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Jordana
QUOTE (Massa_f1 @ Dec 14 2009, 15:58) *
It would be very amusing if MS beats Ferrari if he comes back,


That would be awesome! stoned.gif

Montezemolo wouldn't find a place where to hide! roflmao.gif
athlon
QUOTE (Jordana @ Dec 14 2009, 16:33) *
That would be awesome! stoned.gif

Montezemolo wouldn't find a place where to hide! roflmao.gif


Yes, but I think Rosberg can beat him. Armstrong was great this year but he was beaten by his younger teammate. And Rosberg is a top-class driver despite he couldn't show his quality and performance with an average car... (BTW: I know, it's off: but does somebody have Rosberg's fantastic Q2 lap at Singapore?)
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (beancounter @ Dec 14 2009, 14:29) *
If he really does come back i might actually have a reason to watch f1 next season love.gif
Now here's hoping the Kimi/Redbull connection pans out as rumoured so we might have two actual racers in f1 2011. Woohoo. Hamilton is a balls to the wall driver too but he's far too much of a mediawhore to actually support... biggrin.gif


You just said it.. Actually they are MWs the whole family. I just can´t stand AH at Maccas. It reaaaaally makes me sick.

If Schumey makes a come-back there really is one interesting point to follow; MS used to build the whole team work for him and him only. Nico might not be strong enough to avoid and resist that. But his father Keke sure is.. Not a mediawhore but so very deep inside in that business with millions of contacts.

What I mean is that if MS comes back we have to line-ups to follow; FA&FM and MS with NR. That should make it funny and interesting..? In that case I hope even JB can shake a little at Maccas.. Could be a hilarious season?
athlon
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Dec 14 2009, 16:45) *
If Schumey makes a come-back there really is one interesting point to follow; MS used to build the whole team work for him and him only. Nico might not be strong enough to avoid and resist that. But his father Keke sure is.. Not a mediawhore but so very deep inside in that business with millions of contacts.
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I think Nico could learn from Schumacher. I believe Ross won't let this no:1 for him again after Austria 2002.
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 16:37) *
Yes, but I think Rosberg can beat him. Armstrong was great this year but he was beaten by his younger teammate. And Rosberg is a top-class driver despite he couldn't show his quality and performance with an average car... (BTW: I know, it's off: but does somebody have Rosberg's fantastic Q2 lap at Singapore?)



I don't know about Rosberg beating Schumi but I would have enough if Schumi beats Ferrari. clap.gif

And if Michael performs on the track as well as Lance did on the road... I would be more than happy. lol.gif
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 15:47) *
I think Nico could learn from Schumacher. I believe Ross won't let this no:1 for him again after Austria 2002.


Come on? Should we list here all the races RB dealed MS to win instead of his present team mate?
J2NH
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 15:37) *
Yes, but I think Rosberg can beat him. Armstrong was great this year but he was beaten by his younger teammate. And Rosberg is a top-class driver despite he couldn't show his quality and performance with an average car... (BTW: I know, it's off: but does somebody have Rosberg's fantastic Q2 lap at Singapore?)


You could look at that two ways. Yes Lance was beaten by his younger teammate but how many "younger" riders did Lance beat? Not a really good comparison, the closest I can think of would be to look at fighter pilots who experience higher g loading, incredible concentration challenges under physical stress, and excel into their late 40s. MS's disadvantage will be not having spent time in an F1 car that may be minimized by the redesign of the cars in 10. His other disadvantage will be the general lack of testing.

To my mind MS has less to lose by underperforming than his competitors do if he succeeds.

Should be fun.
athlon
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Dec 14 2009, 16:54) *
Come on? Should we list here all the races RB dealed MS to win instead of his present team mate?


I think it would be better to forget these cases. We don't have to be very clever to know that Schumacher was better driver than Rubinho. But 3 years could be very long period, and he is not too young. I doubt if he will be able to beat the young drivers, but I'm sure he will be running in the top 5-6 if he returns and Mercedes give him a good car.

Or this alleged Henkel-deal hijacks the Schumacher-Mercedes deal. tongue.gif
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 16:00) *
I think it would be better to forget these cases. We don't have to be very clever to know that Schumacher was better driver than Rubinho. But 3 years could be very long period, and he is not too young. I doubt if he will be able to beat the young drivers, but I'm sure he will be running in the top 5-6 if he returns and Mercedes give him a good car.

Or this alleged Henkel-deal hijacks the Schumacher-Mercedes deal. tongue.gif


If this is enough for the Legend...please be welcome..!
Nuvol
This rosbergs father talk is ever more laughable than what allen writes about schu coemback.

Great Schu is back just for one ****ing year. Rosberg would be idiot to not shut up and learn form driver like schumacher. Just look how much massa improved.
And speaking about rosberg. He indeed has a lot to improve if he wants to fight for title sometime. And personally I dont think he is WDC material anyway. Senile Schumacher gonna beat him easily smile.gif
Jordana
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Dec 14 2009, 16:54) *
Come on? Should we list here all the races RB dealed MS to win instead of his present team mate?



RB had the chance this past season and we all saw what happened. rolleyes.gif

If he could not beat Button, he can say whatever he wants about his time in Maranello but thanks to the reds, he was second in the championship a couple seasons... This past one, not even that. smoking.gif
athlon
QUOTE (J2NH @ Dec 14 2009, 17:00) *
You could look at that two ways. Yes Lance was beaten by his younger teammate but how many "younger" riders did Lance beat? Not a really good comparison, the closest I can think of would be to look at fighter pilots who experience higher g loading, incredible concentration challenges under physical stress, and excel into their late 40s. MS's disadvantage will be not having spent time in an F1 car that may be minimized by the redesign of the cars in 10. His other disadvantage will be the general lack of testing.

To my mind MS has less to lose by underperforming than his competitors do if he succeeds.

Should be fun.


Yes, on other hand, Vitali Klitschko returned as well from his retirement and he is fine, I think. Schuey has everything which can help him on the way to the top, but I wonder if 1 year will be enough.
EthanM
MS driving for Ross with Jean Todt head of the FIA. I don't want to be anywhere near this board if MS pulls off any wins next year smile.gif


Joking aside, IMO it will be definitely a good thing both for the sport and the fans if it happens, and I for one hope it does.
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 14 2009, 16:04) *
This rosbergs father talk is ever more laughable than what allen writes about schu coemback.

Great Schu is back just for one ****ing year. Rosberg would be idiot to not shut up and learn form driver like schumacher. Just look how much massa improved.
And speaking about rosberg. He indeed has a lot to improve if he wants to fight for title sometime. And personally I dont think he is WDC material anyway. Senile Schumacher gonna beat him easily smile.gif


Perhaps You got me all wrong? I really don´t find Nico as a top driver, noup! And this senile of Yours won´t beat anybody easy any more. May beat at the rifgt circumstances but easily? No!
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:06) *
Yes, on other hand, Vitali Klitschko returned as well from his retirement and he is fine, I think. Schuey has everything which can help him on the way to the top, but I wonder if 1 year will be enough.


He can always renew... One season at a time! lol.gif

Being honest, if Schumi comes back, it'l be a dream come true for me! I'm so excited about the idea! stoned.gif
athlon
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Dec 14 2009, 17:03) *
If this is enough for the Legend...please be welcome..!


First of all, everything is depending on the car.

Secondly, I think Mercedes take the bigger risk, because their image could be more destroyed by a Schumacher-flop. But this won't happen.
EthanM
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:09) *
First of all, everything is depending on the car.

Secondly, I think Mercedes take the bigger risk, because their image could be more destroyed by a Schumacher-flop. But this won't happen.




Umm why would Mercedes image suffer if MS fails? Did they build him or something? ... It's win-win for Mercedes, if he goes well great, if he fails hell they gave Germany's only WDC a swansong in F1. Don't forget all the stories 3 years ago about how MS wanted to keep racing and was effectively pushed out by Ferrari politics ;)
Nuvol
And to finish this bullshit about Rubens, people should really make a list. How many races he handed to Schu? was it more than 5? I dont think so.
athlon
QUOTE (Jordana @ Dec 14 2009, 17:09) *
He can always renew... One season at a time! lol.gif

Being honest, if Schumi comes back, it'l be a dream come true for me! I'm so excited about the idea! stoned.gif


Me too. Basically I didn't like Schumacher when he was racing in the F1. I was not against him, just I didn't like him. My opinion has changed when I read an F1 Racing issue about him. How could he turn Ferrari around. It was a fantastic story.
J2NH
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 16:09) *
First of all, everything is depending on the car.

Secondly, I think Mercedes take the bigger risk, because their image could be more destroyed by a Schumacher-flop. But this won't happen.


A flop? Even if he is just mid-field this will be a coup for Mercedes. A 7X WDC driving for the Silver Arrows. He will be the most sought after interview, get the most press coverage and in every one of those instances will be a prominent Mercedes logo. You cannot buy the kind of coverage this will bring to Mercedes.
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:14) *
Me too. Basically I didn't like Schumacher when he was racing in the F1. I was not against him, just I didn't like him. My opinion has changed when I read the F1 Racing about him. How could he turn Ferrari around. It was a fantastic story.



My case is just the opposite! I have been a Tifosa (right now I am on leave wink.gif ) and he was driving for Benetton... We could hardly get a podium finish and he was doing great and I was mad as hell! lol.gif I can`t remember how many times I wished he was driving for the reds and finally, that moment arrived and it lasted very long. Now it's a different story but he'll have all my support together with Vettel. love.gif
athlon
QUOTE (Jordana @ Dec 14 2009, 17:19) *
My case is just the opposite! I have been a Tifosa (right now I am on leave wink.gif ) and he was driving for Benetton... We could hardly get a podium finish and he was doing great and I was mad as hell! lol.gif I can`t remember how many times I wished he was driving for the reds and finally, that moment arrived and it lasted very long. Now it's a different story but he'll have all my support together with Vettel. love.gif


History repeats itself? biggrin.gif
Jordana
QUOTE (J2NH @ Dec 14 2009, 17:16) *
A flop? Even if he is just mid-field this will be a coup for Mercedes. A 7X WDC driving for the Silver Arrows. He will be the most sought after interview, get the most press coverage and in every one of those instances will be a prominent Mercedes logo. You cannot buy the kind of coverage this will bring to Mercedes.


No doubt about it... He'll be the STAR. And I'm quite positive that he'll do great!
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:20) *
History repeats itself? biggrin.gif


It could be! wink.gif
dabrasco
I can just imagine a starting three front rows of Lewis - Schumi - Alonso - Button - Vettel - Massa (in any order) clap.gif clap.gif oh what fun


imagine throwing in Kimi to that mix... we would have been spoilt
athlon
QUOTE (Jordana @ Dec 14 2009, 17:21) *
It could be! wink.gif


Or Vettel will replace Schumacher at MercedesGP in 2011. Who knows.
Jordana
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Dec 14 2009, 17:21) *
I can just imagine a starting three front rows of Lewis - Schumi - Alonso - Button - Vettel - Massa (in any order) clap.gif clap.gif oh what fun


imagine throwing in Kimi to that mix... we would have been spoilt



Wait a year... Who knows? Perhaps your dream comes true! lol.gif
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:22) *
Or Vettel will replace Schumacher at MercedesGP in 2011. Who knows.


I think Vettel is going to race alongside Kimi in 2011... wink.gif But I would not mind to see those two together... love.gif
salamin
QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 14 2009, 17:13) *
And to finish this bullshit about Rubens, people should really make a list. How many races he handed to Schu? was it more than 5? I dont think so.


I think it was just the A1 ring, and later on that season rubens got the win back in indianapolis
athlon
QUOTE (Jordana @ Dec 14 2009, 17:25) *
I think Vettel is going to race alongside Kimi in 2011... wink.gif But I would not mind to see those two together... love.gif


This dream duo could have been a Rosberg-Button for me. frown.gif
athlon
Luca di Montezemolo has told Reuters that Ferrari will not stand in Schumacher's way if he wants to race for Mercedes: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE5BD1DO20091214
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:46) *
This dream duo could have been a Rosberg-Button for me. frown.gif


Don't give up dreams... You never know what the future brings... wink.gif
Jordana
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:49) *
Luca di Montezemolo has told Reuters that Ferrari will not stand in Schumacher's way if he wants to race for Mercedes: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE5BD1DO20091214



Does he have any choice? smoking.gif

It looks like in a very near future... The Red Dream Team we be officially over! rolleyes.gif
Anssi
QUOTE (klover @ Dec 14 2009, 16:28) *
He helped Massa, alright.



Yes. And I think that actually hampered the team's efforts to achieve success. But I think the real fool in that wasn't Michael Schumacher - it was the guy who let him be there and distract the team.
pacwest
This only proves to me that everyone goes home eventually.

My old friend Tammy used to wonder why all the older people in our city drove Chevrolets. "Everyone eventually goes Chev" she quipped. Her axiom seems fitting here that even though he was a loyal Ferrari pilot/pusher, his roots run deep and he's not all about fame and fortune. Mercedes is comfortable.

This smacks of him wanting some fun and feeling comfortable. As he ages a Mercedes role is more like him. Expats usually come home and enjoy home more. I certainly did. (and by home I don't mean where his house is)

Corrina is probably happy to have had him at home for a bit but is also glad to have his restlessness solved.
pacwest
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 08:59) *
Yes. And I think that actually hampered the team's efforts to achieve success. But I think the real fool in that wasn't Michael Schumacher - it was the guy who let him be there and distract the team.


I agree. Ferrari doesn't need driver development. It needs nothing of the sort. The team is better suited to not have a person such as him in a role such as that.
Jordana
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 17:59) *
Yes. And I think that actually hampered the team's efforts to achieve success. But I think the real fool in that wasn't Michael Schumacher - it was the guy who let him be there and distract the team.


That means... Next season, no excuses at the red boxes then... He won't be there so everybody will be very concentrated on their jobs. lol.gif

lafitek
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 14 2009, 17:45) *
I think it was just the A1 ring, and later on that season rubens got the win back in indianapolis

and in USA 2005.
peroa
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 17:49) *
Luca di Montezemolo has told Reuters that Ferrari will not stand in Schumacher's way if he wants to race for Mercedes: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE5BD1DO20091214


Well, it took him/them 3 effin' years to figure that one out.
Anssi
You may of course disagree but I think he was a distraction to the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009.

He was too much respected within the team for them to really tell him to go away. He got to interfere with the decisions they made and perhaps had too much weight for his opinions.

Perhaps with the 'help' of Michael Schumacher Ferrari made a mistake of raising a driver into a #1 position which he should not have had by the level of talent and results he had shown considering his team-mate had definitely shown himself capable of winning Championships.

I see it as a great thing for Fernando Alonso if Michael Schumacher goes completely away from the Ferrari F1 team. So I think Fernando must be hoping Michael Schumacher has signed a deal with Mercedes GP already! lol.gif He can beat Michael in the race tracks but can he do it in politics? Can he beat Michael in politics in the Ferrari F1 team? I doubt it very much. Michael has too many friends in the team who will perhaps even sabotage their own team if Michael asks them to do so. It's better to wish he goes away even if it means he will be an opponent in the races.
Jordana
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 14 2009, 18:06) *
and in USA 2005.



I will never forget that podium... Tiago Monteiro went nuts! He was so happy! That was really funny! roflmao.gif
lafitek
ohh yes and what about refuelling ban is that good for schumi and ross strategies/tactics??
Jordana
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 18:13) *
You may of course disagree but I think he was a distraction to the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009.

He was too much respected within the team for them to really tell him to go away. He got to interfere with the decisions they made and perhaps had too much weight for his opinions.

Perhaps with the 'help' of Michael Schumacher Ferrari made a mistake of raising a driver into a #1 position which he should not have had by the level of talent and results he had shown considering his team-mate had definitely shown himself capable of winning Championships.

I see it as a great thing for Fernando Alonso if Michael Schumacher goes completely away from the Ferrari F1 team. So I think Fernando must be hoping Michael Schumacher has signed a deal with Mercedes GP already! lol.gif He can beat Michael in the race tracks but can he do it in politics? Can he beat Michael in politics in the Ferrari F1 team? I doubt it very much. Michael has too many friends in the team who will even sabotage their own team if Michael asks them to do so. It's better to wish he goes away even if it means he will be an opponent in the races.



So... If things go wrong... Fernando is going to be in trouble because he won't have the old guy to blame... lol.gif
Group B
QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 14 2009, 16:13) *
And to finish this bullshit about Rubens, people should really make a list. How many races he handed to Schu? was it more than 5? I dont think so.

Ssshh! You mustn't let the facts ruin a good conspiracy theory eek.gif
Sisplatin
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 14 2009, 18:06) *
and in USA 2005.

No, Schumy beat him that race
Sakae
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 12:13) *
You may of course disagree but I think he was a distraction to the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009.

He was too much respected within the team for them to really tell him to go away. He got to interfere with the decisions they made and perhaps had too much weight for his opinions.

Perhaps with the 'help' of Michael Schumacher Ferrari made a mistake of raising a driver into a #1 position which he should not have had by the level of talent and results he had shown considering his team-mate had definitely shown himself capable of winning Championships.

I see it as a great thing for Fernando Alonso if Michael Schumacher goes completely away from the Ferrari F1 team. So I think Fernando must be hoping Michael Schumacher has signed a deal with Mercedes GP already! lol.gif He can beat Michael in the race tracks but can he do it in politics? Can he beat Michael in politics in the Ferrari F1 team? I doubt it very much. Michael has too many friends in the team who will perhaps even sabotage their own team if Michael asks them to do so. It's better to wish he goes away even if it means he will be an opponent in the races.
You can't be serious even to consider such eventuality. Some of you guys need to attend some focus group to get help. I am known to possess rather low opinion of Kubica, and having anything to say about it, he would have never driven for BMW, yet I am not mental about it as some of you are about Schumacher.
highdownforce
QUOTE
When asked by Reuters if Ferrari would insist that Schumacher kept to his deal, di Montezemolo replied: "No, not binding."

QUOTE
"It's clear that if he decides to take another road our agreement will no longer be valid, that is logical," di Montezemolo told the news agency. "You can't work with a competitor and with us at the same time.

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"I still haven't spoken to him about it. He is only a dear friend, not a team member. He is a consultant for our road cars."

Autosport.com
lafitek
QUOTE (________ @ Dec 14 2009, 18:19) *
No, Schumy beat him that race

yes team favoured him through 2nd pit stop
an then the race's pivotal moment was when winner Schumacher forced Rubens Barrichello onto the grass as he re-entered after a pit-stop.....but anyway Barrichello has cut Schumacher's lead down to just 0.5 seconds, but following a message from the pits, both cars drop their pace....
only win for ferrari in 2005 and real winner was barichello!!!
Group B
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 17:13) *
Michael has too many friends in the team who will perhaps even sabotage their own team if Michael asks them to do so.

rolleyes.gif
MS7XWDC
QUOTE (athlon @ Dec 14 2009, 16:49) *
Luca di Montezemolo has told Reuters that Ferrari will not stand in Schumacher's way if he wants to race for Mercedes: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE5BD1DO20091214


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/14122009/58/...schumacher.html
Ferrari 'would let Schumacher go'
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