The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > Why not Schumacher to Mercedes GP (formerly Brawn GP)? (merged)

RedBaron

Dec 21 2009, 18:20

QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Dec 21 2009, 17:09)

Not really. Shumi was extraordinary error-prone during his last years, and someone dared me a few years ago to find a dozen crucial mistakes Shumi made, and I came up with this list, which was made in May 2006:

Australia 2006: Put the car in the wall and retired.
China 2005: Collided with Albers on the formation lap and had to start the race from the pit.
China 2005: Spun in the race and retired.
Turkey 2005: Spun in qualifying and had to start the race from the back of the field.
Monaco 2005: Hit Coulthard from behind.
San Marino 2005: Went off-track in qualifying and had to start the race from 14th place.
Australia 2005: Collided with Heidfeld and retired.
Brazil 2004: Crashed in practice which resulted in an engine change.
Brazil 2004: Spun in the race and lost several positions.
China 2004: Spun in qualifying and had to start the race from the pit.
Italy 2004: Spun in the race on the first lap.
Monaco 2004: Collided with Montoya in the tunnel following a safety car.

I could make a list that long over that period for any of the top Formula 1 drivers, some much longer lists too.

Sisplatin

Dec 21 2009, 18:22

QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Dec 21 2009, 17:09)

Not really. Shumi was extraordinary error-prone during his last years, and someone dared me a few years ago to find a dozen crucial mistakes Shumi made, and I came up with this list, which was made in May 2006:

China 2005: Collided with Albers on the formation lap and had to start the race from the pit.

It was Albers who hit Schumy on the Reconnaissance lap not the formation lap!

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China 2005: Spun in the race and retired.

Coz his spare car was not upto his liking

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Monaco 2005: Hit Coulthard from behind.

how biased someone can get and blame Schumy for someone rotating in the middle of the track

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Italy 2004: Spun in the race on the first lap.

It was a wet track, and Schumy was on dry tyres and he spun

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Monaco 2004: Collided with Montoya in the tunnel following a safety car.

Montoya the problem creator and the crashers crashers ever in F1, caused the accident...if he had minded the cars in front and stayed were is supposed to stay.

Sisplatin

Dec 21 2009, 18:24

QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 21 2009, 18:20)

I could make a list that long over that period for any of the top Formula 1 drivers, some much longer lists too.

excatly if we made a list of JPM crashes it would take up a whole page in the BB

DOF_power

Dec 21 2009, 18:25

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 19:24)

LL Cool J, born 1968 http://content9.flixster.com/photo/31/68/77/3168779_tml.jpg
Some of the MS fans seem to have a hard on over his body which is nothing spectacular. Yet another myth in the list of slavish fawnings towards the Great One.

That's B*.
Schumacher raised the standards of fitness.
In F1 you need muscley muscles, you need streamlined muscles. LL Cool J would have suffered in F1 with that body.

Ruf

Dec 21 2009, 18:27

QUOTE (________ @ Dec 21 2009, 20:24)

excatly if we made a list of JPM crashes it would take up a whole page in the BB

Truth be told, Montoya usually managed to blow up his engine before he had the chance to crash into someone/something.

Sisplatin

Dec 21 2009, 18:32

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 17:24)

LL Cool J, born 1968 http://content9.flixster.com/photo/31/68/77/3168779_tml.jpg
Some of the MS fans seem to have a hard on over his body which is nothing spectacular. Yet another myth in the list of slavish fawnings towards the Great One.

this is not Body building competition, its F1 were you should be light weight with enough body muscle to control and sustain every activities and a very good neck muscle plus a very good Fine motor muscular function(which IMO is the most important)

P123

Dec 21 2009, 18:37

QUOTE (Ruf @ Dec 21 2009, 18:27)

Truth be told, Montoya usually managed to blow up his engine before he had the chance to crash into someone/something.

And yet in 2002 and 2003 his was the most reliable car after the bulletproof Ferrari of Schumacher........

Never let facts get in the way of a good bullshit!

Johny Bravo

Dec 21 2009, 18:39

QUOTE (Ruf @ Dec 21 2009, 19:27)

Truth be told, Montoya usually managed to blow up his engine before he had the chance to crash into someone/something.

Well, JPM finally got the series that suits his abilities best at NASCAR.

Johny Bravo

Dec 21 2009, 18:42

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 18:24)

LL Cool J, born 1968 http://content9.flixster.com/photo/31/68/77/3168779_tml.jpg
Some of the MS fans seem to have a hard on over his body which is nothing spectacular. Yet another myth in the list of slavish fawnings towards the Great One.

LL Cool J in the Mercedes GP seat, now!

P123

Dec 21 2009, 18:42

QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Dec 21 2009, 18:19)

The weakness that broke Michael's dream of 18 consecutive victories this year was Michael's own arrogance. It was a lesson he did not learn at Monza in 2000 when he caused some frightening moments when playing about behind the Safety Car, warming up his brakes. On that occasion it was others who suffered and after the race Michael admitted his mistake.

"After the Safety Car switches off the lights, the leader dictates the gap of the Safety Car," he said. I was accelerating/braking, accelerating/braking, to warm up my brakes. I think I made a mistake the way I did it, because when I started braking again all the cars behind started braking, but probably saw it a little bit too late. I'm sorry for whoever suffered from that. I thought that everybody knew what I was going to do."

Fast forward nearly four years and he same thing happens again and this time the response is different: hours after the race the Ferrari team issued a press statement which quoted Schumacher was saying that "the situation is that the race leader was knocked out of the race after being hit by a backmarker."

These were not the words of a great champion. Nor was it right that the team was up in Race Control arguing that Juan Pablo Montoya was a dirty driver and had taken Michael out of the race deliberately. Where was Montoya supposed to go when Michael caught him out accelerating and braking in the tunnel? Montoya tried to avoid the Ferrari by diving for the right side of the track where there was (initially at least) a gap. Montoya was trying to stop but there was just no time and he ended up with the right hand wheels of the Williams rubbing down the barrier and his left front wheel rubbing along the sidepod of the Ferrari. The Williams slowed but as it did so the left front wheel tagged Michael's right rear and the Ferrari was turned sharply to the left and smacked into the barriers.

http://grandprix.com/gpe/rr719.html

Not Schumacher's wisest move! Tunnel, blind bend, locked brakes, changed line........ Montoya did all he could to avoid him.

P123

Dec 21 2009, 18:44

QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 21 2009, 18:39)

Well, JPM finally got the series that suits his abilities best at NASCAR.

Really? He did better in F1. Perhaps F1 is easier.

Ruf

Dec 21 2009, 18:45

QUOTE (P123 @ Dec 21 2009, 20:37)

And yet in 2002 and 2003 his was the most reliable car after the bulletproof Ferrari of Schumacher........

Never let facts get in the way of a good bullshit!

Yes. He learned to drive meanwhile. He was an "also ran" too unlike the 2001 9 pole positions spectacular season. But this thread is not about Montoya, let's try to keep it on topic.

klover

Dec 21 2009, 18:46

QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 21 2009, 18:27)

Please enlighten us, how and when exactly did Schumacher find the F2009 difficult to drive. I'm so eager to know.

Please ask Chris Balfe. It was discussed either in this or in a separate thread not long ago.

Johny Bravo

Dec 21 2009, 18:48

QUOTE (P123 @ Dec 21 2009, 19:44)

Really? He did better in F1. Perhaps F1 is easier.

Or his abilities fade at an even worse grade than Schumachers as he's aging.

VresiBerba

Dec 21 2009, 18:50

QUOTE (MiPe @ Dec 21 2009, 21:14)

I am not sure what you know, but since this accident occurred in total seclusion of the tunnel, I am therefore somewhat doubtful, that you have all facts to make here definite statements.

I would lie if I said I have ALL the facts, but if I don't have them, no one does. But I have spent a few moments of my life watching the video, and although I can agree it's not clear as day, you can, clearly actually, see that it's in fact Shumi that hits Montoya, not the other way around.

klover

Dec 21 2009, 18:50

QUOTE (DOF_power @ Dec 21 2009, 19:25)

That's B*.
Schumacher raised the standards of fitness.
In F1 you need muscley muscles, you need streamlined muscles. LL Cool J would have suffered in F1 with that body.

OK, he may have raised the standards of fitness although that is debatable, wasn't Senna super fit as well? Please define what streamlined muscle means. The body of MS in that picture is nothing to write home about it, especially for a man who supposedly set standards. He looks like the average guy in the gym and I am not talking about professional athletes in their 40s, they look a LOT better. Typically some fanboys are fawning over MS showing some skin.

VresiBerba

Dec 21 2009, 18:51

QUOTE (RedBaron @ Dec 21 2009, 21:20)

I could make a list that long over that period for any of the top Formula 1 drivers, some much longer lists too.

I know.

VresiBerba

Dec 21 2009, 19:04

QUOTE (________ @ Dec 21 2009, 21:22)

It was Albers who hit Schumy on the Reconnaissance lap not the formation lap!

If Albers hit Shumi, Albers was going in reverse. I've seen the video, so, just don't.

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how biased someone can get and blame Schumy for someone rotating in the middle of the track

Rotating!?! Shumi hit a stationary car, knocking off his front wing and ruining his race in the process. No one else hit any other car there, save for Shumi. His mistake, and his alone.

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Montoya the problem creator and the crashers crashers ever in F1, caused the accident...if he had minded the cars in front and stayed were is supposed to stay.

All the more reason to stay out of trouble then, and not try to play mind-games with a Montoya-the-problem-creator-and-the-crashers-crashers-ever-in-F1. I mean, who the fukc does that.

Sisplatin

Dec 21 2009, 19:05

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 18:50)

OK, he may have raised the standards of fitness although that is debatable, wasn't Senna super fit as well? Please define what streamlined muscle means. The body of MS in that picture is nothing to write home about it, especially for a man who supposedly set standards. He looks like the average guy in the gym and I am not talking about professional athletes in their 40s, they look a LOT better. Typically some fanboys are fawning over MS showing some skin.

Not!

craftverk

Dec 21 2009, 19:07

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 18:50)

OK, he may have raised the standards of fitness although that is debatable, wasn't Senna super fit as well? Please define what streamlined muscle means. The body of MS in that picture is nothing to write home about it, especially for a man who supposedly set standards. He looks like the average guy in the gym and I am not talking about professional athletes in their 40s, they look a LOT better. Typically some fanboys are fawning over MS showing some skin.

there was a picture of Ayrton with his nephew Bruno, even Schumacher having let himself go a bit after his retirement looked more muscular

Anomnader

Dec 21 2009, 19:10

what has muscule got to do with fitness? Nothing.

DOF_power

Dec 21 2009, 19:12

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 20:50)

OK, he may have raised the standards of fitness although that is debatable, wasn't Senna super fit as well? Please define what streamlined muscle means. The body of MS in that picture is nothing to write home about it, especially for a man who supposedly set standards. He looks like the average guy in the gym and I am not talking about professional athletes in their 40s, they look a LOT better. Typically some fanboys are fawning over MS showing some skin.

I'm no fanboy.
Streamlined and in F1/Moto GP sort of way.
I remember reading about a Moto GP driver who has undergone a operation to cut out part of his muscles because they were too developed/muscley and he suffered during the race due as an effect of the high G-forces he was subjected too.
Kovalainen also mentioned on BBC I believe that F1 drivers need streamlined muscles, strong but but not boxer/muscley like.

craftverk

Dec 21 2009, 19:13

QUOTE (Anomnader @ Dec 21 2009, 19:10)

what has muscule got to do with fitness? Nothing.

are you sure about that?

DOF_power

Dec 21 2009, 19:14

Why not Schumacher to Mercedes GP ?

Because if old drivers carry on driving and they won't drop like flies as was the case in the good ol' days, young drivers won't F1 have seats (unless they pay) and/or competitive equipment.

Fatalities in the old days were a way to unclog the ladder system and bring new blood to the sport.

Anomnader

Dec 21 2009, 19:16

QUOTE (craftverk @ Dec 21 2009, 19:13)

are you sure about that?

yes, a muscular man be fit, but it doesn't mean a normal person with average musculer structure isn't a fitter person, he very well can be, having muscules proves nothing about there fitness.

VresiBerba

Dec 21 2009, 19:18

QUOTE (DOF_power @ Dec 21 2009, 21:25)

Schumacher raised the standards of fitness.

That's just superiorly nonsense, everyone here knows that Kimi is the gene-master of fitness, HSJ have explained it in great detail. This is just surreal

metz

Dec 21 2009, 19:19

QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Dec 21 2009, 14:18)

That's just superiorly nonsense, everyone here knows that Kimi is the gene-master of fitness, HSJ have explained it in great detail. This is just surreal

Is this a hamburger VS. ice cream debate?

klover

Dec 21 2009, 19:27

QUOTE (craftverk @ Dec 21 2009, 19:07)

there was a picture of Ayrton with his nephew Bruno, even Schumacher having let himself go a bit after his retirement looked more muscular

I thought it was all about the neck, suddenly it seems to be a different case

Talking about pictures, I do remember seeing pictures of Alonso, Kimi, one of the Japanese drivers in recent years, cannot remember which one, and they all looked "fitter" as in leaner in those pictures than the supposedly fittest driver of them all. DC used to prep for the season with some SAS routine in the Highlands, so please MS fanboys, if you wanna play the fit card and all you can show for it is some rather unflattering picture of your idol

Ruf

Dec 21 2009, 19:27

QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Dec 21 2009, 21:18)

That's just superiorly nonsense, everyone here knows that Kimi is the gene-master of fitness, HSJ have explained it in great detail. This is just surreal

Say what?

SeanValen

Dec 21 2009, 19:42

QUOTE (mistergagaX @ Dec 21 2009, 05:22)

To Mr. Sean Vallen ...

you write some of the best Schumacher posts I have ever read ! Great logic you got , great great great !!!

Keep up the excellent work !

Forza Michael Schumacher! Forza Sean Vallen !

Thanks, it's appreciated.

It's been a long professional posting career

, 2001-to 2010., Schumacher makes everyone talk just that bit more, lets hope he really is back, it'll be great for the forums, I needed a new challenge as well, my brother brought a mercedes and work boss brought a mercedes a few months ago, and now Schumacher going to Mercedes, I guess it was a sign, suddenly Mercedes is cooler then ever.

potmotr

Dec 21 2009, 19:55

QUOTE (Ruf @ Dec 21 2009, 19:27)

Say what?

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Kimi getting trashed like this.

I mean, can all of you honestly say you've never been in that state once in a while?

Problem for Kimi is that he's a public figure so his boozing gets papped and ends up in the papers.

I'm sure Schumacher has been equally shitfaced over the years but does it behind closed doors.

Nathan

Dec 21 2009, 20:02

QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Dec 21 2009, 11:18)

That's just superiorly nonsense, everyone here knows that Kimi is the gene-master of fitness, HSJ have explained it in great detail. This is just surreal

Well since Michael came first it is entirely plausible to say he raised the bar. Then you can say since that Kimi has raised it further, if that is the case.

Ruf

Dec 21 2009, 20:04

QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 21 2009, 21:55)

I mean, can all of you honestly say you've never been in that state once in a while?

I can't. Iin fact, I'm still hangover. It's been a long weekend, you know.

However I don't claim that I'm most fit human been either....

craftverk

Dec 21 2009, 20:15

QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 21 2009, 19:55)

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Kimi getting trashed like this.

I mean, can all of you honestly say you've never been in that state once in a while?

I'm sure Schumacher has been equally shitfaced over the years but does it behind closed doors.

I can say I haven't

well you're in no position to say that

Anomnader

Dec 21 2009, 20:18

I've seen pictures of MS hammered and I've also seen pictures of him smoking.

BMW_F1

Dec 21 2009, 20:18

QUOTE (Anomnader @ Dec 22 2009, 01:18)

I've seen pictures of MS hammered and I've also seen pictures of him smoking.

share please..

SeanValen

Dec 21 2009, 20:21

I think most fans should remember Schumacher after Suzuka 2003, he was drunk, stole a fork lift truck, dropped some wardrobes or something. Pictures out there, quite well documented.

Ruf

Dec 21 2009, 20:27

QUOTE (SeanValen @ Dec 21 2009, 22:21)

I think most fans should remember Schumacher after Suzuka 2003, he was drunk, stole a fork lift truck, dropped some wardrobes or something. Pictures out there, quite well documented.

Teheee... and a certain party in 1999, I think, which attracted Luca di's certain comments

And if my memory doesn't fail me completely there are photos of a certain Mr Haug who was wearing his pants as a hat too. Some evil people say that it was Schumi who did that

By the way, that's no big secret; Schumi does enjoy a good cigar occasionally.

PS: Keyword is occasionally

Anomnader

Dec 21 2009, 20:33

Indeed Ruf and I'm not bothered about any of it, MS was usually doing it when celebrating, just pointing out to Craftverk (and seemingly BMW) that it was pretty common knowledge or so I thought.

VresiBerba

Dec 21 2009, 20:40

QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 21 2009, 22:55)

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Kimi getting trashed like this.

I guess you didn't see the above omitted picture of Kimi falling asleep in the gutter, hugging an inflatable dolphin.

Raelene

Dec 21 2009, 20:40

QUOTE (potmotr @ Dec 22 2009, 08:55)

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Kimi getting trashed like this.

I mean, can all of you honestly say you've never been in that state once in a while?

I can honestly say that I have NEVER been in that state - easy when you don't drink...

VresiBerba

Dec 21 2009, 20:47

QUOTE (SeanValen @ Dec 21 2009, 23:21)

I think most fans should remember Schumacher after Suzuka 2003, he was drunk, stole a fork lift truck, dropped some wardrobes or something. Pictures out there, quite well documented.

Don't forget that he tossed a refrigerator out of a window together with his brother. Stole a golf cart and drove around causing all kind of trouble. To bad my guy is a teetotaller, or you guys could make fun of him to.

alecc

Dec 21 2009, 20:50

QUOTE (fosters35 @ Nov 17 2009, 16:56)

German driver to German team and back with Ross Brawn.

Michael Schumacher will reportedly no longer be a direct advisor to Ferrari's Formula 1 team next year either.

Would certainly make for an interesting 2010.

Ok, I can only dream

If Schumy make the medical tests, and he will be driver at Mercedes, then well, fosters35 deserves a "Golden membership" or something like this on this forum for sure

potmotr

Dec 21 2009, 20:56

QUOTE (craftverk @ Dec 21 2009, 20:15)

well you're in no position to say that

I don't follow...

I mean, sure, I've been drunk more times than I care to remember.

Goes with the anglo-saxon culture.*

Not hugely proud of it, but there have been some fun times along the way and no one has ever been hurt by my antics.

I presume the same is true for Kimi.

And probably Schumi.

So yeah, a bit of drunken fun is no big deal.

I've even been known to have a drunken kip, like Kimi.

*I realise there will be forum goers who don't drink, and that's cool too!

Willow Rosenberg

Dec 21 2009, 20:58

QUOTE (klover @ Dec 21 2009, 19:27)

I thought it was all about the neck, suddenly it seems to be a different case

Talking about pictures, I do remember seeing pictures of Alonso, Kimi, one of the Japanese drivers in recent years, cannot remember which one, and they all looked "fitter" as in leaner in those pictures than the supposedly fittest driver of them all. DC used to prep for the season with some SAS routine in the Highlands, so please MS fanboys, if you wanna play the fit card and all you can show for it is some rather unflattering picture of your idol

MS was in F1 before DC.

The July Plot

Dec 21 2009, 21:00

QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Dec 21 2009, 21:47)

Don't forget that he tossed a refrigerator out of a window together with his brother. Stole a golf cart and drove around causing all kind of trouble. To bad my guy is a teetotaller, or you guys could make fun of him to.

Is there not a video of that?
Back to the topic in hand, after petronas announcing their deal today..just a few days after saying they where pulling out from sponsoring teams has me convinced that Schumacher will be driving a Merc next season.

P123

Dec 21 2009, 21:22

QUOTE (Ruf @ Dec 21 2009, 18:45)

Yes. He learned to drive meanwhile. He was an "also ran" too unlike the 2001 9 pole positions spectacular season. But this thread is not about Montoya, let's try to keep it on topic.

Agreed, lets keep it on topic. Because you seem to know f*ck all about Montoya.

P123

Dec 21 2009, 21:26

QUOTE (craftverk @ Dec 21 2009, 19:07)

there was a picture of Ayrton with his nephew Bruno, even Schumacher having let himself go a bit after his retirement looked more muscular

There was a season when Senna was ill during the off-season and unable to train.

Besides, muscularity does not equal fitness. For example, it wouldn't suit an F1 driver to have the build of an Olympic sprinter.

Frans

Dec 21 2009, 21:34

This is becoming a girly-thread now isn't? ....

Next we will see is that damned L'Oreal advert, "because I'm worth it" ..... ? AAAAAaarghw.

SeanValen

Dec 21 2009, 21:44

QUOTE (Frans @ Dec 21 2009, 21:34)

This is becoming a girly-thread now isn't? ....

Next we will see is that damned L'Oreal advert, "because I'm worth it" ..... ? AAAAAaarghw.

I wanna see Michael Schumacher lined up alongside Roger Federer, Thierry Henry and Tiger Woods in a new Gillette Advert, Schumi was missing, now's he's back to complete the great champions advert, come on Frans help sponsor the advert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!