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sleenster
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 12:13) *
You may of course disagree but I think he was a distraction to the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009.

He was too much respected within the team for them to really tell him to go away. He got to interfere with the decisions they made and perhaps had too much weight for his opinions.

Perhaps with the 'help' of Michael Schumacher Ferrari made a mistake of raising a driver into a #1 position which he should not have had by the level of talent and results he had shown considering his team-mate had definitely shown himself capable of winning Championships.

I see it as a great thing for Fernando Alonso if Michael Schumacher goes completely away from the Ferrari F1 team. So I think Fernando must be hoping Michael Schumacher has signed a deal with Mercedes GP already! lol.gif He can beat Michael in the race tracks but can he do it in politics? Can he beat Michael in politics in the Ferrari F1 team? I doubt it very much. Michael has too many friends in the team who will perhaps even sabotage their own team if Michael asks them to do so. It's better to wish he goes away even if it means he will be an opponent in the races.


The question is, did Alonso force Schumacher out? Maybe he had a clause in his contract that states that Schumacher can't interfere in the F1 team in any way at all.... lol.gif
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 14 2009, 19:32) *
yes team favoured him through 2nd pit stop
an then the race's pivotal moment was when winner Schumacher forced Rubens Barrichello onto the grass as he re-entered after a pit-stop.....but anyway Barrichello has cut Schumacher's lead down to just 0.5 seconds, but following a message from the pits, both cars drop their pace....
only win for ferrari in 2005 and real winner was barichello!!!

did you miss the first pit stop which screwed MS?
or you forgot how rubens was leading?
The Ragged Edge
After this latest statement there could be some truth in Schumacher racing for Mercedes, has some truth to it. eek.gif
Galko877
QUOTE (Anssi @ Dec 14 2009, 19:13) *
You may of course disagree but I think he was a distraction to the Ferrari F1 team in 2007-2009.

He was too much respected within the team for them to really tell him to go away. He got to interfere with the decisions they made and perhaps had too much weight for his opinions.

Perhaps with the 'help' of Michael Schumacher Ferrari made a mistake of raising a driver into a #1 position which he should not have had by the level of talent and results he had shown considering his team-mate had definitely shown himself capable of winning Championships.

I see it as a great thing for Fernando Alonso if Michael Schumacher goes completely away from the Ferrari F1 team. So I think Fernando must be hoping Michael Schumacher has signed a deal with Mercedes GP already! lol.gif He can beat Michael in the race tracks but can he do it in politics? Can he beat Michael in politics in the Ferrari F1 team? I doubt it very much. Michael has too many friends in the team who will perhaps even sabotage their own team if Michael asks them to do so. It's better to wish he goes away even if it means he will be an opponent in the races.



Paranoid Kimi fan? rolleyes.gif
potmotr
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Dec 14 2009, 17:39) *
After this latest statement there could be some truth in Schumacher racing for Mercedes, has some truth to it. eek.gif


Yep, things are certainly heating up now.

Schumacher could be on his way back!
Galko877
QUOTE (Jordana @ Dec 14 2009, 19:17) *
So... If things go wrong... Fernando is going to be in trouble because he won't have the old guy to blame... lol.gif



That's one great thing about him leaving Ferrari. wink.gif

Actually Kimi fans were lucky to have MS around. They could put the blame on him, instead of focusing on the shortcomings of their own guy.
Panch
Seems like Alonso has made Ferrari a Schumacher-free area for him.
Galko877
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 14 2009, 19:32) *
yes team favoured him through 2nd pit stop
an then the race's pivotal moment was when winner Schumacher forced Rubens Barrichello onto the grass as he re-entered after a pit-stop.....but anyway Barrichello has cut Schumacher's lead down to just 0.5 seconds, but following a message from the pits, both cars drop their pace....
only win for ferrari in 2005 and real winner was barichello!!!



Did you see how Rubens actually got ahead of Michael? Team "favoured" him through 1st pitstop? wave.gif

As for forcing Rubens onto the grass. Rubens was simply stupid and outbreaking himself: http://auto.indavideo.hu/video/Forma-1_2005_Indianapolis
Group B
QUOTE (Panch @ Dec 14 2009, 17:43) *
Seems like Alonso has made Ferrari a Schumacher-free area for him.

That'll be one less excuse for not beating Massa then.
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (Panch @ Dec 14 2009, 19:43) *
Seems like Alonso has made Ferrari a Schumacher-free area for him.

schumacher wanted to drive..he informed luca
luca failed to get a 3rd car
schumacher left
alonso is just an employee. judging by the ending of one of his previous jobs and by the outcome of ferrari-kimi I doubt anybody would listen to a new employee..that has not yet proved anything in a ferrari
potmotr
QUOTE (Panch @ Dec 14 2009, 17:43) *
Seems like Alonso has made Ferrari a Schumacher-free area for him.


I don't think so.

I think it's more Schumacher getting a sniff of a potentially championship winning car and wanting a piece of it.
David M. Kane
Hey Nick Fry how's all those sponsorship deals doing?
Group B
QUOTE (David M. Kane @ Dec 14 2009, 17:50) *
Hey Nick Fry how's all those sponsorship deals doing?

If you absolutely must try to be amusing you'll find the matter in question being discussed in the Brawn/Merc thread.
The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (David M. Kane @ Dec 14 2009, 17:50) *
Hey Nick Fry how's all those sponsorship deals doing?


Nick Fry is the definition of the word lucky, and got wealthy whilst having no talent. Last season with a winning team, car and drivers, he failed to grab a longterm sponsorship partner, willing to pay the going rates. Any sponsors which join this year, will be done solely on the back of Mercedes joining and wanting to be associated with a brand of that calibre. Fry couldn't even manage to grab a sponsor when it was named Honda. rolleyes.gif and settled for the earthdreams logo. Nick Fry is a waste of space, but a rich waste of space at that. confused.gif
salamin
QUOTE (________ @ Dec 14 2009, 18:19) *
No, Schumy beat him that race


exactly, IIRC they had a duel after a pitstop and almost crashed, but michael got the upperhand
there was no reason to give team orders back in 05
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (peroa @ Dec 14 2009, 18:12) *
Well, it took him/them 3 effin' years to figure that one out.


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Sisplatin
It will be a Fantastic news for me "if" Schumy joins Merc next year
Already planning to vist either Spa or Monaco next year smile.gif
mistergagaX
Schumacher will win the drivers title in 2010 - no question about that if Ross and mercedes can produce a winning car -

I will be happy when Michael runs circles around his old team Ferrari in 2010 love.gif

I never liked LDM after what happened in 2006 , giving MS an ''ultimatum '' ...



So let me see , Ferrari minus Michael Schumacher, minus Ross Brawn, minus Rory Byrne and of course minus Jean Todt = midfiled championship team caliber !


Go Michael Schumacher ! Go Mercedes ! woohooo biggrin.gif
Sammyosammy
QUOTE (sleenster @ Dec 14 2009, 18:36) *
The question is, did Alonso force Schumacher out? Maybe he had a clause in his contract that states that Schumacher can't interfere in the F1 team in any way at all.... lol.gif


Eeeh, You mean did Santander force Schumi out? smile.gif
salamin
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 14 2009, 18:16) *
ohh yes and what about refuelling ban is that good for schumi and ross strategies/tactics??

well a lot depends on the engine I guess. IIRC mercedes engines need to be downgraded for the next season, but that affects not only mercedes gp
RodrigoL
QUOTE (MikeTekRacing @ Dec 14 2009, 17:47) *
schumacher wanted to drive..he informed luca
luca failed to get a 3rd car
schumacher left


Schumi wanted to drive, alongside a goodfornothing mediocre driver like Rosberg. Not Kimi, or later Felipe/Teflonso.

His fear of real competition made him screw over the team which was supposed to be 'like family'..

If his neck was fine in November, why not come back even just for a single race? There's no doubt he would have been much better than Fisi. All it would have taken is 2 points for Ferrari to beat McLaren.

But no, Schumi betrayed them. Just like he's planning to do again... Been getting tips from Tiger, maybe smoking.gif
salamin
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 14 2009, 19:22) *
Schumi wanted to drive, alongside a goodfornothing mediocre driver like Rosberg. Not Kimi, or later Felipe/Teflonso.


michael owned massa in 06, I wouldn't rate him much higher then roseberg
mistergagaX
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 14 2009, 13:22) *
Schumi wanted to drive, alongside a goodfornothing mediocre driver like Rosberg. Not Kimi, or later Felipe/Teflonso.

His fear of real competition made him screw over the team which was supposed to be 'like family'..

If his neck was fine in November, why not come back even just for a single race? There's no doubt he would have been much better than Fisi. All it would have taken is 2 points for Ferrari to beat McLaren.

But no, Schumi betrayed them. Just like he's planning to do again... Been getting tips from Tiger, maybe smoking.gif




So out of nowhere Rosberg is all of a sudden a good for nothing driver becuase his teamate is Michael Schumacher.
mimin
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 15 2009, 01:22) *
Schumi wanted to drive, alongside a goodfornothing mediocre driver like Rosberg. Not Kimi, or later Felipe/Teflonso.

His fear of real competition made him screw over the team which was supposed to be 'like family'..

If his neck was fine in November, why not come back even just for a single race? There's no doubt he would have been much better than Fisi. All it would have taken is 2 points for Ferrari to beat McLaren.

But no, Schumi betrayed them. Just like he's planning to do again... Been getting tips from Tiger, maybe smoking.gif

Yeah right
pRy
The Luca statement fits in with the story Schumacher is to visit him this week.
kr964
QUOTE (mistergagaX @ Dec 14 2009, 19:17) *
Schumacher will win the drivers title in 2010 - no question about that if Ross and mercedes can produce a winning car -
I will be happy when Michael runs circles around his old team Ferrari in 2010 love.gif


Schumi back in F1 remainds me of Lance Armstrong returning to TDF last year.
He was always close to the top but in the end got beaten fair and square by a few younger riders.
Still, it was always entertaining to watch last year Tour with the legend riding along...
salamin
QUOTE (kr964 @ Dec 14 2009, 19:53) *
Schumi back in F1 remainds me of Lance Armstrong returning to TDF last year.
He was always close to the top but in the end got beaten fair and square by a few younger riders.
Still, it was always entertaining to watch last year Tour with the legend riding along...


different people and sport
Group B
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 14 2009, 18:22) *
Schumi wanted to drive, alongside a goodfornothing mediocre driver like Rosberg. Not Kimi, or later Felipe/Teflonso.

His fear of real competition made him screw over the team which was supposed to be 'like family'..

If his neck was fine in November, why not come back even just for a single race? There's no doubt he would have been much better than Fisi. All it would have taken is 2 points for Ferrari to beat McLaren.

But no, Schumi betrayed them. Just like he's planning to do again... Been getting tips from Tiger, maybe smoking.gif

And Nico Rosberg has done what to you, exactly?

JarnoA
QUOTE (mistergagaX @ Dec 14 2009, 18:17) *
Schumacher will win the drivers title in 2010 - no question about that if Ross and mercedes can produce a winning car -

I will be happy when Michael runs circles around his old team Ferrari in 2010 love.gif

I never liked LDM after what happened in 2006 , giving MS an ''ultimatum '' ...



So let me see , Ferrari minus Michael Schumacher, minus Ross Brawn, minus Rory Byrne and of course minus Jean Todt = midfiled championship team caliber !


Go Michael Schumacher ! Go Mercedes ! woohooo biggrin.gif


More likely Michael will do a Mansell going to McLaren. Mansell was the guy who brought me to F1 at the tender age of 10 back in 86.

I cringe at the memory of my hero being too fat to fit into the car.

Michael should carry on being remembered for the most succesful F1 driver ever, not an embarrasing old man getting beaten by an also run in Rosberg.

whatto999
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 14 2009, 18:16) *
ohh yes and what about refuelling ban is that good for schumi and ross strategies/tactics??


No. Schumi isn't very gentle to his tyres.

QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 14 2009, 19:22) *
Schumi wanted to drive, alongside a goodfornothing mediocre driver like Rosberg. Not Kimi, or later Felipe/Teflonso.

His fear of real competition made him screw over the team which was supposed to be 'like family'..

If his neck was fine in November, why not come back even just for a single race? There's no doubt he would have been much better than Fisi. All it would have taken is 2 points for Ferrari to beat McLaren.

But no, Schumi betrayed them. Just like he's planning to do again... Been getting tips from Tiger, maybe smoking.gif


You're Ferrari fan. I understand it hurts...

He wouldn't be better then Fisi if he did last race, that's the point. Schumi himself admitted later that he wouldn't jump back in the car back in August when he saw it's not trivial thing at all. He wouldn't score points for Ferrari.

He was keen enough to help team, yet you return him like that?
salamin
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Dec 14 2009, 20:02) *
More likely Michael will do a Mansell going to McLaren. Mansell was the guy who brought me to F1 at the tender age of 10 back in 86.

I cringe at the memory of my hero being too fat to fit into the car.

Michael should carry on being remembered for the most succesful F1 driver ever, not an embarrasing old man getting beaten by an also run in Rosberg.


so if Mansell failed his comeback then michael is supposed aswell ?
Schue right now is fitter than Mansell ever was, you can't compare it like that
whatto999
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Dec 14 2009, 20:02) *
More likely Michael will do a Mansell going to McLaren. Mansell was the guy who brought me to F1 at the tender age of 10 back in 86.

I cringe at the memory of my hero being too fat to fit into the car.

Michael should carry on being remembered for the most succesful F1 driver ever, not an embarrasing old man getting beaten by an also run in Rosberg.


Remember Schumacher? He did everything to win. Good and bad. Do you honestly think he enters F1 again without highest aim? He can't withstand defeat!
Szoelloe
QUOTE (kr964 @ Dec 14 2009, 19:53) *
Schumi back in F1 remainds me of Lance Armstrong returning to TDF last year.
He was always close to the top but in the end got beaten fair and square by a few younger riders.
Still, it was always entertaining to watch last year Tour with the legend riding along...



well, maybe you should take a look at LA at the 2010 Tour, because he will be back on his own terms. THAT is going to be an analogue, and comparable situation.
buffbuff
I don't understand why some people (Button for example) think that this is a risk to MS's reputation if he comes back ? If he doesn't perform as expected then surely it can't take away from what he has achieved in the sport ? You can't start deducting from his 7 titles, and you can argue that at 41 his best years at peak performance have passed.

I was never a big fan of him but even if he comes back and fails to perform, I will not start thinking that he can't have been that good.

Am I alone with this line of thinking ?
Demo.
QUOTE (buffbuff @ Dec 14 2009, 19:35) *
I don't understand why some people (Button for example) think that this is a risk to MS's reputation if he comes back ? If he doesn't perform as expected then surely it can't take away from what he has achieved in the sport ? You can't start deducting from his 7 titles, and you can argue that at 41 his best years at peak performance have passed.

I was never a big fan of him but even if he comes back and fails to perform, I will not start thinking that he can't have been that good.

Am I alone with this line of thinking ?


the big problem is if he performs how he used to trying to win by punting off people left right and centre or parking in the middle of a corner then he will clearly be remembered as a cheat who was supported by the FIA not a 7 times champion
mimin
QUOTE (buffbuff @ Dec 15 2009, 02:35) *
I don't understand why some people (Button for example) think that this is a risk to MS's reputation if he comes back ? If he doesn't perform as expected then surely it can't take away from what he has achieved in the sport ? You can't start deducting from his 7 titles, and you can argue that at 41 his best years at peak performance have passed.

Am I alone with this line of thinking ?

No, I am a fan though.
Sunflower
Michael should stay away. F1 really dont need him. Alonso, Lewis, Jenson, Vettel, Massa, Sutil, Rosberg, Kabajosi (spelling i know) etc. these are the players of the future. What is he bringing to F1? He has done his time now is the time to go play with his wife and kids.

I never really liked the Ferrari dominance over the entire field. It was not good for the support and it will never be and i hope it never happens again.

The younger drivers need to be in those competitive seats not him.

If he comes back i sincerly hopes he fails miserable.
Arion
QUOTE (Demo. @ Dec 14 2009, 20:38) *
the big problem is if he performs how he used to trying to win by punting off people left right and centre or parking in the middle of a corner then he will clearly be remembered as a cheat who was supported by the FIA not a 7 times champion


That's part of his legacy anyway, so in that sense, he won't be doing any damage to his reputation. lol.gif

Arion
QUOTE (buffbuff @ Dec 14 2009, 20:35) *
I don't understand why some people (Button for example) think that this is a risk to MS's reputation if he comes back ? If he doesn't perform as expected then surely it can't take away from what he has achieved in the sport ? You can't start deducting from his 7 titles, and you can argue that at 41 his best years at peak performance have passed.

I was never a big fan of him but even if he comes back and fails to perform, I will not start thinking that he can't have been that good.

Am I alone with this line of thinking ?


Not a fan either, and I'm actually thinking there's a remote chance that he's still competitive and I will have to concede he's not human. If he turns out to be as slow as Badoer, I will roflmao.gif but he's still Schumacher, the 7xWDC. He's got little to lose.
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Dec 14 2009, 20:02) *
Michael should carry on being remembered for the most succesful F1 driver ever, not an embarrasing old man getting beaten by an also run in Rosberg.


I for one can't believe there'd be anyone who'd set higher standards for Michael Schumacher than Michael Schumacher himself. If he somehow feels and sees himself fit to compete in Formula 1, he can do it. And by "competeng in F1" Michael Schumacher should and will mean fighting for victory.
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (Demo. @ Dec 14 2009, 20:38) *
the big problem is if he performs how he used to trying to win by punting off people left right and centre or parking in the middle of a corner then he will clearly be remembered as a cheat who was supported by the FIA not a 7 times champion


I really envy You if that's your biggest problem.
salamin
QUOTE (Sunflower @ Dec 14 2009, 20:43) *
If he comes back i sincerly hopes he fails miserable.


good for you rolleyes.gif
klover
QUOTE (pRy @ Dec 14 2009, 18:48) *
The Luca statement fits in with the story Schumacher is to visit him this week.

And it fits well with Italian Tifoso sources that it was a non-binding agreement up.gif
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Dec 14 2009, 20:22) *
If his neck was fine in November, why not come back even just for a single race? There's no doubt he would have been much better than Fisi. All it would have taken is 2 points for Ferrari to beat McLaren.

because he couldn't do that
fisichella was the last driver they were allowed o sign
Sunflower
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 14 2009, 22:11) *
good for you rolleyes.gif



What will his success mean for the sport? That F1 is easy retire for 3 years and comeback and win a championship. These cars are infact easy to drive look at Vettel when he arrived he was also quick easily for a youngster.

But hey that is my opinion i dont want to see him here again give a youngster a change.
qvn
QUOTE (Sunflower @ Dec 14 2009, 14:43) *
Michael should stay away. F1 really dont need him. Alonso, Lewis, Jenson, Vettel, Massa, Sutil, Rosberg, Kabajosi (spelling i know) etc. these are the players of the future. What is he bringing to F1? He has done his time now is the time to go play with his wife and kids.

...


You may not watch F1 in July-August this year!

Edit: typo.
qvn
It seems that MS will race for Mercedes next year is true after all.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/f...15875-21895870/
Gareth
All: please can we keep the thread on the topic of Schumacher to Merc.

Thanks
FlatOverCrest
QUOTE (qvn @ Dec 14 2009, 12:57) *
It seems that MS will race for Mercedes next year is true after all.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/f...15875-21895870/


Mirror Sport was the first to reveal the Jenson move to McLaren eh?

When people discuss certain Newspapers like the Daily Mail as being trash, compared to this rag, the Mail could be constituted as an intelligent read...

But this is the second time I have seen the $20m figure bounced around.... Which would beg the question..is that figure true? Surely if they had that money to spend they would have put more effort to keep the Number 1 on their cars, or for that matter hired Kimi.... I suspect Schumi will indeed drive for Merc....but it is hard to believe this number being rumoured could be true...?
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (qvn @ Dec 14 2009, 21:57) *
It seems that MS will race for Mercedes next year is true after all.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/f...15875-21895870/


Mirror states MS would get nearly Ł20M, the highest salary on the grid.
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