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QUOTE (doublestars @ Mar 1 2010, 12:43) 
What's with it? I only see few driver responses when asked what do they think of Bahrain package for W01. Nothing sensational.
QUOTE (dren @ Feb 28 2010, 20:32)
Testing is for data collection, reliability testing, and set-up work. The teams want to learn how to set up the car to use the tires properly. With the limited time the teams have to test, they are not going to jog around the track trying to psych out the other teams or to sand bag. Sand bagging is used as an excuse when people see their team not performing how they would like during testing. Much like was going on with Mclaren fans this time last year.
Merc is in the mix, but a little behind. With the updates in Bahrain I expect Mercedes to be up towards the top. It will be close. I don't think the other top teams have as large of packages prepaired for Bahrain. This has always been the plan for Mercedes. Brawn is typically honest with his remarks, as is Schumacher. Red Bull takes an extra week to design the car more, Mclaren just had a sizeable update as did Ferrari. Mercedes is just a little later with theirs.
The exciting thing is that it is going to be an extremely close season. Although right now I would have to put my money on Hamilton for the top spot in two weeks.
The great thing is Mercedes probably has the strongest line-up of drivers right now. I'd say Mclaren and Ferrari are about even and then Red Bull.
Merc is in the mix, but a little behind. With the updates in Bahrain I expect Mercedes to be up towards the top. It will be close. I don't think the other top teams have as large of packages prepaired for Bahrain. This has always been the plan for Mercedes. Brawn is typically honest with his remarks, as is Schumacher. Red Bull takes an extra week to design the car more, Mclaren just had a sizeable update as did Ferrari. Mercedes is just a little later with theirs.
The exciting thing is that it is going to be an extremely close season. Although right now I would have to put my money on Hamilton for the top spot in two weeks.
The great thing is Mercedes probably has the strongest line-up of drivers right now. I'd say Mclaren and Ferrari are about even and then Red Bull.
Very intelligent assessment, especially the bolded line
BBC sport: Where do the Formula 1 teams stand after testing?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8543250.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8543250.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8543250.stm the right link
QUOTE (MiPe @ Feb 25 2010, 21:47)
I do wonder if we ever find out if the so much talk about new parts for Bahrain are part of some devilish scheme by Ross to prevent law suits prior first race by revealing secrets as late as possible, or, MGP team is simply late with corrections performed on the car design, and now they are at risk that secret may or may not work allright on the track in first race.
I wrote this initially tongue and cheek, but reading on latest RB's thoughts on the subject, I wonder how close in reality I was to the truth? Isn't he actually telling us to sit tight and I guarantee you diffuser related noise in the paddock (if not in court room) in Bahrain?
I don't believe it's got anything to do with diffuser secrets. We've seen it all now.
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Mar 1 2010, 14:54)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8543250.stm the right link
Cheers. Interesting reading.
QUOTE (Owen @ Mar 1 2010, 23:48)
Cheers. Interesting reading.
Indeed. I really hope the package Mercedes has for Bahrain is that significant.
Rosberg repeated to Bild: "We also have a new aerodynamic package that comes to Bahrain and from which we are quite sure that it represents a giant leap".
There's quite a few pessimists here, but I would not at all be surprised if Mercedes turn up with the fastest car in Bahrain.
There's quite a few pessimists here, but I would not at all be surprised if Mercedes turn up with the fastest car in Bahrain.
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Mar 2 2010, 11:09)
Rosberg repeated to Bild: "We also have a new aerodynamic package that comes to Bahrain and from which we are quite sure that it represents a giant leap".
There's quite a few pessimists here, but I would not at all be surprised if Mercedes turn up with the fastest car in Bahrain.
There's quite a few pessimists here, but I would not at all be surprised if Mercedes turn up with the fastest car in Bahrain.
Me too, i voted for Merc in the who is fastest after the testing poll too because they are very close with the old package and as Nico and Ross have said they will have new package and it will give a huge boost for the car, at least i hope so
They do seem slightly off the pace currently, especially at qualifying. Note: slightly. A few tenths. But the new package should make up for that if it delivers and it should merc right in the fight. Hoping for a good first race!
Go Merc!
Achtung Baby!
Go Merc!
Achtung Baby!
Lauda's idea on Mercedes:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...LE4WnIk35I1Xg4A
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...LE4WnIk35I1Xg4A
Just bought the new "Motorsport aktuell".
They say the results of the new front wing were not convincing yet and a more efficient one is to come for Bahrain.
The new front suspension, which will also increase the wheelbase slightly, was not tested in Barcelona but will be part of the Bahrain package.
They say the results of the new front wing were not convincing yet and a more efficient one is to come for Bahrain.
The new front suspension, which will also increase the wheelbase slightly, was not tested in Barcelona but will be part of the Bahrain package.
Ross Brawn interview on the official f1 website
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10481.html
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10481.html
QUOTE (Rambazamba @ Mar 2 2010, 12:30)
Just bought the new "Motorsport aktuell".
They say the results of the new front wing were not convincing yet and a more efficient one is to come for Bahrain.
The new front suspension, which will also increase the wheelbase slightly, was not tested in Barcelona but will be part of the Bahrain package.
They say the results of the new front wing were not convincing yet and a more efficient one is to come for Bahrain.
The new front suspension, which will also increase the wheelbase slightly, was not tested in Barcelona but will be part of the Bahrain package.
thanks a lot for this info!
QUOTE (merschu @ Mar 2 2010, 23:34)
Ross Brawn interview on the official f1 website
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10481.html
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10481.html
Interesting...
"Michael hasn’t carried out a proper low-fuel qualifying run, but Nico (Rosberg) had a go with lower fuel"
QUOTE (merschu @ Mar 2 2010, 13:34)
Ross Brawn interview on the official f1 website
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10481.html
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10481.html
QUOTE
Q: When do you realistically expect to start winning races?
RB: Bahrain. Our objective is to start in Bahrain. Once we see where everybody is, we’ll see what sort of task that we have to carry out and how we need to react. Our target is always to win the next race. And the next race is Bahrain.
RB: Bahrain. Our objective is to start in Bahrain. Once we see where everybody is, we’ll see what sort of task that we have to carry out and how we need to react. Our target is always to win the next race. And the next race is Bahrain.
QUOTE (SchuOz @ Mar 2 2010, 12:40)
Interesting...
"Michael hasn’t carried out a proper low-fuel qualifying run, but Nico (Rosberg) had a go with lower fuel"
"Michael hasn’t carried out a proper low-fuel qualifying run, but Nico (Rosberg) had a go with lower fuel"
i find this extremely interesting, the interview is published today but maybe it was made on saturday? But if Michael didnt do his 1.20.7 lap on low fuel then things are completely different and good for merc
That's the spirit!
I am not sure what's going on in MGP garage, but possibly they have a new PR person, because to release every 12 hrs new, and somewhat puzzling statements is very uncharacteristic for duo Ross and Michael. I am last one to give them any advise, but if I could, then "guys, keep quiet, and drive". Maybe after Malays. we can talk again.
Heh,I think Merc/Schumacher/Rosberg fans are beginning to settle into the groove on this thread,now-I see the same rollercoaster high one day,down the next effect as on the other threads. 
Thanks for the info,Rambazamba,Timstr11 & merschu. I was under the impression that the Bahrain updates were purely to find some aero performance,a new suspension configuration is excellent news. Was a bit worried about the mechanical performance,expecting the W01 to handle poorly on the slower corners-this should help a little.
Thanks for the info,Rambazamba,Timstr11 & merschu. I was under the impression that the Bahrain updates were purely to find some aero performance,a new suspension configuration is excellent news. Was a bit worried about the mechanical performance,expecting the W01 to handle poorly on the slower corners-this should help a little.
i'm really exited about the new season. i think we are in a very good shape and at least in the top 4 of all teams. i hope the changes for bahrain are really big and we can improve the car.
QUOTE (MiPe @ Mar 2 2010, 14:07)
I am not sure what's going on in MGP garage, but possibly they have a new PR person, because to release every 12 hrs new, and somewhat puzzling statements is very uncharacteristic for duo Ross and Michael. I am last one to give them any advise, but if I could, then "guys, keep quiet, and drive". Maybe after Malays. we can talk again.
SO it seems that after all Haug was in charge of Mclaren's PR statements in the past years
I think MGP changes as we heard different things will be: new front wing, new diffuser(new floor maybe , or for sure), new suspension, new bodywork, new back wing maybe. It will be a new car. And Brawn mentioned that Schumi was in low-ish fuel run on 28.02 in F1fanatic interview: "He’ll find more time in himself because, for example, today was the first time he’s run low fuel – or low-ish fuel – so there’s those things he’s got to start getting back into." But we still don't know how much fuel other drivers have.
QUOTE (soca @ Mar 2 2010, 05:54)
i find this extremely interesting, the interview is published today but maybe it was made on saturday? But if Michael didnt do his 1.20.7 lap on low fuel then things are completely different and good for merc
Exactly. A very interesting comment.
Perhaps Michael had 10kg in the tank (3 laps worth).
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Mar 2 2010, 08:36)
I think MGP changes as we heard different things will be: new front wing, new diffuser(new floor maybe , or for sure), new suspension, new bodywork, new back wing maybe. It will be a new car. And Brawn mentioned that Schumi was in low-ish fuel run on 28.02 in F1fanatic interview: "He’ll find more time in himself because, for example, today was the first time he’s run low fuel – or low-ish fuel – so there’s those things he’s got to start getting back into." But we still don't know how much fuel other drivers have.
All seems like smoke and mirrors; article published today (Autosport) seems to suggest, that Michael hasn't run as yet in quali trim on low fuel burn. Nico R. did, according to Ross.
Everything is possible if Red Bull used fake exhaust pipe stickers to hide the actual pipe outlets on their car
QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Mar 2 2010, 15:33)
Everything is possible if Red Bull used fake exhaust pipe stickers to hide the actual pipe outlets on their car
haha yes, exactly. If that had been suggested on this board it would have been met with complete disregard... anything is possible.
QUOTE (soca @ Mar 2 2010, 13:54)
i find this extremely interesting, the interview is published today but maybe it was made on saturday? But if Michael didnt do his 1.20.7 lap on low fuel then things are completely different and good for merc
As part of the same answer,he says "He ended the third test day with the best overall time." about Rosberg..I think if the interview was done on Saturday, it would have been natural for him to have said "yesterday" instead of "the 3rd test day",isn't it?
Just guessing..
I am just saying that Schumi driving with more fuel that he needed for low fuel run(thus low-ish - meaning close to low level, but more) was old news. Today Brawn just confirmed it again. Same pictures from Geneva Motor Show today: http://twitpic.com/166u2k , http://twitpic.com/166tbd, http://twitpic.com/166tl7 ,
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Mar 2 2010, 11:05)
I am just saying that Schumi driving with more fuel that he needed for low fuel run(thus low-ish - meaning close to low level, but more) was old news. Today Brawn just confirmed it again.
All depends on how one defines 'low fuel'.
QUOTE (umapathypon @ Mar 2 2010, 10:38)
As part of the same answer,he says "He ended the third test day with the best overall time." about Rosberg..I think if the interview was done on Saturday, it would have been natural for him to have said "yesterday" instead of "the 3rd test day",isn't it? Just guessing..
Just guessing..Unless he did that interview today.
I'm surprised that the car will have as many new updates to it as have been stated. I figured just a few, but large in size, aero upgrades. Didn't Brawn say it was an efficiency increase? Mainly meaning it will be a less drag/more downforce deal. I thought they had already sorted out the first test's issue with weight distribution.
I'll be satisfied if both cars are comfortably in the top ten. Mercedes is still very competitive with the old diffuser. A new diffuser could push the team to the forefront.
If the predictions are anywhere close to reality, the team and a driver must stay in contact with first three guys all the time, if he has any chance to keep title hope alive. With that level of competetiveness, and new point system, I can't see otherwise. One unfinished race and points lost will take some luck and probably superb placings in next six races to recover loss of overall position.
Guys, do you remember JA's blog on 3rd day of Barcelona test, there is a comment on Mercedes as follow:
Rosberg set the fastest time of the day a 1m 20.686, but if you look carefully you see that this not a representative time either, the Mercedes was actually faster than that. On his hot lap, the second lap on a three lap run, Rosberg set his fastest time in only the second sector, the lap before was 2/10ths quicker in Sector 1 and on a later lap he was two tenths quicker in Sector 3, so in fact the Mercedes’ ideal fastest lap yesterday was a 1m 20.2, which is pretty quick.
As Ross said, Schumi likely didn't do the quali similation on 4th day, and if the situation of the 3rd day is like above, Nico did not show his all pace. Then the real pace of W01 is really positive. Look forward to the new pakage for Bahrain!
Rosberg set the fastest time of the day a 1m 20.686, but if you look carefully you see that this not a representative time either, the Mercedes was actually faster than that. On his hot lap, the second lap on a three lap run, Rosberg set his fastest time in only the second sector, the lap before was 2/10ths quicker in Sector 1 and on a later lap he was two tenths quicker in Sector 3, so in fact the Mercedes’ ideal fastest lap yesterday was a 1m 20.2, which is pretty quick.
As Ross said, Schumi likely didn't do the quali similation on 4th day, and if the situation of the 3rd day is like above, Nico did not show his all pace. Then the real pace of W01 is really positive. Look forward to the new pakage for Bahrain!
Is it concievable then that Ross had send out Nico R. for quali lap(s), but he ordered him to run it by sectors only? What I mean is, in the garage they talked, and in one outing for example Nico was to test sector 2, and lift in sectors 1 and 3, then on second outing test sector 1, and slow down elsewhere, etc.? Then he got the idea what can be accomplished if you put it together. Problem with my little theory of consipracy is, that rivals aren't stupid, and they can do maths too.
Man, Ross, is capable of many things, thus crazy at it sounds, who knows what the plan really was.
Man, Ross, is capable of many things, thus crazy at it sounds, who knows what the plan really was.
Some gossip from Sportbild
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- straight line/function test in Rockingham for Mercedes this week with the new package
- according to simulations the new package is worth 4 tenths in middle- and superfast turns
- Ferrari´s internal analysis says the following about the team ranking: Red Bull fastest, Ferrari 2 tenths slower than RB, Mercedes another tenth behind, McLaren 4 tenths behind RB
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- straight line/function test in Rockingham for Mercedes this week with the new package
- according to simulations the new package is worth 4 tenths in middle- and superfast turns
- Ferrari´s internal analysis says the following about the team ranking: Red Bull fastest, Ferrari 2 tenths slower than RB, Mercedes another tenth behind, McLaren 4 tenths behind RB
QUOTE (Urawa @ Mar 2 2010, 20:35)
Some gossip from Sportbild
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
I'm no fan of Franz 'the tosser' Tost (how would he know this anyway), but If true, good news for Nico.
Ferrari's analysis is interesting, IMO the Mclaren and Red Bull look two fastest at the moment and then Ferrari and then Merc. i think i dont believe a word from that sportbild 
QUOTE (soca @ Mar 2 2010, 19:53)
Ferrari's analysis is interesting, IMO the Mclaren and Red Bull look two fastest at the moment and then Ferrari and then Merc.
According to the integrated time sheet order, that's truth.
Tost´s impression might explain why Nico is much more optimistic than Michael
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Mar 2 2010, 19:51)
I'm no fan of Franz 'the tosser' Tost (how would he know this anyway), but If true, good news for Nico.
If I remeber correctly, Nico is a oversteer driver. How could Schumi not adapt to understeer car? When he drove for Ferrari, the cars always tend to be understeer.
QUOTE (Urawa @ Mar 2 2010, 20:35)
Some gossip from Sportbild
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- straight line/function test in Rockingham for Mercedes this week with the new package
- according to simulations the new package is worth 4 tenths in middle- and superfast turns
- Ferrari´s internal analysis says the following about the team ranking: Red Bull fastest, Ferrari 2 tenths slower than RB, Mercedes another tenth behind, McLaren 4 tenths behind RB
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- straight line/function test in Rockingham for Mercedes this week with the new package
- according to simulations the new package is worth 4 tenths in middle- and superfast turns
- Ferrari´s internal analysis says the following about the team ranking: Red Bull fastest, Ferrari 2 tenths slower than RB, Mercedes another tenth behind, McLaren 4 tenths behind RB
Ultimate pace or long run pace?
QUOTE (doublestars @ Mar 2 2010, 22:09)
If I remeber correctly, Nico is a oversteer driver. How could Schumi not adapt to understeer car? When he drove for Ferrari, the cars always tend to be understeer.
Not quite while Schu was driving for them.
And anyway any driver who respects himself should be able to adapt. There's no such thing like oversteer and understeer drivers.
It's just a wrong impression from which part of the car they hit the barrier with
QUOTE (Urawa @ Mar 2 2010, 19:35)
Some gossip from Sportbild
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- straight line/function test in Rockingham for Mercedes this week with the new package
- according to simulations the new package is worth 4 tenths in middle- and superfast turns
- Ferrari´s internal analysis says the following about the team ranking: Red Bull fastest, Ferrari 2 tenths slower than RB, Mercedes another tenth behind, McLaren 4 tenths behind RB
- Franz Tost says MS is struggling with the car, he hates the understeering and Nico can cope better with it
- straight line/function test in Rockingham for Mercedes this week with the new package
- according to simulations the new package is worth 4 tenths in middle- and superfast turns
- Ferrari´s internal analysis says the following about the team ranking: Red Bull fastest, Ferrari 2 tenths slower than RB, Mercedes another tenth behind, McLaren 4 tenths behind RB
Cold tracks lead to more understeer- Bahrain probably won't be that cold!
4 tenth's a turn?! Season is over! I assume it should read on medium to fast tracks?
That simulation must of been done before last saturday and sunday tests!
QUOTE (F.M. @ Mar 2 2010, 21:15)
Ultimate pace or long run pace?
they don´t go into the detail there but I guess it´s ultimate pace
MS has to cope with the car..
no excuses allowed. the car is the same for both
i doubt the rumors are true
no excuses allowed. the car is the same for both
i doubt the rumors are true
I don't see the reasons why German (tabloid) media wants to discredit Schumacher... Until now, they had been praising Michael, he he had been in the spotlight all time, while Nico was in the background. Every single news, interviews are all about Schumacher and the team, while Nico hasn't been metioned too much times yet. It's interesting, but I think Brawn didn't tell us the truth when he was asked about Schumacher's pace. It was clear that MS ran several short stints on the final day, I don't know what was the obstacle... or Brawn simply doesn't want to admit that MS is slow now. Obviously he needs more time than 6 days in an F1 car.
So yes, Nico Rosberg's time could arrive. But it depends on him if he can cope with this hard situtation...
OK, we are still talking about the pace of the car, with or without the new diffuser, but Mercedes will be an interesting team in the season even if they won't be battling for the championship.
p.s. sorry for my english 
So yes, Nico Rosberg's time could arrive. But it depends on him if he can cope with this hard situtation...
OK, we are still talking about the pace of the car, with or without the new diffuser, but Mercedes will be an interesting team in the season even if they won't be battling for the championship.
p.s. sorry for my english
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Mar 2 2010, 22:19)
MS has to cope with the car..
no excuses allowed. the car is the same for both
i doubt the rumors are true
no excuses allowed. the car is the same for both
i doubt the rumors are true
MS will cope with the car. Its in his blood. But he should be slower than his ultimate pace-3 yrs away and 41 yrs old should take its toll. But I am fully confident that he will claw some of that pace back and show us glimpses of his old magic. How much he does regain, is one of the unanswered questions of this exciting season.
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