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korzeniow
QUOTE (salamin @ Mar 11 2010, 23:08) *
wrong again

Q. You are a two-time winner here. What are your feelings about this circuit?

MS: Making it three.


Again? Where I was wrong previously?

As for quote of MS - I read it earlier but I thout of it rather like small talk, like: "green or red light light goes off", "making it three", "already in overalls", do you get my point?

He wasn't directly asked for race predictions and his team expectations.
BRK
QUOTE (dren @ Mar 12 2010, 02:59) *
I agree with that. There are a lot of little aero changes to the car. The diffusor may start more towards the front of the car allowing for a larger expansion volume. There are small winglet/vortex generators added, some removed, the exhaust covers are new, and the side wings look slightly newer. There are gurney flaps on the top deck of the diffusor. I'm sure there are more updates as well.


Exactly. Besides,it's the end-result we're all interested in (in this case a gain of a few tenths in pace),so as long as there is a definite gain,having a 'radical' design is immaterial.
Rambazamba
Let´s wait and see. Just a few hours and we should have a much better picture already.
For me a good result would be P4-P6, a podium almost sensational.
Nathan
QUOTE (TURU @ Mar 11 2010, 11:39) *
And what did you expect from BAR/Honda team (currently Mercedes), from people who produced lots of dogs and only ONE bloody fast car in their whole history ?? lol.gif
EHM, sorry, I just jumped into basher skin for a moment drunk.gif.

You must be drunk.

Different guy in charge, completely different corporate culture, very much a different team from BAR/Honda. Regardless of their history until different leadership they are the defending champions, and rarely does that happen by sheer chance.
doublestars
For me, just like many drivers and media predict, the cars of big 4 are pretty close, who knows what will happen in quai or Sunday race. Although W01 may be not the quickest one, it is very common if two drivers finish any position from 1 to 8 in the race, of course including the other three teams’ drivers.
HanD
QUOTE (TURU @ Mar 11 2010, 13:54) *
Can't see this happening because to change diffuser you have to change whole floor since these parts are connected. And to change floor means to rebuild whole car, so what would be the point of running in FP1 just to run different car in FP2 ??


changing the floor does NOT require rebuilding the whole car. almost every single team last year had an updated package where a new floor was added during the season....
korzeniow
QUOTE (HanD @ Mar 11 2010, 23:41) *
changing the floor does NOT require rebuilding the whole car. almost every single team last year had an updated package where a new floor was added during the season....


LOL

TURU meant taking whole car to pieces to fit new flor, not redesign car for new flor.
shonguiz
QUOTE (HoldenRT @ Mar 11 2010, 22:32) *
No matter which way you try to slice it, it's not good teamwork.

That wasn't the point.
h_nair47
Please...can the "Rosberg was not handed info which is why he is getting trashed" whining at least stop till he actually starts getting trashed? Funny right the guy who last raced 3 years back in a completely different car with different tyres is the one accused of not doing the sharing. rolleyes.gif

The car looks really similar to what was at Barcelona to me.
Kenaltgr
QUOTE (peroa @ Mar 11 2010, 16:51) *
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/...ock-in-bahrain/
There is a certain amount of friction inside Mercedes GP as the data of the two cars is not being shared as it is in other teams. I did not see Ross Brawn today so I have not had the chance to ask.

The MS factor ...


What a surprise, it's not like it's happened to every teammate Schumacher has had since the Benetton days. Johnny Herbert said this would happen. At least Brawn let his drivers race against each other last year.
Pathetic that Schumacher needs to handicap his own teammate.
Raelene
QUOTE (Kenaltgr @ Mar 12 2010, 13:38) *
What a surprise, it's not like it's happened to every teammate Schumacher has had since the Benetton days. Johnny Herbert said this would happen. At least Brawn let his drivers race against each other last year.
Pathetic that Schumacher needs to handicap his own teammate.



have you even bothered to take note of what Rosberg said regarding the sharing of information?

No didn't think so, you'll just believe someone that even noted at the bottom he hadn't asked....

Spa One
QUOTE (shonguiz @ Mar 11 2010, 18:27) *
Awesome



Thats a sweet helmet!

Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Spa One @ Mar 12 2010, 14:18) *
Thats a sweet helmet!

Looks just like Button's Race of Champions one, actually.
Zdeus
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Mar 12 2010, 04:17) *
LOL

TURU meant taking whole car to pieces to fit new flor, not redesign car for new flor.


And what makes you think its not possible to "dismantle" and "reassemble" a car within 24 hours ? Its been done so many times and its possible. IF there is so much at stake with new parts, a team will already know what operational challenges are waiting.

THe sentiment for the past few pages here is basically a group of people hoping that Mercedes sucks and hence all these reasons and a group that is overly hopeful that there is something radical.
ivand911
At the start of the new season I want to wish to all MGP fans to have very good and strong season. And lots of good memories. Lets enjoy it.
KiloWatt
QUOTE (ivand911 @ Mar 12 2010, 08:47) *
At the start of the new season I want to wish to all MGP fans to have very good and strong season. And lots of good memories. Lets enjoy it.


+1 up.gif
FlashMaster
Diffusor still looks the same ... arghz
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (FlashMaster @ Mar 12 2010, 18:14) *
Diffusor still looks the same ... arghz

Minor changes can have massive consequences. It doesn't have to be dramaticlly different in order to be efficient.
Rambazamba
On Sky Germany they said 3 huge boxes with, likely, new front wing parts arrived yesterday evening at MGP.
MrAerodynamicist
The BBC commentators were suggesting that Michael wasn't a happy bunny...
rog
QUOTE (MrAerodynamicist @ Mar 12 2010, 09:47) *
The BBC commentators were suggesting that Michael wasn't a happy bunny...



Rosberg was in all their short runs faster than Michael. We will see what happens later today.
meddo
QUOTE (Spa One @ Mar 12 2010, 04:18) *
Thats a sweet helmet!

All dressed up and nowhere to go
ivand911
They used in FP1 the new front wing from Barca.
David1976
What a gutter. Michael's off the pace, no gargantuan diffuser and very little in the way of updates for the Mercedes....
Captain Tightpants
Does anyone know what Mercedes' supposed new sponsor is, the one that had never been involved in Formula 1 before and only joined up because of Schumacher's return? Or was that just a load of BS made up by the press?
Galko877
QUOTE (MrAerodynamicist @ Mar 12 2010, 10:47) *
The BBC commentators were suggesting that Michael wasn't a happy bunny...


Well, if he is genuinely slower than Rosberg and by that much then of course he shouldn't be happy. It seems understeery cars are really a problem for him. It would be nice to have him on top right away, but honestly, it was a big possibility that he might run into problems at the beginning. But he will work on it, I'm sure, so it will be interesting to see if and how he will be able to turn the tables during the season.
r4mses
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Mar 12 2010, 10:10) *
Does anyone know what Mercedes' supposed new sponsor is, the one that had never been involved in Formula 1 before and only joined up because of Schumacher's return? Or was that just a load of BS made up by the press?


Mercedes' new sponsor kinda vanished as did Sauber's rumoured deal with Nestlé/Nespresso... I'm afraid both have just been made up press-blabla. :/
FlashMaster
We're the slowest car on straights if you exclude the new teams! ouch
Pizdek
MS is probably eating his tyres right now... lol.gif down.gif
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (r4mses @ Mar 12 2010, 20:25) *
Mercedes' new sponsor kinda vanished as did Sauber's rumoured deal with Nestlé/Nespresso... I'm afraid both have just been made up press-blabla. :/

Yeah, and the whole "Petrov has money from Gazprom and Sberbank" thing ... though now that Lada are on-board, Eric Boullier has apparently been quoted as saying they are indeed talking with Gazprom and "several Russian banks" for sponsorship, which would go quite nicely on those bare sidepods.

I guess the notion of a new sponsor for Mercedes just seemed believeable compared to some of the crap that's been put out. Virgin supposedly don't have a big enough fuel tank, but that rumour seems to stem from the fact that they never got a full race distance of testing in during the off-season. And Hispania supposedly never showed up, but that was because they kept their doors closed. And now Joe "I'll-print-anything-I-hear-if-it-means-I'll-get-people-reading-my-blog" Saward is reporting (read: starting) rumours thatRenault will change their name to Lada F1.
soca
well, the first session didnt look that good but its just free practice, and when Michael did the first flying laps then the camera showed Ross and he had face like "Oh god, are we really that slow?", but like i said its just free practice lets hope we can see a better second session smile.gif
doublestars


What do you guys think the front wing?
anakin
Let's take it easy.

We can't know for sure on what fuel loads and setups Michael and Nico were running.

On a positive note, after all the fears, MGP seems to be the third best team currently after Ferrari and McLaren, though it's still early to tell.
anakin
QUOTE (doublestars @ Mar 12 2010, 09:54) *


What do you guys think the front wing?


Seems to be the latest version used in Barcelona during winter testing.
Disgrace
From Darren Heath on Twitter.

"Mercedes were a whole lot nicer when they were Brawn. Mechanics pushing snappers, MSC ranting in the car. So, so predictable."

RIP Brawn GP. frown.gif
Galko877
QUOTE (Disgrace @ Mar 12 2010, 12:26) *
From Darren Heath on Twitter.

"Mercedes were a whole lot nicer when they were Brawn. Mechanics pushing snappers, MSC ranting in the car. So, so predictable."

RIP Brawn GP. frown.gif



F1 journalists trying to find ANY reason to bash MS. So, so predictable. tongue.gif
Disgrace
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Mar 12 2010, 11:28) *
F1 journalists trying to find ANY reason to bash MS. So, so predictable. tongue.gif


He's an F1 photographer...?
eoin
QUOTE (Disgrace @ Mar 12 2010, 10:26) *
From Darren Heath on Twitter.

"Mercedes were a whole lot nicer when they were Brawn. Mechanics pushing snappers, MSC ranting in the car. So, so predictable."

RIP Brawn GP. frown.gif


Amazing. A team were happier when they were 1s ahead of everyone than when they are 1s off the pace!
Galko877
QUOTE (Disgrace @ Mar 12 2010, 13:30) *
He's an F1 photographer...?



I know. In my country photographers are called "photo REPORTERS", hence I called him loosely a "journalist".
Galko877
QUOTE (eoin @ Mar 12 2010, 13:34) *
Amazing. A team were happier when they were 1s ahead of everyone than when they are 1s off the pace!



Yeah, that too. lol.gif
RedBaron
Waahh wahhh a photographer didn't get his shot because mechanics are too busy on day 1 of a massive season to have people wandering about the garage.

What a moronic tweet.
dren
Nico up top now. The car looked real twitchy with Michael in it when he was going for quicker times.
FlashMaster
Rosberg was 3-5ths a lap faster doing short stints but I couldn't see a difference between them doing longruns
ivand911
Not so bad result from FP2.
Rambazamba
Looks quite good but I still don´t know more than after Barcelona stoned.gif
FlashMaster
Nobert Haug on Sky:

-Our focus was the race performance but we also ran lighter
-Rosberg is doing very good
-Michael needs time but his longruns were really good
merschu
Schumi is not doing a bad job for a guy who has not driven a f1 car for the last three years..!..and over that he is still not totally comfortable with the car and hopefully after analyzing todays data they will be able to make improvements on the car for schumi to become more comfortable with it.
The Heel
any changes on the car? or are they really waiting until fp3?
Rambazamba
I´m a bit surprised that the top speed is still really low, especially Michaels. Only the guys of the new teams are slower.
BRK
Like I said on the FP thread,I think MS has done pretty well for a 41 year old returning to racing after three years. Not that that's going to be used as an excuse,but three years is an awfully long time-once he's back in the groove,gets used to the car and the pressures of a GP weekend,I think he'll do just fine. Testament to his abilities that he's running at the front already. smile.gif

Watch his body language in the videos,that man is on fire on the inside-I think he really,really wants to get back to being the dominant Michael Schumacher we all know and remember so well.
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