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Galko877
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 18 2009, 21:52) *
I believe the "neck" story is bullsh!t.

Schumi wants to see how fast the car is before he commits.

They could check the neck today.

They are waiting for the car tests at Adu Dhabi, Jan 6-7.


What car? The GP2 car?
Nuvol
well ross brawn is there so it is not that painful smile.gif
Slowinfastout
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 18 2009, 14:52) *
I believe the "neck" story is bullsh!t.

Schumi wants to see how fast the car is before he commits.

They could check the neck today.

They are waiting for the car tests at Adu Dhabi, Jan 6-7.


Yeah, what if Rosberg is and/or will be trashing him in the simulator? What would MS do if that's the situation until both of them gets anywhere near the real thing?

Rosberg sure seems to be in bullish mode atm anyway...
Demo.
QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 18 2009, 17:46) *
And it's Luca's decision to break that private phone call to the media? That combined with this: "The real Michael Schumacher always told me he would finish his career at Ferrari." is very disappointing. Can't wait to see Schumacher in silver now.



sorry do you really expect anything better from ferrari.
They have shown time after time if they dont get their way they act like spoilt little brats.
How many times have you heard Ferrari bad mounthing anything other than Ferrari and when was the last time you heard them say one good thing about anything not to do with Ferrari.
here's a clue insults about 30 times this year alone.
compliments once in 10 years.
MS7XWDC
QUOTE (kar @ Dec 18 2009, 19:21) *
Agreed.

Still it will feel weird supporting another team other than Ferrari frown.gif



this is GREAT NEWS !!!
F1Champion
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 17:43) *
You can tell they feel hurt by Michael's decision which is sad, but then that's life. I think he did want to come back with Ferrari at first (hence Luca's three-car proposal) but since it failed he had no other choice than to switch teams if he wanted to race again.



I agree, I think Michael's itching to get back into F1 and if the 3 car proposal happened he would still be at Ferrari but the situation means a season with Mercedes instead.

Being a massive fan I have mixed feelings. I was happy for Michael to finish his career at Ferrari and at his age I'm not sure he should be in F1 because it can be dangerous at that age with slowing reflexes. He has a family and a fantastic career, there's no need to risk it, but F1 is in his blood.

I did want however to see two things in Michael's career, and this was way before this Brawn-Mercedes stuff and that was to see Michael in a Williams (as Frank Williams was a massive fan over the years) and a Mercedes engined car as a thank you for helping him into F1 in the first place. I think Michael feels that a thank you is needed, maybe in his eyes he always wanted to do it, but not at McLaren with Ron Dennis.

Not sure about him becoming a Mercedes ambassador, that position should always be with Ferrari.
tifosi4life
QUOTE (Schuting Star @ Dec 18 2009, 21:03) *
tifosi4life? But you'll support another team?


Another team, no. But I will wish MS the best, and for him to come in ahead of everyone but Ferrari. Truthfully, I am also a Sebastian Vettel fan. Just waiting for him to go to Ferrari to make it easier smile.gif
Galko877
QUOTE (F1Champion @ Dec 18 2009, 22:12) *
I agree, I think Michael's itching to get back into F1 and if the 3 car proposal happened he would still be at Ferrari but the situation means a season with Mercedes instead.

Being a massive fan I have mixed feelings. I was happy for Michael to finish his career at Ferrari and at his age I'm not sure he should be in F1 because it can be dangerous at that age with slowing reflexes. He has a family and a fantastic career, there's no need to risk it, but F1 is in his blood.

I did want however to see two things in Michael's career, and this was way before this Brawn-Mercedes stuff and that was to see Michael in a Williams (as Frank Williams was a massive fan over the years) and a Mercedes engined car as a thank you for helping him into F1 in the first place. I think Michael feels that a thank you is needed, maybe in his eyes he always wanted to do it, but not at McLaren with Ron Dennis.

Not sure about him becoming a Mercedes ambassador, that position should always be with Ferrari.


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I agree with everything you said.
J2NH
QUOTE (F1Champion @ Dec 18 2009, 20:12) *
I agree, I think Michael's itching to get back into F1 and if the 3 car proposal happened he would still be at Ferrari but the situation means a season with Mercedes instead.

Being a massive fan I have mixed feelings. I was happy for Michael to finish his career at Ferrari and at his age I'm not sure he should be in F1 because it can be dangerous at that age with slowing reflexes. He has a family and a fantastic career, there's no need to risk it, but F1 is in his blood.

I did want however to see two things in Michael's career, and this was way before this Brawn-Mercedes stuff and that was to see Michael in a Williams (as Frank Williams was a massive fan over the years) and a Mercedes engined car as a thank you for helping him into F1 in the first place. I think Michael feels that a thank you is needed, maybe in his eyes he always wanted to do it, but not at McLaren with Ron Dennis.

Not sure about him becoming a Mercedes ambassador, that position should always be with Ferrari.


F1Champion. Not so sure I buy into the slowing reflexes and resultant increased danger. How do you explain fighter pilots in their 40's at the top of their game? Bigger G's and I would argue more concentration required. I just think it is rare to find a person at that age still willing to train to the level required and still hungry to compete.


Dragonfly
I am wondering what Alonso and Santander's role is in Michael's decision to leave Ferrari. The latter is certain IMO, no way back for him.
ConsiderAndGo
QUOTE (tifosi4life @ Dec 18 2009, 20:17) *
Another team, no. But I will wish MS the best, and for him to come in ahead of everyone but Ferrari. Truthfully, I am also a Sebastian Vettel fan. Just waiting for him to go to Ferrari to make it easier smile.gif


Only another 2 years to go wink.gif
metz
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 15:04) *
What car? The GP2 car?

It's an updated '09. larger tank, more weight.
Not sure about which tyres.
Schuting Star
QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Dec 18 2009, 20:25) *
I am wondering what Alonso and Santander's role is in Michael's decision to leave Ferrari. The latter is certain IMO, no way back for him.

I honestly believe very little to do with it. He wants to race, his role at Ferrari did not permit that, and I'm guessing he was just bored.
Sakae
QUOTE (tifosi4life @ Dec 18 2009, 15:17) *
Another team, no. But I will wish MS the best, and for him to come in ahead of everyone but Ferrari. Truthfully, I am also a Sebastian Vettel fan. Just waiting for him to go to Ferrari to make it easier smile.gif



I will have the same problem, and it will be difficult to favour one over another. What a beautiful dilema to have. smile.gif
Demo.
It will be intresting to look back in a year and see how many of the schumi or ferrari fans swap places IF either Ferrari have a dog of a car like this year and MS is running close to the front or if Ferrari are back at the front and Brawn end up as a one season wonder.
will Ferrari fans swap to MS in the first senario or schumi fans swap back to Ferrari in the second?
carbonfibre
Or will they support both? Or is that not possible. smile.gif

I will do that, Michael is and will be my favorite driver and Ferrari my favorite team. (although Massa is a favorite of my too).
RedBaron
QUOTE (Demo. @ Dec 18 2009, 20:40) *
It will be intresting to look back in a year and see how many of the schumi or ferrari fans swap places IF either Ferrari have a dog of a car like this year and MS is running close to the front or if Ferrari are back at the front and Brawn end up as a one season wonder.
will Ferrari fans swap to MS in the first senario or schumi fans swap back to Ferrari in the second?


The Ferrari years were great memories, but I'm interested in the Schumacher Years.
gaston_foix
I don't believe that Michael is back. What drivers we will have next year. My GOD what fight it will be....
DaleCooper
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 18 2009, 21:52) *
I believe the "neck" story is bullsh!t.

Schumi wants to see how fast the car is before he commits.

They could check the neck today.

They are waiting for the car tests at Adu Dhabi, Jan 6-7.



So Merc will have their new car by then? Because if they don't, I don't see your point. And besides, either these fiery Italians are great at inventing false feelings and Schumacher is great at lying to them, or you are on a cynical quest for sinister meanings.

There is ZERO evidence to support your insinuation, just a lot of baseless speculation, so go ahead and believe what makes you happier.


Cooper
Group B
QUOTE (HoldenRT @ Dec 18 2009, 17:18) *
I haven't been reading every piece of gossip I can find, only just the main news stories of F1 sites every now and then. Usually I'm not one for these gossip type things. It starts out as someone's dream for what should happen, and then other people run with it. Story gets bigger and bigger and it's all BS.

But there seems to be some fire mixed in with this smoke. It'd be surprising if Schumacher isn't in F1 next year IMO. Brundle always said he would come back. All the media attention could become a bit annoying (like when he almost returned last year) but on track it'd definately spice things up and make the season alot more interesting. Seeing ROC, it's obvious he can still drive at a high level. Like always in F1, it'll come down to his fitness level and his car for how much success he can have. He's human he isn't a miracle worker. I don't think the three years off will make a huge difference. He might not be 100% (his peak of his career) but he'll be strong. I only worry about Rascasse with 26 cars on track. tongue.gif Joking.. Low fuel qualifying with cars setup to run on high fuel. We will see some special Q3 laps this season.

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Remember those fantastic qualifying duels with MH?
DaleCooper
QUOTE (Group B @ Dec 18 2009, 22:59) *
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Remember those fantastic qualifying duels with MH?



I'm just glad they are all on the same tyres. It makes the comparisons that much easier.


Cooper
KiloWatt
QUOTE (fetzo @ Dec 18 2009, 20:11) *
I hope, that Schumi will win the Grand Prix of Italy in 2010, in a Silver Arrow lol.gif

Forza Mercedes clap.gif


Please don't
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Nuvol
Modern version of Nuvolari is back love.gif
undersquare
So, I guess there's going to be a Michael vs Lewis thread...
hansmann
QUOTE (F1Champion @ Dec 18 2009, 21:12) *
I agree, I think Michael's itching to get back into F1 and if the 3 car proposal happened he would still be at Ferrari but the situation means a season with Mercedes instead.


But how likely was the 3-car solution to happen ? Wishful thinking, hoping for a Lex Ferrari.

It must have been more clear to Montezemelo than to anyone else in F1 whether or not MS wants to return as a driver - bottom line, Ferrari did not do a thing to provide a seat for Schumacher, be it the real or the new one rolleyes.gif , even intended to move him to their road car division.

And now Montezemelo is insulting MS over his possible decission to drive for a team that - unlike Ferrari - might actually support him ?
That's rich.

Szoelloe
QUOTE (undersquare @ Dec 18 2009, 22:11) *
So, I guess there's going to be a Michael vs Lewis thread...


omg smile.gif
slideways
So what happens if the car is a dog and he's fighting for 9th or 10th? I also agree he will wait until the first or second test before committing.
marcm
QUOTE (F1Champion @ Dec 18 2009, 20:12) *
I was happy for Michael to finish his career at Ferrari and at his age I'm not sure he should be in F1 because it can be dangerous at that age with slowing reflexes.


Are you serious? confused.gif
nateshan
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 19 2009, 00:52) *
I believe the "neck" story is bullsh!t.

Schumi wants to see how fast the car is before he commits.

They could check the neck today.

They are waiting for the car tests at Adu Dhabi, Jan 6-7.

up.gif Thats exactly why shumi is waiting, me thinks ambivalent.gif
Mandzipop
I am officially getting excited now. Some betting sites are putting him into the odds. 15/2, hmmm, I reckon they are hoping for a no show. If his neck is fine then I reckon its a done deal. The strange thing is, in 2009 at times I was supporting Vettel more than Ferrari. I think thats down to them having a bad year and that I (like a lot of Ferrari fans) would like to see Vettel in a Ferrari. However the situation has now changed.

I wonder how he will do. If he's hungrier than he was in 2006 and the car is good, then he will be a force to be reckoned with. A lot of people seem to think he has unfinished business. I wonder if its the 100 win mark or the 8th title. Now I'm hoping that Merc cant get Vettel til 2012 then he maybe back for 2 years. clap.gif

If he is driving next year wild horses wont stop me from going to a race. Even if I have to walk there!

Oh I'm rambling again.
Sausage
Bracing for epic for sure smoking.gif
robracer
QUOTE (metz @ Dec 18 2009, 19:52) *
I believe the "neck" story is bullsh!t.

Schumi wants to see how fast the car is before he commits.

They could check the neck today.

They are waiting for the car tests at Adu Dhabi, Jan 6-7.


I believe that Schumi tested an F2007, not an F2009, at Mugello in August to see whether his neck had healed so he could race for the rest of the 2009 season in place of Massa. His neck wasn't fully healed therefore he could not race.

His neck should be healed now, so he should be able to race in 2010, and the test in the GP2 car next month in Abu Dhabi or Bahrain will be a similar test to the one in August, to check his neck is strong enough to cope.

I doesn't matter to him too much whether the car is competitive or not, he just wants to race at the highest level again.
RedBaron
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 18 2009, 22:34) *
I doesn't matter to him too much whether the car is competitive or not, he just wants to race at the highest level again.



Oh it does matter. This isn't an also ran, this is Michael Schumacher.
JarnoA
Best of luck to MS. IMHO, he will do to MS fans what Mansell did to me when he was too fat to fit in a McLaren.

Of course, he could do a Lauda and come back and win the WDC.

For F1 fans, it will be great. For MS fans, it could be either fantastic, or akin to watching a hero go down with parkinsons.

Either way, for me, bring it on. smile.gif
robracer
QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 18 2009, 22:40) *
Oh it does matter. This isn't an also ran, this is Michael Schumacher.


He wanted to race the Ferrari this year when he knew it wasn't competitive enough, and he was extremely upset when he couldn't race because of his neck. This shows that it doesn't matter that much to me.

It certainly doesn't matter as much as people, like you, say on here whether the car is competitive or not, he will race this year whether the car is top or whether the car is midfield.
RedBaron
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 18 2009, 22:46) *
He wanted to race the Ferrari this year when he knew it wasn't competitive enough, and he was extremely upset when he couldn't race because of his neck. This shows that it doesn't matter that much to me.

It certainly doesn't matter as much as people, like you, say on here whether the car is competitive or not, he will race this year whether the car is top or whether the car is midfield.


People like me say he won't accept being an also ran, if you think he would you are greatly mistaken. Have you forgotten who this is? 7x World Champion. Of course he isn't saying give me the best car (he isn't saying anything in fact, your opinion and my opinion is mere speculation), but you'd be foolish to think he'd want to be sat in a car such as last seasons BMW.
Anomnader
A person as competitive as MS who was driven to win at all costs, isn't going to come out of retirement, risk life and limb to trundle around, he wants to be up there fighting, if the Merc is slow it'll be a case of no thanks.
RedBaron
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Dec 18 2009, 22:55) *
A person as competitive as MS who was driven to win at all costs, isn't going to come out of retirement, risk life and limb to trundle around, he wants to be up there fighting, if the Merc is slow it'll be a case of no thanks.



Yeh, exactly. It's crazy to think Schumacher is thinking he'd be ok with this:

Bahrain, Sakhir 15th
Australia, Melbourne 12th
Malaysia, Sepang DNF
China, Shanghai 16th
Spain, Barcelona 12th
Monaco, Monte Carlo 9th
Turkey, Istanbul Park DNF
Canada, Montreal 11th
Europe, Valencia Street Circuit 12th
Great Britain, Silverstone 20th
Germany, Hockenheim 10th
Hungary, Hungaroring 15th
Belgium, Spa Francorchamps DNF
Italy, Monza 12th
Singapore, Singapore DNF
Japan, Suzuka 15th
Korea, Republic Of, Korean International Circuit 9th
Brazil, Interlagos 17th
United Arab Emirates, Abu Dhabi DNF
Wade
Luca, the "Old Schumacher" doesn't give a shit on what you say, neither do the "New Schumacher."

Let's hope this doesn't fall around and hope the car is good. Been hearing that Schumi cancelled his comeback NOT because of the neck, he was just afraid to suck, and to suck, his rep will be damaged.
undersquare
I think he'd settle for a team that'll probably be somewhere among the top 4, without knowing exactly where.

But however his comeback goes it will never end in the shameful way Mansell's did. Not that I'm a fan but he'd never turn up unfit and give up part way through a race. Never ever. His weakness was always the opposite of not trying.
JarnoA
QUOTE (undersquare @ Dec 18 2009, 23:04) *
I think he'd settle for a team that'll probably be somewhere among the top 4, without knowing exactly where.

But however his comeback goes it will never end in the shameful way Mansell's did. Not that I'm a fan but he'd never turn up unfit and give up part way through a race. Never ever. His weakness was always the opposite of not trying.


You never really followed Il Leone did you? Not trying???? This is the man who pushed his car over the line in Dallas in mad heat only to collapse after.

You can call Nigel a whinger if you like, but something you could NEVER say about Nigel, was that he "didn't try". Nigel was never as naturally talented as Senna, but his balls and "push to the end" nature put him in contention with him.
undersquare
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Dec 18 2009, 23:51) *
You never really followed Il Leone did you? Not trying???? This is the man who pushed his car over the line in Dallas in mad heat only to collapse after.

You can call Nigel a whinger if you like, but something you could NEVER say about Nigel, was that he "didn't try". Nigel was never as naturally talented as Senna, but his balls and "push to the end" nature put him in contention with him.


Mansell fought till he got to the top, then if he hadn't got the best car he gave up, in CART and in F1. I don't think he ever left a team on good terms. So yes I did follow him, was embarrassed by him, and got his book - "Driven to Whinge"" lol.gif
Massa_f1
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Dec 18 2009, 22:40) *
Best of luck to MS. IMHO, he will do to MS fans what Mansell did to me when he was too fat to fit in a McLaren.

Of course, he could do a Lauda and come back and win the WDC.

For F1 fans, it will be great. For MS fans, it could be either fantastic, or akin to watching a hero go down with parkinsons.

Either way, for me, bring it on. smile.gif



Do you really think he is going to be like Mansell i dont. If the car is a worthy top 5 finisher MS will have it on the podium and everyone knows it. Is he fat and out of shape erm no.
RedDawn
Luca's words are unfair and very surprising. He seems to think Michael was obliged to Ferrari for the rest of his life. Lets hope his neck passes the test.
Joe Tanto
So Luca, first we have two Kimis now we have two Schumis.... drunk.gif
Jones Foyer
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 18 2009, 19:26) *
BTW, Luca was on a roll indeed. Off topic, but: http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/...zelgaenger.html

About Alonso: "I told him: if you drive for us, because we want you, then you drive for a team, for a group, not only for yourself. If you want an own team, fantastic, then go and make one like John Surtees."

roflmao.gif


Surtees was well tired of the politics at Ferrari and it was a great bit of revenge to beat Ferrari, winning at Monza after he left the team in a Honda. If Michael does don a silver suit, he well could beat Ferrari on their home turf just like Big John in '67.
Mungo Fangio of the Year
QUOTE (Joe Tanto @ Dec 19 2009, 02:41) *
So Luca, first we have two Kimis now we have two Schumis.... drunk.gif



Luca should ease his intake of hallucinogenics.
Gardenia
not gonna happen, but if MS does move to MGP, i would support such a move
Spa One

I dont think Luca has a leg to stand on when it comes to being faithfull. It is widely regarded that he pressured Schumacher out in 2006, then Todt, then Kimi.

BiH
maybe just maybe schumacher announcement wont come until he does some 2010 testing in february since there is no way mercedes can guarantee him how competitive BG-02 will be.

and considering that there is other drivers willing to wait for that mercedes seat. mercedes is in no rush to sign anyone just yet.
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