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Simon Says
Lol, it's funny when speculation is likely to be became true. I knew it along, I should have put down a bet back then roflmao.gif

But he's going to do it for fun ofcourse. Or maybe he has insider information that Mercedes GP will be a top car again next season?
Craven Morehead
I hope he comes back, and I hope he kicks ass, giving hope to 40-something guys everywhere.
klover
Luca keeps cementing his reputation. First, he pushed MS out. Then he pushed his replacement out despite "we are Ferrrrrari, we always fulfil our contracts", now he is talking about new Michael-old Michael-traitor stuff. Very classy. Hope he reaps the results of his management policies in the next decade or so.
Speed_Racer
LdM and Ferrari are the real traitors.

so much for "Michael can drive for us for as long as he wishes"...
Mansell's 'tash
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Dec 18 2009, 22:40) *
Best of luck to MS. IMHO, he will do to MS fans what Mansell did to me when he was too fat to fit in a McLaren.

Of course, he could do a Lauda and come back and win the WDC.

For F1 fans, it will be great. For MS fans, it could be either fantastic, or akin to watching a hero go down with parkinsons.

Either way, for me, bring it on. smile.gif



if you were a Mansell fan, or one with an IQ of at least 100, you'd know he wasn't too fat for the Macca. (But he was a bit overweight during his williams comback.)
Mansell's 'tash
QUOTE (undersquare @ Dec 18 2009, 23:04) *
I think he'd settle for a team that'll probably be somewhere among the top 4, without knowing exactly where.

But however his comeback goes it will never end in the shameful way Mansell's did. Not that I'm a fan but he'd never turn up unfit and give up part way through a race. Never ever. His weakness was always the opposite of not trying.



how was Mansell's comeback shameful? He spent two seasons in CART and comes back and put's the Williams on the front row???
mistergagaX
If Rubens Barrichello can win Grand Prix races in 2009 at age 38 ( I think ) then Michael Schumacher , the most successful driver of ALL-TIME can do it to !

Heck even Damon Hill said the same thing : ''If I was able to win in a Jordan (1998) at age 38 then Michael can win at age 41 .''

to all the schumi-haters out there reading this post, pray hard , pray very hard that Ross Brawn and Mercees dont produce a winning car in 2010 becuase if they do Michael Schumacher is gonna be running circles around everybody, INCLUDING Ferrari !


Go Michael Schumacher ! Go Mercedes ! woo hooooooooooooo love.gif up.gif
mistergagaX
forgot to add Jacques Villeneuve's comments when he said Schumacher can pick-up where he left off in (2006) and start winning again EASILY.

JV : '' He's not just anybody, he's Michael Schumacher ! '' ...

MinT
QUOTE (Mansell's 'tash @ Dec 19 2009, 06:16) *
how was Mansell's comeback shameful? He spent two seasons in CART and comes back and put's the Williams on the front row???


My memory may be fading but didnt Mansell win his last ever GP ?
undersquare
QUOTE (Mansell's 'tash @ Dec 19 2009, 06:16) *
how was Mansell's comeback shameful? He spent two seasons in CART and comes back and put's the Williams on the front row???


1995 for McLaren. Second race he parked it after a few laps and that was that.
Galko877
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 19 2009, 00:46) *
He wanted to race the Ferrari this year when he knew it wasn't competitive enough, and he was extremely upset when he couldn't race because of his neck. This shows that it doesn't matter that much to me.

It certainly doesn't matter as much as people, like you, say on here whether the car is competitive or not, he will race this year whether the car is top or whether the car is midfield.



Yep. I think he is fully aware that there's no guarantee that the Merc will be as competitive as the Brawn was. In fact, many people predict them to be only third or fourth force behind McLaren, Ferrari and maybe Red Bull. They were already caught by other teams in the second half of 2009, and they won't have the DD advantage any more either.

I think teammate also doesn't matter for him now. He was ready to race in a third car at Ferrari against Alonso and Massa....

He is just a racer at heart (no matter if his bashers claim otherwise) and can't sit at home watching the other boys driving in circles while he can't. That's it.
BRK
Hey Luca di-the 'real' Michael Schumacher raced and won titles for the 'real' Ferrari,not one run by a pay driver that starts mucking about the moment he enters and his love affair with a team principal that deemed it necessary to get rid of 'real' champions to make way for an overhyped one. wave.gif


As for MS,I'm still in doubt as to how quick the Mercedes can be (or even how fit or ready Michael himself is)-returning as a temporary stand-in for an injured driver is one thing,starting afresh with a new team and car is quite another. However,if you had to choose one to take up the challenge,who better than Michael Schumacher?

I would absolutely love to see him back in the car and racing again-that's all I'm looking forward to,if it does indeed happen. As many others have pointed out,he-like Mansell before him or even JV-will be remembered for what he achieved with Benetton and Ferrari,before a comeback. smile.gif
undersquare
QUOTE (BRK @ Dec 19 2009, 09:21) *
As for MS,I'm still in doubt as to how quick the Mercedes can be (or even how fit or ready Michael himself is)-returning as a temporary stand-in for an injured driver is one thing,starting afresh with a new team and car is quite another. However,if you had to choose one to take up the challenge,who better than Michael Schumacher?

I would absolutely love to see him back in the car and racing again-that's all I'm looking forward to,if it does indeed happen. As many others have pointed out,he-like Mansell before him or even JV-will be remembered for what he achieved with Benetton and Ferrari,before a comeback. smile.gif


I think Prost is the closest precedent. That's the challenge he's taken up, 3 years out and 41 against 1 year out and 38, where we saw Prost slip from being one of the very best to about the same as Hill in his second year.

It'll be interesting to see. My feeling is he'll at least match Nico on pace, but may run out of steam towards the end of the season. Maintaining that intensity for so long is the hardest thing, and I think that's really why he retired in the first place.
RedBaron
QUOTE (undersquare @ Dec 19 2009, 09:54) *
Maintaining that intensity for so long is the hardest thing, and I think that's really why he retired in the first place.


Yeh. By the final race in 2006 he'd lost his edge, the Championship was all but over for him and he just didn't have it in him to fight. I think he finished something like 18th, 2 laps down and well off the pace.
Mansell's 'tash
QUOTE (undersquare @ Dec 19 2009, 09:01) *
1995 for McLaren. Second race he parked it after a few laps and that was that.


i was rather bluntly pointing out that a "comeback" would be after two seasons in a different championship, not after the christmas break. Eg, i would say "I fernando'S comback goes ok".

95 wasn't a comeback, it was just a jump to a new team after Frank chose DC.

The only factor really worth considering here would be Mansell's age and performance in his last race/s in a good car...

Amrl
Schumi could become the first 10-time world champion. Amazing.
ali.unal
QUOTE (Amrl @ Dec 19 2009, 14:06) *
Schumi could become the first 10-time world champion. Amazing.

Easy mate. I think he plans to get 100th win. That would be the target for him.
undersquare
QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 19 2009, 09:59) *
Yeh. By the final race in 2006 he'd lost his edge, the Championship was all but over for him and he just didn't have it in him to fight. I think he finished something like 18th, 2 laps down and well off the pace.


I assume you're being sarky, he was on for 3rd until Fisi tagged him. I didn't mean he couldn't do a good race, especially with an effort for his last race. But a season is more than the sum of 17 races. As we saw in the other direction when he came back fresh from his broken leg and utterly blew all his weary opponents away.
undersquare
QUOTE (Mansell's 'tash @ Dec 19 2009, 10:02) *
i was rather bluntly pointing out that a "comeback" would be after two seasons in a different championship, not after the christmas break. Eg, i would say "I fernando'S comback goes ok".

95 wasn't a comeback, it was just a jump to a new team after Frank chose DC.

The only factor really worth considering here would be Mansell's age and performance in his last race/s in a good car...


Fair point. I suppose even 94 wasn't a comeback in the Schumi sense. Anyway I don't think MS fans have anything mansellesque to worry about.
Tenmantaylor
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8420601.stm

Luca and Ferrari continue to get more eccentric and bitter in their press releases!
PassWind
QUOTE (Amrl @ Dec 19 2009, 11:06) *
Schumi could become the first 10-time world champion. Amazing.



Thats already been done Philip Douglas "Phil" Taylor, has so many World Championships, they have stopped counting. He gets to enjoy an ale while doing it, such is life as a professional darts player.



seahawk
The old man will get beaten by the young guns. Schumi never raced in a field with so many high quality drivers like Alonso and Hamilton and Vettel.
Sisplatin
QUOTE (seahawk @ Dec 19 2009, 10:39) *
The old man will get beaten by the young guns. Schumi never raced in a field with so many high quality drivers like Alonso and Hamilton and Vettel.

So what about racing with Prost, Senna, Mansell, Hill, JV etc etc drunk.gif

its infact the opposite, the young guns Alonso , Lewis and Vettel has not raced against High Quality Drivers!
Galko877
More from the lunch with Montezemolo: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/...s-presiden.html

QUOTE
Did Di Montezemolo not fully appreciate that he had reignited the flame that had been reluctantly turned down in 2006 as Kimi Raikkonen was moved in to Ferrari in Schumacher's place?


QUOTE
But listening to him talk about how quickly Schumacher had agreed to replace Massa in the summer of this year underlined why the speculation about a comeback never went away.

Schumacher won five titles for Ferrari under Di Montezemolo's stewardship of the team

"At the end of July, when I called him into my office, I said: 'Listen, I need you to replace Felipe," Di Montezemolo explained. "For five minutes, not 10 minutes, (it was) no, no, then yes!"

"'You can convince me very well,' he said. It was not the truth. He was ready to be convinced. That was a different story.


QUOTE
Di Montezemolo also revealed a little about the reasons for Schumacher's retirement in 2006.

"He told me that if he could arrive on the Saturday, not the Friday, just to make the qualification for the pole, then the race and then disappear, yes (that would be good)."

Given the current limit on testing, which could impact significantly on him ahead of the opening grand prix in Bahrain next March, you'd expect Schumacher to take a different view on time in the car during Friday's practice sessions should he return in 2010.


About Kimi:

QUOTE
Di Montezemolo and and team principal Stefano Domenicali, who was also at the lunch, referred in similar terms to Raikkonen and his disappointing performances in the second half of 2008.

On this occasion, Di Montezemolo said the Finn "went around fishing" while Massa was fighting it out with Hamilton for the championship!


Group B
QUOTE (________ @ Dec 19 2009, 10:43) *
So what about racing with Prost, Senna, Mansell, Hill, JV etc etc drunk.gif

Indeed: I fail to see that FA, SV and LH are better than the likes of AS, AP, NP, JVi, MH and JPM. The big potential difference is MS himself, being 41 rather than 25.
Galko877
People keep saying this BS about Michael never having quality opponents and him never being in a field with so many good drivers. Hülkenberg said the same the other day (which sounded a bit funny from his mouth as he has never done a race, yet he came across as a little know-it-all giving advices to Schumacher). But it was also funny because in fact, Michael did race against ALL of today's stars he listed, with the exception of Hamilton and Vettel. Even against them he raced (and beat them!) in other categories, such as karts, RoC etc. Of course, it's not the same as F1, different circumstances etc, still.

I agree with Group B. The big question mark is if Michael still has it at his age and if yes, how much. Of course, on paper the young guys should have the edge. That would be only natural. But it has nothing to do with "quality opponents". Michael has had his quality opponents. He spent 16 years in F1.....

Schuperman
QUOTE (seahawk @ Dec 19 2009, 18:39) *
The old man will get beaten by the young guns. Schumi never raced in a field with so many high quality drivers like Alonso and Hamilton and Vettel.


Alonso - Matched and beaten by Jarno Trulli 2004, Hamilton 2007. Looking forward how he would fare against Massa in Ferrari 2010.

Hamilton - Never in F1 history, anyone squandered 17 points lead with 2 races to go. Fortunately in 2008, he just barely managed to win his first WDC. Thanks to Glock. Still young. Time will tell.

Vettel - Shows a lot of potential. Still young. Time will tell.

Anyway, do you include Rosberg Jr in your high quality drivers? Assuming MS is fit to join Merc GP, Rosberg Jr. will be his best yardstick.
Frans
Luca is RIGHT, Schumacher is a TRAITOR, and the Tifosi who cheered for him will cheer against him.



Schumacher and his world of broken promises heh.... HAHAHahahahahaaa
Demo.
QUOTE (Group B @ Dec 19 2009, 10:53) *
Indeed: I fail to see that FA, SV and LH are better than the likes of AS, AP, NP, JVi, MH and JPM. The big potential difference is MS himself, being 41 rather than 25.


then you also fail to see the massive difference in the training and preparation that a modern driver goes through.
Heck 10 years ago drivers were more likely to be seen down a club after a race now they even take their personal trainers to the tracks with them.
Its a different world where drivers have far more demands put on them both in and out of the car.
Impossible to say who is better, but easy to say who is better prepaired, and as they say if you fail to prepair you had better prepair to fail.
pusko
QUOTE (Schuperman @ Dec 19 2009, 12:03) *
Alonso - Matched and beaten by Hamilton 2007. Looking forward how he would fare against Massa in Ferrari 2010.


I agree with a little difference.......he was beaten by Hamilton + McLAREN! If Ron stood behind Fernando, he would be champion that year....easily.
And I'm almost positive.....Massa will not be a happy man next year.
Galko877
QUOTE (Demo. @ Dec 19 2009, 14:06) *
then you also fail to see the massive difference in the training and preparation that a modern driver goes through.
Heck 10 years ago drivers were more likely to be seen down a club after a race now they even take their personal trainers to the tracks with them.
Its a different world where drivers have far more demands put on them both in and out of the car.
Impossible to say who is better, but easy to say who is better prepaired, and as they say if you fail to prepair you had better prepair to fail.



You act as if MS wouldn't know the importance of preparation. If anything he was the forerunner of the 'modern driver', so I guess it won't be a shock to him.

PS: And this is just a myth about "modern drivers": "Heck 10 years ago drivers were more likely to be seen down a club after a race now they even take their personal trainers to the tracks with them."

You would be surprised about the parties during race weekends..... Even Coulthard made a hint in his book that if the sponsors knew what some drivers are doing in their spare times, they would drop them like hot potatoes.
craftverk
QUOTE (pusko @ Dec 19 2009, 11:09) *
I agree with a little difference.......he was beaten by Hamilton + McLAREN! If Ron stood behind Fernando, he would be champion that year....easily.
And I'm almost positive.....Massa will not be a happy man next year.

Sorry, but Alonso should've never allowed Hamilton to take the lead in the championship. Alonso was the clear number one in early 2007, until Hamilton showed that he was capable of fighting for the championship.
Group B
QUOTE (Demo. @ Dec 19 2009, 11:06) *
then you also fail to see the massive difference in the training and preparation that a modern driver goes through.
Heck 10 years ago drivers were more likely to be seen down a club after a race now they even take their personal trainers to the tracks with them.
Its a different world where drivers have far more demands put on them both in and out of the car.
Impossible to say who is better, but easy to say who is better prepaired, and as they say if you fail to prepair you had better prepair to fail.

I'm not failing to see anything. The word you're grasping for is 'prepare', and as Galko has pointed out few, if any, drivers have ever been better prepared than MS. I would also point out that this is F1, not marathon running, and raw talent still goes a very, very long way.
dabrasco
QUOTE (Schuperman @ Dec 19 2009, 12:03) *
Alonso - Matched and beaten by Jarno Trulli 2004, Hamilton 2007. Looking forward how he would fare against Massa in Ferrari 2010.

Hamilton - Never in F1 history, anyone squandered 17 points lead with 2 races to go. Fortunately in 2008, he just barely managed to win his first WDC. Thanks to Glock. Still young. Time will tell.

Vettel - Shows a lot of potential. Still young. Time will tell.

Anyway, do you include Rosberg Jr in your high quality drivers? Assuming MS is fit to join Merc GP, Rosberg Jr. will be his best yardstick.


lol u deceive yourself if you dont think the field now is stronger than the one Schumie left in 06


The fact that new boy Lewis was able to match Alonso in his rookie year... same Alonso who beat Schumie to the title twice.... tells you atleast another "Alonso" level player has been added to the mix since Schumie was gone.... add in promising Vettel, add in the fact that people like Massa, Buttton etc are more experienced and are entering their peak years, throw in the fact that the cars are closely matched than ever... and you know Schumie wont have it easier at all


all the more credit to the guy, to attempt a comeback... Im sure he knows all of this... but frankly he hardly has anything to prove anymore
korzeniow
After di Montezemolo words for the first time I started to believe in Schumi comeback. That's why I did't folow this topic closely. So, could you explain to me: what are they waiting for? Why till January?
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Dec 19 2009, 14:00) *
but frankly he hardly has anything to prove anymore

that's the point
we see a living legend driving again. his number of wins/titles will not decrease....they can still increase though smile.gif
Galko877
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Dec 19 2009, 14:08) *
After di Montezemolo words for the first time I started to believe in Schumi comeback. That's why I did't folow this topic closely. So, could you explain to me: what are they waiting for? Why till January?



The test Schumi will do to see if his neck can take the G-forces.
salamin
QUOTE (ali.ünal @ Dec 19 2009, 11:07) *
Easy mate. I think he plans to get 100th win. That would be the target for him.


those 9 wins should just do the job for the next wdc in 2010
Nuvol
this is funny . you talk about 100 while most of young drivers can dream to win 30/40.
salamin
LdM interview
hansmann
Horrifying thought : If MS returns, Eddie Jordan will be all 'I-told-you-so' any chance he gets... ohwell.gif
timba
QUOTE (hansmann @ Dec 19 2009, 13:45) *
Horrifying thought : If MS returns, Eddie Jordan will be all 'I-told-you-so' any chance he gets... ohwell.gif


As will some posters on here. like crafterk.

wink.gif
robracer
QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 18 2009, 22:52) *
People like me say he won't accept being an also ran, if you think he would you are greatly mistaken. Have you forgotten who this is? 7x World Champion. Of course he isn't saying give me the best car (he isn't saying anything in fact, your opinion and my opinion is mere speculation), but you'd be foolish to think he'd want to be sat in a car such as last seasons BMW.


Of course he doesn't want to be an also ran, I never said he did, but he seemed pretty eager to drive the uncompetitive Ferrari F2009 this year after the incident in Hungary involving Massa. To me this shows that he wants to race again whether the car is dominent or just midfield like the Ferrari was, and he knows that the Mercedes probably won't be top notch like the Brawn was this year.

I know he will never want to drive for a team such as STR or Campos, all i'm saying is that it doesn't matter to him if the car is the best, but some people on here think he does want the absolute best car and will wait for the first test in February, but this is wrong.
korzeniow
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 19 2009, 13:09) *
The test Schumi will do to see if his neck can take the G-forces.


yes, but why wait so long for simple test? i don't get it
robracer
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Dec 19 2009, 14:37) *
yes, but why wait so long for simple test? i don't get it


Christmas, and the ban on F1 testing.
Jackmancer
Will these two race eachother in 2010? smile.gif

Mansell's 'tash
QUOTE (undersquare @ Dec 19 2009, 10:16) *
Fair point. I suppose even 94 wasn't a comeback in the Schumi sense. Anyway I don't think MS fans have anything mansellesque to worry about.



i see to Mansellesque possibilites (as a Shu fan):
1) A good car and he puts it to good use (i'm assuming his skills haven't diminished despite the long break from competition.
2) A bad car and the season is over before it starts; but i find it hard to see Braun/MB producing a car that bad
Arion
QUOTE (hansmann @ Dec 19 2009, 14:45) *
Horrifying thought : If MS returns, Eddie Jordan will be all 'I-told-you-so' any chance he gets... ohwell.gif


TBH, I can't believe he's right this time. He sounded he's totally making it up on the BBC interview blush.gif

Demo.
QUOTE (Group B @ Dec 19 2009, 11:46) *
I'm not failing to see anything. The word you're grasping for is 'prepare', and as Galko has pointed out few, if any, drivers have ever been better prepared than MS. I would also point out that this is F1, not marathon running, and raw talent still goes a very, very long way.


not only are you failing to see things you are seeing things that were not even in my post roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
and i still cannot see anything which said MS would not be preparing fully i only commented on the fact that 10 years ago drivers did no where near the same amount of prep that they do now.
Now where was the comment in that about MS not being ready?
BTW you really do show a lack of understanding when you try to say a marathon is harder than an F1 season.
I would put money on an F1 driver being able to finish a marathon (ask JB with his iron man races) and would put even more money on a marathon runner not being able to finish an F1 race.
stonebutter
Going to be a real shame if schumacher gets overshadowed in 2010. I think it will serve him right - he is retired, is old and has nothing left to prove and should give another driver a chance. He had his time in the spotlight. He will tarnish his legacy by doing this - I won't be too sad to see it happen.
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