Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Why not Schumacher to Mercedes GP (formerly Brawn GP)? (merged)
The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > Forums > Racing Comments
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36
BRK
Don't think he's going to make a comeback. Although it would be totally awesome if he did,of course.
robracer
Schumacher will drive for Mercedes in 2010

One year deal worth 3.5 million Euros. He will become long-term ambassador for Mercedes after.

QUOTE
The signature is just a formality. Michael feels fit and healthy. The latest (medical) tests were entirely positive. He can’t wait for the return and working with Ross Brawn again
salamin
there are already 2 topics on this
Group B
yawnface.gif yawnface.gif yawnface.gif

'reportedly' 'sources'

Talking Point
Nothing official yet then. Somehow, however strong these 'sources' claim to be, I won't believe it until there's an official announcement. wave.gif
Wade
Can I be a "source" too? If so,

I got sources, and they said to me that an announcement will be made within the next 48 hours.

Some website should quote me, and spread it in the interwebz.

Rumors, gossips, rumors, chit chat, blah. Let's just wait for the OFFICIAL statement, not from sources, but from MS his self, and Merc themselves, or MS's people themselves.
Muz Bee
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Dec 13 2009, 23:20) *
If he were partnered with Alonso or Hamilton, it might be a different story, but Rosberg? No chance.

You know something that McLaren and Brawn (Mercedes) teams don't? Both were fairly keen (we are led to believe) to secure his services and arguably rate him at least level with Button. Given that he has not had any benchmark against established top drivers how can anyone be sure enough to write him off as second rate? If he gets trounced by Heidfeld next season we will know for sure. Please don't dress your opinions as established facts please.
salamin
Button wants to beat schumacher

the included video is worth checking out
gio66
QUOTE (Biggles Flies Undone @ Dec 13 2009, 01:40) *
"It seems that Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo is not so keen. He has been saying privately that Schumacher, who has a three year contract with the Scuderia, is going nowhere"


I think Schumacher could sing

Like a king without a castle
Like a queen without a throne
I'm an early morning lover
And I must be moving on

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
I'll never look behind me
My troubles will be few.
gio66
QUOTE (J2NH @ Dec 13 2009, 07:02) *
Without an explanation it is difficult to know what is meant by "technical direction". I don't really get the arrogant part, if technical direction means tailoring the car to his driving style, if he can get it why is that arrogant?


I try to translate it better.
Please, forgive me. I just tried to learn English through the Pink Floyd's lyrycs 30 years ago... blush.gif

"The status is that of the first guide, definition, however, uncertain because the top teams always have identical cars and offer the same treatment to both drivers. But Schumi wants to have the last word on the technical direction to take. And on that Ross Brawn, the man who was next in the conquest of the 7 WDC , will have no objection, on the contrary."
Sammyosammy
Personally I just can see what possible good it brings to MS signing with Merc? The ambassador of reds jumping into a silver car.

He risks every single piece of his glory if he does that. For sure wouldn´t be Mr. Ferrari any more but is he, team and the car able to change him as a Mr. Merc? I doubt it. It would need that much..

I really don´t care if he comes back or not but if I were in his pants..hmm maybe I wouldn´t..

Galko877
There's a lot of risk involved for him, alright. I don't think he doesn't realize that. But maybe he is not interested in sitting on his past glory at home, when in his heart he wants to race? What is past glory good for anyway, if you are unhappy in the present? Maybe he is not so obsessed with and concerned about reputation as some of us, armchair experts. I think he does now what his heart tells him to do, not what his mind. If that's what he wants to do, that's what makes him happy, why not give a try? Just for fear of something like so called "reputation"?

Worst case: he fails royally. But I don't think that would annul his past achievements. Why would it? That was then, on his peak. Now is now, when he is 41 and has been 3 years out of it. In worst case we would get to know he has past his prime and he is not his old self at the age of 41. So what? And I don't think he is under the illusion it will be easy.
Frans
Well well ... Schumacher isn't catagorized yet, archived yet and he isn't in Mint Condition eigther ...

roflmao.gif
Arion
His legacy is secured, it won't matter even if he's 0.5s off speed. But I just find it hard to believe he wants to come back just "for fun", he must believe he still has it, he's still fast enough to win.

MikeTekRacing
QUOTE (Ferrim @ Dec 12 2009, 23:45) *
BTW he will be the oldest driver to attend a race since Mansell in '95, I think.

and probably the best driver to attend a race since Schumacher in Brazil 06 smile.gif
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (Frans @ Dec 13 2009, 13:55) *
Well well ... Schumacher isn't catagorized yet, archived yet and he isn't in Mint Condition eigther ...

roflmao.gif


But You are a joke already.
V8 Fireworks
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 13 2009, 10:56) *
Schumacher will drive for Mercedes in 2010

One year deal worth 3.5 million Euros. He will become long-term ambassador for Mercedes after.



WHY would anyone want to take VIPs around in a Mercedes gullwing Luxo-barge when they could take them around in a Ferrari - a real sportscar that corners properly. confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif

Is not Schumi already on MORE than 3.5m to be Ferrari consultant!


If Schumi wants to race, why did not McLaren sign the German? Hamilton v Schumi would send Autosport boards into meltdown eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif
Group B
QUOTE (V8 Fireworks @ Dec 13 2009, 13:25) *
WHY would anyone want to take VIPs around in a Mercedes gullwing Luxo-barge when they could take them around in a Ferrari - a real sportscar that corners properly. confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif

Is not Schumi already on MORE than 3.5m to be Ferrari consultant!


If Schumi wants to race, why did not McLaren sign the German? Hamilton v Schumi would send Autosport boards into meltdown eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif

Merc don't just make 'luxo-barges'.
gd2
I waited for years for Schumacher to leave F1. It was only once he left that he became at all likelable and he's still got that smug attitude. Thankfully the World's F1 drivers voted well and gave thier vote to Senna as the greatest F1 driver of all time. Now if he went to Mclaren with equal status to Lewis that would be another matter!
jack_rabbit
QUOTE
James Allen Reply:
December 13th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I never said it won’t happen, only that I couldn’t see it. I still feel that way – if he does the deal I’m not sure it will be for the right reasons.
valachus
QUOTE (V8 Fireworks @ Dec 13 2009, 16:25) *
If Schumi wants to race, why did not McLaren sign the German? Hamilton v Schumi would send Autosport boards into meltdown eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif


Looks like next year we'll see two Brits at McLaren, two Latins at Ferrari and two Germans at Mercedes. My paranoid part of the mind says it's too much of a coincidence. Bernie at work, by any chance?

Galko877
So what are "right reasons" for James?
salamin
james allen is officially an arsehat
robracer
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 13 2009, 14:13) *
james allen is officially an arsehat


confused.gif why?
salamin
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 13 2009, 15:14) *
confused.gif why?


as a journalist he is "supposed" to be independent, but it's obvious he has something against the comeback of schu, and is looking for cheap excuses now
whatto999
gio66, tnx
saudoso
Let's just hope Michael's return at Mercedes turns out differently than Michael's return at the Wizards.
Claudius
I actually agree with Allen on this one.

The "wrong reasons" could mean a lot of things but IMO it seems like a kind of a midlife-crisis for MS.
Or that he really is a adrenaline junkie and can't walk away from the thrill of F1.

I still think he shouldn't make a comeback but if he does best of luck...

gio66
QUOTE (whatto999 @ Dec 13 2009, 15:52) *
gio66, tnx


up.gif
Clatter
QUOTE (salamin @ Dec 13 2009, 14:21) *
as a journalist he is "supposed" to be independent, but it's obvious he has something against the comeback of schu, and is looking for cheap excuses now


Where is that rule written down? There is no reason why a journalist cannot have a personnal opinion.
SeanValen
For some reason, I had a hunch today would have some sort of stronger energy for the Schumi mercedes speculation, nothing official yet, but if my previous posts in this thread are rewarded with a official Schumacher announcement soon, 2010 will definately be happy new year turbo boost schuey edition, but even if he doesn't come back, I'm still okay with it, but this is still very exciting speculation, all the other drivers are invisable while this Schuey talk goes on, it's sensational stuff.


up.gif up.gif up.gif
pUs
QUOTE (SeanValen @ Dec 13 2009, 17:25) *
For some reason, I had a hunch today would have some sort of stronger energy for the Schumi mercedes speculation, nothing official yet, but if my previous posts in this thread are rewarded with a official Schumacher announcement soon, 2010 will definately be happy new year turbo boost schuey edition, but even if he doesn't come back, I'm still okay with it, but this is still very exciting speculation, all the other drivers are invisable while this Schuey talk goes on, it's sensational stuff.


up.gif up.gif up.gif


Very much agreed on all points, nothing to add, EXCELLENT up.gif up.gif up.gif up.gif smoking.gif
craftverk
If it was confirmed though, it doesn't garantee anything on track, it'll just create alot of hype.
salamin
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 13 2009, 16:58) *
Where is that rule written down? There is no reason why a journalist cannot have a personnal opinion.


yeah, well it's still disgusting
klover
QUOTE (craftverk @ Dec 13 2009, 17:47) *
If it was confirmed though, it doesn't garantee anything on track, it'll just create alot of hype.

Exactly, his comeback this summer generated a lot of hype and some ridiculous expectations. Imagine what the prospect of a full season can do.
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (klover @ Dec 13 2009, 18:01) *
Exactly, his comeback this summer generated a lot of hype and some ridiculous expectations. Imagine what the prospect of a full season can do.


So MS shouldn't make a comeback because it'd generate hype.

OK but let's get rid off of Alonso and Hamilton too, their hype is just unbearable...

Fortunately Kimi's gone already, so his hype won't affect us much next year.wink.gif
Galko877
I'm wondering if the tifosi will consider Michael a "traitor" now - booing him in Monza and all that.
as65p
QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 13 2009, 18:46) *
So MS shouldn't make a comeback because it'd generate hype.

OK but let's get rid off of Alonso and Hamilton too, their hype is just unbearable...

Fortunately Kimi's gone already, so his hype won't affect us much next year.;)


If they actually DO something, who cares for the hype.

It's "hype-only", and then nothing to show for that sucks.
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 13 2009, 18:57) *
I'm wondering if the tifosi will consider Michael a "traitor" now - booing him in Monza and all that.


I reckon that from a tifoso point of view [Michael going to] Mercedes would be still the lesser bad than switching to Mclaren - the archrival. Plus he follows Brawn so there'd be at least 2 guys who should be hard to hate after all they brought to the Scuderia.

I believe there were hardly any hostile feelings towards Ross this year from the red camp and that should be the same for MS.
kismet
MS should make a comeback because I'm bored senseless here and, much as I don't really care for the guy, at least he'd add some much needed interest to the proceedings. And clearly it's all about me me me so this is a very important point that shouldn't be overlooked.
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (as65p @ Dec 13 2009, 19:02) *
If they actually DO something, who cares for the hype.

It's "hype-only", and then nothing to show for that sucks.


Well then we should all want the same: MS to do something. And I believe if he gets a car, he will.
as65p
QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 13 2009, 19:09) *
Well then we should all want the same: MS to do something. And I believe if he gets a car, he will.


Definitely.

Interesting phrasing still: you seem to think it's a matter of him getting the car? I think it's a matter of the team getting him! Even in the worst case, performance-wise, the publicity will be worth every penny they pay him.

Anomnader
QUOTE (SeanValen @ Dec 13 2009, 16:25) *
For some reason, I had a hunch today would have some sort of stronger energy for the Schumi mercedes speculation, nothing official yet, but if my previous posts in this thread are rewarded with a official Schumacher announcement soon, 2010 will definately be happy new year turbo boost schuey edition, but even if he doesn't come back, I'm still okay with it, but this is still very exciting speculation, all the other drivers are invisable while this Schuey talk goes on, it's sensational stuff.


up.gif up.gif up.gif



They're invisible because they've off on holiday, sensational, going a bit far.
Anssi
Regarding Schumacher to Mercedes GP.

In the news in the Finnish media today about Heikki having been signed for Lotus, it was said Nick Heidfeld was also negotiating with Lotus still on Friday (that's like 2 days ago) but that he would have wanted to continue the talks with Mercedes GP. I guess he would not be continuing the talks with Mercedes GP if they would have both of their race drivers already decided.

That's what the reporters are saying and there were no quotes from the persons in question. The article is this: http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtm...2009/12/1016679


So, maybe there really is nothing decided about Schumacher to MB GP yet, or Nick Heidfeld is taking a huge gamble and hoping Michael won't pass the medical checks, or that nevertheless his deal won't become reality. Or even perhaps Nick is the #1 candidate for the seat and the talk about Schumacher is not very serious - who knows. But there has to be a reason why Nick would want to continue talking to MB GP about a deal for 2010 and that reason cannot be that Michael would have already been signed.
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (as65p @ Dec 13 2009, 19:15) *
Definitely.

Interesting phrasing still: you seem to think it's a matter of him getting the car? I think it's a matter of the team getting him! Even in the worst case, performance-wise, the publicity will be worth every penny they pay him.


What I meant with "if he gets a car, he will [do something]" : if he gets (happens, succeeds) to drive a competitive car he will drive his ass off.

The phrasing wasn't intended the way You interpreted. Though I agree with Your interpretation.wink.gif IF Michael Schumacher announces in due time that he wants to return, he will get a car. And NOT only because the hype (media attention) he generates for his teams and sponsors.
lafitek
QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 13 2009, 20:30) *
What I meant with "if he gets a car, he will [do something]" : if he gets (happens, succeeds) to drive a competitive car he will drive his ass off.

The phrasing wasn't intended the way You interpreted. Though I agree with Your interpretation.;) IF Michael Schumacher announces in due time that he wants to return, he will get a car. And NOT only because the hype (media attention) he generates for his teams and sponsors.

and he will be beaten by rosberg for sure smile.gif
Johny Bravo
QUOTE (lafitek @ Dec 13 2009, 21:17) *
and he will be beaten by rosberg for sure smile.gif


I'm all for seeing it.
klover
QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 13 2009, 17:46) *
So MS shouldn't make a comeback because it'd generate hype.

OK but let's get rid off of Alonso and Hamilton too, their hype is just unbearable...

Fortunately Kimi's gone already, so his hype won't affect us much next year.;)

No, he should so that you and the others who expected miracles from him this summer before he even turned a wheel (an he never did as he wisely gave up after realizing he would be made to look like a fool) can enjoy a full 2010 of misery.
Menace
Come on Schumacher, make the comeback!

Then I can root for you and Vettel come next year. Of course, I will also hope Heikki can turn his career around with a drive at Lotus.

SaenValen, Excellent! smoking.gif smoking.gif smoking.gif clap.gif smoking.gif
Xaus
QUOTE (Johny Bravo @ Dec 13 2009, 13:07) *
I reckon that from a tifoso point of view [Michael going to] Mercedes would be still the lesser bad than switching to Mclaren - the archrival. Plus he follows Brawn so there'd be at least 2 guys who should be hard to hate after all they brought to the Scuderia.

I believe there were hardly any hostile feelings towards Ross this year from the red camp and that should be the same for MS.

Yes, but then again Ross wasn't the public #1 face during Ferrari's dominant years.

I'd love to know what some of the casual Italian fans think of it all.

This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2012 Invision Power Services, Inc.