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Mia 01
QUOTE (hobbes @ Nov 20 2009, 18:36) *
I thought MS simply changed his role as at Ferrari and now he is involved in developing road cars only. Wasn't this planned some time ago?


MS spokeswoman, Sabine, says he will not race in F1 next year.
robracer
QUOTE (glorius&victorius @ Nov 20 2009, 16:58) *
i just listened to EJ interview on bbc website... he seems to base all his thinking on having witnessed Mercedes Chief, Ross and MS in "deep conversation".... wonder whether that can all be extracted from witnessing a deep conversation... but then again.. what else could that deep conversation be about.. perhaps something other than F1...?

let's say for now its EJ speculating... and i'll just wait and see... but i dont see MS being unfit for the drive. it would be the incredible MS at work if he comes back...


Maybe they're just friends catching up.
BullHead
Crazy... drunk.gif This has to be the best silly season in a decade! Why would EJ know anyway?
Mandzipop
Look at EJ's timeline of events. Its already certain that Nico signed a while ago so there was only one seat available at Merc. This meeting took place in Abu Dhabi, which was before they found out that Button had gone to Mclaren. Given the outbursts coming out of Fry, this was obviously a shock. EJ is convinced that Button was pushed out, which Button implied that his reason for leaving Merc completely contradicts EJ as does the statements coming out of Merc. Why would they have been in negotiations with Schumacher if they thought they had 2 drivers? None whatsoever. EJ is only speculating to make headlines, and he has certainly done that.
robracer
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Nov 20 2009, 17:53) *
Look at EJ's timeline of events. Its already certain that Nico signed a while ago so there was only one seat available at Merc. This meeting took place in Abu Dhabi, which was before they found out that Button had gone to Mclaren. Given the outbursts coming out of Fry, this was obviously a shock. EJ is convinced that Button was pushed out, which Button implied that his reason for leaving Merc completely contradicts EJ as does the statements coming out of Merc. Why would they have been in negotiations with Schumacher if they thought they had 2 drivers? None whatsoever. EJ is only speculating to make headlines, and he has certainly done that.


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peroa
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Nov 20 2009, 18:53) *
Look at EJ's timeline of events. Its already certain that Nico signed a while ago so there was only one seat available at Merc. This meeting took place in Abu Dhabi, which was before they found out that Button had gone to Mclaren. Given the outbursts coming out of Fry, this was obviously a shock. EJ is convinced that Button was pushed out, which Button implied that his reason for leaving Merc completely contradicts EJ as does the statements coming out of Merc. Why would they have been in negotiations with Schumacher if they thought they had 2 drivers? None whatsoever. EJ is only speculating to make headlines, and he has certainly done that.


Yep!

Common people, EJ said on live telly that Ralf frickin' Schumacher for him is the perfect F1 driver or something like that.
Anybody saw that? Did you see the faces of Brundle and DC when he said that?

Either he says those things to stir some sh** or he is completely clueless and still to this day it is beyond me how this man was a team owner for so long.

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plastik2k9
QUOTE (Szoelloe @ Nov 20 2009, 16:25) *
bbc covering a story on EJ hearsay? wow.

Yeah it's odd. Let's not forget, he kindly told us all quite confidently that Massa had suffered simply a 'bash on the chin' at Hungary.
BullHead
QUOTE (peroa @ Nov 20 2009, 18:10) *
he is completely clueless and still to this day it is beyond me how this man was a team owner for so long.

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I agree, he comes across since running his team as a total tit - it doesn't make sense though. As you say how could he have achieved what he did, getting into and staying in F1 etc.? I've read his autobiography too and that doesn't match - it is a good read, but I can't place the author of that book with the tit on bbc.

Anyway, off topic I know. - Is it a pure off the head thought from him, or could he actually get to know something that is going on?
pacwest
I agree EJ is a bit of a wank, but I do believe there is fire to this smoke.

The real niggly point is what is Schumi's commitment to the road car division. Concilliatory or does Ferrari WANT him developing road cars?

If it's a gift position then the path to Mercedes is clear.
grunge
JA on the schumi to merc news

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/11/schu...-is-it-serious/

Q:How seriously should we treat Eddie Jordan’s word? Does what he says carry any weight?

A:You’ve watched him on TV this season. You be the judge.
Szoelloe
yeah, gift it is. "developing" road cars is driving them around so when they sell them they can tell the customers MS has genuine input in developement. for the next 2 years, I doubt they'll have new models, they can release him anytime if they can be persuaded by Bernie, which you can be sure is happening right now.
Phucaigh
QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 20 2009, 17:42) *
MS spokeswoman, Sabine, says he will not race in F1 next year.


She said, "never say never" but "highly unlikely".
Szoelloe
it IS highly unlikely, although it would be nice.
pacwest
Never in amillion years did i think I'd type this but I had an epiphany this afternoon.

Schumacher's return would be good for F1

*shudder*

He needs to come back and start to remove this "younger is better" trend from team owners. sure, some older drivers slow down or lose the fire. Some do not. Hiring some 18 year old kid who is driving around thinking about the model he shagged last night and when the new version of Halo is coming out needs to stop. I've seen young drivers like Kimi come into the sport and now he's burned out (some artisitc license there please). Look at button - people are saying he's at the twilight of his career. WTH?

CGB coming back would make mature drivers who CAN race have a fighting chance. It would also reduce the amount of rookie mistakes on the track. Am I dreaming of a more gentlmanly grid? Yes. Do I want safe ruthlessness? Yes.

**sorry I got off topic.
Gemini
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 20 2009, 17:51) *
Some seem to forget that EJ hired Schumi for his first drive.


I would debate who 'hired' who back then... LOL

Jordan was paid $200k to give Schumacher 1 race seat and F1 debut. Funnilly enough the money came from.... Mercedes :-)
Mia 01
Why not Mika Häkkinen?

He is closer to Mercedes than MS.
pacwest
He hasn't raced F1 since 2001 and he's not interested. Villeneuve would be a better choice honestly. And I like Mika.
Mia 01
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 20 2009, 20:33) *
He hasn't raced F1 since 2001 and he's not interested. Villeneuve would be a better choice honestly. And I like Mika.


Ahh, understand now. MS is the German bloke.
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (grunge @ Nov 20 2009, 19:53) *
JA on the schumi to merc news

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/11/schu...-is-it-serious/

Q:How seriously should we treat Eddie Jordan’s word? Does what he says carry any weight?

A:You’ve watched him on TV this season. You be the judge.


Doesn´t that sarcasism say it all..
sleenster
Another hilarious comment from James Allen about EJ:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/11/what...konen/#comments

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Q: On 5Live, Eddie Jordan said that Merc told JB he wasn’t wanted and should seek employment elsewhere. This seems to contradict what Nick Fry has claimed. Can you clear the muddied water at all?

A: Where do you start when talking about what Eddie Jordan said…?

GIBF1
Just watched the EJ interview and he contradicts himself straight away by saying Merc wanted to keep Jenson, when yesterday he was saying his sources were telling him Merc told Jenson to find employment elsewhere

He then says 'Without a doubt' that Michael willstill be able to cut it at the front, he may well do but even the most ardent and loyal Michael fan must admit it will be tough. The guy will be 41 when the season starts and has had well known problems with his neck

If he does come back it will be good for the sport and Michaels fans, but i'm not sure it would be good for Michael
pacwest
Apart from what EJ said, understand what CGB and RB have done together in the past and how Mercedes paid EJ to bring CGB on board.

You know as well as I do that Ross, Haug and Mikey are interested in the prospect regardless of what EJ says.
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Nov 20 2009, 21:00) *
She said, "never say never" but "highly unlikely".

and remember his manager's denying all the rumours that he will take massa's place only to have him confirmed a few days later.
hopefully we will se him driving
GIBF1
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 20 2009, 19:50) *
Apart from what EJ said, understand what CGB and RB have done together in the past and how Mercedes paid EJ to bring CGB on board.

You know as well as I do that Ross, Haug and Mikey are interested in the prospect regardless of what EJ says.


They may well be interested but i don't think it's in Michaels interests
femi
QUOTE (sleenster @ Nov 20 2009, 20:41) *
Another hilarious comment from James Allen about EJ:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/11/what...konen/#comments


They are both pundits who sometimes get it right and sometimes or a lot of times get it wrong.
I remember JA suggesting that the JB/Mclaren rumours were just bluffs; JB to get more money out of Brawn and Mclaren to upset them or something to that effect. But to JA's credit that was just an analysis or opinion.
GIBF1
QUOTE (femi @ Nov 20 2009, 19:53) *
They are both pundits who sometimes get it right and sometimes or a lot of times get it wrong.
I remember JA suggesting that the JB/Mclaren rumours were just bluffs; JB to get more money out of Brawn and Mclaren to upset them or something to that effect. But to JA's credit that was just an analysis or opinion.


James has his critics but i'd take his word over a lot of other journalists
Mia 01
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 20 2009, 20:50) *
Apart from what EJ said, understand what CGB and RB have done together in the past and how Mercedes paid EJ to bring CGB on board.

You know as well as I do that Ross, Haug and Mikey are interested in the prospect regardless of what EJ says.


I agree, they are interested (as we speak he is in hard training) Mika Häkkinen. Mika has no neck injury, and he fits perfectly in the team.

But on the other hand, both are separated, sort of free from family demands.

When you have reach 40+, and been out of F1 for years, as a team manager I would have picked the one who was not injured.

Sammyosammy
QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 20 2009, 21:00) *
I agree, they are interested (as we speak he is in hard training) Mika Häkkinen. Mika has no neck injury, and he fits perfectly in the team.

But on the other hand, both are separated, sort of free from family demands.

When you have reach 40+, and been out of F1 for years, as a team manager I would have picked the one who was not injured.


Couldn´t we just remember these two great rivals from the past? F1 ain´t for seniors any more.
halifaxf1fan
isn't schumacher under contract with ferrari!!?
pacwest
As someone who is the same age as Mikey, Mika and Jacques "seniors" is what pisses me off about F1 these days. I school the 24 year olds at the velodrome these days in both race craft and stamina.

That is what is wrong with F1 is that people expire not on the racing but on the circus. I would honestly think these guys could get up to speed on the cars quickly and be fast.

Hungry is hungry. Regardless of age. Sure after 45 for normal folk the reflexes are starting to take serious work to keep on the knife edge but these guys have "it".

I have heard of Mika and Erja breaking up but not Mike and Corinna. Where do you have a credible link to Mika training for an F1 return? Hearsay?
Szoelloe
to the roadcar division
Desdirodeabike
Joe Saward offers some insight into why this is the dumbest rumor so far this silly season: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/...ael-schumacher/
pacwest
QUOTE (halifaxf1fan @ Nov 20 2009, 12:10) *
isn't schumacher under contract with ferrari!!?


Not as before. He will not be attending races as a consultant. He would be working with road cars on suspension tuning and press releases etc. Adding some cachet to the sales.

I'm sure it was a gift position that would be mutually beneficial. An easy out if need be. Ferrari contracts are not worth the paper the are written on we've seen recently.
mimin
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Nov 21 2009, 02:36) *
Doesn´t that sarcasism say it all..

I remember JA said during the race in France (I forgot the year) something like "EJ certain that Jenson would drive for BAR HONDA next season". There were speculations in which team Jenson would drive because he had to vacat the seat for Alonso.

EJ was right then.
Szoelloe
QUOTE (Desdirodeabike @ Nov 20 2009, 21:18) *
Joe Saward offers some insight into why this is the dumbest rumor so far this silly season: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/...ael-schumacher/


ALthough I think it will not realize, it is not a dumb rumour at all. but that article is about as dumb as can be, with all due respect. The marketing related part is about the biggest BS I have read this year. The comeback analogy with NM is nearly on the same BS level.
This guy wrote that in about 2 and a half minutes after having a brainfart from a bottle of Glenfiddich.
BullHead
QUOTE (Szoelloe @ Nov 20 2009, 20:32) *
brainfart from a bottle of Glenfiddich.


roflmao.gif that is poetry....
GIBF1
QUOTE (Szoelloe @ Nov 20 2009, 20:32) *
This guy wrote that in about 2 and a half minutes after having a brainfart from a bottle of Glenfiddich.


Joe's a good writer and well respected but that line made me lol
hobbes
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 20 2009, 20:19) *
Not as before. He will not be attending races as a consultant. He would be working with road cars on suspension tuning and press releases etc. Adding some cachet to the sales.

I'm sure it was a gift position that would be mutually beneficial. An easy out if need be. Ferrari contracts are not worth the paper the are written on we've seen recently.


Well they matter to Ferrari and i am certain that Ferrari wouldn't allow him to race for another team even if he wanted to (while he has a contract with them). I am not saying that it is a nice thing to do, but Ferrari will only care about Ferrari.
midgrid
QUOTE (hobbes @ Nov 20 2009, 23:22) *
Well they matter to Ferrari and i am certain that Ferrari wouldn't allow him to race for another team even if he wanted to (while he has a contract with them). I am not saying that it is a nice thing to do, but Ferrari will only care about Ferrari.


True, but I imagine that Schumacher is rich enough to buy out his contract if necessary.wink.gif
pacwest
QUOTE (midgrid @ Nov 20 2009, 15:28) *
True, but I imagine that Schumacher is rich enough to buy out is contract if necessary.wink.gif


He's also smart enough that if he ends his driver's consulting role and has a new contract written up for the road car development, that HE is in the driver's seat on the contract and that there is a easy out clause.

He doesn't need the money. He does it for fun. He can walk away at any time. therefore understand that it is HE who has the upper hand, not Ferrari. I guarantee you that he could end the contract without penalty or repercussions. Why does everyone on this board think a contract MUST end when it ends. Mike would just cease to be paid and he'd walk out the door I'm sure. you think he's locked himself into a contract that he can't get out of? You think Ferrari has that kind of grip on him? No way. Todt is gone, the driving contract obligation he was under is well expired, Alonso is there now, Massa is in his last year I assume. Ferrari has milked the cow and they have moved on.
midgrid
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 20 2009, 23:43) *
He's also smart enough that if he ends his driver's consulting role and has a new contract written up for the road car development, that HE is in the driver's seat on the contract and that there is a easy out clause.

He doesn't need the money. He does it for fun. He can walk away at any time. therefore understand that it is HE who has the upper hand, not Ferrari. I guarantee you that he could end the contract without penalty or repercussions. Why does everyone on this board think a contract MUST end when it ends. Mike would just cease to be paid and he'd walk out the door I'm sure. you think he's locked himself into a contract that he can't get out of? You think Ferrari has that kind of grip on him? No way. Todt is gone, the driving contract obligation he was under is well expired, Alonso is there now, Massa is in his last year I assume. Ferrari has milked the cow and they have moved on.


I agree with what you've said; my point was just even if if there is any contractual obligation which still binds him to Ferrari beyond the road car testing role, it would still be easy for him to get out of it.
pacwest
Absolutely.

Simon Says
QUOTE (pacwest @ Nov 21 2009, 00:43) *
He's also smart enough that if he ends his driver's consulting role and has a new contract written up for the road car development, that HE is in the driver's seat on the contract and that there is a easy out clause.

He doesn't need the money. He does it for fun. He can walk away at any time. therefore understand that it is HE who has the upper hand, not Ferrari. I guarantee you that he could end the contract without penalty or repercussions. Why does everyone on this board think a contract MUST end when it ends. Mike would just cease to be paid and he'd walk out the door I'm sure. you think he's locked himself into a contract that he can't get out of? You think Ferrari has that kind of grip on him? No way. Todt is gone, the driving contract obligation he was under is well expired, Alonso is there now, Massa is in his last year I assume. Ferrari has milked the cow and they have moved on.


Indeed. What is MS going to do all day? Sit at home and drink beer all day or help Ferrari win more WDC and WCC, pretty easy question to answer since he's a part of Ferrari. But I reckon he wouldn't mind racing again, Ferrari has been hinting that to FIA that MS wants to race again and want to have 3 cars on the grid ( why did Ferrari sign Alonso again if they have MS? )

I just don't see MS driving for a rival team, sorry. If Massa deems to be unfit due to his head injury, then I see MS back in the car next year at Ferrari, but he's not going to race for Mercedes lol.gif
pramod1221
Well read this article today on Times Of India.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/...how/5254195.cms

Well if this turns out to be true, it would be an interesting to see the brains (Brawn) and the balls (Schumi) to work together again biggrin.gif
ViMaMo
QUOTE
Record-breaking multiple F1 World Champion Michael Schumacher will sensationally return to the grid with Mercedes Grand Prix in 2010 – that is the expert view of BBC pundit Eddie Jordan, the man who first gave the German his break in the top flight almost two decades ago.


www.crash.net
TOPCAT1976
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8368107.stm

This has made it on to the BBC now.....
RedBaron
QUOTE
Mercedes has played down speculation in the international media that Michael Schumacher will be driving for the newly-branded outfit next year. The 7-time World Champion, who drove for the German marque in sports cars before making his Formula 1 debut in 1991, had been linked with a full-time seat ahead of the 2010 season.

With Brawn GP becoming Mercedes GP and World Champion Jenson Button moving to McLaren, Schumacher has been tipped by several F1 insiders as the ideal team-mate to compatriot Nico Rosberg, who is also yet to be signed up for next year. Despite admitting that the possibility would be 'a dream', however, the silver arrows have revealed that a link-up with Schumacher will not happen.

"It's clear that there will always be speculation as long as one cockpit is still free," a spokesman for Mercedes, as quoted by Reuters, said on Saturday, "and some speculations are nothing but dreams which will not come true."

A notable believer of a Schumacher deal was former team owner and BBC television pundit Eddie Jordan who, like F1 commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone, believed that a deal may already be in place. With the smart money firmly on Rosberg, though, fellow countryman Nick Heidfeld is seemingly a likely candidate for the second seat.


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http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/11/21/mercedes-no-schumacher-drive-with-us/
zarooch
hmm.. so the deal is off now.
RedBaron
QUOTE (zarooch @ Nov 21 2009, 17:15) *
hmm.. so the deal is off now.


Don't let official comments shatter the dream. If anything, an absolute denial is like confirmation in F1.
Frans
"nothing but dreams which will not come true"


bunch of dreamers, didn't I say that? Hahahaha.........
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