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Sisplatin
Schumy has done great things for Ferrari ....All his race wins and all his WDC and WCC for them is not enough ??
Piero is just a creep himself, so STFU Piero and be greatfull for what Ferrari has become now with the help of the Schumy!
HoldenRT
I haven't been reading every piece of gossip I can find, only just the main news stories of F1 sites every now and then. Usually I'm not one for these gossip type things. It starts out as someone's dream for what should happen, and then other people run with it. Story gets bigger and bigger and it's all BS.

But there seems to be some fire mixed in with this smoke. It'd be surprising if Schumacher isn't in F1 next year IMO. Brundle always said he would come back. All the media attention could become a bit annoying (like when he almost returned last year) but on track it'd definately spice things up and make the season alot more interesting. Seeing ROC, it's obvious he can still drive at a high level. Like always in F1, it'll come down to his fitness level and his car for how much success he can have. He's human he isn't a miracle worker. I don't think the three years off will make a huge difference. He might not be 100% (his peak of his career) but he'll be strong. I only worry about Rascasse with 26 cars on track. tongue.gif Joking.. Low fuel qualifying with cars setup to run on high fuel. We will see some special Q3 laps this season.
robracer
Schumacher reveals comeback is close

QUOTE (Luca di Montezemolo)
He phoned me and he told me that there is a very, very, very strong possibility [of racing for Mercedes-Benz]. Having said that, it is not 100 percent decided. But that is what he said yesterday morning
Galko877
QUOTE
Di Montezemolo said that he believed that it was a 'new Schumacher' who was pursuing a future with Mercedes-Benz.

"The real Michael Schumacher always told me he would finish his career at Ferrari," he said.


You can tell they feel hurt by Michael's decision which is sad, but then that's life. I think he did want to come back with Ferrari at first (hence Luca's three-car proposal) but since it failed he had no other choice than to switch teams if he wanted to race again.
RedBaron
And it's Luca's decision to break that private phone call to the media? That combined with this: "The real Michael Schumacher always told me he would finish his career at Ferrari." is very disappointing. Can't wait to see Schumacher in silver now.
BiH
so that GP2 or old F1 car test next month will determine if schumacher races or not.

cheapracer
I had kind of forgotten that Mercedes paid his way into F1 in the first place, just paying back his debt if you think about it - he did nothing for Mercedes in his F1 career except beat them often!
robracer
More on BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8420601.stm

QUOTE (Luca di Montazemelo)
A guy called Michael Schumacher told us at Monza (in September) he would renew his (Ferrari consultancy) contract, And it looked like his career would finish with Ferrari.

But then there's another one who looks like him, 40, 41 yrs old, German, same name and decided to do a new career.

Everybody in life can do what they prefer, and I understand that there is somebody at 41 years who wants to try again.

So I think it's possible this twin, another Michael Schumacher, same age, same capability, some determination and spirit, will drive for Mercedes next year.

Of course, I will have a lot of fans on our website very upset. They think Michael is a traitor. But I will explain to them it is not Michael but another one.

As a friend, it is difficult for me, but I'm happy to see somebody so fit and with such big determination.

As chairman of Ferrari, I'm so sad. He received a lot from Ferrari, and he has given a lot to Ferrari. I think the combination in the good and the bad moments was very, very good.

This is the reason why I think we have to accept there is another Michael who is wanting to race. The real Michael is still with Ferrari.



QUOTE
Schumacher still has to have medical tests on his neck injury before he can confirm a return, and Di Montezemolo said he expected a decision to be made public "at the end of December or the beginning of January"
UPRC
This "real Michael" thing that Luca is pitching is annoying me.
jaisli
QUOTE (UPRC @ Dec 18 2009, 12:54) *
This "real Michael" thing that Luca is pitching is annoying me.


Indeed, I wonder which Michael Luca pressured into making a decision in 2006 to make way for the 'Future'. smile.gif
BiH
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 13:43) *
You can tell they feel hurt by Michael's decision which is sad, but then that's life. I think he did want to come back with Ferrari at first (hence Luca's three-car proposal) but since it failed he had no other choice than to switch teams if he wanted to race again.



yep the three car proposal makes lot more sense now. there must have been some kind of dispute with luca when they canceled kimi's contract and had a driver to fill in that role, so it must have been between alonso and schumacher for kimi's seat. and maybe schumacher got hurt by ferrari's decision to turn to alonso.
Scudetto
QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 18 2009, 11:46) *
And it's Luca's decision to break that private phone call to the media? That combined with this: "The real Michael Schumacher always told me he would finish his career at Ferrari." is very disappointing. Can't wait to see Schumacher in silver now.


With that sort of sentiment, it's pretty clear that whether or not Michael races next year, he's pretty much done with Ferrari.

Even as a dyed in the wool tifosi, I find the prospect of his return exciting as hell. I wish him luck. up.gif
potmotr
This story sounds like it really is gathering pace now.

Good on old Schumacher, will be great to have him back.

Sucks for Quick Nick though.
robracer
QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 18 2009, 18:02) *
This story sounds like it really is gathering pace now.

Good on old Schumacher, will be great to have him back.

Sucks for Quick Nick though.


I expect Nick to be confirmed at either Renault or Sauber before Christmas now. Michael is definately back. Absolutely fantastic IMO clap.gif
fetzo
I hope, that Schumi will win the Grand Prix of Italy in 2010, in a Silver Arrow lol.gif

Forza Mercedes clap.gif
Schuting Star
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 17:43) *
You can tell they feel hurt by Michael's decision which is sad, but then that's life. I think he did want to come back with Ferrari at first (hence Luca's three-car proposal) but since it failed he had no other choice than to switch teams if he wanted to race again.

I'm sure they do feel hurt and most at Ferrari are probably justified in being so. Luca however is not one of them, his role in Michael's retirement did not appear a positive one and friend or not, there was clearly friction there for a time.
potmotr
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 18 2009, 18:05) *
Michael is definately back.


I thought that when I booked my tickets for Monza last August...
carbonfibre
QUOTE (jaisli @ Dec 18 2009, 18:58) *
Indeed, I wonder which Michael Luca pressured into making a decision in 2006 to make way for the 'Future'. smile.gif

Exactly, Ferrari and especially Luca don't need to play the hurt little kid. Im sure they are disappointed that Michael didn't end his career with Ferrari but they have to blame themselfs as well. Ferrari have no reason whatsoever to debate Michael's decision. He has done everything for Ferrari, never questioned his team nor the partners in public and kept the shit in the team.

Good luck Michael if you go to Mercedes.
potmotr
Front page news in the land of bier and bratwurst.

http://www.bild.de/
robracer
QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 18 2009, 18:26) *
I thought that when I booked my tickets for Monza last August...


His neck is fine now, it wasn't in August.
Nuvol
QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 18 2009, 19:26) *
I thought that when I booked my tickets for Monza last August...

same here. lol.gif This time i will wait 2 race to see whether his neck wont break under pressure and then Im booking tickets to hungaro and spa cool.gif
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (UPRC @ Dec 18 2009, 12:54) *
This "real Michael" thing that Luca is pitching is annoying me.


ditto.. what a stupid thing to say..

LDM down.gif

Can't wait to see the new Schumacher dish out some of his dirty moves against the team where the old Schumacher used to drive..
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 18 2009, 13:33) *
His neck is fine now, it wasn't in August.


The neck was perfectly fine, just like Glock's back..
Les
Fingers crossed I will be able to see him race live for the first when I go to Spa next year.

Anyway here's a Legard blog on his return which also includes another interesting quote from Di Montezemelo about Kimi Raikonnen who he says 'went around fishing" while Massa was fighting it out with Hamilton for the championship!'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/...s-presiden.html
alfiebengal
Frankly I feel that Ferrari will feel thankful and Mercedes will regret this move and Nico's career will blossom when it's revealed that Michael's past it.

He was faltering badly in his last season making loads of mistakes. This is an ego trip that's going to backfire big time IMHO.

It might be a "new Michael" but he obviously has the same arrogance and I really feel for his family having promised them that he wouldn't go back.

As they say "there's no fool like an old fool"
Claudius

Luca seems to be on a roll.

pRy
Well Luca is clearly upset and it would be odd if he wasn't. He just lost one of the best assets Ferrari had. Perhaps some of what he said has been lost in translation however.
Galko877
More from Montezemolo's speech (from Bild):

- Michael was ready to race at Ferrari in a third car, but unfortunately Ferrari couldn't push through the three-car idea. So they could offer him nothing to stay.

- When he had to call off replacing Massa he was devastated.
Galko877
Luca is Luca. I actually enjoyed his little speech on Michael, it was so typically Luca. It would be odd if they felt nothing.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 18 2009, 13:02) *
Good on old Schumacher, will be great to have him back.


No. The old Schumacher has died. This is the new Schumacher.

It's probably as I've suspected all along anyway. The sentience known as Michael Schumacher is a robot. Someone has simply updated the software.
race addicted
I'd love, absolutely love, to see Michael Schumacher back in F1! I dig it!
rog
QUOTE (alfiebengal @ Dec 18 2009, 19:42) *
Frankly I feel that Ferrari will feel thankful and Mercedes will regret this move and Nico's career will blossom when it's revealed that Michael's past it.

He was faltering badly in his last season making loads of mistakes. This is an ego trip that's going to backfire big time IMHO.


Who made loads of mistakes? Rosberg? You are badly misinformed.
Claudius
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Dec 18 2009, 19:52) *
No. The old Schumacher has died. This is the new Schumacher.

It's probably as I've suspected all along anyway. The sentience known as Michael Schumacher is a robot. Someone has simply updated the software.


But this new Schumacher is older than the old Schumacher who was younger than the new Schumacher.
Something isn't right here...
RedBaron
QUOTE (rog @ Dec 18 2009, 18:58) *
Who made loads of mistakes? Rosberg? You are badly misinformed.


He means Schumacher, but he is still gigantically ill-informed.
dabrasco
Mercedes have handled this poorly PR wise, by the time they finally announce Schumie's signing, everyone will be like yawnface.gif


the surprise now will be if he isnt on the grid in Bahrain next year...
Nuvol
thats not mercedes fault. because of the neck it couldnt be really dealt differently. if they didnt have to check the neck the deal would be already signed
RedBaron
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Dec 18 2009, 19:06) *
Mercedes have handled this poorly PR wise, by the time they finally announce Schumie's signing, everyone will be like yawnface.gif


the surprise now will be if he isnt on the grid in Bahrain next year...


The moment he steps foot in front of the worlds press in those silver overalls any errors in announcing/handling this deal will be forgotten.
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Dec 18 2009, 14:06) *
Mercedes have handled this poorly PR wise, by the time they finally announce Schumie's signing, everyone will be like yawnface.gif


the surprise now will be if he isnt on the grid in Bahrain next year...


True, it could end up being a long-winded version of when he was to replace Massa.. the discussions feels similar..
metz
QUOTE (Mia 01 @ Nov 20 2009, 12:42) *
MS spokeswoman, Sabine, says he will not race in F1 next year.

what a difference 3 weeks make... lol.gif
kar
QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 18 2009, 16:37) *
none driver done more for ferrari and none probably will get close to 5 WDC and 6 WCC. Piero should shut up.


Agreed.

Still it will feel weird supporting another team other than Ferrari frown.gif
highdownforce
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 18 2009, 17:17) *
what a difference 3 weeks make... lol.gif

Didn't she also left Ferrari? (Bild)
Galko877
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Dec 18 2009, 22:06) *
Mercedes have handled this poorly PR wise, by the time they finally announce Schumie's signing, everyone will be like yawnface.gif


the surprise now will be if he isnt on the grid in Bahrain next year...



But it's always like this. Inevitably there will always be rumours, news leaked. It was the same with Alonso+Ferrari. By the time it happened, everybody was like: "Finally, we were already bored by the rumours."
Galko877
BTW, Luca was on a roll indeed. Off topic, but: http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/...zelgaenger.html

About Alonso: "I told him: if you drive for us, because we want you, then you drive for a team, for a group, not only for yourself. If you want an own team, fantastic, then go and make one like John Surtees."

roflmao.gif
Sakae
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Dec 18 2009, 14:06) *
Mercedes have handled this poorly PR wise, by the time they finally announce Schumie's signing, everyone will be like yawnface.gif


the surprise now will be if he isnt on the grid in Bahrain next year...


What did they suppose to annouce if everything was in midst of negotiations, tests, etc. You would be among first to critique them had they came out and said something to the effect "we think about this and that, but maybe this, maybe that...."

There is due dilligence process, and we just have to wait until it gets concluded.
Mandzipop
QUOTE (kar @ Dec 18 2009, 19:21) *
Agreed.

Still it will feel weird supporting another team other than Ferrari frown.gif


I understand what you mean so I've decided to split my allegiance. Schumacher WDC and Ferrari WCC.

Simples (in theory). I managed it last year supporting Vettel and Ferrari. I cant abandon them. I didn't start following them because of Schumacher, it was because of Irvine. But it is possible to support a driver who doesn't drive for your favourite team.

This is a bit new to me. I wasn't online when he retired (financial reasons) and I've never got overly defensive about a driver (Vettel a little). This has changed things. If Alonso and Schumacher have a tussle I will side with Schumacher. clap.gif
Gary C
Schumacher's in at Mercedes, it's a done deal. Just waiting for the medical next week.
metz
QUOTE (Nuvol @ Dec 18 2009, 14:08) *
if they didnt have to check the neck the deal would be already signed

I believe the "neck" story is bullsh!t.

Schumi wants to see how fast the car is before he commits.

They could check the neck today.

They are waiting for the car tests at Adu Dhabi, Jan 6-7.
tifosi4life
QUOTE (kar @ Dec 18 2009, 20:21) *
Agreed.

Still it will feel weird supporting another team other than Ferrari frown.gif


I'm in the same boat. I'm just glad it's not McLaren or Renault...
Schuting Star
QUOTE (tifosi4life @ Dec 18 2009, 20:01) *
I'm in the same boat. I'm just glad it's not McLaren or Renault...

tifosi4life? But you'll support another team?
airwise
Once the Scuderia signed Alonso the writing was on the wall.

There was suddenly no place for Schumacher on the pit wall and his comrades in arms had all moved to pastures new. Schumacher is clearly still in love with F1 and Ferrari were forcing him onto the side lines. Hardly surprising that he's been tempted to move like his former teammates. The Scuderia is bigger than any one person.
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