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robracer
It's very sad that F1 feels it needs to bring back the legend that is Michael Schumacher. To me it's telling the young drivers that they are not good enough. down.gif
WebBerK
QUOTE (Wade @ Dec 7 2009, 09:11) *
The 40-year-old seven time world champion's father Rolf told the Cologne newspaper Express: "Michael is training every day like crazy. He's not doing that for nothing."

Hmmmmmmm....

Maybe Michael is training like crazy bcs... he is crazy confused.gif
Hacklerf
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 7 2009, 15:16) *
It's very sad that F1 feels it needs to bring back the legend that is Michael Schumacher. To me it's telling the young drivers that they are not good enough. down.gif



Theyre not, Schumi would still beat the whole feild
Sakae
As a fan of Michael, I have split feelings about his rumored return. On one side he doesn't has to do it; he has nothing to prove to me anymore. I am very much grateful to him for all those years letting me to come back to TV screen every second weekend with excitement, yet today on the other side, how can I refuse to see him back? I would not expect miracles, but just having him again on the track would be a joy in my heart. His call, and nothing will change in my admiration of this extraordinary man.

Galko877
QUOTE (MiPe @ Dec 7 2009, 18:15) *
As a fan of Michael, I have split feelings about his rumored return. On one side he doesn't has to do it; he has nothing to prove to me anymore. I am very much grateful to him for all those years letting me to come back to TV screen every second weekend with excitement, yet today on the other side, how can I refuse to see him back? I would not expect miracles, but just having him again on the track would be a joy in my heart. His call, and nothing will change in my admiration of this extraordinary man.


+1

When he wanted to come back in the summer I thought he was crazy. But right now I have ambivalent feelings on this. I too don't expect miracles but I don't want him to make a fool of himself. On the other hand seeing him in a Mercedes. Him teaming up with his old buddies, Ross Brawn and Norbert Haug - very tempting. I wouldn't want him to come back with Ferrari, because what for? He's been there, done that. But Mercedes+Schumacher - it somehow has a special flavour to me.
Arska
I'm not a fan of his at all, and I hated many of the things he did on track, but I'm still hoping that he makes a comeback. up.gif
klover
QUOTE (Hacklerf @ Dec 7 2009, 16:47) *
Theyre not, Schumi would still beat the whole feild

Oh the blind belief he can walk on water roflmao.gif
Given a massive advantage and a number 2 teammate he can of course but let's not get carried away.
Collective
QUOTE (Hacklerf @ Dec 7 2009, 10:47) *
Theyre not, Schumi would still beat the whole feild


I still remember those "He could score points with a Minardi" talks back in the days... lol.
robracer
QUOTE (Hacklerf @ Dec 7 2009, 15:47) *
Theyre not, Schumi would still beat the whole feild


roflmao.gif He hasn't raced since 2006, and it was clear that year that he isn't what he used to be.

He would do well to beat Rosberg let alone win races and the WDC imo. wave.gif

Having said that I would love to see him come back and race against Hamilton and Vettel but it won't happen.
Orin
QUOTE (Collective @ Dec 7 2009, 16:33) *
I still remember those "He could score points with a Minardi" talks back in the days... lol.


Those were the days. lol.gif

One of the field has already beaten Schumacher in what most people regard as evenly matched machinery. There are at least two drivers in the current field who are a match for him.
CaptainJackSparrow
Guys, they are waiting on the Renault situation to clear, Haug even said today that they will now wait into next year if need be, kinda coincidential given Bernie just said Renault could take into next year to resolve. Sometimes the simplest explanation is correct.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/fo...umacher-rumours
rolf123
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 7 2009, 17:34) *
roflmao.gif He hasn't raced since 2006, and it was clear that year that he isn't what he used to be.

He would do well to beat Rosberg let alone win races and the WDC imo. wave.gif

Having said that I would love to see him come back and race against Hamilton and Vettel but it won't happen.


Don't forget the first slick tyre test when he p1ssed all over the other drivers. The guy will never lose his superhero talents behind the wheel. I want to see him do it for a 3rd time and make Mercedes amazing.
robracer
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Dec 7 2009, 17:20) *
Don't forget the first slick tyre test when he p1ssed all over the other drivers. The guy will never lose his superhero talents behind the wheel. I want to see him do it for a 3rd time and make Mercedes amazing.


confused.gif
klover
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Dec 7 2009, 17:20) *
Don't forget the first slick tyre test when he p1ssed all over the other drivers. The guy will never lose his superhero talents behind the wheel. I want to see him do it for a 3rd time and make Mercedes amazing.

I take it you knew the exact testing programs of all other drivers and teams which allowed you to make that valid conclusion he pissed all over them? Wishful thinking perhaps?
le chat noir
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Dec 7 2009, 14:06) *
Norbert Haug.

The 'can't rule anyone out' line was essentailly one of sarcasm, treating a predictable media question with worthless answer, imo. Basically, they've not ruled you out either, that's all that answer is saying. Why not deny it then? Well, it suits Mercedes PR to be associated with the rumour. Why hasn't MS ruled in out? Well, he's not been quoted to be thinking about it so why should he rule it out publically.


He's been quoted in a public press conference to say 'who knows' on a direct question. Well, we know he's not coming back in a Ferrari, and it will be no team other than Mercedes if next year then. Or Massa's seat in 2011 perhaps. But an ambassador to Ferrari should not be letting himself be used to promote Mercedes. That's no good. Unless there is a consideration and he can't make the denial as yet. It's not the same as Trulli or Heidfeld. Schumi is under contract, of a different sort perhaps, but a contract nonetheless. So that's very odd, if you're right in your certainties.

The question of why he'd want to return is coming up again too.

For me, it would be:
For fun
To see if he can still be competitive when he feels it
To maybe have a punt at the WDC
To maybe appear to make another team the Ferrari he created before
To maybe blitz most of the field again and assert the legend - akin to his Malaysia return in 99
To show it was the car in 06, not the man.
To show it is the man in 10 not the machine - Schumi unshackled from Ferrari can beat Alonso shackled to one.
To have a more fruitful commercial tie up once the helmet is hung up for good - with Mercedes and the Middle East who are building his towers.
To be able to build two or three more towers?!
For fun!

The denialists are all very serious on this thread. Those that are open to the possibility seem to be having much more fun. I'm for fun. It's why I like the sport. It's not all whips and chains anymore.
Red 5
Good post black cat up.gif
Just about sums the situation up perfectly.
nateshan
QUOTE (CaptainJackSparrow @ Dec 7 2009, 21:44) *
Guys, they are waiting on the Renault situation to clear, Haug even said today that they will now wait into next year if need be, kinda coincidential given Bernie just said Renault could take into next year to resolve. Sometimes the simplest explanation is correct.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/fo...umacher-rumours

MS is waiting to see the performance of the new merc car before he decides?
Chezrome
It would be fun if Schumacher comes back. But please (the same with Alonso to Ferrari, Button to McLaren, Kubica to Renault, Villeneuve to Lotus) when the unexpected does happen and 2010 is over... When Button appears to be better than Hamilton, or Alonso less than Massa, when Schumacher is spanked by Rosberg, etcetera, etcetera or other things that would drive the fans of respective drivers crazy)


NO EXCUSES! NO EXCUSES! NO EXCUSES! NO EXCUSES!
salamin
QUOTE (Chezrome @ Dec 7 2009, 19:37) *
when the unexpected does happen and 2010 is over... When Button appears to be better than Hamilton, or Alonso less than Massa, when Schumacher is spanked by Rosberg, etcetera, etcetera or other things that would drive the fans of respective drivers crazy)


NO EXCUSES! NO EXCUSES! NO EXCUSES! NO EXCUSES!


good luck with that
Chezrome
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 7 2009, 19:42) *
good luck with that


Perhaps we can start an internet civil movement. The two of us start. Everytime in 2010 when someones starts to whine: 'Yeah but Schumacher has to get used to... or Alonso has to get used to... Or Hamilton is not used to..., we will post only these four words. No excuses. No excuses.
fastdriver
QUOTE (plastik2k9 @ Dec 7 2009, 14:23) *
Just saw Schumacher in Tesco buying F1 2009 on Nintendo Wii.. guys I think it's happening.

roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
Raelene
I was excited about this return for Massa this year – I;m not so sure that joining Brawn – which has been overtaken IMO by Redbull and McLaren – would be the right thing to do
Rinehart
QUOTE (KiloWatt @ Dec 7 2009, 14:44) *
I would imagine that Ferrari aren't so thrilled about their boy being linked to a rival. Perhaps if he cares for the company, he could do it for them. It would be SO easy for Ferrari or Scumacher to stop these damaging rumours, but they aren't. Hell, if my favourite champion is consantly linked with another team, giving them publicity the likes of which the world has never seen, I'd be sure as hell to put an end to it asap.

I wasn't a believer either. But I'm starting to think that, at the very least, he's considering it. Doesn't mean he'll take it though.


In what way are baseless rumours damaging to Ferrari? Are you not going to buy a Ferrari now because of this rumour?!
Rinehart
QUOTE (le chat noir @ Dec 7 2009, 18:13) *
He's been quoted in a public press conference to say 'who knows' on a direct question. Well, we know he's not coming back in a Ferrari, and it will be no team other than Mercedes if next year then. Or Massa's seat in 2011 perhaps. But an ambassador to Ferrari should not be letting himself be used to promote Mercedes. That's no good. Unless there is a consideration and he can't make the denial as yet. It's not the same as Trulli or Heidfeld. Schumi is under contract, of a different sort perhaps, but a contract nonetheless. So that's very odd, if you're right in your certainties.

The question of why he'd want to return is coming up again too.

For me, it would be:
For fun
To see if he can still be competitive when he feels it
To maybe have a punt at the WDC
To maybe appear to make another team the Ferrari he created before
To maybe blitz most of the field again and assert the legend - akin to his Malaysia return in 99
To show it was the car in 06, not the man.
To show it is the man in 10 not the machine - Schumi unshackled from Ferrari can beat Alonso shackled to one.
To have a more fruitful commercial tie up once the helmet is hung up for good - with Mercedes and the Middle East who are building his towers.
To be able to build two or three more towers?!
For fun!

The denialists are all very serious on this thread. Those that are open to the possibility seem to be having much more fun. I'm for fun. It's why I like the sport. It's not all whips and chains anymore.


I guess we all believe or not each rumour on the basis of our own sense of merit, funded by all else we know, or think we know! For example, I believed Spygate from the first moment, (I was a conspiracy theorist on the subject after the race in 08) but didn't think a bit of rallying or whatever it was would get in the way of the Kimi-McLaren deal. On this one, I'd love it to be true, but its just too Hollywood for my money - and I've confirmed it in my mind by reading key the quotes from people like Haug and Weber as a bit of a piss-take to the media in all honesty. Could be wrong, mind!
Szoelloe
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Dec 7 2009, 20:50) *
In what way are baseless rumours damaging to Ferrari? Are you not going to buy a Ferrari now because of this rumour?!



it is anything but baseless, but it is a rumour
SeanValen
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 7 2009, 16:23) *
+1

When he wanted to come back in the summer I thought he was crazy. But right now I have ambivalent feelings on this. I too don't expect miracles but I don't want him to make a fool of himself. On the other hand seeing him in a Mercedes. Him teaming up with his old buddies, Ross Brawn and Norbert Haug - very tempting. I wouldn't want him to come back with Ferrari, because what for? He's been there, done that. But Mercedes+Schumacher - it somehow has a special flavour to me.



My brother just brought a mercedes a month ago, a OMEN! I'm liking some of their cars, liked the fact they are away from Ron Dennis NOW, the reason that kept Schumi away from Mclaren most likely.

I always love ferrari, always will, and michael and ferrari will always be a great combo, but life is life, it's short, f1 records and history don't mean nothing when the world ends, Schumacher from blue at Benetton, Red at Ferrari and some silver and black at Mercedes-where he started off, he did say life is a cycle, I would enjoy it, but equally would hope if he doesn't come back, then Kimi at least needs to be at Mercedes, and me thinks, with Kimi confirmed for rallying, and Button running from Brawn, maybe Schumacher really is coming back, even Bernie isn't sure, this speculation about a liiving legend is pure honour to be apart of on the forums, no one created discussion like Schumacher does, we probabley have written thousands of books worth of content about him this decade alone on the forums. Every bit of emotion, from joy, anger, hate, love, laughter, pride, you name it has been explored through Schumacher times on the forums, seen some great debating from forumers of the past, present and maybe future. To be lived up up.gif


I still miss Senna, but we have Schumacher still, were lucky, and Bernie knows and the world knows there is no else like him, ferrari president was right, Schumi is from another world. The speculation alone is a honour to be apart of.

up.gif
salamin
^ true that
KiloWatt
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Dec 7 2009, 21:50) *
In what way are baseless rumours damaging to Ferrari? Are you not going to buy a Ferrari now because of this rumour?!


Implicitly. The fact is, one of Ferrari's treasures are linked with another team. Now, he's not giving ferrari publicity, but giving a rival publicity. Schumacher is under contract to ferrari. Now there are rumours about him going to another team (it doesn't need to be true, people will believe what they want. And if they want to believe he's moving to merc, they will). How does that make ferrari look? For someone that believes this rumour, it makes ferrari look like fools. First, they loose their a lot of their key staff. Think Todt and Brawn. Their top driver retires. They CLEARLY aren't the team they were 3 - 4 years ago. They haven't won a WDC in 2 years. And now, shock and horror, their main man is leaving them for a rival (in the public's perception)!!!! It kinda looks like they're unravelling, doesn't it? And no company would like to be perceived by the public as in the process of unravelling.

Michael schumacher leaving Ferrari is just diabolical PR. People will ask why. And no matter what they are told, they will still believe what they want in situations like this. Especiallly after Brawn left and Todt left. It just makes them look bad.
lafitek
QUOTE (le chat noir @ Dec 7 2009, 19:13) *
He's been quoted in a public press conference to say 'who knows' on a direct question. Well, we know he's not coming back in a Ferrari, and it will be no team other than Mercedes if next year then. Or Massa's seat in 2011 perhaps. But an ambassador to Ferrari should not be letting himself be used to promote Mercedes. That's no good. Unless there is a consideration and he can't make the denial as yet. It's not the same as Trulli or Heidfeld. Schumi is under contract, of a different sort perhaps, but a contract nonetheless. So that's very odd, if you're right in your certainties.

The question of why he'd want to return is coming up again too.

For me, it would be:
For fun
To see if he can still be competitive when he feels it
To maybe have a punt at the WDC
To maybe appear to make another team the Ferrari he created before
To maybe blitz most of the field again and assert the legend - akin to his Malaysia return in 99
To show it was the car in 06, not the man.
To show it is the man in 10 not the machine - Schumi unshackled from Ferrari can beat Alonso shackled to one.
To have a more fruitful commercial tie up once the helmet is hung up for good - with Mercedes and the Middle East who are building his towers.
To be able to build two or three more towers?!
For fun!

The denialists are all very serious on this thread. Those that are open to the possibility seem to be having much more fun. I'm for fun. It's why I like the sport. It's not all whips and chains anymore.


refuelin ban will be a problem for schumi!
91-93 .... in 38 races......2 wins and 0 pole position ....poore statistic for so big name ;)
David1976
QUOTE (CaptainJackSparrow @ Dec 7 2009, 16:44) *
Guys, they are waiting on the Renault situation to clear, Haug even said today that they will now wait into next year if need be, kinda coincidential given Bernie just said Renault could take into next year to resolve. Sometimes the simplest explanation is correct.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport/fo...umacher-rumours


Agree. I would love Schuey but fear it will be Kubica instead. How boring...
Galko877
The question is if Schumacher is ready to cut ties with Ferrari. Because once he goes to Mercedes he will not be retained as Ferrari ambassador and PR man any more and of course he won't test Ferrari road cars either. You cannot do PR for Ferrari and Mercedes at the same time.

I think the road car development is a job he enjoys, so I don't know if he is ready to give it up (and the good money from Ferrari, of course) just to give it another try with Mercedes. If he gives it up all just for one more year in F1, he is really itching to race again.
Levike
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 8 2009, 10:33) *
The question is if Schumacher is ready to cut ties with Ferrari. Because once he goes to Mercedes he will not be retained as Ferrari ambassador and PR man any more and of course he won't test Ferrari road cars either. You cannot do PR for Ferrari and Mercedes at the same time.

I think the road car development is a job he enjoys, so I don't know if he is ready to give it up (and the good money from Ferrari, of course) just to give it another try with Mercedes. If he gives it up all just for one more year in F1, he is really itching to race again.


At least he will be free to drive every type of cars at the next ROC... smile.gif
Juan Kerr
I'll be sick as a dog if Kubica gets that drive, he maybe very mentally resilient but he really isn't anything special. He has no flair or charisma at all and just makes up the numbers.
Rinehart
QUOTE (Juan Kerr @ Dec 8 2009, 09:56) *
I'll be sick as a dog if Kubica gets that drive, he maybe very mentally resilient but he really isn't anything special. He has no flair or charisma at all and just makes up the numbers.


Sounds like a perfect fit for Mercedes then.
Frans
Schumacher does hear his homeland calling.........................................


...............................does he return the answer? ..............................
MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 8 2009, 10:14) *
refuelin ban will be a problem for schumi!
91-93 .... in 38 races......2 wins and 0 pole position ....poore statistic for so big name ;)

what did refuel ban have to do with 0 poles in that time? smile.gif
they were qualyfing on fumes, with no parc ferme
One
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 8 2009, 10:33) *
The question is if Schumacher is ready to cut ties with Ferrari.



And fail to perform ending up in silly side job, in comparison to the great after champion-life he has now.

can anybody guarantee him a greater life after, in case if, he fails to perform?
Owen
QUOTE (Frans @ Dec 8 2009, 11:27) *
Schumacher does hear his homeland calling.........................................


...............................does he return the answer? ..............................

No, he hangs up and continues to roll around in his Ferrari cash pile.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (klover @ Dec 6 2009, 08:05) *
An idiot cannot bet on Kimi


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Szoelloe
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Dec 8 2009, 14:51) *
I disagree. I am now accepting bets via PayPal for Kimi Raikkonen to win the WDC at 100-1. Contact me via PM for info.



roflmao.gif
klover
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Dec 8 2009, 14:51) *
I disagree. I am now accepting bets via PayPal for Kimi Raikkonen to win the WDC at 100-1. Contact me via PM for info.

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Verry funny... not wave.gif
robracer
Mercedes to confirm second driver within two weeks.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/12/08/...thin-two-weeks/

QUOTE
I understand that there is a lot of interest lately in who will be racing alongside Nico Rosberg with us. But we need some more time. I can promise you though that we will announce his team-mate before Chrismas. At the moment we examine all of our options and that just needs a lot of time.
Arion
so they've given Schumacher a deadline to make decision....what's taking him so long to decide anyway, if he has hesitations, he shouldn't do it.
fastdriver
QUOTE (KiloWatt @ Dec 8 2009, 08:43) *
Implicitly. The fact is, one of Ferrari's treasures are linked with another team. Now, he's not giving ferrari publicity, but giving a rival publicity. Schumacher is under contract to ferrari. Now there are rumours about him going to another team (it doesn't need to be true, people will believe what they want. And if they want to believe he's moving to merc, they will). How does that make ferrari look? For someone that believes this rumour, it makes ferrari look like fools. First, they loose their a lot of their key staff. Think Todt and Brawn. Their top driver retires. They CLEARLY aren't the team they were 3 - 4 years ago. They haven't won a WDC in 2 years. And now, shock and horror, their main man is leaving them for a rival (in the public's perception)!!!! It kinda looks like they're unravelling, doesn't it? And no company would like to be perceived by the public as in the process of unravelling.

Michael schumacher leaving Ferrari is just diabolical PR. People will ask why. And no matter what they are told, they will still believe what they want in situations like this. Especiallly after Brawn left and Todt left. It just makes them look bad.

up.gif
Think of how many people bought tickets this year when there was word of MS returning. I can only imagine how many people are on the verge of buying [b]Merc[\b]handise at the very idea that MS will be in that car....
Spa95
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 8 2009, 15:22) *
Mercedes to confirm second driver within two weeks.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/12/08/...thin-two-weeks/


Haug said he can't promise an announcement before Christmas. The article has also been edited now:

QUOTE
I can't promise you though that we will announce his team-mate before Chrismas.
Group B
QUOTE (Arion @ Dec 8 2009, 14:56) *
so they've given Schumacher a deadline to make decision....what's taking him so long to decide anyway, if he has hesitations, he shouldn't do it.

Well surely neither MS nor Merc would dream of signing on the dotted line until some test laps have been turned?! stoned.gif
klover
QUOTE (Arion @ Dec 8 2009, 14:56) *
so they've given Schumacher a deadline to make decision....what's taking him so long to decide anyway, if he has hesitations, he shouldn't do it.

I think they are trying to convince Kimi, JV or Mansell, MS has Felipe to protect from Alonso so it's a no go. roflmao.gif
giacomo
Schumacher to Mercedes would be fun, but I don't see it in the cards after the disastrous wannabe comeback of this summer.

By the way it's high time for Heidfeld to get a good car. Finally.
SeanValen
This is interesting if the quote was real:

http://www.mibz.com/3218-rumors-saying-mic...t-stronger.html

"Even the seven times Formula 1 champion’s father adds fuel to the fire speaking for Cologne newspaper Express: “Michael is training every day like crazy. He’s not doing that for nothing.”


But Bernie's quote is real:

QUOTE
“I would personally doubt that he’s going to make a comeback but, having said that, it’s maybe getting a bit stronger than a rumour,” the F1 chief executive stated for Times.



BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!


ROSBERG SPEAKS OF SCHUMI TEAMATE POSSIBILITY FINALLY!!!!



http://www.crunchsports.com/category/Motor...e-200912080028/

"It would be a very interesting challenge, and a super lineup," Rosberg, who has already been named as Mercedes' first driver for the 2010 season, said.




klover
You are getting your hopes too high. Didn't Kimi mention something like that in reference to MS' botched return this summer? At the end, the challenge was nowhere to be seen and wisely stayed at home.

If MS couldn't find it in himself to just drive for fun in a few races in 2009 when no one would have judged him too harshly even if he put a Badoer-like performance, why would he risk his reputation over a whole season?
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