You guys see how Ross pitted Schumacher first? that was disgusting! he actually sacrificed Rosberg's P4 by doing that because Lewis was gonna gain 2 seconds on him and jump him.

Very very very very unfair call.

I am not sure Ross know when Hamilton will stop? And Rozberg loose time waiting Button to pass on pit lane to come out of his pit(maybe 1-2 sec).

Not really.


Ross was reacting to McLaren bringing Lewis in, as Lewis was behind Rosberg, Rosberg had already gone past the pit entrance and he couldn't very well as Rosberg to reverse up.
McLaren was lucky Rosberg couldn't be released due to Button

The McLaren mechanics were out. Hamilton was being blocked by Rosberg, pretty clear Hamilton was pitting first, he was ahead on track.

Rosberg did lose a reported 2 tenths waiting for Button. But in reality Rosberg had already lost the position because Hamilton pitted first and gained 2 secs per lap from it. Hamilton did purple sectors then fastest lap of the race at the time.

Rosberg = Barrichello = sacrificial lamb.

Why? Lets not forget that this is BAR on a tighter budget with a smaller number of people. Last year they started with a 6-7 tenths advantage for reasons that we all know. By the end of the season they had lost all of that advantage and were slower than both Redbull and McLaren. IMO they don't have the personal or the resources to compete.

yea and if he called in rosberg first and then hamilton didnt pit for a few laps and still went faster you would be on here claiming he should have waited before calling him in

hamiltons fastest lap of the race was almost 0.7 seconds faster than rosbergs anyway so its not as if rosberg was the fastest of the 2 drivers

And Button was stuck behind Webber? Why not pit him? And why Ross will sacrifice Rozberg 4 pos.? Even if he could stayed in front of Lewis, he could managed only 4 ,because he was slow and Vettel could stayed in pos. 3. I see it like this Macca mechanics going out, MGP reacts with his mechanics but is to late to pit Rozberg and they pit Michael?

I'm not sure about that last point at all, but continue to watch with interest whether Brawn will choose his driver to lead. Today the strategy favoured Schumie but Nico was badly held up by Button's arrival in pitlane. Much worse than the 0.2 mentioned elsewhere - more like 2 seconds, crucial. Still I was pleased as it released Hamilton to show his true pace even if I am a Rosberg believer. Clearly the car had no race pace as Nico's best was 2 whole seconds slower than Alonso's even though he spent much of the race in clear air, and Michael had no answer either. Still it looks less of a mountain to climb than McLaren had last season even if Ferrari look like they might run away with it.

1. Had Rosberg pitted before Hamilton he would have extended his lead. Remember, cars are FASTER on new tyres.

2. Had Rosberg staid in front of Hamilton after pitstops, Lewis would never have passed. No top car did ANY overtaking (of a healthy car) today, 0.7 seconds is not enough.

Team error cost Mercedes today, and I hope they realize this. May have been a honest mistake, but in every other team the first placed driver stopped first.

So Ross is getting old too. Strategy master didn't react quiclky enough and team lost podium finish.

Rosberg was under threat from Hamilton(2 points), Schumacher was under threat from Button both Webber which would of cost the team 4 points.

Can we avoid conspiracy theories after the first race? Neither driver is going to fighting for the WDC so there is no point in Ross Brawn favouring any driver, especially the one that was slower all weekend.

Webber was definitely behind Vettel and came in first.

Webber in lap 16, Vettel lap 17

lewis would simply had clean air to pull out 0.7+ seconds on rosbergs outlap and then probably the next lap aswell while rosberg was still getitng his tyres and breaks back up to temprature, he then would have pitted and came out infront.

rosberg pitting before or after hamilton wouldnt have made much difference when hamilton was clearly so much faster

the better the car, the smarter looks the strategies you select
the slower the car, the older you seem to get

They were not sure who will come first from Maccas, ideal would be Nico to come before/or with Lewis(and Lewis to pass him in the pit?) and Michael with Button and Webber. But I think Button pass Webber in the pit? If they both passed Michael in the pit? MGP would have 4(or5) and 8 place. Not better than 5 and 6. Also Rozberg would never take 3 place because he didn't have the speed to catch Vettel. You see what happened. A lot of if. The problem with the speed was because car setup for the race was not good. Because the rules a stupid(setup for Q3 and the race). I hope they learn a lot of this first race, see some things that other teams do. With compromised setup other cars were better. They need to find better balance and to improve a lot. I hope other teams don't have some smart height adjuster. Because we don't have one. As a whole MGP made lot of wrong assumptions. And they have to start to do it right.

Ah, my mistake. Still, the norm will be for the leading driver to pit first - had for instance Ferrari brought Massa in first, he would've won the race.

Drivers were setting green or purple sector on their outlaps. First complete lap with new tyres were roughly 2 seconds faster than their previous best. I'm 95% sure Rosberg would've been able to hold his position.

But yes, I still say we can't claim favouritism yet, but if I was Nico I would keep an eye on this. And, I would make it pretty clear at the debriefing that a strategy error cost him.

I am asking for the third time- How Ross will know when Lewis will come in the pit? To know when to pit Nico. Maybe they have this strategy from the start. Michael come in 15 and Nico in 16 lap. Lewis can easily go to the pit in 13 or 14 lap or 18th lap. This was learning race. Or Lewis can be easily 1-1,2 sec. faster than Nico if he was staying on the track. We will never know. The MGP drivers take the maximum in this race and they were lucky to beat Button and Webber. Because in the moment 7 and 8 a their places.

There are still a number of races and we have only seen their performance on one track, so there is still a good chance to go for the WDC for Mercedes. It all depends on how they can improve the car as the season progresses. Until they can fight for race wins, they need to string together a series of good point finishes.

What a terrible race performance, even Liuzzi and Barrichello had faster lap times over the race most of the time. But we had a better Qualifying. Around 1 second slower than Ferrari and Vettel. 2 seconds on the fastest lap time, Topspeeds looking slow compared with other Mercedes engine teams. What has Brawn/Mercedes done with their development of the car during the winter? Diffuser almost the same, nose the same, front wing the same over the whole winter tests excluding the last Barcelona days. No big changes to their car in Bahrain. What happened with their new diffuser, with their more efficient front wing over the new one?

I cant see Schumacher sticking round for year 2 just drive round in 6th with no hope of overtaking this year. It would of been worse had Button and Webber not been stuck behind him. They are way down on the race fastest lap like 12th or something not good considering they said there race pace was going to be better.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.php?p...catID=1105-4456
Force India and Williams were with soft tire in their second stint and with lower fuel level is normal to be quick than MGP. Not sure about Torros.

as has been mentioned before THOSE THAT DID NOT GET INTO THE TOP 10 STARTED THE RACE ON HARD TYRES SO THEY HAD NICE SOFT TYRES WITH LOW FUEL TOWARDS THE END OF THE RACE OFCOURSE THEY DID FASTER FASTEST LAPS.
sutil also started on hards

Autosport

It seems that MB diffuser, as well as McLaren's, might well have to be changed.

Schumi: Pecking order can change quickly

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6028191..._medium=twitter

A lot can change after the first few races. I expect Mclaren to catch up quickly. I also hope Mercedes does, but we'll see what happens.

Seems that he mistakes Mercedes with Ferrari

But theoreticaly evertyhing is possible.

yeah theoretically even Robert could be competetive this season. Mercedes will be strong, he is right.

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6027937...resh-as-a-daisy
Fry: Schumi as fresh as a daisy
This is the main thing .

This is not a thread about Robert, but if you want discuss about it I invite to appropriate thread.

About Mercedes development pace - I didn't noticed any in last year, and years before...

Erm ...

erm.....
how convenient of you to not add the last bit.....

Oops, really missed it. Still I only wanted to point that the car behavior is not what he's been used to. Nothing more.





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Now I am trying to remember what sizes were the tyres when he came to F1 .?.

korzeniow, Michael is also old and he thinks he have 7 WDC. And how they call the people going in other teams threads and joking with their drivers? We don't care about Robert and this is why we are not doing to appropriate thread. Good luck with your team and driver. You call this "Seems that he mistakes Mercedes with Ferrari " discussing?

No it isn't, you are right. respect to Robert. You got the post to remind you of your adolescent (and unintelligent) remarks about Merc and MS. I would say MS is completely aware what developement rate Ross Brawn can acheive from their 1 and a 1/2 decades together, so don't fool yourself: the developement rate will be quite high. Please don't bother to answer, I won't.

respect.

seems impossible to find out all i could fine was 18inch wide rear tyres that were reduced to 15 inches wide in 93 (schumacher stated in 91)

i cant find any mention of the fronts

You are right. Maby I get carried away. But there was some poit too (Barkley's development pace).

But I'm not here only for joking and not all my comments are that. Mercedes is our closest rival at he moment (the one to beat) so I will be visiting this thread right up to Renault beats Mercedes in development (and I'm not saying that will do that for sure).

I also check this thread because coments are often amusing - but I realize that you are fans of MB so it's normal to overreact and be way too optimistic, nevertheless it's funny.



I'm not one of Schumi's haters so you won't find single one of my post that is adolescent/disrespectful/ridicule about Schumacher

You see, I have diffrent opinion about Merc's development and it's not based solely on team boss name.

korzeniow, to give you little help for you thread,this is MGP diffuser: http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery...1mar/104wri.jpg
The MGP diffuser you show there is actually McLaren's. And I don't see big hole in MGP diffuser that need to be closed?

Thanks, I corected my post.

But photo you linked is in wrong angle and has to small resolution to have good view on starting hole. Maby later I will find some time to look for better picture.

Well, the thing is that the rules state that the following: "A single break in the surface is permitted solely to allow the minimum required access for the device referred to in Article 5.15. (the starter motor)"
The hole in the Mercedes diffuser is larger than the "minimum required one" (same for Renault and McLaren). However, the rules don't stipulate what that minimum is, and that's the problem with declaring them legal or not.

Mercedes hopeful it can catch leaders

"The performance of the car clearly does need work, and it is not in any particular area. The engineering debrief that I have listened to is that there are lots of little things that need improvement but they are things we can do.

"There is not an issue inside the team of, what do we do? We know exactly what we have got to do, and there are plans in place to achieve that."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82172


i really hope that they know exactly what to do, if they don't, we're screwed

This is exactly what I said before - Mercedes does not have the resources or talent to keep up with the likes of mclaren and ferrari. They got a huge headstart on the BGP001 which is why it dominated the field. They don't have that luxury now and will be midfielding till the end. Just my 2 cents.

Probably true. It was pretty clear from Schumacher's and Brawn's comment's in the pre-season that they had made a big mistake with the design of the car. My guess is that we will see a B car for the start of the european season. If that fails to close the gap they should stop all development and just move on to next years car.

Q: What changes can be made to the car?

Schumacher: "You can do a lot on the aerodynamics. You can change the design of the monocoque, or build a completely new car - but that would also be misplaced. That would be a lot of waste too much time and energy. Now it's really just a question of working in a wind tunnel at some optimizations. We need to accelerate the development process so that we can catch up someday."

http://translate.google.de/translate?u=htt...l=&ie=UTF-8

They never mention the car has a big mistake with the design in the pre-season test. They always insist that the car has a good base, despite they have not made it as fast as others. In Bahrain, they just get the latest version of the car, all the new upgrades need re-set and adaptation may be the key issue of lacking pace. I just hope the real gap between front and us is not big as we saw in the race.

Clear to see Schumacher was very much right about the capabilities of the car when questioned about this a short while ago - before "rephrasing".

Just reading between the lines. Brawn said they weren't where they thought they would be which would imply that the car wasn't giving the performance that the windtunnel/CFD numbers were predicting. In contrast 12 months ago he was saying the performance was what he had expected.

Actually Mercedes has more resources than Ferrari(leaving out Fiat) and Mclaren combined if you look at the parent company sizes...but resources are alone not enough or you would not have seen Toyota exit in disgrace.

The car is not special,it happens to the best of them.Big deal.

What to expect from the car with last year aerodynamics? What they really designed for this year? We hear only promises for updates, we will hear them all year. For me they really don't have good aero people there. Last year was because diffuser, Brawn steal other people title(RBR). Even last year aerodynamics of the car was poor with this slope nose. They didn't learn anything? They a going after wrong concept 2 years. If they can't make it , OK ,just copy others then. Don't be stubborn ass. How we will know if they even change the floor of the car, don't think so. Sorry, but small changes of something don't change this think in general. "Small changes will have big impact" BLAH BLAH BLAH. But ,I still have my fingers crossed for Schumi. They are only one from the big teams that didn't get WD right. Maybe they forgot that front tires will be narrow. And winter tests really give good indication of pecking order ,but we were just delusional. This is why rumors about big investor didn't materialize, they understand early that car will be not front runner. This happen in the moment when MGP make Schumi to change his opinion of the car.