WorldChampion
Nov 16 2009, 21:09
Well I think it is the time to place Ross Brawn alongisde Enzo Ferrari and Colin Chapmann as the new legendary team leader. Enzo was legend because of his determination and style and huge legacy that he left behind. Colin was legendary innovator and rule bender. Ross can be considered as a legendary tactician, both on the race field and bussenis field.
Look here, he had a role in Alan Jones title wining, He had huge role in Benetton WCC and Schumacher WDC in mid 90s, also he had a huge role in Ferrari mega sucess in late 90 and early 00, But he is having a huge role right now in mercedeses full comeback since mid 50s and will most certanly have a huge role in their possible domination in upcoming years. But he was the man that rescued Honda's sinking ship, not only that he wea overssing car developement but he saw the loophole in DDD rule, also he turned down Virgin, when 99,99% would accept any offer from Branson, he told him to stick his money where the sun doesnt shine, and he knew the BIG FISH will bite, and it did.
RESPECT, True genious.
V8 Fireworks
Nov 16 2009, 21:13
Brawn is just a manager who is very astute.
Tauranac and Brabham etc are F1 team leader legends
aditya-now
Nov 16 2009, 23:31
Soon giacomo will come around and crown Ross Brawn the king of F1!
ex Rhodie racer 2
Nov 16 2009, 23:45
He´s a very very clever man. He´s also very modest and determined. A lot of fine qualities.
FlatOverCrest
Nov 17 2009, 00:14
Fully agree Rhodie...
The guy is WORLDCLASS!

So nice to see someone involved at the highest level of motorsport that is still down to earth and does not have his head shoved up his own backside!
GerardF1
Nov 17 2009, 01:24
Ross Brawn is a very good team manager. Gets the right people for the right job and makes it work.
Not sure if an efficient office manager is a legend.
No doubt Benz would have not bought the team if not for him but he did not personally figure out the DDD lol
AndreasF1
Nov 17 2009, 01:47
QUOTE (GerardF1 @ Nov 17 2009, 07:24)

Ross Brawn is a very good team manager. Gets the right people for the right job and makes it work.
Not sure if an efficient office manager is a legend.
Legends are made over time. RB became famous with MS successes. His accomplishment with Brawn GP and the sale to Mercedes is the stuff legends are made off. To call him an efficient office manager is an insult and in 20 years people will have a much higher appreciation for this amazing legend in the making.
QUOTE (WorldChampion @ Nov 16 2009, 16:09)

Well I think it is the time to place Ross Brawn alongisde Enzo Ferrari and Colin Chapmann as the new legendary team leader. Enzo was legend because of his determination and style and huge legacy that he left behind. Colin was legendary innovator and rule bender. Ross can be considered as a legendary tactician, both on the race field and bussenis field.
Look here, he had a role in Alan Jones title wining, He had huge role in Benetton WCC and Schumacher WDC in mid 90s, also he had a huge role in Ferrari mega sucess in late 90 and early 00, But he is having a huge role right now in mercedeses full comeback since mid 50s and will most certanly have a huge role in their possible domination in upcoming years. But he was the man that rescued Honda's sinking ship, not only that he wea overssing car developement but he saw the loophole in DDD rule, also he turned down Virgin, when 99,99% would accept any offer from Branson, he told him to stick his money where the sun doesnt shine, and he knew the BIG FISH will bite, and it did.
RESPECT, True genious.
Best move of his career was telling the "Rebel Billionaire" to shove it. Bronson is such an ass.
Brawn is genius on all aspects of Grand Prix Engineering, Rule Interpretation and driver identifier. He has it all.
QUOTE (vmk @ Nov 16 2009, 20:43)

No doubt Benz would have not bought the team if not for him but he did not personally figure out the DDD lol
Who came up with the DDD then?
I assume an engineering team who reported to him?
EthanM
Nov 17 2009, 02:13
DDD aside, the deal Ross pulled is legendary even from a entrepreneurial point of view. He bought the team for nothing, got Honda to effectively pay for the team's running costs for a season, risked pretty much none of his own capital, won both championships and is cashing out in less than 8 months (Honda deal was finalized in March 09 right?)
Technical skills aside you got to admire that acumen.
KWSN - DSM
Nov 17 2009, 06:21
Should we not throw in that he penned an World Championship winning sportscar as well?
Ross Brawn is all that anyone would want in a team manager, able to see the big picture, able to see talent and stroke it which ever way that talent needs to be stroked, not falling into a trap of thinking that a winning driver is by default a great driver.
He may not be a legend (yet), but he has firmly established himself as a very very good manager of teams, tech departments and strategizing.
stevewf1
Nov 17 2009, 06:31
Well, a chassis called a "Brawn" won the F1 Constructor's Championship in its first (and now) only attempt... So, he must be doing something right.
e34fanatic
Nov 17 2009, 06:43
One of the Top Motorsport Leader of all time! He really has designed (or being the leader of the team that designed) cars that were quick from the word go. Quite often people didn´t realize how competetive these machines were. 1991 Group-C Jag was one of those cars. It really made Peugeot look ancient and that machine was only six months earlier really futuristic. And Jag was fast, Teo Fabi became World Champion with that. Then he designed Benetton B192. Michael Schumacher qualified that car in front-row in the very first race. There was no need to "dial the car in". And that´s been pretty much the case with Ross cars ever since.
WebBerK
Nov 17 2009, 07:39
Don't forget Rubens role in Brawn's success.
Rubens was the one to lobby Brawn hire along the Honda staff for the team leadership position.
Rubens tried to do a Schumacher, just like when MS brought all his Benetton staff to support him at Ferrari.
But of course it didn't work.
The most amazing thing is that with just some months in the team, Ross decided to shift focus to the next season car and the Honda board sold the team to him, trusting the duty to make the team survive and sustain the jobs - instead of Nick Fry, that has been there for ages.
shonguiz
Nov 17 2009, 16:23
He's trully clever.
eff1fan
Nov 17 2009, 17:05
QUOTE (WorldChampion @ Nov 16 2009, 16:09)

Well I think it is the time to place Ross Brawn alongisde Enzo Ferrari and Colin Chapmann
No question that Brawn is quite possibly the best in his field right now - but it's crazy to compare him to either Ferrari or Chapman.
Give the man a chance...
D for desire
Nov 17 2009, 17:23
Ron Dennis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ross Brawn
QUOTE (D for desire @ Nov 18 2009, 02:23)

Ron Dennis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ross Brawn
Very brief introduction to very long career on this BB?
Biggles Flies Undone
Nov 17 2009, 17:45
"By rough estimates, presuming that he held a majority stake in Brawn GP, he must have personally made around £30 million this year from taking on the team from Honda for £1 and then reselling it nine months later."
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/Ross Brawn= legendary businessman
As if his accomplishments in F1 prior to 2009 were not enough, in its first and only year in F1, Brawn GP won both the WDC and WCC. That is setting the bar awfully high. His legend will no doubt grow as the years go by.
Sure he is a legend. He should have got a MBE right now.
If he lets Button go - then he is a bit of an idiot imho.
NineOneSeven
Nov 17 2009, 19:49
He is a Legend in the true sense... his name Brawn will go down in the F1 history books. Not just for the Brawn F1 success but everything he's done up to this point.
I have also show my respect for Nick Fry. He took alot of stick but in the end he delivered what he said he would. The structure and organisation to win... totally redeemed himself.
I am a Brawn fan... not hot on Mercedes though.
The Ragged Edge
Nov 17 2009, 19:52
His results speak for themself. He is a cut above the rest, i give him that. Even though Brawn and Newey are in different fields, I must give the nod to Brawn. Managing a shambles of a team that was Honda and winning both world titles? That takes some doing.
Ghostrider
Nov 17 2009, 20:11
Ross Brawn, pure quality.
TennisUK
Nov 17 2009, 20:38
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Nov 16 2009, 23:45)

He´s a very very clever man. He´s also very modest and determined. A lot of fine qualities.
For once I am very inclined to agree with you
QUOTE (MinT @ Nov 17 2009, 13:03)

If he lets Button go - then he is a bit of an idiot imho.
More like if Button let Brawn go because of pure greed and insecurity about being valued would be an idiot move.
But, anyway, Brawn's legend is definitely still in the making. While I wouldn't compare him to Enzo Ferrari himself he certainly is up there with the prolific team bosses of the past.
zepunishment
Nov 17 2009, 21:14
he'll be thought of as a legend in years to come no doubt...lets remember that very few are legends in their own time.
Tenmantaylor
Nov 17 2009, 21:14
Couldnt agree more with the OP. No individual team member has been so instrumental in F1 in the modern era. People knew how important Ross was on the pit wall whilst with Schumacher at Ferrari and Benetton but this year he's proved beyond a reasonable doubt he's the most talented manager, engineer and team owner in the cut throat business that is F1. In the last year of the big constructors and the first big rule change for over 10 years Ross has pulled a masterstroke to beat all comers and has earned every penny of the Mercedes money through his hard work, commitment and pure genius
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