The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > Why not Schumacher to Mercedes GP (formerly Brawn GP)? (merged)

RedBaron

Dec 17 2009, 11:20

QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 17 2009, 11:18)

I guess you're right actually!

It is kind of like the Alonso situation with Ferrari. Until that piece had moved into place no one else could move.

For Nick fans like me, these are tense times though!!!

And we thought once the Alonso situation was announced officially everything would fall into place. Enter Michael Schumacher.

smokesmate

Dec 17 2009, 11:22

who said anything about all mclarens engines failing,it only has to be once or twice at critical points in the championship.besides don't you think mercedes are going to favour the engines for there own team rather than customer engines.

you may think i'm daft for suggesting this but strange things do happen in f1.

undersquare

Dec 17 2009, 11:22

QUOTE (Enkei @ Dec 17 2009, 11:06)

I wonder what data they can and what data they can't use.. The line between usage of a competitor's IP and legit data is quite thin.
Certainly Mercedes can't go and use all the information they had at their disposal while McLaren and Mercedes still were McLaren Mercedes..

Quite a dossier cocktail, Ross' Ferrari knowledge plus Merc's McLaren knowledge.

I'm sure they can use it all quite legitimately though, as long as it's not on disc...

But at the end of the day they have to design their own fully integrated car, it won't make any difference unless there's another DDD type breakthrough being passed around.

as65p

Dec 17 2009, 11:38

QUOTE (Enkei @ Dec 17 2009, 12:06)

I wonder what data they can and what data they can't use.. The line between usage of a competitor's IP and legit data is quite thin.
Certainly Mercedes can't go and use all the information they had at their disposal while McLaren and Mercedes still were McLaren Mercedes..

By the book I guess they can't use the data. But let's be real, they won't forget what they know. Same as McLaren won't forget what they might have learned about Mercedes engines when they start to build their own.

They will both have to live with that kind of inevitable data-transfer, specially as I reckon the McLaren-Mercedes partnership was quite a lot more intimate than, say, Williams-BMW.

Buttoneer

Dec 17 2009, 12:16

QUOTE (smokesmate @ Dec 17 2009, 11:22)

who said anything about all mclarens engines failing,it only has to be once or twice at critical points in the championship.besides don't you think mercedes are going to favour the engines for there own team rather than customer engines.

you may think i'm daft for suggesting this but strange things do happen in f1.

They failed to properly sabotage Brawn or Force India this year, as customers.

smokesmate

Dec 17 2009, 12:40

QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Dec 17 2009, 12:16)

They failed to properly sabotage Brawn or Force India this year, as customers.

why would they want to sabotage brawn this year when they were going to buy the team for 2010 and force india were never a threat.

also have a look at this about what i said about the mclaren car

Whether it could draw on Mercedes cars from the old partnership with McLaren, would have to be clarified before the contract as well as an Express suspected of using a 2007-spec cars of predecessor Brawn Honda team.

this comes from this article in the welt online

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...=auto&tl=en

RedBaron

Dec 17 2009, 12:48

Ok, let's not entertain these Mercedes sabotage theories any longer, I'm not a mod or anyone in particular but if you feel there is a case to be made create a new topic, because this tosh is way off topic for a Schumacher to Mercedes thread.

Edit in reply to the post below, as I don't want to add another reply on the subject: Better take your evidence to the FIA then, blow the whistle on all this...

smokesmate

Dec 17 2009, 12:54

I rest my case.

Red 5

Dec 17 2009, 13:36

QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 17 2009, 11:09)

I wish Mercedes would make their minds up one way or another.

They're screwing Nick Heidfeld's chances of staying in F1 by buggering about so long.

There are 6 potential seats still available to Nick, if he is considered good enough by the team bosses then he'll be in F1 next year but at the end of the day he is holding out for Mercedes and will have no one but himself to blame if he ends up empty handed.

Schumacher will be in the Mercedes next year.

smokesmate

Dec 17 2009, 14:02

QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 17 2009, 12:48)

Ok, let's not entertain these Mercedes sabotage theories any longer, I'm not a mod or anyone in particular but if you feel there is a case to be made create a new topic, because this tosh is way off topic for a Schumacher to Mercedes thread.

Edit in reply to the post below, as I don't want to add another reply on the subject: Better take your evidence to the FIA then, blow the whistle on all this...

what are you talking about.what evidence what sabotage theories,i haven't said anything about any cars being sabotaged in the past.i only speculated what might happen in the future.

and did you read the article from welt in the link i provided.even they are mentioning the mclaren car so it might not be as absurd as you think.

ForeverF1

Dec 17 2009, 14:06

OK, enough of the sabotage theories, past or future. Bring the thread back on topic.

salamin

Dec 17 2009, 18:48

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Nico Rosberg has told German newspaper Stuttgarter Zeitung seven-times world champion Michael Schumacher will find it difficult to return to the fast lane after an absence of four years.
(Agence France Presse)

santori

Dec 17 2009, 19:35

I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned somewhere else but Jean-Louis Moncet says that he's heard that Willi Weber is having a meeting with Ross Brawn, Norbert Haug and others on the 22nd of December.

Wade

Dec 17 2009, 23:05

How reliable is Jean, tho?

Tenmantaylor

Dec 17 2009, 23:59

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8414486.stm

Classic Irvine soundbytes

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 07:05

One more small sign: Schumacher's spokeswoman Sabine Kehm left Ferrari's press department. Luca Colajani confirmed this.

Nuvol

Dec 18 2009, 07:50

im surprised with irvine though. he used to bash schu but what he said was pretty reasonable.

Ruf

Dec 18 2009, 08:17

QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 18 2009, 09:50)

im surprised with irvine though. he used to bash schu but what he said was pretty reasonable.

That was Barrichello, not Irvine.

Nuvol

Dec 18 2009, 08:23

Dude, Im on f1 onboard since 1994 and I know both of them. Irvine bashed Schu too.

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 08:30

With Irvine it depends on his mood.

as65p

Dec 18 2009, 08:39

QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 09:30)

With Irvine it depends on his mood.

Exactly. His overall credibility is second only to Eddie Jordans, sometimes it's a close call.

pRy

Dec 18 2009, 08:47

Bild reporting Sabine Kehm is leaving Ferrari Germany at the end of the year. So we can perhaps conclude that she may be taking up her role as Schumachers F1 press officer again.

Szoelloe

Dec 18 2009, 09:40

it's going to happen.

santori

Dec 18 2009, 10:05

QUOTE (Wade @ Dec 18 2009, 01:05)

How reliable is Jean, tho?

Pretty reliable. Not always right, of course. Actually, that's one of the best things about his blog - he lets his readers in on little details he's heard about without trying to pass them off as the truth handed down from on high. He's been one of the best bloggers for this very silly season, I think.

salamin

Dec 18 2009, 10:31

QUOTE (pRy @ Dec 18 2009, 09:47)

Bild reporting Sabine Kehm is leaving Ferrari Germany at the end of the year. So we can perhaps conclude that she may be taking up her role as Schumachers F1 press officer again.

link via google translate

Wade

Dec 18 2009, 10:34

Update:

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_c...tm_content=F1SA

It is believed that comeback caps, jackets and a replica Schumi helmet painted in silver is in the process of making.

RedBaron

Dec 18 2009, 10:49

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The renowned French commentator and columnist Jean-Louis Moncet is reporting this week that the German's manager Willi Weber is scheduled to meet shortly with Ross Brawn and Norbert Haug.

There are also further signs that German reports revealing last weekend that a deal is now all but done were true.

The 40-year-old's media manager Sabine Kehm is leaving Ferrari to work full time with Schumacher in 2010.

She is leaving Ferrari spokesman Stefano Lai told Bild, with the newspaper adding that Kehm is to base herself near Schumacher's residence in Geneva.

Schumacher is currently enjoying a holiday with his family on the slopes of the French alps, and is said to be likely to return shortly after he turns 31 on January 3.

His wife Corinna told Cologne's Express newspaper: "I trust him to properly assess the risks, and I do not begrudge him his fun."

Express also reports that comeback caps and jackets, and a replica Schuberth helmet painted in silver, are in the process of being produced.

salamin

Dec 18 2009, 10:51

he managed to cut off 10 years with his intensive training

Augurk

Dec 18 2009, 10:53

QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 18 2009, 11:51)

he managed to cut off 10 years with his intensive training

Awesome

katmen

Dec 18 2009, 12:01

what about possibility:

nico rosberg -driver

robert kubica -driver

shumi-3rd driver, consultant, mid season tester, ambassador and brawn trainee, future brawn successor at merc

OR shumi as exF1 steward

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 12:03

QUOTE (katmen @ Dec 18 2009, 15:01)

what about possibility:

nico rosberg -driver

robert kubica -driver

shumi-3rd driver, consultant, mid season tester, ambassador and brawn trainee, future brawn successor at merc

OR shumi as exF1 steward

Schumacher could have been a team boss at Ferrari, if that's what he wanted. He wants to drive.

DaleCooper

Dec 18 2009, 12:08

QUOTE (katmen @ Dec 18 2009, 13:01)

what about possibility:

nico rosberg -driver

robert kubica -driver

shumi-3rd driver, consultant, mid season tester, ambassador and brawn trainee, future brawn successor at merc

OR shumi as exF1 steward

Anything but driver eh? Possibility is nowhere near as useful as high probability.

Cooper

vipul_singh

Dec 18 2009, 12:32

I am getting confused now. So is Michael going to sign with Mercedes without checking if his neck/vision is OK? Or has the test already happened?

Anyone...?

slideways

Dec 18 2009, 13:09

QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Dec 17 2009, 02:54)

OMG! If someone can spoil the return of MS, that's Nick Fry.

So True.

Wade

Dec 18 2009, 13:11

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/f...15875-21905849/?

Byron saying the test could be in Bahrain instead of Abu Dhabi

cheapracer

Dec 18 2009, 13:40

QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 18 2009, 15:50)

im surprised with irvine though. he used to bash schu but what he said was pretty reasonable.

I've never heard anything other than a bit of sarcastic humour including while sitting directly next to MS other than that it's mostly been very high praise for MS.

It may take MS a couple of races to settle in but in his favour next year is smoothness required to protect the tyres with heavy fuel loads, he won't have to be as fast as he may have been at his absolute peak - just bloody fast, consistant and smooth lap after lap, sound familiar?

Oh we should mention thats how Lauda won his third WDC in similar circumstances often starting from lower grid positions.

RedBaron

Dec 18 2009, 13:44

QUOTE

Belgium's Bertrand Baguette, World Series by Renault Champion, is confident that he will be able to secure the second Sauber race seat alongside Kamui Kobayashi ahead of the 2010 season.

Source: Schumacher related article...

cheapracer

Dec 18 2009, 13:45

Does anyone else consider that MS's real target is 100 GP's?

QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 18 2009, 21:44)

Belgium's Bertrand Baguette, World Series by Renault Champion, is confident that he will be able to secure the second Sauber race seat alongside Kamui Kobayashi ahead of the 2010 season.

Source: Schumacher related article...

Someone get that Guy a cushion, how can you race a car when you can't even see over the steering wheel!!

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 13:58

QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 18 2009, 15:44)

Source: Schumacher related article...

QUOTE

However, in the event of Baguette being confirmed as a race driver at Sauber, a number of questions marks would be raised as Nick Heidfeld - a likely candidate for a drive at either Sauber or Mercedes - would then be left without a confirmed seat, possibly raising doubts over whether 7-time World Champion Michael Schumacher will be returning to the sport with the team formerly known as Brawn.

I can't see how it raises doubts over Schumacher's return. OK, I know what they are suggesting: if Nick doesn't get the Sauber drive and if he is left without a seat, is that because he is certain of a Mercedes seat? I know this logic. But it's based on too many speculative elements:

1. Baguette is 96% "sure" - which means no deal is done yet. To me actually it would be strange if Sauber would go with two rookies.
2. Even if Baugette gets the Sauber drive, Nick could still go to Renault (Kubica would be happy, hehe).
3. Even if Nick doesn't get the Sauber or Renault drive, how does that mean Schumacher is out? It could just be that Nick gambled high and lost. No drive for him for next year.
4. Maybe Sauber simply does not want Nick at all.

Schumacher is definitely not out until the test, so I don't think any conclusions can be made on his case if Baguette lands the drive at Sauber.

highdownforce

Dec 18 2009, 14:14

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[...] as soon as I get the official announcement of the agreement between Michael and the Mercedes, well, I'll take off the poster of Schumi in my office. And you know why? Why was he, until a few days ago, claiming that the Ferrari was his family and that he would never have imagined himself at the wheel of another Formula One.

Piero Ferrari.

Wade

Dec 18 2009, 14:20

^ Hmmm..thanks for the link. That's interesting.

Another new link by BILD too, check it out guys:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...=auto&tl=en

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 14:22

QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 18 2009, 17:14)

Piero Ferrari.

I have never heard Michael claiming that "he would never have imagined himself at the wheel of another Formula One (car, supposedly)".

He did say Ferrari was his family, like Alonso claimed Renault was his family. But sometimes you leave your family for new challenges.

But it was to be expected that Italian Ferraristi won't take this lightly. For them it's unimaginable that someone can leave their prescious Ferrari for another team. Well, Ferrari moved on from Schumi, why can't Schumi also move on from Ferrari?

At least Michael didn't break any existing contract with Ferrari. Unlike Ferrari did it with Kimi....

highdownforce

Dec 18 2009, 14:32

Did Ferrari break any contract with Schumy?

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 14:33

QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 18 2009, 17:32)

Did Ferrari break any contract with Schumy?

No. Nor did Schumi break any contract with them.

highdownforce

Dec 18 2009, 14:42

QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 12:33)

No. Nor did Schumi break any contract with them.

Exactly!
No one has ever mentioned contracts until you claimed it.

RedBaron

Dec 18 2009, 14:43

QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 18 2009, 14:32)

Did Ferrari break any contract with Schumy?

The only things broken were hearts. </3

glorius&victorius

Dec 18 2009, 14:47

QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 18 2009, 15:14)

Piero Ferrari.

If I was Piero Ferrari I would express more gratefulness and respect for someone that gave them back wins and titles.
Plus Ferrari may have been his cozy nest and given MS family warmth but Mercedes gave the opportunities to enter F1.

Actually Mr. Ferrari should be thankful to Mercedes for opening the door for MS to F1.

Galko877

Dec 18 2009, 16:21

QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 18 2009, 16:42)

Exactly!
No one has ever mentioned contracts until you claimed it.

I bought it up, because Mr Ferrari acts as if Schumacher owes them something. Well, he doesn't. And to condemn him morally would be equally wrong from them because if we go there then we can also start to talk about what Ferrari has done to Kimi....

Nuvol

Dec 18 2009, 16:37

none driver done more for ferrari and none probably will get close to 5 WDC and 6 WCC. Piero should shut up.

RedBaron

Dec 18 2009, 16:46

QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 18 2009, 16:37)

none driver done more for ferrari and none probably will get close to 5 WDC and 6 WCC. Piero should shut up.

Couldn't have said it better myself, oh wait.