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salamin
william hill changed schumchers odd from 8/1 to 15/2 (i know it's not much)
UPRC
QUOTE (Frans @ Dec 16 2009, 09:38) *
Hmmm, it wasn't the money, I can assure you thát so far.... McLaren offered almost DOUBLE the money, but NOT the No.1 status in the team he ALWAYS DEMANDS....., (which he NEEDS to keep his "image" in the sport, and actually WIN anything)

The race-winning part came with Brawn again at Ferrari ..... (all kind of technical tricks helped them awesomely of course....) And talking about Schumacher's LOYALTY ??? .... hahahahahaha.

Luca kicked him out, and then kept him on a line by keeping him as so called "consultant" but what he seemed to become was a traitor in they're mid's.... Alsonso saw this as well, for years after Kimi winning the title in that Ferrari, Michaels goal wa to deminisch Kimi's results. .... SABOTAGE HIS CAR as well!!!!! And Alsonso saw this too, he must have read this forum, no question about it, he believed the sabotage of Michael on Kimi's car was real, must be! No question about it..... He fixed it, got MS out of Ferrari, and Michael can be the traitor he really is for the Tifosi.

He may very realisticly taken for sure have stopped Kimi from getting another title in the Ferrari, and people must know this..... So Tifosi should put a bit more blame on Michael, he turns his back to them anyway.... once Ferrari, always Ferrari ... pffffft, Michael is not like that. Luca may have stabbed Michael in his back in 2006, but Michael stabbed back after 2007, 2008 and 2009 Ferrari seasons are TOTALLY influenced by Michael, and THEREFOR they did not win any title in this period. And why? Because none of those titles would be thanks to Michael Schumacher he may have the feeling..... His mentality "if not ME, then NOBODY ELSE" was the cause of this of course.....

He's about to do a Blitzkrieg on F1 with Mercedes and the former allies (ITALY/Ferrari) of Schumacher, may turn they're back on him as well, what will take a bit of his build-up media-glory during the years away.

Yes, how would his Ferrari-legend image stay alive when he's turned into an ENEMY of the TIFOSI?

What would an photo of Michael "swerving" against a Ferrari for the race win be worth? ???? ? Can you see it? I can....

it would be priceless, ...... wouldn't?


Frans, this is an honest request from a fan..

Please write a book.
Ruf
QUOTE (Frans @ Dec 16 2009, 15:38) *
Yes, how would his Ferrari-legend image stay alive when he's turned into an ENEMY of the TIFOSI?
I am a tifoso. And I have better odds of winning, you know! Instead 2 drivers having chances to win a race there will be three! On the same account you lose: you have 3 directions from where the defeat will come, instead only 2.wink.gif
jaisli
QUOTE (sumpthy @ Dec 16 2009, 12:52) *
You heard it here first.



Heard what? That he was only offered the Mercedes drive because of Ralphie's influence?
Jedi_F1
According to AutoHebdo (the french version of Autosport.com & the magazine) we will not hear an official announcement of the 2nd Mercedes GP driver before the end of the year=

http://www.autohebdo.fr/f1/f1/breve-25-25-...-revele-en-2010
smokesmate
can anyone check out the site automo.fr.its about schumi's neck getting the all clear from his doctor.i can't work out if its old news or new news.
salamin
QUOTE (Jedi_F1 @ Dec 16 2009, 20:10) *
According to AutoHebdo (the french version of Autosport.com & the magazine) we will not hear an official announcement of the 2nd Mercedes GP driver before the end of the year=

http://www.autohebdo.fr/f1/f1/breve-25-25-...-revele-en-2010


yeah, as stated by Zetsche yesterday
BullHead
After the New Year everybody! Till then....
sumpthy
QUOTE (jaisli @ Dec 16 2009, 19:07) *
Heard what? That he was only offered the Mercedes drive because of Ralphie's influence?

Nope, everyone's thinking of the wrong Schumacher. Mercedes have bigger aspirations than Michael. Believe me, I have an inside source.
SeanValen
QUOTE (BullHead @ Dec 16 2009, 20:18) *
After the New Year everybody! Till then....

Problem is, now the expectation of him returning is fever pitch, everyone can't simply stop talking, they need a quick official announcement, it's killing us inside the wait!!!!!!!!!

smoking.gif smoking.gif For the painful wait. We want to celebrate, yet we can't yet, it's like August 2009 ferrari come back part 2 feeling.
BullHead
QUOTE (sumpthy @ Dec 16 2009, 20:19) *
Nope, everyone's thinking of the wrong Schumacher. Mercedes have bigger aspirations than Michael. Believe me, I have an inside source.


Oh please..... The far greater Schumacher who won how much???
smokesmate
can anyone check this story about schumi out please.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...%3Doff%26sa%3DG

its about schumi's doctor and schumis neck,is it old news or what.
salamin
QUOTE (smokesmate @ Dec 16 2009, 21:41) *
can anyone check this story about schumi out please.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...%3Doff%26sa%3DG

its about schumi's doctor and schumis neck,is it old news or what.


well it's from today, so i guess so. but a test with an F1 car is yet to come !
smokesmate
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 16 2009, 20:45) *
well it's from today, so i guess so. but a test with an F1 car is yet to come !


Agreed but its still a good sign if he was checked out by his doctor today.oh and thank you for checking it out for me.
Talisker
Is it just me, or does this whole thing look like it's been hugely mis-managed by Mercedes. Assuming Schumacher is going to drive for them, it would have been great to annouce it as a surprise, like Haug (I think) originally talked about. Instead, we've had weeks of speculation. If he is announced, everyone will be expecting it anyway, and if he isn't it'll look like a huge damp squib. Maybe the big surprise is that Mercedes are going to announce Heidfeld in January!
tweiss
QUOTE (Group B @ Dec 16 2009, 09:18) *
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Poor old Frans; time and again foiled by the facts.


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DaleCooper
QUOTE (sumpthy @ Dec 16 2009, 21:19) *
Nope, everyone's thinking of the wrong Schumacher. Mercedes have bigger aspirations than Michael. Believe me, I have an inside source.



Yeah but a colon does not count (as a source). Try again.


Cooper
J2NH
QUOTE (Talisker @ Dec 16 2009, 22:00) *
Is it just me, or does this whole thing look like it's been hugely mis-managed by Mercedes. Assuming Schumacher is going to drive for them, it would have been great to annouce it as a surprise, like Haug (I think) originally talked about. Instead, we've had weeks of speculation. If he is announced, everyone will be expecting it anyway, and if he isn't it'll look like a huge damp squib. Maybe the big surprise is that Mercedes are going to announce Heidfeld in January!


I agree, although at this point I have to believe this is a done deal and they are just making sure that they are not stepping on any toes (Ferrari).
RedBaron
QUOTE (Sammyosammy @ Dec 16 2009, 16:59) *
Did not work out??


Don't worry, I don't mean didn't work out as in 'Raikkonen was terrible'. I mean as in his contract was ended early and he is out of the team and Alonso has replaced him, Raikkonen as far as Ferrari are concerned didn't turn out to be their new Schumacher. I'm well aware Kimi had some great races and won a WDC.
Buttoneer
This isn't a thread about Frans. Please can everyone keep to the topic.
fetzo
I didn´t lie, when i had said on Tuesday: "Mercedes is going to make an announcement tomorrow" - There was one, by Dieter Zetsche, but i didn´t know about the content the day before wink.gif

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Well, Mercedes is planning a test for him. Schumacher should drive a GP2-Car at Abu Dabhi in the end of this month alternatively early in January!
Just waiting
MS will drive for brawn, not ferrari.
Why?
Not only due to somewhat less than pleasant departure at monza, but who would not want to drive for Ross when the other choice are the clowns that currently run ferrari.....My bet is Alonso will wish before the season is over, he had the chance and took it to be at Brawn rather than Ferrari .
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Just waiting @ Dec 17 2009, 14:09) *
he had the chance and took it to be at Brawn rather than Ferrari .

Alonso was never in talks to be with Brawn/Mercedes. He said at the Malaysian Grand Prix that, at the time, he'd rather be driving for Brawn, but that was because they were the class act and nobody could get close. Neither Brawn nor Mercedes ever approached him to drive for them. After all, he had a pre-contract with Ferrari and when he moved teams, both Button and Barrichello were expected to stay on with Brawn.
gerry nassar
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Dec 16 2009, 20:19) *
Alonso was never in talks to be with Brawn/Mercedes. He said at the Malaysian Grand Prix that, at the time, he'd rather be driving for Brawn, but that was because they were the class act and nobody could get close. Neither Brawn nor Mercedes ever approached him to drive for them. After all, he had a pre-contract with Ferrari and when he moved teams, both Button and Barrichello were expected to stay on with Brawn.


Though he was in talks with Honda in 2008 wasnt he?
BiH
QUOTE (gerry nassar @ Dec 16 2009, 22:45) *
Though he was in talks with Honda in 2008 wasnt he?


yep. he went to visit the honda factory.
Galko877
QUOTE (fetzo @ Dec 17 2009, 03:27) *
I didn´t lie, when i had said on Tuesday: "Mercedes is going to make an announcement tomorrow" - There was one, by Dieter Zetsche, but i didn´t know about the content the day before ;)

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Well, Mercedes is planning a test for him. Schumacher should drive a GP2-Car at Abu Dabhi in the end of this month alternatively early in January!


GP2 car? So he can't drive a Brawn-Merc on demonstration tires like Badoer drove the F60 on such tires before Valencia?

Can F1 G-forces be simulated with a GP2 car?
ClubmanGT
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 17 2009, 20:21) *
GP2 car? So he can't drive a Brawn-Merc on demonstration tires like Badoer drove the F60 on such tires before Valencia?

Can F1 G-forces be simulated with a GP2 car?


I'd say that this is dead in the water. Kobiyashi signing for Sauber means NH is still a free agent, and unless he goes to Renault, there's no other seat bar Mercedes. I think the dream is over.
Galko877
QUOTE (ClubmanGT @ Dec 17 2009, 10:59) *
I'd say that this is dead in the water. Kobiyashi signing for Sauber means NH is still a free agent, and unless he goes to Renault, there's no other seat bar Mercedes. I think the dream is over.



What? Are you suggesting Heidfeld is Merc's Nr 1 choice? lol.gif
Schuperman
QUOTE (ClubmanGT @ Dec 17 2009, 16:59) *
I'd say that this is dead in the water. Kobiyashi signing for Sauber means NH is still a free agent, and unless he goes to Renault, there's no other seat bar Mercedes. I think the dream is over.


Even if MS doesn't get the medical clearance (or decides not to race due to his neck problems), I don't think NH is the next option for Mercedes. Yes, Renault his best option.
Frans
His vision problem will stay ... I will tell you this right HERE and right NOW.

SWALLOW IT! smoking.gif
Galko877
I can't see what changed regarding Schumacher with Sauber signing Kobayashi. From the Merc's communication and other signs to me it's obvious Michael is the guy they want first. (Otherwise they would have already signed Heidfeld or Kubica.) Heidfeld and Kubica will only have a shot at that seat if Michael can't drive due to health problems. Heidfeld (and Kubica) is waiting for that decision by Michael (Fry said the decision is in his hands), obviously. If Michael drives, Nick can still sign with Sauber for the second seat and Robert stays at Renault.
Wade
Yep, we won't hear anything until 2010. They're quoting Bild, who appears to say that they plan tests, and Merc's decision will come after those.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...5592.html%23RSS
fetzo
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 17 2009, 08:21) *
GP2 car? So he can't drive a Brawn-Merc on demonstration tires like Badoer drove the F60 on such tires before Valencia?


Yes, it shoud be possible to drive a BrawnGP on demonstration tires, but according to the rumors, he is going to sit in a GP2-Car.

Well, we will see clap.gif
Galko877
QUOTE (fetzo @ Dec 17 2009, 12:18) *
Yes, it shoud be possible to drive a BrawnGP on demonstration tires, but according to the rumors, he is going to sit in a GP2-Car.

Well, we will see clap.gif



Is there a limit on the number of kms that can be done on demonstration tires with this year's car? Because if yes, maybe they will do both. Test with the 2009 car on demo tires as many kms as can and then more with a GP2 car?
Mansell4PM
Having the first test in a GP2 car might also save Schumacher's blushes if he's not on the pace. At least that way he can say that he's not driven one before.

Testing a late model F1 car would invite comparisons with other drivers who had driven it, with obvious allowances made for different tyres etc.

Is this a way of preserving Schumacher's image of always being on the pace, even when he's not certain himself? He's been out for three whole seasons now.

Having said all that, I do expect him to be quick enough.
Galko877
QUOTE (Mansell4PM @ Dec 17 2009, 12:39) *
Having the first test in a GP2 car might also save Schumacher's blushes if he's not on the pace. At least that way he can say that he's not driven one before.

Testing a late model F1 car would invite comparisons with other drivers who had driven it, with obvious allowances made for different tyres etc.

Is this a way of preserving Schumacher's image of always being on the pace, even when he's not certain himself? He's been out for three whole seasons now.

Having said all that, I do expect him to be quick enough.



I really don't think it's about "blushes". He tested the 2007 Ferrari a couple of months ago and they didn't seem to be too concerned about his image. On the other hand Massa tested the 2007 Ferrari yesterday and his lap times haven't been published. Merc could do the same for Michael, if it's about "blushes".
RedBaron
He's been out for 3 seasons. I know it wasn't as long of a period, but he broke his leg in Silverstone and came back with phenomenal pace. He was younger, but my point is you can't just lose it if you want it. Barrichello is still going round and fighting and was winning. So no reason Schumacher can't. Mika Hakkinen lost it because he didn't want it anymore... this is different. From the look of things Schumacher wants it.
smokesmate
couldn't mercedes ask mclaren to lend them a 2 year old f1 car.would the rules allow schumacher to drive a 2 year old mclaren on grooved tyres.

also whats the weather like in barcelona at this time of the year,because i wonder if abu dhabi is just a ruse to get the press down there whilst they test schumi elsewhere in private.
Wade
Some updates...

Bernie believes this is a done deal, and will be surprised if Michael doesn't drive a Merc next season:

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_c...tm_content=F1SA

Marca saying the same thing, the test will be made 2 weeks from now, via a GP2 car.

http://www.marca.com/2009/12/17/motor/form..._medium=twitter
Enkei
QUOTE (smokesmate @ Dec 17 2009, 11:26) *
couldn't mercedes ask mclaren to lend them a 2 year old f1 car.would the rules allow schumacher to drive a 2 year old mclaren on grooved tyres.

also whats the weather like in barcelona at this time of the year,because i wonder if abu dhabi is just a ruse to get the press down there whilst they test schumi elsewhere in private.


Sure they would lend their championship winning Mp4/23 to possibly one of their biggest competitors lol.gif
RedBaron
QUOTE (Enkei @ Dec 17 2009, 10:31) *
Sure they would lend their championship winning Mp4/23 to possibly one of their biggest competitors lol.gif


Haha that's what I thought. I'm sure they'd lend them the engine and a couple Mercedes stickers... but that's it!
as65p
QUOTE (Enkei @ Dec 17 2009, 11:31) *
Sure they would lend their championship winning Mp4/23 to possibly one of their biggest competitors lol.gif


Well their championship winning car of 2008 didn't do anything for themselves regarding last years car, so I guess it wouldn't matter that much to give it to the competition a further year on. Besides, Mercedes ought to have most of, if not all the data on McLarens cars anyway.

And let's not forget that McLaren would like to get reliable engines from them... wink.gif
smokesmate
you may laugh about mercedes borrowing a 2 yr old mclaren but aren't mercedes supplying engines to mclaren next year engines that can go bang because there just not quite machined to the exact tollerances that they should be.
RedBaron
QUOTE (smokesmate @ Dec 17 2009, 10:39) *
you may laugh about mercedes borrowing a 2 yr old mclaren but aren't mercedes supplying engines to mclaren next year engines that can go bang because there just not quite machined to the exact tollerances that they should be.


haha it just got way more absurd!
smokesmate
QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 17 2009, 10:49) *
haha it just got way more absurd!


Please tell me how.enlighten me with your wisdom.
Enkei
QUOTE (as65p @ Dec 17 2009, 11:36) *
Well their championship winning car of 2008 didn't do anything for themselves regarding last years car, so I guess it wouldn't matter that much to give it to the competition a further year on. Besides, Mercedes ought to have most of, if not all the data on McLarens cars anyway.

And let's not forget that McLaren would like to get reliable engines from them... wink.gif


I wonder what data they can and what data they can't use.. The line between usage of a competitor's IP and legit data is quite thin.
Certainly Mercedes can't go and use all the information they had at their disposal while McLaren and Mercedes still were McLaren Mercedes..
potmotr
I wish Mercedes would make their minds up one way or another.

They're screwing Nick Heidfeld's chances of staying in F1 by buggering about so long.
Galko877
QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 17 2009, 13:09) *
I wish Mercedes would make their minds up one way or another.

They're screwing Nick Heidfeld's chances of staying in F1 by buggering about so long.



Nobody is screwing Nick. He chose to gamble himself. I think he could sign with Sauber immediately, but he chose to wait for Mercedes. That's his choice.

As far as Mercedes are concered, they are clear about their intentions, I think: let's wait for the test of Schumi, if he passes it, we sign him, if not then we will take a look at the Kubica situation and Heidfeld. I think all participants (including Sauber) know this.
RedBaron
QUOTE (smokesmate @ Dec 17 2009, 10:58) *
Please tell me how.enlighten me with your wisdom.


Do I really have to? Blimey.

Because you are suggesting if McLaren do not lend an old Formula 1 car to Mercedes then Mercedes will supply McLaren with engines that are faulty and in effect will sabotage the McLaren team. Which will result in their own image being tarnished because their customer engines will keep failing. People will realise only the engines in the McLaren are failing not the Mercedes team itself nor Force India. Questions will be asked and an investigation will take place and then a verdict will come out finding the fault intentionally at Mercedes door. They will have their reputation ruined, possibly be fined a huge amount or thrown out of Formula 1 all because they weren't lent a 2 year old McLaren show car, by the McLaren team.

I could probably go on with reasons why this was an absurd point...

QUOTE (smokesmate)
you may laugh about mercedes borrowing a 2 yr old mclaren but aren't mercedes supplying engines to mclaren next year engines that can go bang because there just not quite machined to the exact tollerances that they should be.


Oh my.
potmotr
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 17 2009, 11:13) *
As far as Mercedes are concered, they are clear about their intentions, I think: let's wait for the test of Schumi, if he passes it, we sign him, if not then we will take a look at the Kubica situation and Heidfeld. I think all participants (including Sauber) know this.


I guess you're right actually! smile.gif

It is kind of like the Alonso situation with Ferrari. Until that piece had moved into place no one else could move.

For Nick fans like me, these are tense times though!!!
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