they can't bring themselves to). They are still on friendly terms, we'll see that attitude change if the cars are close in performance during the season.
If Schumacher says they will be competitive, they will be competitive. They are probably holding something back, and he knows what it is.
Cooper
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Call me crazy, but is Beer's article the same interview which is posted in preceeding post in Spanish? (I do not speak that language).
In interview to Elpais.com he mention MGP(Mercedes) together with McLaren and Red Bull as I said in my last post: Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Translation: Over its rivals, said that the most dangerous are the McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull and noted that in practice in Barcelona next week will see the strength and potential of the teams.
In other interview he say that McLaren, RBR and Renault show their cards.
Translation: Over its rivals, said that the most dangerous are the McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull and noted that in practice in Barcelona next week will see the strength and potential of the teams.
In other interview he say that McLaren, RBR and Renault show their cards.
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 20 2010, 19:19)
In his interview Alonso say that F10 is the best car he ever have , but they still have a lot to do. He say some teams show their cards, where Ferrari didn't. The strongest rivals are Mclaren, Mercedes, RBR. He say that Barcelona will show the potential of the teams.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Al...lpepudep_18/Tes
I like his words about Mercedes. In this forum I see a lot of upset fans of different teams. And this first tests was a "waste" for us fans. We didn't understand anything. Test was useful only for fans that visited Jerez and Valencia where for 5-10 euro they experienced F1. I envy them(not in the rainy days).
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Al...lpepudep_18/Tes
I like his words about Mercedes. In this forum I see a lot of upset fans of different teams. And this first tests was a "waste" for us fans. We didn't understand anything. Test was useful only for fans that visited Jerez and Valencia where for 5-10 euro they experienced F1. I envy them(not in the rainy days).
Actually he didn't mention Mercedes as a strong rival. He mentioned McLaren-Mercedes and RBR.
The battle at Mercedes will be interesting if they don't have a good car. The fight between Nico and Michael will be really good and exciting, and I believe it's not as predictable as everybody thinks.
When I see McLaren, Mercedes I don't think this mean McLaren-Mercedes. I think this mean McLaren and Mercedes. I give the link to the source in my last post.
This is original : Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Maybe I am making mistake, don't know. Maybe in Spanish (,) this mean something else?
This is original : Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Maybe I am making mistake, don't know. Maybe in Spanish (,) this mean something else?
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 20 2010, 23:16)
When I see McLaren, Mercedes I don't think this mean McLaren-Mercedes. I think this mean McLaren and Mercedes. I give the link to the source in my last post.
This is original : Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Maybe I am making mistake, don't know. Maybe in Spanish (,) this mean something else?
This is original : Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Maybe I am making mistake, don't know. Maybe in Spanish (,) this mean something else?
Ah, You're right. Only looked at the Google translated version.
They a 100 different sources: http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/alonso-me...dasdasmot_3/Tes
Alonso aprovechó también las dos jornadas para vigilar a los otros equipos. "Red Bull, Mclaren y Renault han rodado rápido y han mostrado sus cartas, mientras que nosotros seguimos sin enseñarlas.
Here he only say that: Alonso also took two days to watch the other teams. "Red Bull, McLaren and Renault have rolled(drive) fast and have shown their cards, while we still teach us.
He mean just that they show their cards nothing else. They were driving fast and Ferrari didn't. Something like this.
Hope next week we see stronger Mercedes.
http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/alonso-me...dasdasmot_3/TesAlonso aprovechó también las dos jornadas para vigilar a los otros equipos. "Red Bull, Mclaren y Renault han rodado rápido y han mostrado sus cartas, mientras que nosotros seguimos sin enseñarlas.
Here he only say that: Alonso also took two days to watch the other teams. "Red Bull, McLaren and Renault have rolled(drive) fast and have shown their cards, while we still teach us.
He mean just that they show their cards nothing else. They were driving fast and Ferrari didn't. Something like this.
Hope next week we see stronger Mercedes.
All this speculation flies in the face of logic. The car doesn't look all that great but its pretty consistent on longish stints (though not as fast as the Ferrari). I am sort of resigned to this not being a championship year but I still hope that Schumi can perform a miracle. Especially since I am hoping to go to Spa this year. Schumi winning the WDC at that race would be quite orgasmic.
QUOTE (MiPe @ Feb 21 2010, 03:10)
..maybe those guys see problems (which we, fans, do not) that will keep MGP car at the back; at least from the beggining. (I am reffering to the Autosport article).
What does the Autosport article say about MGP's problems?
I'm not a subscriber and I'm curious to know.
QUOTE (MiPe @ Feb 20 2010, 23:40)
Now Alonso elected the same tone. Naming his competitors, has left out MGP team. Could be oversight, but on the other hand maybe those guys see problems (which we, fans, do not) that will keep MGP car at the back; at least from the beggining. (I am reffering to the Autosport article).
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Call me crazy, but is Beer's article the same interview which is posted in preceeding post in Spanish? (I do not speak that language).
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Call me crazy, but is Beer's article the same interview which is posted in preceeding post in Spanish? (I do not speak that language).
Alonso just said McLaren, Red Bull and Renault have shown their cards. Actually people in the McLaren thread are upset about their team being mentioned in this sentence.
You all remember that Ferrari and Mercedes came from the same school -Ross Brawn school. Their methods of working are very close. They didn't show their cards and between them they can easily read in results that other team have. Or Ross can read in Ferrari results more than other way around. I think they changed accordingly their way of working little bit to make Ferrari reading their results not so easy. IMO. Ferrari maybe also changed their way of working, but they have to change winning strategy that worked for them more than 10 years. And it is not easy. Even fastest time they show was very close.
For me MGP was working until now in 2009 configuration, with 2009 level of down force. I hope they balance car well, made good WD. As I said there is more questions in fans heads, than answers now.
For me clearly Alonso mention Mercedes as competitor in ElPais site, but not in the list with teams showing their cards. I am sure he spoke with a lot of jurno and he say different things, and they ask him different questions for sure.
For me MGP was working until now in 2009 configuration, with 2009 level of down force. I hope they balance car well, made good WD. As I said there is more questions in fans heads, than answers now.
For me clearly Alonso mention Mercedes as competitor in ElPais site, but not in the list with teams showing their cards. I am sure he spoke with a lot of jurno and he say different things, and they ask him different questions for sure.
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 21 2010, 08:50)
You all remember that Ferrari and Mercedes came from the same school -Ross Brawn school. Their methods of working are very close. They didn't show their cards and between them they can easily read in results that other team have. Or Ross can read in Ferrari results more than other way around. I think they changed accordingly their way of working little bit to make Ferrari reading their results not so easy. IMO. Ferrari maybe also changed their way of working, but they have to change winning strategy that worked for them more than 10 years. And it is not easy. Even fastest time they show was very close.
For me MGP was working until now in 2009 configuration, with 2009 level of down force. I hope they balance car well, made good WD. As I said there is more questions in fans heads, than answers now.
For me clearly Alonso mention Mercedes as competitor in ElPais site, but not in the list with teams showing their cards. I am sure he spoke with a lot of jurno and he say different things, and they ask him different questions for sure.
For me MGP was working until now in 2009 configuration, with 2009 level of down force. I hope they balance car well, made good WD. As I said there is more questions in fans heads, than answers now.
For me clearly Alonso mention Mercedes as competitor in ElPais site, but not in the list with teams showing their cards. I am sure he spoke with a lot of jurno and he say different things, and they ask him different questions for sure.
Agreed. And some people forget that Michael was part of Ferrari till december, whoever thinks that he had his eyes closed when they were developing the F10 is probably still convinced that all he did for Ferrari was sabotaging Kimi's car.
I think he was well aware what were they trying to achieve with the F10.
On topic (which,shockingly enough,doesn't include Pope Alfonso's opinions,his toilet habits et cetera),I think we ought to just wait until Barcelona before we write this season off. Once again there's been no hint Brawn expects a massive jump in performance because of the updates,so any minor updates should effectively be nullified by the updates the other teams are bound to introduce. Worst case: performance similar to what it is now,but will improve over the course of the season. A string of solid points finishes and podiums should keep them in the fight for a while at least.
QUOTE (Speed_Racer @ Feb 21 2010, 01:27)
What does the Autosport article say about MGP's problems?
I'm not a subscriber and I'm curious to know.
"Those guys" meant couple of prominent drivers who named their top ranked competitors, but MGP wasn't in that group, which leads me to believe, that MGP is lagging in development at the moment. (I think drivers do sense it). Autosport was silent on that issue; I am not subscriber BTW as well. (At least not anymore).
I'm not a subscriber and I'm curious to know.
QUOTE (BRK @ Feb 21 2010, 03:56)
On topic (which,shockingly enough,doesn't include Pope Alfonso's opinions,his toilet habits et cetera),I think we ought to just wait until Barcelona before we write this season off. Once again there's been no hint Brawn expects a massive jump in performance because of the updates,so any minor updates should effectively be nullified by the updates the other teams are bound to introduce. Worst case: performance similar to what it is now,but will improve over the course of the season. A string of solid points finishes and podiums should keep them in the fight for a while at least.
No one (at least those I have read) is writing MGP off for a season, but current showing has laid some foundation for concerns, that possibly start of the season might be difficult for everyone, including MGP's fans.
Some guy on the F1technical forum:
Even if they start on the back foot, they will not be far off.
In itself, I find it interesting to see how the team develops now they're under Mercedes ownership.
QUOTE
"A source close to the Mercedes GP team told me that their Barcelona update is worth 6 tenth/lap in the wind tunnel and they expect to fight for the win already from Bahrain on."
Even if they start on the back foot, they will not be far off.
In itself, I find it interesting to see how the team develops now they're under Mercedes ownership.
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 21 2010, 08:50)
You all remember that Ferrari and Mercedes came from the same school -Ross Brawn school. Their methods of working are very close. They didn't show their cards and between them they can easily read in results that other team have. Or Ross can read in Ferrari results more than other way around. I think they changed accordingly their way of working little bit to make Ferrari reading their results not so easy. IMO.
Why would Mercedes GP hide their true pace? So Ferrari could underestimate them and be surprised in Bahrain? Yeah, that really would help winning the titles. Come on, that doesn't make any sense. The only plausible reason for sandbagging is to hide your solutions from the eyes of competition. But - unless the mighty diffuser is two steps ahead of the rivals' solutions - sandbagging at this stage makes more damages than brings profit. Ferrari is faster and they already working on a new diffuser anyway. So my bet is on a delay in a development process. Brawn & Haug and Co. will catch up eventually, though other teams don't stand still either.
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Feb 21 2010, 14:12)
Some guy on the F1technical forum:
Even if they start on the back foot, they will not be far off.
In itself, I find it interesting to see how the team develops now they're under Mercedes ownership.
Even if they start on the back foot, they will not be far off.
In itself, I find it interesting to see how the team develops now they're under Mercedes ownership.
That wrote a guy with 1 single post... I should register and post that I heard it's worth 1.5s a lap
Well its all or nothing at Barcelona, if the upgrades don't come then I think Mercedes will be fighting for P5 and lower for the first few races.
QUOTE (Lukin83 @ Feb 21 2010, 13:46)
Why would Mercedes GP hide their true pace? So Ferrari could underestimate them and be surprised in Bahrain? Yeah, that really would help winning the titles. Come on, that doesn't make any sense. The only plausible reason for sandbagging is to hide your solutions from the eyes of competition. But - unless the mighty diffuser is two steps ahead of the rivals' solutions - sandbagging at this stage makes more damages than brings profit. Ferrari is faster and they already working on a new diffuser anyway. So my bet is on a delay in a development process. Brawn & Haug and Co. will catch up eventually, though other teams don't stand still either.
no team has shown its true pace yet, even alonso has admitted thats the case at ferrari
no one realised red bull were the quickest non DD team after testing last year...
QUOTE (BigWicks @ Feb 21 2010, 13:04)
no team has shown its true pace yet, even alonso has admitted thats the case at ferrari
no one realised red bull were the quickest non DD team after testing last year...
no one realised red bull were the quickest non DD team after testing last year...
Well, there was that KERS thing....
QUOTE (BigWicks @ Feb 21 2010, 19:04)
no team has shown its true pace yet, even alonso has admitted thats the case at ferrari
no one realised red bull were the quickest non DD team after testing last year...
no one realised red bull were the quickest non DD team after testing last year...
Yeah, because all of the teams will introduce new things between now and Bahrain. Nonetheless the winter test are some kind of indication of car's pace and for now it seems that Mercedes is a little bit behind. Could be an illusion, though I think it is not. It's a question of an individual estimations so there's no point in arguing anyway.
Besides, Alonso actually said that other teams showed their cards already, although no one is sure if he mentioned Mercedes or not ;)
If nobody see it until now:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/02/deco..._source=twitter
"From what we saw this week, the field is close enough for this to change the order, if someone finds a significant aerodynamic step. It is all to play for."
"Engineers tell me that the established teams are covered by no more than 7/10ths of a second."
We will see about that. If aero update can change the game ,maybe there is a point to hide it for last moment. Will be interesting week in Barca. A lot of updates for everybody.
About Alonso I showed links what he said,I am repeating for 2-3 times in Elpais there he mentioned Mercedes and McLaren and Red Bull as strongest opponents. He is Spanish and I trust more Spanish site in connection with him.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/02/deco..._source=twitter
"From what we saw this week, the field is close enough for this to change the order, if someone finds a significant aerodynamic step. It is all to play for."
"Engineers tell me that the established teams are covered by no more than 7/10ths of a second."
We will see about that. If aero update can change the game ,maybe there is a point to hide it for last moment. Will be interesting week in Barca. A lot of updates for everybody.
About Alonso I showed links what he said,I am repeating for 2-3 times in Elpais there he mentioned Mercedes and McLaren and Red Bull as strongest opponents. He is Spanish and I trust more Spanish site in connection with him.
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 22 2010, 01:09)
About Alonso I showed links what he said,I am repeating for 2-3 times in Elpais there he mentioned Mercedes and McLaren and Red Bull as strongest opponents. He is Spanish and I trust more Spanish site in connection with him.
This was also the same guy that told a Spanish journo he would be fighting at the very front of the field,before the 2009 season. Didn't quite turn out right,did it? Besides,there's also what Button and Massa have said,and neitehr of them really seem to be unduly worried about the Mercedes.
They're drivers,not diviners-throwaway comments and remarks are just mind-games to rattle the opposition,it's a big mistake to read too much into it.
QUOTE (BRK @ Feb 21 2010, 15:46)
They're drivers,not diviners-throwaway comments and remarks are just mind-games to rattle the opposition,it's a big mistake to read too much into it.
Exactly right, but I think point was made earlier, that he spoke spotaneously, and what was on his mind. It was not MGP which came to his mind as a big pain. Nothing to it other than indirect confirmation what some of us had suspected for a while, the car was not ready to compete yet. (JB actually characterized as car being unstable on the rear axle, if my recollection is correct). Can't wait for next test.
It would be foolish to discount Mercedes, Brawn and MS, they still have more to come, Alonso needs to be careful he's words don't come back on him.
Ross Brawn is really kidding us all. The thing is the team is short staffed hence they couldnt do more to improve the performance of the car over the winter. If they dont come out with their new upgds in Barcelona, does he really expect us to believe that they are gonna run with untested parts directly in Bahrain? I think 2010 is gonna be a sabbatical year and they are gonna focus on 2011. Besides Michael is gonna use this year to get back into the rhythm. Looking forward to 2011. ;-)
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 21 2010, 00:16)
When I see McLaren, Mercedes I don't think this mean McLaren-Mercedes. I think this mean McLaren and Mercedes. I give the link to the source in my last post.
This is original : Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Maybe I am making mistake, don't know. Maybe in Spanish (,) this mean something else?
This is original : Sobre sus rivales, ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado que en los entrenamientos de Barcelona de la próxima semana se verá la fuerza y las posibilidades de las escuderías.
Maybe I am making mistake, don't know. Maybe in Spanish (,) this mean something else?
Alonso didn't write this sentence and nobody except him can say if he said ...ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren, Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado...
or ...ha comentado que los más peligrosos son los McLaren-Mercedes y Red Bull y ha señalado...
What are upgds?
Why does it matter so much what Alonso said that we are analyzing his words for days now? It's just an opinion, and he has every right to have one. He could be right or he could be wrong, no matter what he said exactly or what he meant. So let's please get back on topic.
Why Mr.Brawn thinks they are in good shape for the start of the season, and this was positive test? Maybe he is missing something. 
Maybe he follow other test ,not this in Jerez. Or maybe we will not recognize the car when we see it in Barca. Hope so. Or who will be strong in Barca? In Valencia Ferrari were first, in Jerez McLaren were quickest. Speculation please.
Maybe he follow other test ,not this in Jerez. Or maybe we will not recognize the car when we see it in Barca. Hope so. Or who will be strong in Barca? In Valencia Ferrari were first, in Jerez McLaren were quickest. Speculation please.
QUOTE (Chubby_Deuce @ Feb 22 2010, 11:02)
What are upgds?
upgrades
QUOTE (Jomyboy @ Feb 22 2010, 04:10)
Ross Brawn is really kidding us all. The thing is the team is short staffed hence they couldnt do more to improve the performance of the car over the winter. If they dont come out with their new upgds in Barcelona, does he really expect us to believe that they are gonna run with untested parts directly in Bahrain? I think 2010 is gonna be a sabbatical year and they are gonna focus on 2011. Besides Michael is gonna use this year to get back into the rhythm. Looking forward to 2011. ;-)
Why not? Teams are constantly put untested parts on the car over the season, so why not at the first race?
QUOTE (eoin @ Feb 22 2010, 15:35)
Why not? Teams are constantly put untested parts on the car over the season, so why not at the first race?
FOR SURE THEY CAN INTRODUCE ALL THE PARTS IN THE FIRST RACE, BUT I DOUBT THEY WILL. ITS TOO RISKY. IF THEY DO, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE THE "FRIDAY" AS A TEST DAY. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT EXCEPT WITH THE ENGINE RESTRICTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON, YOU DONT WANNA BURN EM ALL OUT TESTING ON FRIDAYS?
I for one am worried, very worried! 
Unless there's miracle at Baca next week, the season might be poor. The only thing worse than not having Schmi on the grid, is having MS on the grid but with uncompetitve machinery.
Unless there's miracle at Baca next week, the season might be poor. The only thing worse than not having Schmi on the grid, is having MS on the grid but with uncompetitve machinery.
QUOTE (Jomyboy @ Feb 22 2010, 11:41)
FOR SURE THEY CAN INTRODUCE ALL THE PARTS IN THE FIRST RACE, BUT I DOUBT THEY WILL. ITS TOO RISKY. IF THEY DO, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE THE "FRIDAY" AS A TEST DAY. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT EXCEPT WITH THE ENGINE RESTRICTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON, YOU DONT WANNA BURN EM ALL OUT TESTING ON FRIDAYS?
Stop shouting!
QUOTE (emburmak @ Feb 22 2010, 06:47)
I for one am worried, very worried!
Unless there's miracle at Baca next week, the season might be poor. The only thing worse than not having Schmi on the grid, is having MS on the grid but with uncompetitve machinery.
Unless there's miracle at Baca next week, the season might be poor. The only thing worse than not having Schmi on the grid, is having MS on the grid but with uncompetitve machinery.
I expect Mercedes to be towards the front end fighting for good points. Exactly where, I don't know. I do know a lot can change after the first few races of the season as well.
From F1techical forum:
"the Barcelona update for MErc includes more than just a new front wing and diffusor.
There some changes to the rear bodywork around the gearbox and exhaust to correct the exhaust cracking problem they had during testing.
Also revisions to the sidepods but not sure what they are. Could be more undercutting or it could be intenal with a more optimised radiator positioning to help sort out mass distribution on the front tyres."
"the Barcelona update for MErc includes more than just a new front wing and diffusor.
There some changes to the rear bodywork around the gearbox and exhaust to correct the exhaust cracking problem they had during testing.
Also revisions to the sidepods but not sure what they are. Could be more undercutting or it could be intenal with a more optimised radiator positioning to help sort out mass distribution on the front tyres."
I am not very impressed by speculation that in last minute there will be massive changes to the body work, despite that it may be essential. Concern is whether this all will actually in plus-column, or it will slow them even more from where they are now. It contains risk, and as RBR can attest, some changes they had introduced last year actually didn't work, and finding about it on Friday before race is just maddening. This year not winning early in the season can put a team really in the hole, and restrictions on testing therefore seems rather bad idea to me.
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By sheer coincidence someome has printed in another thread a copy of Ferrari's view on the same subject, with which I totally agree. F1 needs more testing volume.
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By sheer coincidence someome has printed in another thread a copy of Ferrari's view on the same subject, with which I totally agree. F1 needs more testing volume.
This winter season testing times were not too sweet for Michael, but Michael had always started the season in a very strong position. I am assuming that come Bahrain we see Michael fighting for top slot(s) ... possibly front two rows... Can't imagine yet how different how it may be.
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Feb 22 2010, 13:07)
From F1techical forum:
"the Barcelona update for MErc includes more than just a new front wing and diffusor.
There some changes to the rear bodywork around the gearbox and exhaust to correct the exhaust cracking problem they had during testing.
Also revisions to the sidepods but not sure what they are. Could be more undercutting or it could be intenal with a more optimised radiator positioning to help sort out mass distribution on the front tyres."
"the Barcelona update for MErc includes more than just a new front wing and diffusor.
There some changes to the rear bodywork around the gearbox and exhaust to correct the exhaust cracking problem they had during testing.
Also revisions to the sidepods but not sure what they are. Could be more undercutting or it could be intenal with a more optimised radiator positioning to help sort out mass distribution on the front tyres."
Is this user trustable? I see this guy has written 182 postings, is it an insider or how does he know?
Hello all to you! 
I have been following this forum some months now with non registered and now finally decided to register and have a word. Ive noticed that a lot of you guys are worried about the pace of the MGP but im not. I have been following the tests and the times and IMO there is no need to worry because Nico and Michael have been showing basically the same times as other teams(by other teams i mean Red Bull, Ferrari and Mclaren). What i found really interesting was on Wednesday when after the red flag with just 15 minutes left to the end of the session it was very interesting to follow the times of Schumi, Hamilton, Vettel and Massa. Hamilton was the fastest lapping in 1.23s and Schumi, Vettel and Massa lapping in 1.24s. Schumi was faster than Vettel and Massa in 1.24s and finally got down to 1.23s while Vettel and Massa stayed in the 1.24s and Hamilton finally dropped down to 1.24s too. i know that it was just a 15 minutes and not a lot of laps and we dont know the fuel loads but i guess they must have been on pretty similar fuel loads when they showed pretty similar lap times. And on friday Schumi and Webber showed the whole day basically the same lap times both lapping in 1.22-1.23, except Webbers short stint in 1.19s. And on Saturday the four guys Nico, Webber, Alonso and Button were running in 1.21-1.22s and in 1.23s-1.25s. i was very bored and i calculated the average of the times
Lighter car Heavier
Rosberg 21,860 24,7
Alonso 21,942 24,102
Button 21,554 25,003
Webber 22,436 24,529
For the lighter car times i took the times up to 1.22 and for the heavier car 1.23-1.25. Of course i dont know the fuel loads but anyway i did the calculations.
The only thing that im worried about is that Alonso, Massa and Button, they dont mention Mercedes in interviews when they are asked which car looks fast and they certainly know more than we here i think. But anyway i think that Mercedes hasnt just showed their cards yet and when they add the new front wing and the diff. they will be very very fast. But this is just my point of view.
I have been following this forum some months now with non registered and now finally decided to register and have a word. Ive noticed that a lot of you guys are worried about the pace of the MGP but im not. I have been following the tests and the times and IMO there is no need to worry because Nico and Michael have been showing basically the same times as other teams(by other teams i mean Red Bull, Ferrari and Mclaren). What i found really interesting was on Wednesday when after the red flag with just 15 minutes left to the end of the session it was very interesting to follow the times of Schumi, Hamilton, Vettel and Massa. Hamilton was the fastest lapping in 1.23s and Schumi, Vettel and Massa lapping in 1.24s. Schumi was faster than Vettel and Massa in 1.24s and finally got down to 1.23s while Vettel and Massa stayed in the 1.24s and Hamilton finally dropped down to 1.24s too. i know that it was just a 15 minutes and not a lot of laps and we dont know the fuel loads but i guess they must have been on pretty similar fuel loads when they showed pretty similar lap times. And on friday Schumi and Webber showed the whole day basically the same lap times both lapping in 1.22-1.23, except Webbers short stint in 1.19s. And on Saturday the four guys Nico, Webber, Alonso and Button were running in 1.21-1.22s and in 1.23s-1.25s. i was very bored and i calculated the average of the times
Lighter car Heavier
Rosberg 21,860 24,7
Alonso 21,942 24,102
Button 21,554 25,003
Webber 22,436 24,529
For the lighter car times i took the times up to 1.22 and for the heavier car 1.23-1.25. Of course i dont know the fuel loads but anyway i did the calculations.
The only thing that im worried about is that Alonso, Massa and Button, they dont mention Mercedes in interviews when they are asked which car looks fast and they certainly know more than we here i think. But anyway i think that Mercedes hasnt just showed their cards yet and when they add the new front wing and the diff. they will be very very fast. But this is just my point of view.
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